>GOP denies Trump the nomination
>Trump runs as third party candidate
Will he win?
No chance, but it will split the GOP vote in two
No chance. It would split the GOP vote in every state and lead to a democratic landslide
>>69837008
No, because it's nearly impossible to vote third party because our electoral process is a fucking joke.
>>69837008
Better question:
Both Sanders and Trump get shafted, both run as third party candidates.
Now who wins?
>>69838415
Fuck
idk
>>69838415
They merge forces, the nationalist and the socialism, to become national-socialists!
Oh, wait...
>>69838415
Either Sanders or Trump.
The Establishment can go fuck itself.
>>69837008
Nope because idiotic old people just check off Red or Blue.
He will split the vote and more or less hand the presidency to Hillary (Bernie stands no chance)
>>69837008
No.
Hillary is the favorite. The party is already divided enough as it is, any shenanigans now would certainly hand her the election.
>>69837008
No, and Hillary will win, just like Bill won with his buddy Ross splitting the Republican vote.
It'd a rerun of the Bush/Clinton/Perot election.
>>69838415
>What happens?
I buy globes in bulk and have a bonfire, laughing maniacally and drunkenly with my friends, and put it on YouTube.
>>69837008
no, are you retarded?
>>69839046
Kek, perfect
>>69839548
>buddy Ross
Ross Perot was probably one of the best presidential candidates of my lifetime.
>>69838415
the apocalypse. Hillary Clinton drains the lifeforce of Sanders and Trump, and becomes Clintonald Sandary. First will come the black sky, and then the demons will roam the Earth.
>>69838415
Vote would be split to the point that there's no clear winner, so the house would then get to vote for the president, which would most likely be the Republican choice. Either way, the establishment always wins.
>>69837008
>>GOP denies Trump the nomination
>>Trump runs as third party candidate
>Will he win?
They ONLY way this can work is if the vote gets split on both sides
I always said it was possible, plausible, and even probable.
If the populists REALLY want to take the White house, they are going to have to go around the two parties, end of story.
It would be far better for Trump to cut a deal with Sanders, which would equalize the vote-splitting.
Actually that would be a better deal than even mainstream nomination, seeing as how each can pull about a quarter, leaving a 4 horse race with closer margins for victory for each candidate. Not to mention a real reason to live, otherwise fuck it I'm killing myself.
>>69837718
>No, because it's nearly impossible to vote third party because our electoral process is a fucking joke.
this
We don't vote. We have appointed 1% people. The rest is a big farce
You morons. Your votes mean shit.
Electoral fucking college.
>>69837008
No
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sore-loser_law
>>69839959
He was, and he was also probably a Clinton plant.
>>69840643
Who do you think decides who the electoral votes go to?
>>69840706
>In most states, these laws do not apply to presidential candidates
Wow, read your own fucking source.
>>69840283
then congress would get to decide.
>>69840887
>Who do you think decides who the electoral votes go to?
the people in the electoral college
>>69837008
Trump has defied every expectation and has repeatedly come out on top after doing things that the experts "garunteed" would end his campaign.
I won't pretend that I know for sure but some part of me believes this magnificent bastard could actually pull it off
>>69837008
HE CANT RUN AS A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE, YOU FUKING MORON. THE DEADLINES TO REGISTER AS A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE PASSED LAST MONTH.
DONT CUT CIVICS CLASS NEXT TIME, YOU FUCKING DOPE!
>God, you cunts think youre such deep thinkers, and youre really dumber than a bag of hair
>>69841488
The voters in their states do, dumby
The electoral college was necessary to make sure that each state has a certain amount of voting power in the election
>>69840951
Try reading the very next sentence retard.
>>69841729
at least we got you to educate us
>>69841825
No, it's just another example of how people like you think you have a say when you don't
the elite have their say
you're just along for the ride
>>69837008
Only if Bernie also runs third party. Otherwise he's just handing the presidency to Hillary
>GOP denies Trump the nomination
Would that be the end of the Republican Party?
If Trump wins the most delegates but the GOP won't give him the nomination than even the most southern states would lose absolute confidence in the party
>>69842192
>Would that be the end of the Republican Party?
It's the end of the party one way or another.
Either the Trumpchumps wont show up on election day or the fundie/establishment wont.
>>69838415
Hillary wins as the elites had previously decided. All the elites breathe a sigh of relief as the Trump threat becomes nothing.
>>69837008
Sadly no. But hopefully it will ruin enough Republican careers and result in positive change.
>>69842381
I think you underestimate how much more people loathe a Hillary presidency versus a Trump one.
>>69839186
Sanders would win.
>>69841990
Fat lot of fucking good its doing, obviously
>>69842517
i think you've spent too much time in the /pol/ echochamber and need to realize there are millions of people out there genuinely disgusted by trump, who aren't 18 year old fucking white males
>>69842004
I mean you're a fucking idiot but I guess I'll try to explain it to you
The system is specifically tailored so that the people have a say in how their country is run
They have a limited say given that this is a representative democracy, but they do have their say, and it can have varying impacts on how the country is run, depending on how the people choose to exercise their right to vote and govern themselves
The "elites" will have their own say as well. First they are part of The People, just with vastly greater influence. This influence is usually enough to get what they want, but we have to remember, it's just that: influence. They INFLUENCE the people, their votes, and the politicians that we elect with our votes.
Ultimately the fault for any misgoverning can almost always be lain at the feet of the people, usually through their poor decisions.
Does any of this mean that the people have no say in how they are governed? Well no, and you're basically retarded.
>>69842595
>fucking white males
6/10
>>69842517
The Establishment would rather a Hillary presidency than a Trump one. Shes owned by the same Masters and wants to continue neocon world police policies
http://www.infowars.com/republican-establishment-plans-to-support-hillary/
>>69838415
Still Clinton. Sanders voters and his target demographic are notorious for not actually showing up to vote. Clinton has all the people that actually bother voting, so she'd win with the Republican vote split in half.
>>69837008
I don't understand why people are panicking that the GOP will "deny" Trump anything. Everyone plays by the same rules. If nobody has a MAJORITY OF DELEGATES (not MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE, a MAJORITY) then the process goes to a contested convention.
Everyone knew this getting into the race. It is not incumbent upon the GOP to push any candidate to the majority; that is the job for the candidates and their campaigns.
The delegate selection process is open to lobbying and negotiations-- two things Trump is supposed to be MAGNIFICENT at. He can go and try to stack the convention with people who will support him on a second ballot, but he doesn't seem to be making an effort to do so; Cruz is instead.
Honestly, Trump isn't acting like someone who wants to win all that badly. Cruz is playing cutthroat politics, and Trump needs to do what he's best at: negotiate the hell out of things so that he can get the delegates on the convention floor that he needs to secure the nomination.
Now, if there are three or four floor votes and you start hearing a few Wisconsin delegates (for instance) cast their next vote for... Paul Ryan, well... then the party will disintegrate, yes, and then Trump has every right to run as third party.
And I don't know what the hell you guys are even debating the sore loser law for; you can register as an independent in most states up until August: https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candidates
Do I think Trump could win as a third party candidate? No, I don't. He may take about half of his strongest supporters, and nobody else. He may pick up a few independents, but I honestly doubt it. He'd siphon off enough republicans to coronate Queen Hillary.
>>69841825
No it isn't.
The electorial college exists because 200 years ago when our nation was first made, counting each individual vote was near impossible.
It's archaic, and useless in the... wait for it... CURRENT YEAR.
>>69840283
>It would be far better for Trump to cut a deal with Sanders, which would equalize the vote-splitting.
LMAO as if this would ever happen. You people are fucking clueless. I hope you all just turned 18 and this is your first election, because the level of political analysis here is embarrassing.
>>69843288
>rules
which are changed on the fly by the party elite
>>69842820
>Sanders voters and his target demographic are notorious for not actually showing up to vote.
What is Michigan?
From what I've seen, Clinton gets her support from soccer moms who go "Oh golly gee, I'd better vote Hillary so I don't offend anyone!" and then proceed to stay home on election day because it is snowy.
>>69837162
>>69837332
shills are apparently paid to say the say thing. are they bots perhaps...?
>>69843288
>Everyone plays by the same rules
Rules decided by the GOPe to favor whatever candidate they want. But the GOPe themselves are also free to throw out the rules that will decide on for this election cycle and just pick the candidate they want.
The rules don't fucking matter. They make the rules. They don't even have to follow their own rules if they don't want to.
>>69843950
So why does Hillary have the most votes?
The pathetic edgelords here are loath to admit this, but Hillary voters are the REAL silent majority.
>>69843991
No you would be a total retard to think an independent could win anything other than third place.
>>69844110
>So why does Hillary have the most votes?
Because most of the country, including the two largest states in the union, haven't voted yet?
>>69843288
At this point it's mathematically impossible for anybody but Trump, or Cruz to come out with the necessary delegates.
The problem people are having is that the GOP might run a brokered convention anyway, and fuck their constituents up the ass for their own pick.
Considering how the GOP has treated the people who vote for them in the last few years, I think most people have a legitimate concern.
But what can you expect from a party too concerned with abortion and gay marriage to bother with picking up a broader dedicated voting bloc? This is the last shot for Hillary, but it's also the last chance for the US constitution if we can't get a right-wing POTUS in office to replacing the aging, and dying SCOTUS. A liberal SCOTUS will scour away rights, and it's not like the Bill of Rights has had much luck fending off incursions in the last 16 or so years.
I'm worried that the GOP is pulling another job like they did against Obama in '08 and '12. Purposefully throwing out weak candidates that have no chance in a general election against a populist demagogue, in order to remain the opposition party.
The GOP is smashing Democrats in local elections across the US, but remains tenuous at best for a POTUS election. People are tired of the Democrats, but they're also very tired of the RINO Establishment. Someone like Trump, or Cruz are not a part of the GOP inner circle. Trump is too moderate, and keeps too fond a connection with the working class. Cruz is very much pro constitution, and anti-graft and corruption. Both of these are bad for the Neocons who would rather throw another election than have someone they don't like be their boss.
>>69844472
But Hillary is leading Bernie in NY and CA by double digit margins.
>>69838415
Sanders won't run as a third-party candidate, he's said that if he loses the Democratic nomination he'll drop out to avoid splitting the Democratic vote.
So the republican vote gets split and shillary wins.
>>69837008
1912
>>69840088
underrated
>>69840088
checked and kek'd
>>69837008
No, Gary Johnson will win
>>69837008
Nope but it would be the greatest exodus the Republican Party has ever seen.
>>69838415
Hilary. It's an easy question.
>>69844756
Like she was in Michigan and Washington?
>>69844626
>Cruz is very much pro constitution, and anti-graft and corruption.
BS.
>>69842718
>The Establishment would rather a Hillary presidency than a Trump one. Shes owned by the same Masters and wants to continue neocon world police policies
I wasn't talking about the establishment
>>69842633
>They INFLUENCE the people, their votes, and the politicians that we elect with our votes
People are just too fucking dumb.
They will let themselves be manipulated in all ways possible without dedicating a single second to truly analyse the situation and reaching their own conclusions, so i'll agree with you in that ultimately the fault lies in the people.
>Does any of this mean that the people have no say in how they are governed?
Problem is, if people disagree it doesn't mean the government and elites will hear them. Basically the 'influence' of the elites has the objective of making you feel okay with eating the shit they give you. But if you are not okay it doesn't mean anything, because you won't get the people to move and do something.
I mean, why is that things have become SO fucked up in the first place? Because the people didn't do anything even if the elites pulled whatever bullshit they wanted to pull. For example, the death of JFK was enough of a reason for a revolution to happen in the USA, it didn't. It couldn't.
>>69844626
>Cruz is very much pro constitution
>cough
>What about separation of church and state?
>cough
>>69837008
Yes he has record breaking support, landslide victories
GOP couldn't contest the nomination without telling 70% of America that their vote doesn't matter.
>>69837008
no, it'll guarantee a Democrat victory. Trump being the nominee will probably also guarantee a Democrat victory.
Basically.. a Democrat will be in the White House in 2017, and Trump has single handedly destroyed the Republican party.
>>69843873
>>69844060
Consider their position. They have two real choices at a contested convention; they can leave the rules as they are, or they can change them. This is decided before a single vote is cast-- those are the rules that were designed by the LAST convention, and apply to this one.
They can limit the number of ballots before demanding someone leave the running, if they don't get enough votes on the next ballot, for instance (which would hopefully be used to remove Kasich from the running).
But, honestly, Trump just had a meeting with these guys, and he walked away perfectly happy. Rules can't be changed on the fly; once they're the rules for the convention, they're the rules for the convention.
And you SERIOUSLY overestimate the lengths to which so many people would be willing to commit political suicide to accomplish the task of removing Trump from the race with arbitrary rules (like you must never had said the word "shit" on national television).
The convention process is has had the same basic setup for years. The only rules they make are on the party platform, and any voting rules. They can't disregard everything and say "Uhh.... Him! He's the nominee!" just to spite Trump.
Because you know that the Establishment likes staying in power. This kind of bullshit would remove them from power.
The nominee is going to be either Trump or Cruz; they won't try anything funny to make that happen. Trump just had a meeting with party leaders last week to clear the air with Reince. And it turned out that Trump actually said "We haven't been doing what we needed to do." He walked away happy, and stopped calling Louisiana "unfair."
Trump isn't running a great campaign; he's got ZERO ground game, and it can cost him the nomination. Cruz is scooping up loyal delegates left and right. He very well may stack the whole floor with enough delegates to make the difference at the convention. But that's where it will be decided.
>>69846030
>Because you know that the Establishment likes staying in power. This kind of bullshit would remove them from power.
Seems to me that they align more with Clinton than trump, though.
>>69845504
Where is that in the US constitution?
>>69846921
Of course they align with Clinton.
The Bourgeoisie have a good thing going with a strawman in office, now there is a strawman supporting the policies they support, and he stands to discredit them in the same way Obama discredited the Liberals.
>>69847247
who is the second strawman?
>>69838415
Then Hillary wins.
>>69845766
Cruz doesn't have chance in hell of defeating Hillary and anyone with a shred of intelligence knows that.
>>69838415
I want this to happen.
>>69847330
Trump!
He may have good policies, Hell, he might even Make America Great Again. But a ton of people HATE him, and as such his presidency would be doomed from the start.
>>69847487
by current polling, only Kasich has any chance to defeat Hillary in the general.. and frankly, he probably wouldn't be able to either.
>>69838415
the jews
>>69847225
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
Like it or not, detaining Muslims, limiting Muslim immigration, patrolling Muslim neighborhoods, putting the Bible in schools, and forcing women to consult with a pastor before an abortion are all in direct conflict with this.
>>69845766
>a Democrat will be in the White House in 2017
Yellen the felon won't be able to stop the market from breaking badly.
You really think a democract and an extension of the obama administation can stay in office after a possible worse finical crises than 2008?
>>69846921
If they wanted Hillary to win, they just have to let Trump get the nomination, then sit back and do nothing. WIthout the support of the RNC to fund all of this shit, it's going to be a long-ass uphill battle for him, and he still could lose big.
The RNC isn't going to risk fucking with a contested convention because they have to think long-term. You're thinking about Trump for President. They're thinking about defending all of the republican seats in the House, and defending 24 republican Senate seats while the Democrats only risk ten. If they turn off the whole party by bringing in someone else, it will fuck up the ticket on a state level, too.
They're smart enough to know that.
>Jeb Bush is given the nomination.
>His VP is Donald Trump
Would you vote for him?
>>69844799
But wouldn't he do it, if Trump split the republicans?
>>69847856
Finish the sentence you jewish rat.
Also the constitution only applies to citizens
No chance.
>>69848422
>Finish the sentence you jewish rat.
Okay, sure. Why not?
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
>Also the constitution only applies to citizens
Haha, that's pretty funny coming from you, nip. Either way, the debate is whether or not Cruz is a Constitutionalist, and I am saying he is not.
>>69842820
Just like in Nevada, eh?
>>69837008
He won't win even if he gets the nomination
>>69848252
>They're smart enough to know that.
Smart? Sending in helicopters and SWAT teams to conventions to arrest Ron Paul delegate voters without charges is smart — especially when they was caught on video and put on the national news and the Internet?
RNC leaders may be many things but smart does not seem to be one of them. Fortunately for them they can rely on the passivity of their "base"
>>69838415
The splits on all parties would be big enough that the fact that voting for the Dem or Republican nominee being with the majority could seriously not be true. If everyone voted for whoever they support instead of thinking along party lines, Sanders would have the most votes of anyone. Before I get called out for the typical "cuck," "shill," "reddit," or "free stuff," I'd like to point out that he blow away everyone in favorability polls. If the worry about vote splitting crosses all major parties, then the Dems and Republicans both lose.
>>69838415
I actually want Sanders to keep winning this way he will get fucked by the super delegates, and be super salty, run third Party divided the dem vote, hopefully Trump is the nominee wins in a landslide. MAGA
>>69849520
Sanders in only in it to drum up support for Hillary with young people.
>>69849591
yeah seems right
at the end he'll be like LISTEN UP FOLKS HILLARY STILL MIGHT GIVE YOU SUM OF THAT FREE STUFF
>>69839046
Underrated comment.
>>69843288
why would ANY Trump supporter not support Trump if he ran third party? i dont understand why you guys keep saying he wouldnt STILL win by a longshot...
>>69849749
Have you seen the way they are going at it, though? I remember the Obama v Clinton debates, and those were called particularly nasty at the time. Those were nothing compared to the fighting we are seeing now.
>>69839046
>>69847856
>limiting Muslim immigration
>unconstitutional
Nope.
>>69848173
when the Republican Candidates leave as bad a taste in the mouth as Trump and Cruz? Yup.
>>69837008
This is the most likely outcome.
No Trump will not win then, but the Republican party will die from this fallout. From its ashes a newer, better party can hopefully rise.
>>69850241
Limiting immigration at all is unconstitutional, man.
>>69837008
red/blue is too ingrained for a 3rd party to win, what will happen is the republican vote gets split and shillary wins so you can fuck up your country even more.
>>69840887
> and he was also probably a Clinton plant
Do you think Trump might possibly be a Clinton plant also? I was really starting to believe in Trump until recently. The stuff I've been watching him say and do really makes me think he might be a Clinton plant that's just running to destroy the Republican party.
>>69839765
This is the only correct answer.
>>69850388
so much mythology
Carter poured almost a trillion dollars into the Middle East to fund Islamic jihad
and people think we have "two" parties
We have one party with two bickering factions
When it comes to the big stuff they are very united, like when they passed Gramm Leach Bliley to let big finance loot the public via the housing bubble
>>69847856
actually any entity seeking to overthrow the government may be removed as according to the potus...
>>69837008
>>69844626
one of the few intelligent posters on /pol/.
You and I both know Cruz isn't gonna get there though.
>>69850622
>like when they passed Gramm Leach Bliley to let big finance loot the public via the housing bubble
and when the GOP mysteriously lifted its stonewalling of Obamacare at 8 AM the day before Christmas Eve when they thought no one was paying attention, so it could come to a vote and pass
>>69837008
I hope Trump and Sanders run as independent parties. This'll recreate a true multi party voting that America hasnt seen in forever
>>69848319
shit man... yea :/
>>69842820
And if Hillary is serving time in federal prison for espionage?
>>69850787
Sanders talks big and wears his phony socialism sticker but he is only superficially outside the mainstream of the Democratic party. He serves a useful role — providing the illusion of populism.
>>69850725
>Oregon goes to Trump
>Michigan goes to Trump
>Ohio goes to Trump
>Virginia goes to Trump
>Pennsylvania goes to the Republicans
>Colorado goes to the Republicans
>Alaska goes to the Republicans
>Vermont and New Hampshire don't write in Bernie
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!
Opinion discarded.
>>69850545
whenever the shills try to convince u trump is a hillary plant, visit something called "the media" and youll instantly be reassured that everyone in power HATES Trump with a passion
>>69851507
yep
Way too late to get ballot access in many states. You can't win the Electoral College if you're only on the ballot in a handful of states.
It is mathematically impossible to win as an independent at this point.
>>69837008
no, but the republicans would lose. trump's a master tactician
>>69854021
Lel, obviously someone never spent anytime at an Ivy school.
>>69846030
Good post.
I'll add this: Paul ' the delegate devourer' Manafort is now working for the Don.
