>Among the North Korean materials to be banned, some of which are fundamental to the country's revenue, are coal, iron, iron ore, gold, titanium and rare earths.
>While China's restrictions allow some North Korean materials to be imported for civilian use, any trade connected to the North's missile or nuclear programmes has been prohibited. For the UN sanctions to succeed, the cooperation of China - an ally of North Korea - has been viewed as essential.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-announces-sanctions-against-north-korea-a6969256.html
Well then. I did not expect that one.
>>70008419
Pic related
>>70009835
this is old news bro,there is news now kim might be dead and his regime surrendered.
>>70009995
like that time he was gone for a bit
>>70009995
what???
>>70008419
this is couple of weeks old news, the chinks already closed all ports to nork vessels and severed banking channels, only a question of time when they strike worst korea (likely)/have a homegrown coup (less likely)
>>70009995
Link source proofs?
>>70010093
>>70010233
http://www.india.com/news/world/kim-jong-un-dead-north-korea-dictator-no-more-1081269/
>inb4 poo
>>70010324
Poo in news
>>70010115
it isn't several weeks old.
this is breaking news
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35969412
4 hours ago
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-05/china-restricts-trade-with-north-korea-over-nuclear-program/7302254
4 hours ago
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2016/04/05/0200000000AEN20160405011200315.html
2016/04/05 19:47
http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/china-restricts-trade-with-north-korea-over-nuclear-tests-1.2845755
Published Tuesday, April 5, 2016 8:25AM EDT
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/china-restricts-imports-north-korea-coal-sales-jet-38156704
Apr 5, 2016, 5:56 AM ET
Well, that settles that. North Korea will not make it to 2017.
>>70010602
>believing the Chinese
They don't want to lose their buffer against South Korea and Japan. They don't want a flood of North Korean refugees. They don't want a nuclear-armed state on their border to collapse. They will keep it afloat as long as they possibly can, any way that they can.
>inb4 salt from north korea
>>70010451
nice
>>70010737
The buffer is hardly worth it anymore since the entire world has grown tired of North Korea's shit and blames China for their continued existence. The refugees will be entirely South Korea's problem, not China's. A collapsed North Korea is about as stable as North Korea is now, so the nukes don't really make a difference either way.
I think its just for show. China can't abandon NK or it is fucked.
>>70011050
Please don't tell me he's picking grass for dinner.
>>70011214
Looks like it.
>>70011214
Norky grass has special properties because Kim Il sung took a shit in it once.
>>70011214
http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-north-korea-famine-20160330-story.html
Government is literally telling them to eat grass to get through this round of sanctions. This isn't the first time the government has come out and said "fuck it I don't know, eat grass if you're that hungry."
>>70011214
But grass does not provide nutrions for humans. They must be using it for something else.
>>70011186
China has basically thrown NK under the bus.
from the article:
The move by China comes after the global Nuclear Security Summit held in Washington last week. There, at a meeting between Barack Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping, the US President said both countries were “committed to the [denuclearisation] of the Korean Peninsula”.
the denuclearisation of the korean peninsula = NK will no longer exist
there's no other way you could interpret that statement
>>70011050
>buffer is hardly worth it
Clearly you don't know geopolitics. It is hugely worth it because if North Korea were to fall the Americans would have their forces directly on China's border.
>refugees will be entirely South Korea's problem
Why, exactly? There is very little traffic between Nork and Souk but tons of traffic between Nork and China.
>collapsed North Korea
>nukes don't really make a difference
I'm sorry, I should have realized you were a fucking idiot... carry on.
>>70011434
They have nothing else except weed in unholy quantities
>>70011434
They eat roots of small plants. 'Eating grass' is kind of a mistranslation.
China can absolutely abandon NK, and has been wanting to for a while. Last year a general was talking about how NK is a bottomless put for Chinas money and needs to end, and that was in state published paper too. This however is response to news in past couple weeks that NK has declared China an enemy of the state just like Japan, SK, etc, and they're blaming them for sanctions and everything.
Bit of a thick move when China is keeping them afloat and their only ally other than fucking Zimbabwe but since when has Kim made good tactical moves.
>>70008419
>China will be nuked in your lifetime
There is a God.
>>70009995
No fucking way. All these people will hang if there is a regime change. There is going to be a war there shortly. That's what desperate regimes do. Norks will go kamicrazee.
>trump was right
He talked about using China to choke NK last year
>>70011467
>Clearly you don't know geopolitics. It is hugely worth it because if North Korea were to fall the Americans would have their forces directly on China's border.
At this point, the collapse of North Korea is inevitable. It's going to happen. So it makes more sense for China to guide the collapse as best their can according to their interests, rather than wait for Kim to do something retarded that would result in an American invasion and occupation. A buffer makes sense if it's not a fuckin insane, constantly shit-talking nuclear armed antagonist.
>Why, exactly? There is very little traffic between Nork and Souk but tons of traffic between Nork and China.
There is already a bunch of international protocols in place for the reunification of Korea. The IMF has funds in place specifically FOR SK to deal with the problem, not China. Norks without a criminal background are granted SK citizenship as it stands, it's just NK doesn't let any of them into SK. Besides, although different, North Koreans and South Koreans speak a very similar language, much more similar than NK to Mandarin.
>>70011800
see>>70010324
and twitter their might be confirmed sources just to lazy to look on the northkorea hash tag
Why would China care if Korea reunited and "the US had a base on it's border"? It seems such an arbitrary thing to care about, what difference would it make?
>>70011914
because there is nukes pointed at chinas asshole.
>>70011602
That makes more sense.
>>70011851
sorks are a major trading partner to chyna, norks a burdain and an international embarassment
I bet Mao wouldn't be pleased if he saw today how big of a problem his bitch Kim Il Sung's creation has become
>>70009995
wouldnt be suprised. Everyone is scared to be the one standing up so everyone just waits for him to finally die so they can surrender and be free
>>70011914
NK is literally it's backdoor, other parts are secure enough but once USA has NK it's GG from then for china.
>>70011976
Because borders have to be touching to be able to fire nukes.
>>70011914
It's an outdated, Cold War way of thinking. China has American influence right on its doorstep with SK and Japan anyway, and everyone pretends like they don't count because they're not land borders.
>>70008419
Oh no, not sanctions.
>>70012111
we have long range nukes to fly over the border, unless they surround themselves with 10-20walls even then we can fly over the fucking wall and nuke them. I think this whole nk thing is to declare war and nuke chinas asshole till it pops over itself.
>>70011912
Like it's relevant who is the figurehead. They are all in one boat. That boat doesn't survive the regime change. Actually, they didn't even have a chance to privatize shit. If they are sanctioned, there is going to be a revolt and they die or they start a war and blackmail for food and money. If the gamble goes bad, they go kamicrazee. There aren't good outcomes for them.
>>70012103
Why? If the US were insane enough to want to attack China for whatever reason they could do it navally rather than having to go through Korea by land. And this isn't 1950s Europe, China doesn't need satellite states and isn't interested in spreading it's system to the rest of the world, just like America it wants trade and stability.
>>70012430
>implying america will attacj China directly.
look at the map of Russia, america and nato are choking Russia right now.
Once China is surrounded by hostile nations it will have difficulty controlling it's routes.
NK will be used to push destabilizing elements.
>>70012243
They actually work on NK, though, the people have resorted to eating each other over the years.
>>70009995
>>70010324
This is pure bullshit.
Gotta give Obama credit where credit is due
>Cuba sanctions lifting
>Iran relations defrosting
>North Korea possibly ending
>Libya Dictator toppled
Pure coincidence that those countries were the only ones left without a Rothschild owned bank...
>>70011602
It's really sad. If NK regime falls, we're looking at at least 2 generations of people absolutely lost to current world.
>>70012668
>Libya Dictator toppled
How's that a good thing.
>>70008419
This explains why North Korea went full autistic rage earlier last week.
>>70012825
he is missing the sarcasm tag.
notice the last line.
>>70012774
At some point you gotta man up and say fuck it and end the whole thing. Yeah, the first 2 generations are going to be absolutely fucked up and will struggle with integration, but things will get better afterwards. A unified Korea is completely inevitable, the sooner it gets done the better.
>>70008419
Why would they starve? There is a fucking Ocean next to them. God dam, its too hard to fish? I thought Asian were above Africans.
>>70012668
Muh Legion of Doom family conspiracy
>>70012825
>Libya in complete disarray
>Syria overrun with ISIS and Moderate™ jihadists
>Ukraine a proxy battleground
T-Thanks, Obama.
>>70008419
48:00:00
IT'S HAPPENING
>>70013031
There are 25 million North Koreans you idiot. You can't feed 25 million people with nothing but fish. They're starving because the leadership of NK is absolutely retarded and didn't develop their agriculture accordingly.
>>70013229
wuts happenin' ?
This means the Chinese have acquired enough data from the last NK missile tests and China has developed ballistic missile defense far enough to be sure that a dozen nuke missles aren't a threat to them anymore. This has also implications for the South China Sea arms race and American attempts to play the role of a force for security and peace there.
>>70011851
By similar you mean the same I hope
I mean really aside from a few vocabulary differences regarding foreign words and a slight accent/speech pattern its pretty much the same
Much like french and quebec
i never thought i'd say this, but good on China.
>>70013031
they already over fished, and polluted the fuck out of it
hell they built a series of dams as AMAZING FEATS OF ENGINEERING back in the 70's that accidentally destroyed a large bit of their farmable land
>>70008419
The only way the Nork Problem ends is either China fixes it for us or we have to nuke them.
NK will nuke China, right? Right?
>>70012668
>cuba sanctions lifted
are you fucking kidding me, that was a national embarrassment for us
>>70013412
the countdown has begun
we have less than 48 hours before ww3
>>70012615
>This is pure bull shit.
India.com would consider that high praise
>>70008419
Kim starts shooting civilians when?
>>70013593
I don't think they can. Contrary to popular belief China has pretty solid missile defense and missiles in general.
>>70013646
how do you know?
>>70011914
Agreed. If China could wave its hands and have the NK problem go away via absorption by the South I'm sure they'd be all for it.
>>70013593
If they nuke China, the Chinese will retaliate and none of them survive. If they nuke the South, they both have to rebuild, and there is a chance they don't outright hang all the top guys, and just go after the dear leader. I would say there is a better outcome for them to attack the other Korea. It equalizes the unification somewhat.
>>70008419
North Korea please don't attack us ;-;
>>70012774
That sounds fascinating as fuck though. Like going back in time and showing some Crusader what a .50 cal does.
>>70013939
NK has a maximum of two or three bombs which are as strong as the two Bombs, which were dropped on Japan. Also there are several defensive weapons which could bring those bombs down, even before they are out of the NK soil.
>>70013988
They won't.
>>70013988
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>>70014222
I bet the order will be issued, the question is whether it will be executed
>China finally tells North Korea to knock it off
>>70008419
>"uou being bad boy! Go to youre room and no minecraft!"
>>70014083
Except they are not playing to win, and Seoul is close. You have insane and desperate people there.
>>70014285
Nope. We have 28500 personnel there at any given time that the public is aware of, and numerous military installations across the country. And Japan is a cherry on top.
They're not going to do jack shit.
>>70014285
EXECUTE ORDER 66 !!!
> best Korea enters severe famine
> norks convince populace that it's only temporary and that food will come
> norks begin their yearly threats against SK/US/Japan expecting aid
> aid doesnt come, population starts to panic and riot
> martial law enstated and crowds of starving people get slaughtered, Kim gets desperate and starts mobilising his army towards the border and his nuke threats come
> SK stands fast and doesn't let up
> second Korean war begins - US back SK, NK gets destroyed in a matter of weeks due to lack of resources
> NK annexed by SK and divided up between itself and China
Sound about right?
>>70013789
he is PooPee Land, he knows.
>>70014594
No. Nork citizens will starve to death but will not rise against Kim.
>>70009995
exactly
if anyone didn't see this coming, especially when america and iran signed a fucking deal, then you're retarded. north korea has the most to gain by fucking over china.
>>70014594
>North Koreans
>rioting
They will literally die in the gutters cursing America before they rise up against Kim.
>>70014542
that'll be their final move out of desperation and recent purges (after currency redenomination) have weakened the power of subordinates to great leader lil'kim
the regime has been beyond redemption since the fall of USSR when they still had the chance to reform but they preferred a great famine after seeing the fate of DDR being absororbed and its regime disbanded
>>70014728
Didn't say anything about revolution or coup I said rioting and panic amongst his delusionally loyal people
>>70014452
Kim knows, that he lives a luxury life. He has everything he wants. He also can travel wherever he wants, as he has, as every president of every nation, which is recognized as a nation by the UN, a diplomatic status and has immunity worldwide. This can only be lose this, if he commits crimes against humanity and has a charge at the ICC.
>>70014594
He'll use the nukes tho. And NK is very close to Russia too. Who knows what the Ruskies want, maybe they'd be eager to get something out of the mess too, and since it's pretty clear that they won't be on the American side....
>>70012668
Yeah, if only he didn't continue to destabilize the Middle East, leading to the greatest human migration in Europe since WW2.
>>70014900
It's not going to happen. They will patiently starve to death.
>>70014900
they dont do anything because they know that he will give the order to kill everybody who stays up and their family, kids, parents, friends, neighbors and so on. There are things which are worse than death
like a month ago chinese banks froze a lot of NK accounts, but /pol/ ignored my threads on this.
>>70014989
>implying
They might just end up on the American side vs Chyna in the end. They're kinda known for opportunistically changing sides to then get as much as they can from the big peace talks and end-war influence shuffles. See WW2.
>>70014900
You're seriously underestimating how indoctrinated North Koreans are, as well as how ready North Korea is to slaughter dissidents at the first sign of unrest.
>>70014989
they could be intercepted after launch but trouble is how to determine which ballistic missile carries a nuke, since they have quite an arsenal of various missiles and it's impossible to intercept all of them if launched in giant volleys
>>70008419
>Trump gets elected
>NK keeps trying to start shit
>Coalition between US, China, and Russia agrees to bomb the absolute piss out of NK
>War is over within a matter of months
>Reunification begins within a year
>A still more glorious dawn awaits
>The US leaves NATO and establishes the North Pacific Allies
>Russia, China, Japan, reunified Korea, and US all become best bros while and leave Europe to rot
>>70015151
>a leaf talking about how the culture of a country he's never been to is
>>70014594
You are forgetting the three mile kill zone on the Chinese border.
>>70014989
Very close? Russia literally shares a border with North Korea.
>>70014940
He already has committed crimes. He is not going to survive a day outside NK. And so is all their establishment. It's not like he has a choice now. He can run away and possibly end up going to jail somewhere, but his top guys can't even run away. They are trapped. And now the Chinese insured there is going to be a revolt. There is only one way it ends now, and its NK attacking somebody to rally the troops. They need an external enemy now and they need people fighting somebody instead of just going hungry. They also can't leave, because they've done some seriously bad shit inside NK. If they give up, they will hang.
Why don't the north gooks rebel against their government?
>>70015242
What's your take on things, professor?
>>70015017
>>70015056
>>70015151
Human instinct is stronger than indoctrination - most people would risk being gunned down in the street to steal rice if themselves and their family was slowly starving to death. Your brain stops functioning when youre starved and dehydrated severely, should they go to war millions of civilians will die due to the lack of infastructure and order when all of the resorces are put into defending against the SK/US shitstorm
>>70015510
I think he will escape to some shithole like myanmar, lose weight+grow a moustache for disguise and buy his freedom
>>70015240
Good. That sounds about right. Also that includes leaving that thief called Israel who does nothing but steal hardworking American money and blood.
And what the heck let the muslims take over Europe, there is nothing important there anyway.
>>70015587
You underestimate the power of communism so much it's not even funny. Especially since in NK it's paired with quasi-religious zeal.
>>70015396
I didn't mean physical proximity, but rather that they still have some diplomatic and economic relations with the country.
I say America take it the 8/10 or above North Korea qt3.14s. We have to do our part when North Korea falls.
>>70015587
All it takes is one brutal crackdown to break their rebellious spirit for a while. As long as the government can keep the military fed, nothing will change from within NK. Only when the military is starving will things begin to change from within.
>>70015741
How is he going to leave Korea? His buds will not let him because he is going to be their scapegoat for the war. He probably is not allowed to leave.
>>70015510
>he already has committed crimes
but he has no charge at the ICC
>survive a day outside NK
No one, littlery no one, would dare to kill him.
>Their top guys cant run away
Do we all know this top guys ? Is there not a little change all those people have an option for getting a new identity, a new passport, a new name, new face and so on. There wont be any revolte or a breakdown of NK, because no one is interested in it. Who would take care for more than 25 Million people. Who would investigate all the crimes. The breakdown of NK would cost a few hundred billion dollars or even more for just one or two years. There are two many facts who are speaking against a breakdown of the regieme in Pjoenjang
>>70015793
RU only uses some nork workers in its far east and owns a port in NE best korea, exports some shit to norks and that's about it
>>70015898
in one of dem midget subs
>>70015538
They're indoctrinated drones who can't think for themselves. They have to blame everything on America. A bit like /pol/ blaming everything on Soros and Jews.
>>70015587
there are hundreds of examples in history where exactly this kind of circumstance have been in several countries.
>>70016131
>They're indoctrinated drones who can't think for themselves. They have to blame everything on America.
change America with right wingers/Nazis and you've described your compatriots
>>70016268
Nobody denies this particular indoctrination. Denazification and reeducation aren't memes.
>>70016268
Here's a (you)
>>70016069
If there is a famine, they will just revolt, and nobody will investigate anything. They will just hang all the people they can get on the lamp posts.
Kim is only alive in NK. Outside, the terrorists he dealt with will literally kidnap him and try to get his money. He is an outlaw with no protection the second he leaves NK. They will not even let him leave anyway.
They need a war to redirect people's anger. That's what the regimes like NK do. They start a war to unify their army and the people. They have internal threats, not external.
>>70013229
Happening my ass.
>>70016475
things are different nowadays, there is a semblance of market economy in state-sanctioned marketplaces where traders sell and buy food, clothes, firewood, clandestinely exchange their wons to $ and yuans etc
norks have learned the hard way not to rely on public distribution that left them helpless in the 90s
>be nord gorean emberor
>be tough threatening dictator
China stops neetbux
>gorea egonomig grash when
>>70016475
if Kim would be killed, dont you think this will lead to a war. And who wants a war ? They have about 6 million soldiers. And this soldiers wont stop, till they are either dead or succesfull. Who wants this ? Do you really think that any country would dare to bring this up, when at the same time, they organize peace talks for syria ? If this would be the only option, china, USA and Russia would even work together in this case. This guy is dangerous for everyone, including china and russia
>>70015881
here's a cute defector girl
she even has twitter
https://twitter.com/hyeonseoleenk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoq5wDLbIqE
>>70016960
lmao
>>70008419
It'd be a lot smarter for China to finance a regime change and set up a puppet government so they still have a buffer country between themselves and South Korea. Publicly denouncing NK like this might make them act unpredictably and who knows who'll end up with NKs land if they start a war.
>>70008419
was homeland a prediction?
>>70015581
when lil kim the big boss hog starts swagging up the global theater with his wicked xxxtra large MISSILES it's actually weakness disguised as strength. it's like a dog being cornered: eventually it will get to the point where they must attack or die. (of starvation)
this is why we always send them human aid. they can't feed themselves; they simply don't have the land.
north korea has the most to gain by backstabbing china for it could land grab if there was an invasion on china, or it can gain bargaining chips against china when china becomes too entangled with north korea.
>>70017292
>Norks
>land grab against China
Are you serious.
>>70009835
Actually it was sorta predicted, NK's and China's diplomatic relations w/ each other have deteroriated the past years or so
>>70011467
They could've at least paint the tractors... They just look so silly now
>>70016782
That's even worse. The famine now will almost certainly lead to the revolt.
>>70012411
He was being sarcastic omg
>>70017580
dual-use tech is dangerous
>>70016961
No, it wouldn't, because he would not be a head of the state if he leaves. In fact, the norks would want his ass back. His best case scenario is he gets put in the western jail or something along those lines.
>>70017737
>he would not be a head of state
their official leader is still Kim il sung. Why should he not be the head of the state if he leaves ? Also what do you mean with leave ? Leaving forever or just for a visit to another state ?
>>70011434
Haitians literally eat dirt cookies. Anything to fill your stomach.
>>70017926
He can't leave his post. I thought that was what we discussed, Peru.
>>70018328
why cant he leave his post ? Why do you have to be rude now ? I mean just keep discussing about the topic, its a rare thing on pol, so please keep it this way, discussing without beeing rude. Thanks.
>>70017484
they have no land to farm
>>70018652
They also have no means to conquer anything in Chyna. They can however heroically die in droves, which will alleviate the famine a bit.
occasionally an anon (presumably female) from the vicinity of Chinese border joins these threads
that anon predicted massive flight of people to China if/when SHTF, a situation China definitely does not want to happen
>>70017926
currently the highest office in NK, the one that controls armed forces is the First Chairman of the National Defence Commission, with lil' Kim in the seat
>>70018652
Okay? So?
Do you really think NK could somehow invade China and occupy and farm Chinese land without getting the shit kicked out of them by China/the civilized world?
>>70018729
yea and if he leaves he will still be the leader of it or am i wrong ? Please give me some source if i am
>>70018462
He can't leave his post, because he loses the protection of the state. He needs the protection, because he holds the state's purse as his own. His life and financial interests become aligned with the post. He can run, but he becomes exposed to his enemies and he loses a significant chunk (probably all) of his finances. He is a hostage to his post at this point.
>>70018753
not by themselves, if you were retarded and didn't read what i typed up
they would have to attack when china is being invaded
IF
that were to ever happen
you don't think mexico wouldn't try some shit if america was being invaded?
>>70018926
Who the fuck is going to be invading China in the next 100 years?
>>70018989
Give us a couple of beers and we'll give it a fucking shot cunt.
>>70018874
you mean if he flees? Thats for sure, i just thought you meant when he was going to just visit another state.
They won't get rid of North Korea, they will just get rid of Kim Jong Un. China has one of Kim's brothers in Macao, they will install him as leader and the he will reform the country along the Chinese model with Chinese backing.
>>70018989
the surrounding countries
you don't know that they are pissed at china?
cause china wants to claim them as their own?
>>70019088
this would be the least disruptive thing to do
>>70019099
They kinda already did. They OWN most of them.
>>70018989
Well, Taiwan does. And Xinjang and Tibet want to be independent. Mongolia has a beef to settle. India has some revenge to take for the 1976 war.
Its possible, but not likely.
>>70019223
then why did america send a fleet of carriers into "chinese" waters?
>>70019087
How would visiting another state make a difference in their situation? If he visits and there is a revolt, he essentially loses his post and the previous argument applies. He is on a sinking ship and he can't really get off it. That's why they are dangerous.
>>70019300
Mongolia is literally irrelevant to China. It is big on the map but it has a tiny population. China would just overrun it.
>>70019099
Uh, like who? Are you referring to the disputes over the islands? Or the Tibet/Taiwan independence thing? Even a full-out coalition of Indonesia/Malaysia/Tibet/Taiwan couldn't last more than 2 weeks against the Chinese military.
>>70018871
in that case the Vice Chairman of NDC will take the leading role in their military, the most important org both for the regime and life of regular citizens
they have loads of titles and reserve certain ones to dead supreme leaders like grampa Kim Il Sung has one, papa Kim Jong Il has another and lil'Kim yet another
>all these idiots slurping up american taqiyya
Sure, let's condemn them for fucking with arabs
but nooo, they were right to massacre hundreds of
thousands of gook commies and suspected commies.
>>70019088
As much as I hate 11, if he can pull that off, it would be heroic, the type of real leadership that our own monkey could never imagine.
>>70019300
no one is going to attack a nuclear state now. we will try to help the other oppressed provinces into getting independence, but the chinks are fucking smart, they are sending ethnically han chinese to the tibetian areas and outbreeding tibetians.
There will be no revolution because there won't be any revolutionaries to begin win.
China can only break from within, the most we can do is apply external pressure.
>>70019301
To show that they care. Those waters saw mostly Chinese traffic for a long time.
It doesn't change the fact that China is the place to go for most of these countries when it comes to building shit, buying shit or selling shit.
>>70018871
forgot source
>From 2009, the Chairman of the National Defence Commission became Head of leader of DPR Korea. Since 2012, the First Chairman of the National Defence Commission became Head of leader. UN Protocol and Liaison service lists Kim Jong Un as an official head of state.
source is UN: https://www.un.int/protocol/sites/www.un.int/files/Protocol%20and%20Liaison%20Service/hspmfm.pdf
>>70015881
>take the best NK has
Operation Paperclip 3.0
>>70019338
if he goes to russia, for example, for a few days, do you really think, that the people would know that ?
>>70019590
and then why did china back down on its rhetoric
>also all these idiots who think war is about numbers
Material faggots, material not numbers. What good
is bln and a half footmen when the rest of the world will jump in and shell them all to vapor?
>>70019869
What rhetoric?
>>70019645
thx for the link. Thats exactly the thing i said before. As he is the official head of the state he has diplomacy immunity all over the world. This means, that for him, every step he makes is NK soil for him, as he has the highest diplomacy status there is.
Stupid China. I thought they were stronger than to simply be a puppet of the West. Once the Chinese realize the true power they hold, they will be an unmatched force. Unfortunately, it seem, they are further from this realization than I anticipated.
>>70019879
>russia has the most nukes
>russia is allied with china
Gee, you muslim scum, I wonder why they wouldnt nuke the chinks.
>>70019959
"dis oul watel"
>>70017656
>>70020020
It's like you miss the fact that China's way of doing things isn't exactly waving their tiny cocks and flexing muscles everywhere.
>>70020218
It still is though. Did the islands sink? Did they remove the missiles?
>>70019962
so did Pinochet and countless others, that status and the immunity it carries can be revoked as soon as he gets officially replaced in case he decides to flee, which is most likely
the kid was raised in the comforts of Switzerland, I don't think he'll have second thoughts when leaving the sinking ship like the rat that he is
>>70020087
>a netherland calls me a muslim
ehuehueuheuheuh the irony
Gooks have nukes as well faggot, you can't use
nukes against a nuke nation. At least not openly.
>>70020277
if it was theirs, then why don't they kick us out?
>>70020417
Because they're smarter than you. They are waiting
for a good chance to do so.
what if there are rebels in NK its just thei are good ate keepingit a secret
I've heard that if the mineral wealth of Best Korea was combined with the industrial power of Worst Korea it would have a higher GDP than France and Germany by 2050
>>70009995
He's still alive and he weighs 300 pounds apparently.
>>70020506
There probably weren't. Would you rebel against
good leadership?
>>70020417
Bad for business.
>>70012096
>so they can surrender and be free
captain cuck strikes again
>>70020400
chinks could, they have a supposedly working ABM system; norks don't have ABM and certainly don't have maneuverable MIRV warheads to make sure at least some of them penetrate the defenses; the only way I see the possibility of nork nukes reaching their target is >>70015207
>>70020617
look even the Poles are smarter than you
>>70020417
>>70019790
He took a train to Russia the last time. He doesn't enjoy the ease of travel other, less controversial have. It will take him a week to take a train to Moscow. He is fucked.
>>70020777
you mean the trans siberian train ?
I did this a few years ago. If you dont enjoy this kind of travelling you wont enjoy traveling at al.
>>70009995
Hahaha no.
>>70020741
You really think a war that escalated to the
point of nuclear armament would play out
that way? At that point it doesn't matter whether
you have nukes or not.
>>70015207
>yuro country doesn't know how kenetic interception works
Ballistic interception is preformed just after the launch phase, beyond that and into the inverted travell phase is extremely hard to hit (impossible with the newest Russian icbm's) and you have literally thousandths of a percent to preform a shoot down once the missiles orbital and Agies can't even track MIRV's once they've re-entered. Not to mention
>agies
>kinetic interception
>mirv cloud
>need to actually hit individual warheads
>literally like shooting at swarms of ants across a field that are moving as fast as a nigg on the way to Tooney Tuesday
>>70021135
Sorry for the shit typos. Phone autocorrect and typing is trash.
>>70020531
I could absolutely see this being true. NK is sitting on a fuck tonne of valuable undeveloped mineral resources, while SK has relatively few natural resources but God-tier economic development. Combine the two and they'd be a force to be reckoned with. Japan would be left in the dust and China/Korea would drive the Asian market.
Speaking of anti-nuke techniques, how far away from
country-wide castle-style bunkers do you think we
are? Especially when you take into account that
we're already heading the way of country-wide
walls.
Or domes like Dalaran or Simpsons' springfield?
>>70008419
I remember Trump being asked the question about how to deal with North Korea and he answered "through China".
Is he already running the place?
>>70021533
what kind of thing is BiH telling us :?
>>70021075
norks might take desperate measures even though they are unfit logistically to carry out any kind of prolonged warfare, I'm saying they have no chance of suceeding in the sense of final victory, perhaps only causing max damage but that's all
>>70021135
IIRC Chinese successfully shot down a very fast moving satellite, the size and speed of which is pretty comparable to a warhead but you're right about my lack of knowledge on actual BM interception; point is norks have much more to lose in this game than anyone else while their foes are somewhat equipped to deal with the worst of scenarios - I'm certain US forces won't sit idly by either should norks try to pull a fast one
>>70021241
the bias here is Seoul is assigned with "God-tier economic development" merely because it's economy is merged with (and compromised by) Wall Street while Best Korea's does not, when China's AIIB could simply pour in the capital needed for Pyongyang to put it up to speed with Seoul/Tokyo hell Shanghai, and the dragon bloc would have the best of both worlds.
The obvious question is why hasn't Beijing done this already, the obvious answer is Washington is doing its utmost to keep it from happening. What if Pyongyang's GDP exceeds Seoul by 2070? Who loses, who wins? Kek.
>>70012609
The only thing being choked in relation to Russia is it's imperialist notions.
If they just play nice, everything will be fine.
I admit that we are the bully at the table, but there are many others at the table that WISH they could be the big bully, and it doesn't really do anything but make it harder on them, us and everyone else.
>>70021533
Not.
Nuclear shelters are extremely expensive to make. Not because surviving nuclear blasts are THAT hard but because of the complexity and maintenance required.
For the thing to not collapse especially if it's going to be near or under an airburst there's still a lot of energy transferred into the ground. So the entire bunker would have to move like 3-4 feet unrestricted on either side. The hydraulics or springs required to do that would be insane.
That's why nuclear bunkers are usually built far away from targets or are the beefiest things ever.
Sheer NBC and kinetic survivability isn't cold war anymore, you can build a decent one in your backyard for a couple $10k but you'd obviously need a decent structural engineer.
Nukes aren't... Well... "Nukes". It's not a 'drop and everything ever is blown the fuck up'. Most large cities require 10+ warheads to completely level, and even in New York a single warhead on a good day could only kill MAYBE 100k people if in Manhattan.
>>70018926
>you don't think mexico wouldn't try some shit if america was being invaded?
K E K
E
K
HAHAHAHAHA
Geopolitics isn't a fucking grand strategy game, idiot.
>>70022000
>The only thing being choked in relation to Russia is it's imperialist notions.
that's exactly what's going to happen with China.
India has been making moves against China and Pakistan in recent months. I am assuming we have some sort of agreement with the US.
I just have a feeling.
>>70012774
>>70012967
It might be a struggle, but the Koreans are made of stern stuff and their work ethic is literally top tier.
If the NK regime collapsed and the UN helped guide them to reunification with SK, they'd be up to speed in about 20 years.
>>70011467
>hugely worth it because if North Korea were to fall the Americans would have their forces directly on China's border.
Like with current state of China military dragon fucking cares. Strong don't fear the weak.
>>70021533
supposedly there is such a bunker in myanmar, I remember reading about it on Jane's or Globalsecurity some years ago
remember those Yugo objects? Željava underground airbase, ARK Konjic, shelter near Vladičin Han, bunker in Gotenica, Topčider, Slatine etc; most were designed to withstand nuclear warfare but none of them were interconnected with underground tunnels
>>70020617
>looking like a bitch
>this is good for business
>>70022220
they would lose all theire work ethics after being introduced to western culture
>>70008419
JUST
>>70022511
NUKE.
>>70021755
That's fair enough but warhead trajectories aren't static. They can be changed and shooting down a satlite is much easier. Calculating it's movement is High school level 2d physics whereas even the best ballistic computers on earth can only simulate re entry to a 20% accuracy at best in a half hour time frame, which is about the total time to ground zero (the more accurate you get the far longer it takes).
Anti missile systems are huge memes. The Russian one is the only one that "kind of" works because it's nuclear tipped. So you don't need to hit to preform a shoot down but even then shooting down mirv clouds is very hard even when you have a 5km sphere of acceptable error to work with with a nuclear tipped abm.
>>70022098
>Nuclear shelters
Not talking about nuclear shelters. Also not talking
about protecting from bombs I'm talking about preventing anyone being able to gift you one.
Like a gamechanger, a defense system that makes
nukes obsolete.
>>70022122
Helping Texas secede after the Washington nigger
provokes an enemy Texas doesn't have is enough.
>>70022220
UN?
You mean western powers?
How the fuck k UN can apply sanctions and never apply sanctions to US?
The UN should care about NK?
>>70022703
Because the US supplies the biggest part of UN funding.
>>70022181
>Pakistan
I feel like this country should not exist.
Islam needs to be hemmed in to the ME and slowly whittled away.
It's literally a goddamned death cult.
>>70022703
UN == NATO == USA and cucks
>>70022826
Pakistan probably would exist because, well I guess
it's probably a geographic term not a national one.
Muslims in it shouldn't exist - there I fixed that for you.
>>70022931
Heh what am I saying muslims shouldn't exist anywhere.
>>70009835
>NK literally theatens to bathe China in nuclear hellfire
>'woah wtf china isnt giving them missile materials??'
>>70014638
you are poo poo land
>>70022584
sounds reasonable; have you studied defense professionally or are you an enthusiast?
>>70008419
"They don't want to say it, but China totally controls North Korea."
-Dolan J, Trump
>>70022703
The UN and the IMF have been preparing for reunification for decades, chico. There is a great deal of money set away for when the day comes, and there have been numerous plans drawn up to ease the cultural friction when reunification eventually does occur.
>>70022703
This. >>70022821
We also fund almost all of NATO and we donate as much to international charity as the rest of the world combined.
When I say we need the cooperation of the UN, I mean China and Russia, not just Western Europe, Japan and SK.
With their support (or at least their lack of interference), I think it would be smoother than most people would imagine.
>>70022826
The only reason it exists is because USA had it's need for strategic position in the middle east, and India wanted to be good goys and gave it back it's land when we won the war.
They had America's backing, they could have easily surpassed us because initially their GDP per capita was higher than us, they could have become the next power house, but instead the fuckers took all that funding from USA and sent it to arm terrorists and destabilize India.
now those same terrorists are destroying Pakistan.
They had Bangladesh (then East pakistan) ffs. India was sandwiched between China, Pak, Bangladhesh (east pak) and still the fuckers chose to not grow but to genocide their people.
There is a region called baluchistan , they don't consider themselves pakis, it is 1/3rd part of pak, and if they get independence, pak is ogre.
>>70022970
>anywhere
I'm not a religious fag, but Islam is a pox on humanity.
>>70022931
>would exist
Yea, it's not the country and it's borders that are the issue.
It's the evil death cult that controls it.
>>70022584
Russian anti-nuke-nukes are hilarious. Neutron bombs that are specifically designed to pulse radiation to cause sympathetic detonation of inbound warheads.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/53T6
Like you said, they're also the only type of technology that has a chance of defeating a MIRV cluster with associated decoys/chaff/avoidance.
>>70014594
>> second Korean war begins - US back SK, NK gets destroyed in a matter of weeks due to lack of resources
the war never ended, it's a cease fire atm.
I think you meant that the korean war resumes.
>>70023521
>is ogre
I approve of anything that stems the muzzie tide.
>>70020970
It could have been his dad, though. I don't think they did it for the fun of it. He had his own train. I think they are afraid to fly, because the plane can get shut down. Or their friends could plant explosives on the plane.
>>70022595
My bad, sorry.
To be able to preform shootdowns with even a resonable exchange rate (ie not the current launching 10 abm's per icbm which is retarded because everyone has 100x more icbm's than abm's) you'd have to
A) weaponize space, shooting down in orbit from orbit is literally grade school. But very illegal and everyone would get angry. Plus Russia and the States would have an infinite advantage over anyone else for 100 years.
B) Develop not shit missiles but America cannot into missiles and Russia is broke. Everyone else is a meme
C) make a bigger weapons that would be used instead because they're better
D) Magnets and fire
>>70008419
The norks tested the nuke for china, this is all just a ruse. Both countries benefit from the norks taking the blame, the norks get to act tough and feel safe while china gets its nuke program green ticked.
>>70022465
nigger are you crazy those people are literally starving
>>70023116
Both. Not my current field of work but I used to be in a few higher up defence think tanks.
>>70008419
this dosent have anything to do with china becoming a sheep more in the actual world order
where they obey USA
right?
-hey i got the nukies!
>>70023676
This is the region i'm talking about, if they lose it, their connection to Iran is GG, they have a hostile nation on two sides now, they already have problems with afghanistan also.
too bad that the pakistani army is supressing the movement
>>70011467
Fuck you're a retard. If North Korea collapses there is no need the American base. Their sole purpose was for North Korea. On paper that's what it is. Of course there other benefits for America to have a base there.
The collapse of North Korea would greatly help South Korea and China relationships.
>>70017140
Hnnnnnng
>>70024218
anons never cease to amaze, and on mongolian throat singning imageboard of all places
you should make a thread about that think tank work if you can, I'm certain anons would appreciate a peek into that world
>>70010115
>>70010510
He probably meant the plans to do this. As of today, China just formalized what and which companies they are sanctioning.
Never thought shit is gonna go down because of best korea. I have alwayys thought north korea as non important shithole, maybe like a meme that every nation just laughs at.
Maybe this will elaborate towards Nato-Russia-China conflict. Battlefield 4 scenario anyone?
>>70024966
On paper it's there for NK
In reality it's there for China
>Taiwan over militarization
>S.K over militarization
>Japan re militarization
>Philippians over militarization
Yfw the biggest wall under construction in the 2010's isn't Trumps wall, but actually the "Holy shit pls contain China" wall of countries.
>>70025334
Yea that's what I meant.
Imagine when the North falls, though. We're going to have memes and reaction images for years based on photos and video of N.Koreans being completely exposed to what the world has become in the last 60 years.
China have been making plans to deal with NK for almost 3 years now. It's not even a secret thing, their government has been completely above board with it.
They do want the buffer zone, but they want a puppet state, not a nuclear armed Rogue state. In all likelihood if Kimmy doesn't play ball China is going to bump off the NK government and implement a more controllable regime.
Nothing major will happens, simply because China cannot afford to let anything major happen. If they do, America moves in, and they lose their buffer zone. China has every reasons to be proactive in this case.
>>70025334
They're some good boys, that lot.
>>70025621
Most of them know. A bunch of people got executed about 2 years ago because they got caught with South Korean soap operas, which have apparently become really popular in NK.
>>70024218
>>70025334
is a major conflict between China/allies and the West/allies likely?
how will Australia be involved?
>>70026241
A better reaction then would be freeing the people in Kim's concentration camps. Imagine being born and spending your entire life in one only to be given freedom one day out of the blue.
>>70026261
As a staging ground for long range strategic bombers.
>>70008419
Good for China.
