>>69895851
OLD THREAD
>>69895851
JIDF got to the last thread any and all holohoax related shit goes here
>>69902519
Oy vey, antisemite!
>>69902519
>>69902839
>>69902519
Oy gevalt
>>69902839
Goyim.
>>69902591
>David Irving, historian
>Jürgen Graf, Ph.D history
>Ernst Zündel, writer
>Fred Leuchter, chemical engineer/historian
>William Pierce, Ph.D physics
>Kevin MacDonald, Ph.D psychology
>Arthus Buts, Ph.D electrical engineering
To mention a few. Not that hard mate. These people were brave enough to come out with the truth despite it being illegal. True heroes!
>>69903258
Hm, most of them is German. Very bad goyims.
Sadly it got archived
>>69904834
Give me one legitimate reason why nazis didn't shoot the kikes on the spot, faggot. Why would they prefer to burden their funds, infrastracture and personel, rather than just shooting them?
>>69904991
I think schlomos gone to shill elsewhere but this
>Want to 'exterminate' race
>Construct elaborate gas chambers and death camps as opposed to bullets in their skulls
>>69903258
Don't forget:
>Germar Rudolf, PhD chemistry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbiWPtT7TAI
>David Cole, jewish filmmaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmYFpiCo1-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjA4OSQXcNk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxAvpvz_4wQ
http://germarrudolf.com/germars-views/302-the-rudolf-report-expert-report-on-chemical-and-technical-aspects-of-the-gas-chambers-of-auschwitz/
>>69902519
It's nice to see this thread. Feels like we haven't discussed this in a while.
Somewhat related, when's the last time we had a p e d o w o o d thread?
>>69904485
I'm talking about the "lack of a substantially sharp decline" of jewish population during WWII. All but the Meyers Handlexicon have jewish population clock in at about 15.6 million jews from 1925-1949 and it isn't until 5 years or so after the war that they catch up to this decline. It still leaves 2 million unexplained which is peculiar but loss of jews in individual countries in Europe add up to the right number nonetheless.
>>69903258
Seriously, none of these people has a PhD in History. Not even Jürgen Graf. The fact that no one with a PhD in history will support Holocaust denial is itself strong evidence that denial is the domain of crackpots. You know clearly that someone with a PhD in materials engineering is not qualified to teach classes on generative linguistics, and someone with a PhD in Medieval French Literature is not qualified to write about nuclear physics. You need to accept this and stop listing people with irrelevant qualifications (though it does undermine your argument and credibility if you do keep listing such people).
>>69905219
Well that's the fucking thing; if you want to exterminate, you do it efficiently and on the fucking spot.
During nazi occupation in Greece, the nazis wiped out entire villages after getting ambushed, just to make a fucking point. Atrocities were no stranger to nazis. They could shoot kikes on every occupied village/city in the whole fucking europe, nothing would happen, no-one would remeber it and they would have fucking pulled it off.
If the objective was to wipe the fuckers out, why do it in the stupidest possible way?
That's a fucking question that they will NEVER adress because it demolishes their arguement in seconds
>>69905448
David Duke is a PhD.
>>69905565
You're actually arguing:
>I don't think it could've happened
>Seems too hard
>In my head it didn't happen
>So it didn't happen
The trouble is that this is not an exercise in formal analysis of an abstract problem. It's a historical matter that involves massive amounts of evidence that it did happen, like the million pages from the Nuremberg Trials. That evidence needs to be your starting point and you can work systematically through that evidence and show that it is fraudulent or misinterpreted or that the "Jewish Question" and "Final Solution" were just ironic joke phrases. But whatever you do, you need to deal with the existing evidence. If you ignore evidence and argue from "what's in my head," then you come across as someone who isn't very good at recognizing the world outside of your own head, i.e. you come across as solipsistic and/or autistic. That might be the underlying situation we're dealing with here.
OP of this thread and >>69895852 here im off to bed but I need other bad goys to keep posting holohoax threads so /pol/ can get back to its roots and trigger any Jidf cucks
>>69905448
>The fact that no one with a PhD in history will support Holocaust denial is itself strong evidence that denial is the domain of crackpots.
Or that academia is as tightly controlled ideologically as the media. By calling them names you just act as an agent of that hegemonic ideological authority. If this isn't something you're aware of, that showing interest in samizdat ideas ruins your career, prevents you from graduating, etc, then you're either:
>heavily indoctrinated within a reality bubble
>just a liar
Either way, your statement is a compound fallacy. Unpack it for yourself if you have the skill.
>>69905565
This only answer I've gotten on this is that nazi's wanted free labor. Seems like they would have had plenty of goyims to use as slaves, but whatever.
>>69906023
Shit ignore the reply in the last reply
>>69905998
No he's arguing that this entire scenario doesn't make any logical sense.
The reason this is still a debate is because there is no undeniable proof that there were death camps. There isn't any hard evidence period.
>>69905709
>David Duke
No he's not:
"In September 2005, Duke received a Candidate of Sciences degree in history from the Ukrainian Interregional Academy of Personnel Management (MAUP), an institution that has been described by the Anti-Defamation League as a "University of Hate". Duke's doctoral thesis was titled "Zionism as a Form of Ethnic Supremacism". "
He worked with a disreptable Ukrainian group and now likes to lie about his qualifications. Makes you wonder what else he lies about, doesn't it?
You, however, have a specially conferred degree in retardation.
Got a question for those who know science stuff, was the Fred Leuchter report valid?
>>69905448
>Seriously, none of these people has a PhD in History
Oops, looks like you're a liar.
> "Graf studied philology at the University of Basel; English, Romance and Scandinavian studies, and in 1979 completed his licentiate."
pic related
>>69906029
>The academic world is also one massive conspiracy
>No one who has a PhD would ever be brave enough to tell the truth
>Not even people with PhDs who no longer work in the academic world -- that's how far the tentacles of this perverse conspiracy reach.
You seem mad about something, like having had some bad experiences in your education, perhaps including rejection. No need to make this argument about bad things that have happened to you earlier in life.
>>69906320
Philology =/= History. They're different fields. You don't seem very smart, anon.
>>69906435
>not refuting his points
>attacking him for no reason
Kill yourself
>>69906835
Can you explain? His point was that the academic world is controlled in a conspiratorial fashion. If you know how the academic world works, you know this is a nonsensical conspiracy theory. Furthermore, once you have a PhD in history, you're welcome to do whatever you want with it -- you can retire on family money and write Holocaust denial books, if you want. But not a single history PhD in the whole world has done anything like this, Pretty interesting consensus, don't you think?
And seriously, if you think his argument can be elaborated further, then please do so. I'm very open minded and would be interested to hear more of how you think this might stop the "truth" of the Holocaust coming out.
>>69907183
Probably because people with PhDs don't want to lose their reputation and be labelled as "ebul shoah deniers".
>>69906435
>>69907375
Those who work in universities might face problems. But there are two massive reasons why your argument is unconvincing.
One is the tenure system. This is designed to give professors absolute job security after they've passed a rigorous series of tests, usually involving five or six years of productive research post-PhD and around two books of international importance. Once tenure is granted, they're free to speak their minds entirely in their professional fields -- without being fired. This guarantees a degree of freedom of research. The only way they can be sacked is in cases of professional misconduct. If Holocaust denial really did have some serious intellectual appeal, then professors with tenure would be investigating it.
The second point is that once you have a history PhD, you can do whatever the fuck you want. You're no longer necessarily in academia. A lot of people go on to be freelance writers or popular historians or research consultants. None of these people in the whole world have adopted a Holocaust denial position. This should be an indication to the rest of the world that this position is not convincing to anyone at all with full professional qualifications in the field.
>>69907928
>none of these people in the whole world
Citations needed
>>69905448
Fred Leuchter, the chemical engineer, would have a PHD if he wasn't kicked out of uni for writing a book on how the gas chambers never contained deadly doses after he examined them.
>>69906696
>Philology =/= History. They're different fields
Oh, you're arguibg that only people TRAINED in history are capable of producing legitimate historical research. You're right, i'm not terribly smart. I should go burn these works of history on my shelves that pre-date the existence of the modern university.
What would we do without smart anons like you, sir? We'd be sleepwalking through life. Truly.
>>69907928
>Those who work in universities might face problems. But there are two massive reasons why your argument is unconvincing.
tl;dr
It's a crime to deny the holocaust. Nearly all the people on that list have spent time in priosn, been barred international travel, or had their careers ended and credentials revoked to supress them.
Are you paying attention now?
>>69908470
Actually that name sounds off, a bit of googling and I was thinking of Germar Rudolf.
>>69905448
There is a guy from New Zealand oy vey actually it's the whole university full on nazis
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p21_thesis.html
>>69908400
No evidence needed for a negative proposition. The onus is on you (though I'll save you time -- the evidence you want doesn't exist).
>>69908470
Thanks for confirming the point. Leuchter had an undergrad degree in an unrelated field. The court dismissed him as lacking expertise.
>>69908585
Being a historian is a professional expertise. No person in the world with a PhD in history has supported Holocaust denial. What do you make of that, anon?
>>69908842
Summary for semiliterates:
1. Professors with tenure have freedom to speak (within the laws of their country).
2. People with PhDs in history can work and write in other fields.
Still the problem is that no one with professional expertise in history is willing to entertain Holocaust denial. This should let you guys know that it's the domain of crackpots and people who wearing unusually shiny hats.
Stop looking at the names, stop making appeals to authority, arguments as populam, stop with the red herrings and weaseling. Study the EVIDENCE THEY PRESENT, then EVALUATE their claims and reasoning. Stop flailing for excuses NOT TO HAVE TO LOOK. At the very least, try to debunk what they say, seriously, by studying them then debunking them. To do otherwise is pure intellectual dishonesty, and no one owes it you to argue anything but the facts they present, not who they are or adhoms and smears.
Explain why an 80 year olf woman needs to be in prison for this interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPa_QeV9KDM
Or why David Cole had to change his name and flee Jewish zealots who put hits out on him, for years:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjA4OSQXcNk
If you can't discuss these things, if it's all just obviously not worth looking at at all, then you're not even worth speaking to. Just go your own way, think whatever helps you sleep or function.
>>69909406
>Thanks for confirming the point.
>>69909013
>>69909681
Rudolph doesn't have a PhD and his expertise is not in history. Still, the point remains that no one with a history PhD is a Holocaust denier. You guys should all know that this is a killer point and that citing the PhDs of people in other fields (almost all science) doesn't help. Anyone who has spent time in a university knows that the science halls usually have a few nutjobs who are very competent at conducting chemical experiments but have some weirdass political opinions and are not very well read, much less competently trained, in a field like history.
tl;dr: don't read scientists writing history
Seriously? A quick google search shows that Henry Flescher is an actual holocaust survivor that did several interviews in the past. You can find him on Holocaust Documentation and Education Center's website.
>>69909438
your arguments need not be evaluated, it's well known that if you hate jews you are likely to be receptive to holocaust denial facts. that is the biggest predictor as to whether or not you will readily accept psuedohistorical bullshit
some of this shit is hilarious
pic related
>He'd make prisoners jump from roofs with umbrellas
requesting more funny accounts like this
>>69910599
hi Chaim ;)
>>69910303
Rudolf was kicked out of his PHD because of his holocaust denial.
His expertise was in chemistry which directly related to his denial. I don't give a fuck what a historian has to say about the chemical staining of the concrete in a gas chamber.
Fuck you're a retard.
>>69912954
True, and rightfully he was kicked out, since he was trying to use some far-fetched chemistry to further a political aim. If he really cared about the denial of the Holocaust as a problem, he should've done a PhD relevant to that problem. He sounds like a big fraud. And anon, does it concern you that no history PhD has pursued Holocaust denial? Does it worry you that David Irving's work was shown to be so full of faults, errors, and lies after it was put under intense scrutiny? I would've thought all these details would be warning signs to naive anons, who might say "Fuck, these people look like a bunch of scammers, haters, liars, and disreputable sorts who shouldn't be trusted."
>>69913668
>far-fetched chemistry
And confirmed without a shadow of a doubt as bait.
>>69914696
A genuine PhD would try to develop a new technology or technique that has multiple applications. An insincere PhD with an agenda is only interested in one point whose value is outside the field of the PhD (i.e. political and not chemical value). If you can see this, you can see that Rudolf is not a serious researcher: he's a man with a chip on his shoulder. This is the kind of info that lets us know whether he's academically serious or some sort of shyster.
>>69902519
>tfw my great grandpas were a Major and Captain respectively in the Soviet army and raped plenty of German women after killing their men
>tfw when 100% ethnically Jewish and am currently dating a blonde-haired and blue eyed, aryan girl
feels good man
>>69915064
He was a fucking chemist (was because he got fired), he got into chemistry for his own personal reasons. He would've had a PHD if he wasn't kicked out for denying.
He completely believed in the holohoax until he decided to one day check the gas chambers. He used proven methods and the result proved they weren't death chambers.
Enjoy your denial and the extra $5 from shilling you fuckin poof.
>>69915656
Should've used his chemistry background to pursue a chemistry-focused program, then. And obviously he was a holohauxer; if not, there's no reason to go around doing chemical composition tests on gas-chamber walls. You're too easily deceived, anon.
>>69915656
>poof
explain yourself
>>69905448
>implying a degree in history will give you the necessary knowledge to determine whether the Holocaust happened or not
Fuck off, seriously.
>I survived 7 nazi death camps!
>Were you an imprisoned jew?
>Of course not, I was the electrician.
>>69905448
>le pay shekels for a degree man
How dare anyone do research beyond the confines of the sanctioned instituion!
You sound like a fucking religious nutter
