Why does /pol/ suddenly hate libertarians?
>>70243485
>>70243485
We don't hate libertarians per se; we hate the libertine SJW douchebags who call themselves libertarians because they want weed, abortions, and poopdick while still being edgy contrarians
>>70243547
>Jon "lets give illegals free healthcare" McAfee.
>libertarian.
The fucking Libertarian Party has set the whole movement back by decades, I swear.
>>70243485
Libertarianism is just the other side of Jewish materialist cancer.
>>70243485
>suddenly
Nigger you must have just got here.
just because most libertarians are successful businessmen doesn't make them jews
>>70243485
reddit found us
Because /pol/ is retarded
>>70244139
As opposed to?
>>70244285
Socialismo, comrade.
>>70243485
No.
I'm unapologetically libertarian.
Get rid of welfare then granting Illegals citizenship doesn't matter.
>>70244285
I'm assuming he's arguing for a kind of cultural conservatism that places a nations history, identity and cultural unity above any economic values.
It doesn't mean a natural conservative couldn't believe in Libertarian or Socialist economics but that they could only support them in the improvement of the attitudes of a nations people.
For example a natural conservative may support a free market when culturally the nation is not obsessed with consumerism but in an age of consumerism most natural conservatives wouldn't.
>>70243638
This
Also the support for open borders was the nail in the coffin for libertards. I used to like them but their social policies are too liberal and most libertarians are retarded. Once you learn more about politics and people you realize that people are too shitty to behave properly in a libertarian society. Now it's muh gay rights and muh weed but if we let those people have what they want it will become muh pedo rights and muh cocaine. The slippery slope is real no matter what the sticky says. 30 years ago gay marriage was seen as disgusting by most but now it is commonly accepted because we legalized gay sex. The capitalist and pro gun stance of libertarians puts them above full on liberals but paleoconservatism has that plus right wing social ideas (nationalism, no gays). If you are libertarian over paleoconservative you might as well be a SJW.
>>70243485
because we dont wanna be cucked by immigrants and women for the rest of our lives OP. most of us work hard for our money while the women/immigrant parasites just simply drain our countries because they're utterly useless, retarded and jesus christ they suck at driving. fuck em all OP
>>70243485
We are not a hivemind. Anytime anyone says /pol/ believes anything, they are just making shit up.
>>70244285
Ethnic nationalism.
I am one and I don't. I don't hate any political ideology because I understand that people think differently from me. I only want to be left alone, and to be honest most stuff doesn't affect me out in the sticks.
>>70244784
>Also the support for open borders was the nail in the coffin for libertards.
Actually most libertarians are fine with closed borders and some are even proponents of an isolationist policy.
You should probably read up on Libertarianism before you start to criticize it.
>and most libertarians are retarded
Yeah, gonna need a source for that one.
>30 years ago gay marriage was seen as disgusting by most but now it is commonly accepted because we legalized gay sex.
We legalized gay marriage, not gay sex. People have been having gay sex since time incarnate. Libertarians are alright with homosexual marriage, because they believe it's not up to them to craft their personal beliefs into a law that might otherwise infringe on someone else's rights; more specifically what goes on between two consenting adults. I personally disagree with the homosexual lifestyle, but I don't intend on campaigning against what two adults mutually want for each other.
But it's okay, you can impose your self-righteousness on other people while extolling whatever bullshit values you deem to not only be correct, but above the values of your fellow man. Because I'll just cast the vote that counters yours.
>>70244885
>We are not a hivemind
Yes you are. There's obviously a predominant ideology here: contrarianism. That means racism, nationalism, etc. Pol is a fucking hivemind.
Why be a libertarian when you can embrace the love of totalitarianism but be on the right side
>>70243485
weev told us it's not cool anymore and to join him in the 3rd position
we must secure the existence of our people, anon
im a social conservative. i think that the sexual revolution and all the culture around it (polygamy, homosexuality, transgenderism, pick up culture, race-mixing, hook up culture, sex-hobbyism, abortion etc) has arrived at a massive social cost.
there isnt real damage in the specific acts themselves; but by now they are widespread and celebrated enough that they are challenging the stability of monogamous and familial relationships.
this country is more and more passing off responsibility of carrying on values from what has traditionally been families to the state. an insolvent, bureaucratic nightmare.
how long will liberty last once the familial structure is completely erradicated? you really trust the gov of mostly non whites to carry on western values?
They are the stupidest people on this board and support immigration.
>>70244478
You think they'll start voting conservative if the handouts stop? They'll just try harder to get libtards in office.
>>70244478
>Get rid of welfare then granting Illegals citizenship doesn't matter.
>that delusion
Nah, kikes will still pine for cheap, uninsured workers.
>>70246136
no which is why we need a limited government. There are too many damn programs.
>>70243485
I read Moldbug.
>>70243547
I guess I hate libertarians now
>>70243485
libertarians are autistic and the ideology itself is worthless because it ranges from "I want a flat tax" to "all hail our corporate overlords" to state of nature war of all against all nonsense.
/pol/ hates them because they are the political equivalent of vegans and think a persons actions exist in a vaccum and don't affect society and others.
>>70243485
Because there's a refugee crises that is a very dangerous threat to the West and Libertarians fundamentally advocate open boarders.
For a lot of things libertarians are fine, but open boarders are too dangerous to allow.
>>70243485
DUDE
/pol/ is authoritarian.. claims to be redpilled but is full of betas and likes to follow who they perceive as more alpha than them
libertarians are smarter than that
>>70243485
Didn't realize I was a hedghog.
>>70243485
DUDE WEED
DUDE ABORTION
DUDE FUCK MORALITY
PEOPLE DON'T NEED CIVIL LAWS TO TELL THEM RIGHT AND WRONG
>>70246136
>this country is more and more passing off responsibility of carrying on values from what has traditionally been families to the state. an insolvent, bureaucratic nightmare.
Are you arguing for or against libertarianism, here.
>>70243485
Because their ideology is pretty retarded desu. And most libertarians i've met are economically illiterate; they're only soft cuckservatives.
>>70243485
Libertarianism is being co-opted as a tool for open borders, "free trade" globalist faggots.
>>70243485
Libertarians are just cuckservatives under a different name. They are passive and wont fight the incredibly hostile leftists
>>70243485
They were always reviled as degenerate scum. They were just better than leftists and neocons.
Now Nationalism is back and ready to go again we don't need it.
>>70246500
Authoritarianism is red pilled. anything else is relativism. reminder that shit like right to bear arms and free speech is authoritarian.
>>70246471
Agreed. This is a deal breaker for me
>>70246516
whats it like being a child?
>>70246582
They pretend to take "economics 101" and claim if you don't agree with their nonsense you need to take the class.
>>70246459
>they are the political equivalent of vegans
Leaf speaks 100% truth
>>70246889
>we were afraid of the government being too authoritarian so we had to write an an authoritarian amendment to prevent us from getting too authoritarian
get cucked, canada
>>70243547
>Illegal immigrants
>No criminal record
What a dumbass
>>70243547
the third one I guess I could work with if we still secure the border
McAfee is still a complete savage whose life is basically Heart of Darkness though
>>70243485
>liberals are for personal freedom, non interventionist foreign policy, tolerance of others peaceful choices, and civil liberties
>>70243485
>left doesn't have government regulated morality as one of the beliefs
>>70247260
It historically had much less gov't regulated morality.. the clintons brought "the left" much more right, and along with it started wanting to regulate morality
>>70247197
They would have to be recorded as illegal immigrants, which is currently a crime.
Why do people think that's okay?
>>70243485
I like the agreements you have with Democrats and Republicans, but the entire middle portion, the portion libertarians actually had to come up with themselves rather than just steal from the other parties, is horseshit tbqhwyf.
>>70247417
>It historically had much less gov't regulated morality.
They forced people to help the poor
They forced people to associate with other races
They forced secular humanism on schools
>>70246075
>believing the stormfag lies from (((Weev)))
>>70245845
You're not a real libertarian if you disagree with freedom of movement. I can live wherever I want, and your statist objections can't stop me.
>>70243485
Paleoconservativism and linguistic nationalism are what I believe in.
"It is no nation we inhabit, but a language. Make no mistake; our native tongue is our true fatherland." -Emil Cioran
My beliefs may come from being an American but I will side with anyone that believes in conservative ideals, speaks English and is friendly to me regardless of his or her skin color or religion.
>>70247643
I'll be at your house around 8, my new roommate.
>>70247741
No one asked retard.
>>70243485
Storm kiddies made /pol/ their clubhouse and eventually some of their ideas stuck around
>>70247643
no true scotsman
as a pragmatic libertarian, I will not support open borders until the welfare state is removed. I am convinced this is all a divide and conquer campaign to fuck with /pol/
>>70247986
>their worst case scenario fantasy isn't even close to what actual states have done
every time
>>70247643
There is no 'freedom of movement'. You can have all the movement you want on your own property and property of people who let you go there, but if you come to my house without invitation imma kick u the fuck out! Same with wetbacks and rapefugees
>>70247897
Does my opinion trigger you? Paleoconservative is the true way. Libertarianism will only result in tribalism and juntas.
>>70246928
What's it like being a degenerate? Libertarians are like classical liberals who want small government. They want to destroy western culture like it's nothing and didn't take hundreds of years to cultivate.
>>70245845
Yes but many libertarian leaders support open borders so voting them in would be bad.
Maybe you should read up on things you can find, unlike a non autistic libertarian, because Sodomy laws existed into the late 20th century in the US and made anal sex illegal, and this was mainly inforced for gays.
>But it's ok, you can impose your self righteousness
You speak like a passive aggressive liberal faggot. Gays are a cancer on our society, a sign that we are becoming weak. If you do not see the problem here you need to open your eyes. You say it is fine what two consenting adults do together, buthow do you feel about drugs. Should I be allowed to smoke crack? Obviously fucking not, as legalizing and normalizing shit like that is how society is ruined. Even 'soft' drugs such as weed ruin people.
>>70246500
So are you saying the military is beta? Your life is literally controlled by other men. In fact almost everyone will have someone above them in the food chain controlling them, just because /pol/ wants a competent government doesn't make them beta.
>>70247741
I hate to label myself as a white nationalist but to me linguistic nationalism doesn't make sense. If Samir al imam learns English, is he now your friend. Samir beats his wife and stones gays, that makes him conservative right? Are the Nigerian people your friends more than the Polish, or the Germans?
>>70246471
>>70246914
We dont advocate open borders. See>>70248228
>>70248248
Both are for dumb spergs.
>>70243485
Because they're hohols with that color.
>>70248228
Also in a libertarian society, a community could agree who to let in and not let in and the government couldnt tell them not to do that
>>70248899
The immigrants will just build a gypsy camp right next to the other community
>>70249229
Libertarians could easily handle that the Balkan way.
>>70248899
Well since Im an ancap, the government certainly couldnt do that:)
I imagine a society of local communities and societies and homeowner associations (HOAs) of likeminded people. If libtards want refugees, they should let them in their own houses and feed them with their own money, and their are 'compassionate' only when other people pay
>>70249379
i agree with u
>>70244044
This, libertarianism is just another word for kikery.
>>70249229
Only if they own the land. Otherwise you have the right to holocaust the invaders. Goatfuckers are poor as fuck and cant buy the land. Problem solved
>>70248511
Notice the friendly part (although bit fuzzy since I went too specific with friendly to me). I don't know about you but I have never been friends with people who hurt others regardless of how nice they are to me. This will naturally exclude Nigerians and Arabics who attack their fellow people.
I don't know much about polish and German cultural beliefs when it comes to politics but given that a quite a few of them are against foreigners (that don't speak their language) whi attack their people then they are in better standing to be my friend than other people.
>speak English (doesn't have to be first language)
>be nice to your own people.
>be conservative
You are my ally
>>70249662
>your people and me*
Because they can't get their shit together. The logo is an eagle/torch thing, not a porcupine -- for example. The way they are organized locally is pretty low rent, and they pick very silly candidates. Gary goddamn Johnson is the most serious guy up there. That's foolish. Also, they gotta drop the pacifism thing. It's okay if they wanna say that intervention is a last resort but to say that candidates have to commit to never doing war is dumb. Pol doesn't hate libertarians, pol hates dummies. HOLD IT YOU DUMMIES. *mic bump* *airhorn*
>>70243485
Because they don't vote and just sit on the fence while faggots and commies take over.
Because they're a silent majority who've allowed loud-mouthed minorities to take over this country.
Nationalist libertarianism is the GOAT ideology.
>>70243485
Libertarian ideology is not something which needs to be voted for. A libertarian ideally would vote for those who he can save, but if someone truly infringes upon the rights of a real libertarian, woe to that man who would have rather not been born.
If you support libertarianism, you support Christianity, and Christianity is under attack. The entire alt right is being sabotaged by anti semite shills, atheists, and cut throat gooks(atheists). By giving them a word to define, you give power to those who slander you. If you are a libertarian, people will listen to you and they will support you if they are American. Dont give them the chance to denounce you, planting lies in the minds of others who unknowingly feed their pre connotations for our ideology.
you can see more of what i think about libertarian ideology on youtube and pastebin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuj_kGisC_U&nohtml5=False
is just one of my non meme videos
This is my pastebin
http://pastebin.com/u/GalvinMT
message my youtube if you want an invite to discord and then we can argue.
>>70251062
gibberish
>>70251281
>>70243485
We don't hate proper libertarians, though we do disagree with them on some issues.
We hate the loud fucking leftists who have infected libertarianism with no clue about what it originally was/is.
>>70251281
Your reply game me a heart attack, i think i might be dying. Jesus, it hurts in my chest when i breathe.
I'm not sure if i should be worried but it feels like i'm being stabbed halfway down my left rib whenever i'm breathing in. You did this.
And it went away. Just a minor stroke.
>>70243485
/pol/ is too radical for libertarianism
>>70247643
You're an idiot if you think that having no borders is a libertarian concept. It is a legitimate function of the state to preserve the borders of a nation, just as it's a legitimate power of government to protect private property.
If you don't at least agree in theory that the government has some powers, you're not a libertarian, you're an anarchist.
>>70251062
>If you support libertarianism, you support Christianity, and Christianity is under attack.
Kek, Christianity is a joke for the exact same reasons as lolbertarianism. Undermining the family, the people and the nation. Fuck open borders, fuck the pope and fuck you.
>>70243485
Libertarians - closest to true liberals.
>>70251982
You are exactly what i'm talking about in post you've cited. Your understanding of libertarianism is different to mine. Something you must understand is that libertarianism is not anarchism, and in a nationalistic community, libertarian is similar to what hyperbolic neo liberals believe.
Through unions which are all subject to the law of the land, a moral consensus enforced by the state(which must be maintained by a libertarian majority community, as a democracy without a majority libertarian population is not christian or pro freedom and independence, but authoritarian.), we would have many of the policies which are currently being forced in cuckistania and eurabia, but these would be voluntary policies. You can look up the American teachers union as an example of this.
this>>70251875
said it well enough.
>>70243547
FIRST BEST
POST POST
>>70252583
>a guy falsely claiming to be libertarian = representative of all libertarians
>>70252550
>>70243485
I honestly will NEVER forgive libertarianism for the fact that most libertarians and the vast majority of libertarian groups don't give a damn about border control and deportation.
Its just too selfish and antiwhite for my tastes.
>>70243485
Libertarianism is a great philosophy. It's a shit political party and an absolute joke as a lifestyle.
The party is obsessed with ideological purity and more interested in casting aspersions upon each other than making any headway. There are things you have to do as a political party to gain traction -- just simple nuts and bolts shit -- and they refuse to sully their hands with it.
As a lifestyle, they're worse than hippies. Disgusting creatures, losers who really want "freedom" from having to earn a living in this world rather than "freedom" that 90% of the hardworking white people of this country can identify with.
>>70252776
nice meme
(you)
This chart...
When the hell did Clinton become a Republican and why is Sanders a libertarian, well mostly.
>>70243485
/pol/ was never about libertarianism it was about harsh cold coarse reality
now that google owns 4chan they opened the floodgates of normie trash, these people are coming into /pol/ and making it about them, they do this with everything
>>70243485
> /pol/ is a hivemind
You dumb POS. the board is giving trump support right now because Cruz is a toad and Hillary is a cunt. I'm more classical liberal than libertarian but support trump because he's the wrecking ball that will take down the Washington establishment. Americas political class that exists behind both parties and keeps them in its pocket.
>Stay out of our wallets
Everything turns to Africa
Because 6 years ago we were rebellious and idealistic kids who thought people could handle freedom.
Then we got into the real world and noticed that people can barely be trusted with spray paint
![us2016[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/lkhnsb3.png "us2016[1].png")
>>70252984
Sanders is left leaning centrist socialist, meaning he's more libertarian than any other major party candidate in the current election.
Clinton is a right leaning Democrat.
>>70243485
Because it's after 3pm and school just got out
What's the term for a libertarian who wants closed borders, or at least regulated immigration? Open borders is mental, senpai.
>>70253070
Exactly. That's what you need to emphasize when talking to Bernbros, they need to understand we both want the same thing, at least the non gibsmedats do.
Obviously there's a fuck ton of mexishit socialist scum voting Bernie, but most of them also have a victim complex where they think the system is oppressing them, but they're miss directing their energy by supporting a pro establishment character like Bernie.
Just watch, Bernie voters will turn up for Trump.
>>70243547
first post, best post
the people don't like outlanders, plain and simple
>>70243547
>libertarian
>government-subsidized health care
What the actual fuck?
>>70244044
>>70249532
So you think all jews are inherently evil? Like the SJW crowd think all white people are inherently evil?
>>70253278
That is the most retarded graph I have ever seen.
Being libertarian doesn't work.
We all wish we could live in total liberty, but it makes you an idiot if you think that's possible.
>>70243485
because you favored economic policies that gutted the working class in favor of outsiders like the chinese
even if you don't want open borders for people, your support for open borders for capital has ruined us already
>>70243485
They love to suck illegal dick.
That is about it really.
>>70253070
You're not a classical liberal, you're a liar. Nobody who believes in free-market principles could support Trump. No one.
>tariffs
>trade barriers
>yuuuuge (unfunded) government spending
At best, you're some sort of naive contrarian who thinks Trump would change anything. Trump is unprincipled, and he's been funding the Establishment for years. He'll do anything to hold onto power, once he gets it.
>>70253557
Does it remind you of yourself?
Why is their symbol a hedgehog? Are libertarians all Sonic autists?
>>70243485
They're morons
>>70253609
Good. Its called staying competitive. Either put up or shut up
>>70253625
Maybe he was funding both sides because that's good business?
>>70243485
/pol/ is a libertarian board. Everyone on /pol/ that talks shit about libertarians is a shill.
>>70244885
i agree with you
>hivemind
>>70243547
>government subsidized healthcare
>libertarian
Choose one and only one.
>>70243485
>Why does /pol/ suddenly hate libertarians?
I can tell you why I turned away from the American Libertarian Party.
I like -- and have always liked -- the core libertarian values.
But over the years I noticed that the American Libertarian Party has a very sacred cow. That sacred cow is capitalism. In the Libertarian Party, thou shalt not criticism capitalism in any way. According to the dogma: capitalism can do no wrong, and is the correct solutions to all of our problems, and must be followed blindly, and all criticism against it must be shouted down.
It finally reached a point where I could no longer overlook capitalism's weaknesses. Capitalism is a great system if you want to efficiently distribute cars and refrigerators and computers to as many people as possible. But capitalism -- by definition -- puts the pursuit of profits above all other concerns. Profits are more important than safety and health. Profits are more important that happiness and basic human dignity. Profits are more important than clean air and clean water. And this isn't just my opinion. This is the law. A for-profit USA corporation must always act in the best financial interests of its shareholders. For example, if a company makes its money by polluting, then it actually CAN'T stop polluting unless it can show that would result in increased profits somehow.
Now, none of this means that capitalism is "bad". But it does mean that capitalism doesn't deserve blind faith in its abilities. Capitalism needs to be put on a tight leash, and disciplined with a firm hand, to prevent it from becoming abusive. It's possible to believe that capitalism is the best economic system and yet also recognize the need to keep it on a leash. But the culture of the American Libertarian Party does not recognize this fact -- and for that reason, I had to turn away from it.
>>70253796
>Being this blue pilled
>>70253772
>tarrifs
>good
Pick one
>>70243547
>Uses McAfee as a representation of libertarians
wew
>>70253625
The government is a union of citizens, and through this union we make laws. Libertarian policy is molded by those who exist within that government, and if the society unionizes to keep parasites from leaching our community, this is still libertarian. Unions are essential in a libertarian society and tariffs are good for our society.
>>70253766
it's no much that you insult us
it's that you smugly think you are right
>>70253835
>For example, if a company makes its money by polluting, then it actually CAN'T stop polluting unless it can show that would result in increased profits somehow.
You're so full of shit it hurts
>>70245985
This
>>70253870
wew
>>70253915
This is what lazy trump tards tell themselves even though theyre too stupid to market themselves to either add value to a firm or are too much of a pussy to start a new business.
>>70243943
No. Now it's becoming mainstream which helps the movement. Of course tax-funded welfare is not libertarian (whether for immigrants or citizens) but him disagreeing on that one issue doesn't mean he's a bad guy. You're not going to agree with 100% of any politician's stances. Stop being a fucking faggot and siding against someone because of one fucking issue.
>>70244139
>i like money more than i like having a nation that is worth living and other reasons for being a libertarian
>>70253349
Republican.
>>70244666
I swear that's a direct quote from a Sargon of Akkad video
>>70254083
>market themselves
can you even hear yourself talk? you have no honor
>>70252776
If there are illegals living in the United States not applying for citizenship then they have to be deported... what is wrong with that? Libertarians want a secure border.
libertarian nationalist here. freedom for legal citizens only!
>>70247762
Do you have good hygiene? I'm lonely and tired of being a recluse and need someone to jam with
because donald trump isn't a libertarian
>>70243485
Librbrbarians are just cuck version of liberals
>>70253591
>English education
Libertarianism isn't Anarchism, you dolt.
>>70253609
>waaaaah our unionized and overregulated factories can't compete with asians ;_;
>issa not fair!!1!!!11!
Forcing Belgian businesses to buy their supplies from rusting Wallonian scrap-yards will only kill whatever economy you have left, I assure you.
>>70253772
It's good business, but not good citizenship. It shows how little Trump cares for American freedom and democracy. He'll do the same unprincipled shit as President, believe me.
>>70253887
Nobody should be forced to pay a union they aren't a voluntary member of, and nobody should be forced to accept a wage a union dictates. "Unions" that mandate such things aren't libertarian by any means.
>>70243485
it's a ideology for sociopaths
like all rightwing ideologies these days
http://www.playbuzz.com/joycemartin10/can-you-pass-the-sociopath-test
>>70253349
Still a libertarian. There are certain issues libertarians still go back and forth on. Immigration is one of them, so is abortion.
>>70243485
Mostly because of the influx Rebbit and normal fags
>>70253835
Then you don't really understand the libertarian - AUSTRIAN - view of economics and capitalism. Capitalism doesn't mean always maximizing profits, it means the ownership of yourself, your labour and your property and freedom to trade it with whoever you want. Austrian economics actually says that markets are based on human self-interest wich is not necesarily to max profit in the given moment but to do what maximizes value to yourself based on your own thoughts and beliefs which can be something like saving a life.
>>70254538
This to be frank. It's sad.
/pol/ even likes Israel and government surveillance just because Trump likes them too.
>>70245845
>You should probably read up on Libertarianism before you start to criticize it.
I hate this line from you libertardians. Have you?
Mises.org, LewRockwell.com, TomWoods, most of the Libertarian Blog-o-sphere, are pro-open borders in the basis of muh free market.
>>70254635
I believe a women has a right to make her own decisions about her own life.. sort of
>Libertarians
>says they want peace through diplomacy
>no government
>diplomacy
>no government
Yeah... I think it's clear why Libertarians are retarded.
>>70243485
>suddenly
Lurk more newfag
>>70254604
>>70247999
>pragmatic libertarian
Good for you. If there were more libertarians like you we wouldn't be having this conversation.
>I am convinced this is all a divide and conquer campaign to fuck with /pol/
Read your own literature. Yes, libertarians actually believe in open borders. They equate the free movement of people as essential with free trade. Again, muh free market.
>>70254920
>medpack gives you cancer
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>>70254865
I'm not a libertarian, but I believe abortion is murder, therefore if I was a libertarian I could still be pro-life and it wouldn't be considered an anti-libertarian position.
>>70254920
Libertarians aren't anarchists, retard. Why is every /pol/tard's perception of libertarianism hyperbole?
>>70255101
>ancap is libertarianism
learn how unions work, friend.
>>70254920
>people can't negotiate unless they pillage others and subjugate them to their whims
>>70254002
>You're so full of shit it hurts
Unfortunately, I'm right.
If a company cannot reasonably show that profits are likely to increase as a result of reducing its pollution, then the company becomes liable for shareholder lawsuits against the board of directors.
There's many, many documented cases of this. Start on google by searching for "shareholder lawsuits" -- you'll get a good sample of just how limited a corporation's options are if it wants to try to "do good" in the world, but is unable to make a reasonable case that "doing good" would result in a long-term increase in profits. They will generally abandon the attempt, out of fear of shareholder lawsuits.
Do you ever wonder why blacks are charged the same insurance rates as whites, even though they have a lot more risk? It's because the law makes them charge the same rates. Those laws protect the insurance companies from the inevitable shareholder lawsuits that would result if the insurance companies tried to use "social fairness and justice" as a way of setting their policy rates. Hence, insurance companies faced significant legal risks if they tried to set rates for blacks and whites the same. Legislative intervention was necessary to make the system "racially fair".
It's all out there on google, just waiting for you to learn about it.
>>70243485
>Why does /pol/ suddenly hate libertarians?
MUH ROADS
>>70243547
Feep beep muthafucka.
>>70255248
>muh ancap =/=libertarian
Make up your mind, lolbertardians. Is libertarianism a spectrum that includes anacaps, minarchists, and classical liberals or doesn't it?
Even minarchist libertarian intellectuals advocate for open borders.
>>70255831
(you)
>>70255831
>advocate for open borders.
after the welfare state is destroyed yes. until then no.
you are pretty bad at this
>>70254324
Ok neet
>>70255831
Libertarian is a blanket term. Those other terms are more narrow.
>>70255916
A Libertarian Stand on Immigration
We must not forget libertarianism is not a teleological dogma striving for a certain end; it rather sees individual freedom and rights as the natural point of departure for a just society. When people are truly free, whatever will be will be. Hence, the question is not what the effects of a certain immigration policy would be, but whether there should be one at all.
From a libertarian point of view, it is not relevant to discuss whether to support immigration policy A, B, or C. The answer is not open borders but no borders; the libertarian case is not whether private property rights restrict immigration or not, but that a free society is based on private property. Both of these views are equally libertarian — but they apply the libertarian idea from different points of view. The open borders argument provides the libertarian stand on immigration from a macro view, and therefore stresses the libertarian values of tolerance and openness.[2] The private property argument assumes the micro view and therefore stresses the individual and natural rights.
There is no conflict between these views, except when each perspective is presented as a policy to be enforced by the state. With the state as it is today, should we as libertarians champion open borders or enforced property rights (with citizens' claims on "state property")? Both views are equally troublesome when applied within the framework of the state, but they do not contradict each other; they are not opposites.
The Libertarian Immigration Conundrum
https://mises.org/library/libertarian-immigration-conundrum
>>70255142
I would consider it being a prig
libertarians say they're all about minding their own business and they don't give a shit about what others do.
but here we see that they don't mind burdening other ppl they don't care about because of their own retarded moral code
so which is it?
do they just like telling ppl they don't care about what to do?
or are they showing off their fake morality?
>>70243485
I don't hate libertarians. But libertarian ideology cannot work.
Fundamentally, it would work if we were a white nation and immigration were nonexistent. But this is not so. Even if you got rid of all the entitlements and taxes and all the other bullshit and turned america into Milton's wet dream, what would happen after? Immigrants would flood in r-selected pieces of shit would start popping up. And they would start voting for social programs and other liberal policies.
You can't have a free society because you freely invite in those who do not want a free society. People that support libertarian ideas are overwhelmingly white.
>>70254137
That's a pretty fucking major issue to disagree on. Anything else he wants is irrelevant because importing millions more mexicans - who vote overwhelmingly for social welfare - will ensure that no more libertarians or conservatives are ever elected again.
>>70256045
>you are pretty bad at this
It was never about how or why or when libertarians would have open borders, it that libertarians advocate them at all.
>>70254083
>>70254729
>Capitalism doesn't mean always maximizing profits,
In the USA, there is a legal requirement that a for-profit company must put profits above all other goals.
(The company can pursue other goals -- such as a "green energy policy" for example -- but those goals must always be consistent with an eventual increase in profits.)
All "capitalist" corporations in the USA are also for-profit corporations, and, hence, they subject to civil liabilities if they run the company in a way that does not maximize profits. If the board of directors decides to sacrifice profitability for some other goal, then they will be subject to shareholder lawsuits.
Now, if you want, you can try to develop an academic definition of "capitalism" that is inconsistent with the legal requirements on for-profit companies in the USA. But such a definition would not be very practical here. Hooray for the Austrian economists and their interesting fantasies of how a wonderful "capitalist" system could theoretically work. But I tend to be more focused on the realities of USA corporate shareholder liability law, and how it impacts the way capitalism gets rolled out in practice.
>>70256231
Fucking disgusting
>good goy, reject any notion of cultural or ethnic unity! All people are replaceable actors in the cogs of the economy! Nothing else matters!
And then all the immigrants vote for a welfare state anyway.
>>70255282
pillaging and subjugating others is exactly what's going to happen 24/7 under libertarianism. good luck surviving without a functional police and army.
amerifats have by far the worst electoral system of all developed countries. you have no chance choosing your preferred candidate. you can only vote for the lesser evil.
>>70256509
History major pretending to have business education spotted
>>70256725
It happens now.
http://www.alternet.org/visions/true-history-libertarianism-america-phony-ideology-promote-corporate-agenda
>>70249532
>being free from government regulation is kikery
>Implying government is the most powerful tool in a kikes aresonal.
Ok goldberg
>>70253625
Those a international policies. Free markets are better with less free international trade. It makes us compete with each other more than being lowered to other countries.
>>70247986
>libertarianism means no police
Fucking hell, every god damn time. Between this shit and muh roadz it's like fucking canned arguments.
>>70243485
I am against regime change bush was an idiot for toppling Sadam, besides that when were the Republicans responsible for regime change?
>>70256725
>I think libertarianism is anarchism
>>70243485
I dont , i just love trump
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/emperor-trump
>>70254920
>libertarian means no government
>>70243485
Libertarianism can easily be manipulated by the Jews, so until the Jews go Libertarianism is not an option.
![randkike[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ADuBu9G.jpg "randkike[1].jpg")
Libertarianism is a trap created to attract self deceived goyims who naively think few unorganized idiots without army, without police, without infraestructures... vs well organized millions, bounded all them with same religion, blood and culture have any chance to succeed. Autists who fap with marvel comics and Ayn Rand goyim bait books thats a libertarian.
>>70258095
The elite ("da jooz") will manipulate any system where they are allowed to exist. In this case, the smaller the apparatus they are manipulating, the better.
>>70255230
>Why is every /pol/tard's perception of libertarianism hyperbole?
Because most libertarians on /pol/ give us little room to think otherwise. Not to mention people on libertarian forums such as /r/libertarian.
>>70256231
Immigrants: Intruders or Guests? A Reply to Hoppe and Kinsella
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/22_1_10.pdf
>>70258479
PHYSICAL
REMOVAL
>>70258496
I'm not sure about that, what's easier to overthrow a big authoritarian government full of corrupt individuals or small government that allows the people it governs to use arms?
>libertarians
>common sense
There's nothing common sense about individualism.
>>70258949
*small corrupt government of corrupt individuals
I think you can already see my bias.
>>70258239
>libertarian means anarchism
>>70258949
Assuming both have a similarly sized military and police force (libertarianism doesn't exclude either) there is no more threat of a hostile takeover.
>>70253501
Don't forget men. And yes, don't you know that those Jew-haters are the antipode of tumblr-ites? That both equally retarded, just on opposite ends of the spectrum.
>>70259101
I'm still not sure, since the authoritarian society would silence any propaganda or free speech. Just see Rotherham, for a bong example. They arrested anyone in the area who even spoke negatively of the criminals, they tried to silence the protests against child sex gangs.
>>70259539
But if there is no regulatory body capable of regulating speech there is no way to ban it without fundamentally altering the structure of the government.
>>70258961
Not an argument
>>70260085
I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
It's not hard to suppress and censor. The Chinese do it, soviets do it, our own governments do it.
The Chinese have Article 5 of the “Computer Information Network and Internet Security, Protection and Management Regulations,”
where you cannot interact or create information Inciting to overthrow the government or the socialist system;
People will gladly throw away freedom for "security", just like what the Bush administration did post 9/11 with the NSA.
>>70253501
No, they just happen to support whatever it is that can be used to subjugate masses. Communism and Crony-capitalism are two sides of the same shekel. It's the difference between an imagined cyber-punk future with totalitarian governments and one with totalitarian corporations acting as de facto governments. Jews are good at climbing to the top so they like their ideologies top heavy, even it it's at the expense of the people. It's not about them being inherently evil; it's about them being self interested like anyone, but with a unique lack of national ties to the people around them and an ability to climb social ladders thanks to their tendency to have intelligence and connections. When someone develops and supports and ideology, you must consider their reasons for doing so. Think critically on any group's motivations in a similar way.
>>70261114
If you don't have a body of government regulating speech and information such as the FCC how can you censor free speech?
>>70261360
By setting one up? Why wouldn't a modern authoritarian government regulate speech?
>>70260860
P1 Libertarianism is fundamentally individualist
P2 According to everything we know about social behavior, individualism is wrong
C Libertarianism is a bullshit ideology
Here you go, Stef
>>70243485
>left
>non-interventionist foreign policy
I used to consider myself a Libertarian, then I realized it doesn't work very well in large countries like the US. Now I'd consider myself some weird mix of libertarian, conservative, and nationalist.
>>70258961
There's nothing good about collectivism.
You die alone, dumbass.
Look out for yourself first, others MAYBE secondly. Your own life will only suck if you trade your own welfare for someone else.
>>70262722
You gotta remember the democrats always pull a Woodrow Wilson and claim to be against war and then drag us into the biggest wars. Their words and actions don't match up, but that's expected of politicians now.
>>70263072
Where are you getting this from? The quality of life in today's most collectivist countries is better than life in the most individualist. You're full of shit.
>>70264228
>The quality of life in today's most collectivist countries is better than life in the most individualist
>>70264228
>The quality of life in today's most collectivist countries
Suicide rates say otherwise. Monaco otoh...
>>70262549
Creating an entirely new branch of the government is certainly going to turn some heads, and in a democratic republic or a representational democracy or whatever system of government you have you're not just talking about convincing a handful of people to go along with your plans, you have to at the very least convince a few hundred people who have to think about their constituency, and that's assuming the media doesn't catch wind of it before it passes.
>>70259073
>no state means no government
>>70264665
>>70264961
hmmm...
And suicide rates have direct correlation with industrial advancement and overall intelligence. If anything, high suicide rates indicate how great a country is.
>>70243485
it's about liberty and natural rights not some bullshit compound of what we like from each side. Fucking mainstream libertarians and their bullshit pandering
>>70265111
wait a minute is this a brand new government or are we trying to convert an existing government since most already have a branch like this.
I'd guess you'd hide these under hate speech & anti-terrorism laws with the former you'd have support from liberals
>>70265341
>high suicide rates indicate how great a country is
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>>70265341
Switzerland is one of the most individualist countries
Because it's a retarded meme ideology that denies the merits of ethnocentrism.
>>70244478
It does because you are allowing a culture of people unappreciative of the freedoms they have to enter your politics and likely extort it. freedom of citizens isn't the same as freedom of foreigners.
>>70265663
>denies the merits of ethnocentrism
Plenty of ethnocentric countries are shit-tier.
In fact, most of them are.
>>70265663
Newsflash - people who have vaguely more similar physiological traits to yourself are just as fucking shitty as you. Which is pretty fucking shitty.
>>70265479
This is assuming a brand new government, but you could also just restructure an existing government and eliminate this branch.
>>70265914
You have to understand that many libertarians are pushing for major changes in their governments, not just minor adjustments.
>>70243485
muh roads
somalia lol
having a hard time tonight
Trump redpilled /pol/ on free trade and open borders.
Isn't agorism better?
>>70265584
That's patently untrue lol
http://www.clearlycultural.com/geert-hofstede-cultural-dimensions/individualism/
https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/national-individualism-collectivism-scores/
>>70265534
Correlation between industrialization and suicide is a long known phenomenon, friendo.
http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/43/3/401.short
>>70266605
People in shitholes don't take stats of people who off themselves, fuck-face.
>>70253557
Actually its pretty accurate tbqh. Bernie is probably further left, but thats about it.
>>70266172
Except he made all his money from free trade and dumb foreigners staying/playing in his hotels/casinos.
He's lying to you to get you to elect him. Preying on your fears. It's funny you ignorant fags are falling for it. Can't wait for the inevitable.
>>70266913
Nobody preys on fears more than economically illiterate/deliberately malicious protectionist cock-monglers.
>>70243485
Reddit faggots
>>70265914
Why would you eliminate the branch, if you were authoritarian? The whole point of authority is security and control.
Also wouldn't people object to that? This imaginary government isn't a dictatorship is it?
The media whose free speech you protected could paint you as lax to the nations security.
>>70265976
I don't want a big difference I just want free speech, a little more privacy, more control over schools to prevent ideological brainwashing and the knowledge that when push comes to shove I can at least attempt to protect my property and family with my own two hands without risk of jail.
It's not like I want to remove the minimum wage or taxes or open borders. I don't think a libertarian society with open borders is even possible, it'd be overwhelming for public services.
>>70243547
>Free healthcare
>Libertarian
>>70266913
>operating in your best interests in a particular situation means you think that situation is best!
That's like saying you can't argue against social security if you get SS checks after you retire. Given a particular situation, of course I'm going to take the money I'm given, especially after being forced to pay into it for 50 years. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer the entire system were scrapped.
>>70266836
That's not what I'm talking about, goy. When the U.S. went from being a bunch of farmers to an industrialized nation, suicide rates went up. This same trend is seen in every single country that has industrialized.
Also, your whole argument is based around how people in Scandinavian countries kill themselves more than people in the United States. That has nothing to do with collectivism, it's because of a lack of sunlight.
>>70243547
I'll just fuck my own shit up, asshole
>>70267557
>suicide rates went up
>compared to time states when nobody took stats of people who offed themselves
>>70246136
You need to get laid. You have a lot of pent up sexual frustration
>>70267782
Degenerates are so fucking laughably stupid.
"Lmao why don't you suck dick like me xD"
>>70267511
He didn't just operate once in a while like that.
He's lived his entire adult life doing it, to the point where globalism is his way of life.
Stop making excuses for him. He's bad news, and he's not only known for but is famous for playing the game dirty to win. This is a guy whose ego is bigger than anyone else running.
Anyone with an ego like that is 100% self-centered. Take it from a selfish person like myself. He's playing you idiots as fools for self-gain. I'd do the same thing if I was hungry for power. Fortunately, I'm just hungry for money and drugs.
>>70267662
>>compared to time states when nobody took stats of people who offed themselves
That's not true lol. You're just making shit up, aren't you?
>>70244784
I get that slippery slope is a fallacy technically, but it is true that when some arguments prevail, it undercuts contrary arguments for other more ridiculous stuff. The gheys got a new definition of marriage, there is literally no counter argument for polygamy now.
>>70268086
I know you don't like competing in a competitive labor market because you're an abject failure at life, but trying to make everyone else's lives shittier so that you can maybe land a slave-labor job as a fucking textile worker isn't something anyone's gonna buy into you dick-sucking homoqueer.
>>70268139
>That's not true lol
So show me the suicide stats from 1895 then.
TFW /pol/ regurgitates the open borders bs though no libertarian on here supports it with the welfare state.
TFW they never have any legit argument against libertarian so they resort to this straw man
TFW half these retards couldn't define conservative or whatever flavor of the month form of authoritarianism fits their media driven paranoia at the moment.
>>70268139
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>>70268355
The actual numbers are beside the point. To pull those stats up from Google isn't something I know how to do.
It really doesn't matter though, as it's widely accepted by experts in sociology that modernization and suicide have direct correlation.
http://www.jstor.org/stable/650743?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
>>70269422
>the actual numbers are beside the point
L M A O
You are *SO* fucking REKT HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA
FUCKING IDIOT LEFTIES LAMO
>>70266849
No It's not accurate at fucking all, Political Compass is completely useless when It comes to applying to real politicians
Trump, Cruz and Jeb are fucking stacked on top of each other despite the fact that their positions, especially Jeb, are completely different on certain major issues.
