In Ohio a couple have started a movement called Vote Trump, Get Dumped. Alongside a selection of his sexist quotes they lay out their plan for an anti-Trump sex strike. “To cast a vote for Trump is to agree with his sexist...offensive treatment of women,” they say, asking people to pledge that they won’t “date, sleep with or canoodle with” anyone who supports Donald Trump.
People, real people, are voting for him; mainly straight men. And others who aren’t continue to love them. Are wives rolling their eyes as husbands explain why a wall must be built along the Mexican border? Staying quiet while the father of their children nods to the necessity of restricting travel on the basis of religion, waiting for ten when he’ll fall asleep in his big chair?
One problem with the Vote Trump, Get Dumped movement for women, though, is that surely if their partners cared about what they thought, they wouldn’t be behind Trump in the first place. “You have to treat ’em like shit,” he’s reported to have advised a friend.
Sex strikes have a history of, if not working, then at least changing conversations, even though they appear to verify the dull idea of men as entitled to sex, and women as vulnerable vessels whose only power resides in their pants. They work because people turn their heads. The media starts to pay attention. Movements like the one in Ohio could be powerful not because they encourage women to withhold sex but because they encourage undecided voters to learn how their potential president feels about women.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/apr/03/voting-trump-is-so-unsexy-eva-wiseman#comment-71738591
Good luck with that Miss Wiseman
kike
>>69769372
If Hillary losing the election means I have to use my hand more often for a few months then it's worth it
>>69769372
>Wiseman
>that trench-digger on her face
wew
She's not that wise.
Seems like a good recipe for rape
>My only value, as usual, is my vagina
If fucking men wasnt so fucking gay I'd be a faggot intantly
>>69769372
>As long as you support Trump, you wont get any action from me.
That's great. You have until I get home with my date to pack your shit and leave.
stupid misandrous whores think they can control all men with their pussies.
>>69769372
>Wiseman
>Is a dumb cunt
>liberals are THIS retarded
>>69769511
Yes. I wonder whether the rapefugees that she criticises Trump for keeping out would take any notice of a sexstrike.
Been single for years
Literally immune
>>69769372
If a bitch is threatening to withhold sex from you because of your political views, boot her ass out the door.
i would give up sex if trump wins and annexed canada
>>69769372
Good thing I'm a faggot and we don't play bullshit games like women
>>69769372
this is actually a great way to identify shallow blue pilled SJW's who deep down inside, realise they are only worth their vadge, but will never admit it, not evn to themselves.
/r/ing the anon who slipped into übermensch tongues responding to this
>>69769372
They're taking a satire piece seriously
Sex strikes never work
>"Why'd you dump your boyfriend?"
>He was sexist
>"Oh, did he hit you? Refuse to let you get a job?"
>No, he voted for Trump
If anyone hears something like this and doesn't immediately think this person is an idiot, then they're in the appropriate company and I couldn't give less of a shit about either of them.
>Open minded
>Fuck only those that think like them
Pick one
>>69769372
Women sort men for dominance and cannot be attracted to a dependent personality.
Also
>wiseman
pol is always right
Trump > pussy
keep trying kike
>>69769372
>Fat left-wing landwhales won't have sex with Trump supporters
And this is bad... why?
>>69769372
>wiseman
>is a dumbwoman
>theguardian
Don't post trashy left-wing blogs anon
>>69769372
>>69769372
>they think THEY'RE the desirable ones
KEK
>>69769372
>If you don't vote the way I want, I will withhold sex and may leave you.
Literally blackmail.
> that nose
> Wiseman surname
every fucking time
>insert 'what women think men want/what men actually want' pic of Trump here
My daughter won't have sex with me any more since I support Trump and she supports Bernie.
>>69769372
I don't need pussy. I need Trump.
>>69769591
The tactics of the mortals are no match for our wizardry.
>>69769748
> Open minded people need to just accept narrow minded people
Yeah nah mate. This is an overwrough argument that does not work. Being open minded =/= being unable to criticize and pick sides.
I see this backfiring all over
>deprive other of sex, they cave in, but still vote trump because voting is private
>deprive the other of sex over politics, the person leaves the relationship and starts having sex with someone else; votes for trump
>>69769372
Only in America, can such stupidity and ignorance be called a movement, because there are literally that many stupid motherfuckers in America.
America is so divided, if China and Russia were to fuck with you, you probably be dead in a few.
>>69769372
kek, does he know how cheap and easily available sex is in the XXIst cent?
>>69769372
Yet, the flaw in this plan is women are too stupid to maintain the conversation.
>>69769867
even the color scheme is the same, but Ad homiem shouldn't be treated seriously, a cheap laugh yes.
>>69769372
>Let's use our bodies as a tool to make men do what we want, that will show them that we have intellectual value!
Oh my fucking god, how can these cunts be so fucking blind?
They're their own worst enemies shit.
If a woman built a fucking movement around logical arguments to convince people ti wasn't i their own best interests to vote for Trump that would be respectable, but NO, they're fucking retarded whores who don't know any better.
>>69769372
B-b-b-but the liberal kike media said Trump voters were single anime masturbators????!!!
>>69769372
she looks like a man
>>69769372
So women are now admitting that their only useful feature is having a cunt.
They couldn't debate the topic with their male partner using logic.
No. They only thing they are good for is being a cum dumpster.
Well done women. Well done.
>Wiseman
kekeke
>>69769873
Except that no one is entitled to sex. Blackmail is about depriving access to entitled goods and rights.
>Trying to leverage master masturbators with worn out bbc stretched cunt
>>69769372
>Vote Trump, Get Dumped
jokes on them I'm a virgin
>2016
>sticking you dick in a women
its like they think I want a femishit to deal with
>>69770391
>Except that no one is entitled to sex.
Then women better stop pulling their "I have NEEDS" crap whenever they commit adultery...
>>69769372
95% of sexually attractive males are Trump supporters
These girls wont be able to tolerate fucking guys who look like AIDS Skrillex and Carl the Cuck
>>69770171
But she explicitly says that she does the thing because Trump is against her interests. She is also self-aware of the degrading implications of the campaigns.
>if Trump wins...divorce will increase...and a new era will begin...making men great again.
>>69770002
>Being open minded =/= being unable to criticize and pick sides.
You mean like... voting for Trump? :^)
>>69770391
>Blackmail is about depriving access to entitled goods and rights.
"Give me a million dollars or I'll release pictures of you with another woman."
It's about forcing or coercing someone into doing something under threat or duress.
"Vote the way I want you to or I'll leave you", that's also blackmail, albeit emotional blackmail.
>>69769372
So... these women's only value is in their cunts? They have no actual, intellectual way of refuting policies that they disagree with, so they have to resort to the one avenue left to them? Kek. This sets back gender equality more than Trump could ever do, even if he tried. It's literally throwing in the towel on the idea that women are men's intellectual equals.
>>69769372
Joke's on you we're not getting laid to begin with
You can't take away what we don't have
All this is really is is a litmus test.
Guys who give in end up being cucked. Guys who don't put up with this bullshit end up not being a little bitch and get laid.
These hipster women are just challenging men, and if you oppose their challenge, yes they will give some whiny backlash, but they'll become tsundre and subconsciously turned on. It's just gonna make them want you more.
>>69770453
Mate, its widely recognized that sex is a need for people. However, it is not one people are still entitled to, just like Americans werent entitled to food until 30s.
>To cast a vote for Trump is to agree with his sexist...offensive treatment of women
You funny Americans. We've got a Trump-like politician in Poland but even my feminist girlfriend was able to understand that I, despite voting for him, may not agree with all his views because life is not black and white.
Just don't tell women you like Trump, keep quiet.
>>69769573
Well, think of it this way, this was started in Ohio, and Ohio wasted their vote on the guy who can't win. Of course Ohio is retarded.
>>69770171
Trump opposes abortion and birth control. He wants to deprive women of their unalienable right to body autonomy and poses a threat to the quality of their lives. That's reason enough for any sane woman not to vote for him and to distance herself from anyone voting for him.
>>69769372
A woman is the direct result of the most influential male in her life.
Good women won't think twice about this stupid shit.
I am politically neutral and I really don't care about this election at all. But the left has clearly lost all reason.
Vote for whoever you want to but don't let some twat dictate your decision.
>>69769372
Jews, every goddamn time!
Also any woman who would dump you over your politics isn't worth your time.
>>69769372
>using vagina as a political tool
They really are shameless at this point.
>>69770609
Mate, you realize that an individual can actually survive without sex, right? Therefore, it isn't a need.
>>69770620
But you still enable his views. Your girlfriend should dump you.
>>69770643
human nature and biology deprives women of their unalienable right to body autonomy
what if a woman doesn't want to eat but is hungry? there, your "unalienable" right has been violated
>>69770171
NO GLASS JAR WILL BE OPENED AS LONG AS YOU DON'T TRUST IN MAGA.
>>69769372
Literally 0% chance of working. Sex-Starving only works on Liberals, who aren't in control of their women. If you deny a Republican sex, he'll just fuck your best friend.
>>69770643
>birth control
top kek
>>69770609
Sex is not a primary need / human right like food, shelter and medical care.
>>69770709
how did such a rough country give birth to such a soft, weak low energy cuck/feminist?
>>69769737
This man knows his shit. I'd suck your dick until your oragsms were dry and painful, but absolutely no homo.
>>69770708
Yeah, man, but it's pretty right on.
>>69769372
What is voting privacy?
>>69770743
if there's a drought, who's responsibility is it to provide food, as food is a "right" according to you?
>>69769372
THAT NOSE
Nah, pure coïncidence.
>>69769372
>implying Trump supporters have girlfriends in the first place
>>69769372
>implying women don't have more to lose by doing this
So they're saying women should use their pussy as a reward for good behaviour by men. Then they'll turn around and say that women should be seen as a objectives/rewards.
>>69770709
Only that Trump's and Polish Trump's personal views on women will have zero influence on how the women are treated by the state.
And no, abortion is no unalienable right.
And again no, Trump doesn't oppose contraception.
>>69770819
the UN
>>69769372
Jokes on them nobody fucks me anyway
>>69769372
who the hell uses the word "canoodle" and what the fuck does it mean
>>69769372
Trump should create a dating agency for his supporters as an answer to this bullshit.
>>69770710
Will trumps human nature and biology. That's a woman who doesn't want to eat after a while stops feeling hungry as her will has silenced her biology. Try again with something less retarded.
>>69770895
what if the UN has no food because there's a drought
>>69770488
>>69770643
The key word was "THEIR", as in, the men, the people she was having an argument with, you fucking idiots.
What kind of self centered asshats are you?
Someone not being incentivized to do something does not mean everyone else has to accommodate them.
That's literally tumblr-tier thinking you have.
Do you go around and say "Hey, I don't like blacks so I don't understand how you let one be your neighbor?!"
It's not your fucking decision to make!
That's why these Trump haters are so goddamn fascist, they don't believe in Democracy, people aren't allowed to have opinions that aren't inline with their own. It's insane.
>>69770951
did i break you
you write something unintelligible
>>69770950
>Trumpder, the dating app for people who want to save thei nation, makes him even more rich
>>69770561
Release of sensitive pictures is harassment that has clear socioeconimic consequencues. Not having sex with someone? Not really.
Its not forcing, because no force is undertaken. There is a coercive element to it, yeah, in changing the wager, making a choice between sex and Trump etc.
Its manipulative. But it is also 1) clear and 2) done for very clear motives. Trump policies weaken women. Women thud try to prevent Trump by making voting him a worse choice.
>>69770887
How do you know that? You don't.
And yes, it is. It can be regulated but it cannot be denied without breaching someone's rights.
And yes, they're prolifers. They do oppose contraception.
>>69769372
>woman are manipulative when talking about sex
>NOT TRUE YOU MEN PIG !!
>vote trump ? no sex for you :)
If you are in this situation, be a real men and control yourself, she'll lose it before you do
>>69769372
Legbutt here. I won't starve you, pol, no matter how retarded you are.
>>69769372
Fine don't vote for Trump. When the day of the rope comes all the gunless gutless liberals are gonna be fucked. Some hopefully much sooner.
>>69770986
nigger pls
>>69770643
>unalienable right to body autonomy
>unalienable right
>Thinking rights exist
Oh boy...
>>69771081
>Trump policies weaken women
Prove it.
>There is a coercive element to it but it's not THAT bad
You're aware coercion is illegal too right? And is part of (if not the basis of laws regarding) blackmail and extortion.
>inb4 it's ok when I do it because that's democratic
>>69769591
Been in a sexless marriage for years.
I am literally superman and they are shooting at me and throwing their guns and I am gonna catch that motherfucker in the air and smoosh it like play-doh
>>69771081
I don't like women. I'm physically attracted to them, but when you speak in broad strokes I'm entirely unimpressed with their behavior. I'm not too concerned if some of Trump's policies come across as anti-woman because I myself am bigoted towards them. There, I said it, so shoot me.
>>69771256
All i have to say is come and take it.
>>69769372
But I'm voting for trump because I'm a bitter virgin who wants to watch the world burn, How does their logic work?
>>69771404
>2016
>Disobeying your owner
>Rebelling against your owner
You belong to me. One cannot rape their own property, so I'm wondering why the author of this article even wrote it.
>>69770871
Technically, you're right...
>>69769372
I already have a red-pilled girlfriend so
>Wiseman
Will have to waste her time doing something else I guess.
>>69771281
He opposes birth control and abortion. That weakens women as it puts unfair and unnecessary burden on them, causes poverty, causes crime and causes long-standing relationships to deteriorate in order not to risk unwamted pregnancies.
>>69769372
>Wiseman
holy shit literally every time
are jews really this stupid?
>>69769372
>say you'll vote bernie
>get her to sign a consent form and agree to sex on camera (agreeing on camera not the sex, although I suppose you can do that too)
>afterwards tell her you're voting Trump
>>69771026
People are allowed to criticize other opinions in democracy. Its not censorship. Its freedom of speech.
>>69771612
[citation needed]
>>69771612
but that's false
he was pressured into insulting the christian voterbase, so he just gave a vague "they should be punished" and then later specified he was talking about the doctors of ILLEGAL abortions, not the women.
If you want to see what a pro-life zealot looks like, look at Cruz el rato.
>>69771612
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/03/31/abortion-left-uses-donald-trump-to-divide-the-right-and-ignores-actual-extremists/
Ah-huh.
>>69771465
>want to burn the world
>by electing the last hope of Humanity
Do "americans" even vote? or is it "electoral collage" that decides?
>>69769372
>tell her you're voting bernout
>vote trump anyway because votes are confidential
>>69770710
Its generally agreed that food, water, shelter and medicine are inalienable human rights, hence the efforts of international community to end their deprivation.
>>69769785
based poleack reking the truth here
>>69771085
>but it cannot be denied without breaching someone's rights.
If no doctor will abort a fetus, tough luck.
If abortions are a right, you will have to allow for doctors who disagree to be fined/imprisoned/killed. You sure about that?
my gf is the most vocal trump supporter I know. She's also half mexican which makes it great
>>69771910
The latter
>>69771910
They select village idiots at random and pit them against each other at the Duel Arena for a max cash stake.
>>69771085
>And yes, they're prolifers. They do oppose contraception.
can you provide one source?
>>69772010
it doesn't work in africa
why do we delude ourselves with this "rights" meme anyway?
only you and you yourself can defend your own """""rights""""", but folk like you are the first to reject firearms """"rights""""
>>69771719
Citations on the negative effects of lack of abortion on females or Trump opposing abortion?
Coalburning degenerate pussy aint much of a threat to loose especially when it comes with mental issues and no housewife skills plus a shit ton of debt
>>69769372
>That nose
>>69769372
m8 i would vote for shillary to be rid of that nose
She is BEGGING for it
>>69772116
so wait
food, water and all that (except firearms) are an inalienable human right, but the right to life isn't?
>>69772065
Doctors who dont perform abortions in general can and are discharged if it hiners their job performance/general access to abortion in most of Yurope. Its a good system when there is a small amount of ideological doctors, enough to essentially make the issue a nonexistant one.
>>69772270
so you are against the inalienable right to freedom
why?
The best thing is that their tactic might actually have been successful if feminism didn't make sex so easily available.
>>69772209
the look in their eyes you just know..
>>69772111
It works in Africa, man. Famines are mostly a thing of past, with food insecurity being the bigger issue.
> Why do we delude ourselves with rights
For economic performance. Insecurity is not productive.
>>69771828
Unreliable source.
>>69771806
He has expressed consideration of abortion being illegal and intention of punishing women for wanring to live their own lives.
>>69771404
>us flag bikini
>wielding MG42s
USA cucked again
>>69771717
You, and they're literally using their cunts as a tool to make other people change their beliefs.
What the fuck are you on about?
This isn't about freedom of speech, dipshit.
This is about them literally using sex as a tool to make people change their political views.
It's counter-intuitive tot heir goals.
We actually fucking agree! I don't understand how you're such a cuckold that you're actually whining about censorship when I say
>Being a whore to send a message about the power of women sends the wrong message.
Hence, why I'm sure you're stupid or a turbo-cuck.
I'd say turbo-cuck is more likely considering you're from Finland.
>>69772429
>killing someone is "just living your own life"
fuaaaaaaaahhhhhh
>>69772311
You are the one that's against the inalienable right to freedom, wanting to deprive women of freedom.
>>69772389
>africa
>famine a thing of the past
>food insecurity
so you just renamed the problem? for how long will we have to feed them actually? forever?
>For economic performance. Insecurity is not productive.
the link between the ideological belief that you have """"rights"""" that needs to be catered to, and economic performance?
the government isn't the one driving the economy, it's the people and the private sector
>>69772541
you're the one actually using the state to force individuals to perform or not perform an action, not me
>>69772247
Abortion is based on the view that the fetuses aren't living. Thus, right to life is not harmed. And firearms arent a right, security is. However, security is a public good produced by states, not individuals.
>>69772311
How am I against right to freedom?
>>69772429
>claims unreliable source from media
>doesn't bring own source to cite claims
>>69772540
>forcing someone to slavery is "protecting the right to life"
This is why you're dying Japan
>>69772615
>Abortion is based on the view that the fetuses aren't living. Thus, right to life is not harmed. And firearms arent a right, security is. However, security is a public good produced by states, not individuals.
>a life in the womb isn't a life
>security can never be provided by private individuals and private entities
you've actually become a communist despite having fought the soviets in ww2
congrats soviets, you've done it
>How am I against right to freedom?
>be a doctor
>have a clinic
>government comes in if you refuse to destroy the life in the womb
>>69772696
>forcing someone to slavery
like forcing a doctor to perform an action he does not wish to perform?
why is the mind of the leftist so turned upside down?
>>69772270
>to essentially make the issue a nonexistant one.
Which is exactly why it doesn't need to be a "right"
It's not something that needs to be "but thou must!" for doctors. If it's a right, then it is. Doctors must perform, or else.
>>69770656
>A woman is the direct result of the most influential male in her life.
But that means it's pointless to have women vote.
>>69772629
Do you need a source for what this board that SUPPORTS Trump itself is saying? Read the threads.
>>69772861
>Trump hates women and his policies hurt them!
>I don't need to source this, you should see it already
>>69772553
I did not rename the problem. Food insecurity means that the people are getting enough food, but are at notable risk of bad harvests etc., which could change that.
> How long we have to feed them
We arent. 90% of food consumed in Sub-Saharan Africa is produced or legimstely bought by Africans themselves.
> the link between the ideological belief that you have """"rights"""" that needs to be catered to, and economic performance?
Its not ideological, its pragmatic. The basic rights guarantee that economic performance is not disrupted; there is no significant chance of worker starving away, no risk of typhoid epidemic killing half the staff. The existence of these guarantees remove risks involved with large scale economics, creating a more stable and productive system.
>>69771896
eh, It's a 50/50 shot of him making america great again or burning it to the ground. either is a plus for me since if it burns to the ground there is a chance to remake it great again and I get to enjoy the anarchy in the meantime.
Most Trump supporters are permavirgins omega males so I doubt this will work.
>>69769372
If only men valued their principles more than pussy.
>>69772819
No, like forcing someone to undue labor like a mother with an unwanted child. Or you support child abandonment? Remember that mothers can always dump the kid at the hospital and the doctors are obligated to care for the abandoned child.
>>69773043
>No, like forcing someone to undue labor like a mother with an unwanted child.
Only in rape would she have not implicitly chosen to take that risk.
>>69769372
>majority of trump voters are virgins
>Sex-starving trump supporters
k
>>69769372
>being compelled by the vaginal jew
>>69772922
>we aren't helping africans
explain all the aid that keeps being sent to them then
we're helping them which is why they're not starving, but how long do we have to help them still?
>Its not ideological, its pragmatic. The basic rights guarantee that economic performance is not disrupted; there is no significant chance of worker starving away, no risk of typhoid epidemic killing half the staff. The existence of these guarantees remove risks involved with large scale economics, creating a more stable and productive system.
the ones providing all these "rights" isn't the government
regardless of the government, people will still develop businesses providing whatever the demand is at a given time
it is incredible how deluded you are
soviet propaganda really ended up working it seems
>>69773043
forcing a doctor to perform an action he does not desire to perform is similar to slavery and is forcing someone to undue labour
perhaps, if the woman didn't act like a slut, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant
your entire ideology is based on the notion of the rejection of personal responsibility
>>69769372
Hey, boys. Come and get it.
I bet the ugly bitch would beg to fuck the first MAGA supporter she could find.
>>69772774
But doctors dont spontantenously have clinics. Its a legally protected title entitled to people with certain education and skills in order to provide a standardized medical system that protects the medical views of the people the way the state wishes it to. Refusing an abortion is an insubordination, just as it is to provide one if they are illegal. Doctors are free to do it, however, the state also can legimately fire the doctor for not performing his prescibed role.
>>69771332
>that's the next idea for my new anime
>>69772912
He has publicly admitted he wants to punish women for their right to freedom and you have been reporting it incessantly. Are you denying yourself?
>>69770002
>I'm so open minded :)
>If you vote for Trump you cannot possibly be a sane being
>21-year old kissless virgin that's never had a gf
Make
America
Great
Again
If your woman is so petty she'll refuse to have sex because you disagree with her, it's not worth it.
Making the country great again is worth more than any amount of sex from anyone.
>>69769372
>wymyn are more than just our vaginas
>our vaginas is the only thing we have to influence you
it's like poetry, give women a decade and they'll reduce themselves back to sex objects
>>69773192
Oh you mean the thing that was addressed in the article previously linked that you dismissed out of hand because it didn't sit well with the way you want to see things?
That statement?
Well gee, let me consider that for a moment.
>>69773183
so you effectively do not live in a free society
you can not claim to be free if you can not do whatever you want to do
>But doctors dont spontantenously have clinics.
and the government doesn't spontaneously shit out doctors
what if no one in the pool of people wants to become doctor or everyone fails to become doctors? what happens then?
do we turn into south africa?
Its not a real movement and wont be implemented or practiced by a single woman.
>>69772839
Actually, it means traditionally married households get their votes counted twice so I'm all for it. Single people are on their own with their pitiful ONE vote (which lets face it they won't even cast)
t. traditional woman who votes with my husband
>>69773341
the belief of feminists is that an individual feminist somehow represents the entire group of "feminists"
they also like to say "women", when they can only represent their own individual self
the pretend to represent the entire group and thus to be able to give orders to this monolithic hivemind
they are collectivist at heart
>>69773139
>>69773089
So you promote women withholding sex from their boyfriends and husbands like the lady in the article suggests? Since you oppose their birth control as well that's the only way not to get pregnant. That will cause a wave of rape but you are now blaming women for protecting themselves as well?
Donald holds women responsible for their body
I thought this is what they wanted??
A consistent pro-life position can maintain that a woman who has an abortion may be morally culpable in the taking of an innocent life
>>69773460
>So you promote women withholding sex from their boyfriends and husbands like the lady in the article suggests?
no, i suggest that women stop fucking the first man they come across
> Since you oppose their birth control
i don't oppose it
i merely try to understand why you call yourself free and for freedom when you are the opposite
>That will cause a wave of rape but you are now blaming women for protecting themselves as well?
what will?
>>69773186
No-snu man, the most powerful man on earth.
>>69773120
>>69773120
>calling getting laid the vaginal jew
Never change, /pol/, never change...
>>69773139
I said we are not feeding them, not that we are not helping them. Our aid contributes less than a tenth to an Africans calorie intake, and is being reduced by the day.
> How long
20-40 years.
>the ones providing all these "rights" isn't the government
Yes they are? Legal system creates them, and executive branch enforces them.
>regardless of the government, people will still develop businesses providing whatever the demand is at a given time
Actually, businesses need property rights which are created by governments. Secondly, the basic rights address situations where markets fail to provide due to ecological issues, structural weak points or gluts/traps/distribution issues.
Also pregnancy is an outright consequence when abortion is outlawed. Right now, you merely to seek to make a direct consequence for having sex.
>>69769591
U need >>>/r9k/
>>69773267
The statement that shows Trump considers the possibilty of abortion being illegal you mean? Yes that. If he weren't against wonen he would have stated abortion should never be illegal.
>>69773460
and apparently you would support the opposite then. So they shouldn't withhold sex. This is stupid as fuck.
> Since you oppose their birth control as well
Citation fucking needed
>that's the only way not to get pregnant. That will cause a wave of rape
Cite
>but you are now blaming women for protecting themselves as well?
What?
Are you stupid man, or a stupid woman? Please be a shitty shill.
>>69773664
>Right now, today, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton oppose a ban on partial-birth abortion.
>Yet this stance is somehow less scandalous than Donald Trump’s answer to a hypothetical question that women who seek abortions should be subject to “some form of punishment” if the procedure is banned in the U.S.
Are you even trying?
>>69773331
>and the government doesn't spontaneously shit out doctors
Actually, they quite literally do. They are the ones who decide what the name and title entails and who gets it based on what. If that it is not enough, its also the government educating, standardizing and regulating doctors.
> what if no one in the pool of people wants to become doctor or everyone fails to become doctors?
The current system is based on the monopolization of doctors due to the abundance of skilled people interested in doing the job due to its incentives. If that was not to case, the system would oblivously be different. I dont know how it would work, but here I am thinking of incentive systems.
>>69773612
>I said we are not feeding them, not that we are not helping them. Our aid contributes less than a tenth to an Africans calorie intake, and is being reduced by the day.
we can not know exactly how many calories of our help is provided to the africans, i find it funny that you pretend we can
we are sending massive amount of help to the africans, that's the bottom line
>Yes they are? Legal system creates them, and executive branch enforces them.
no, the government can not create wealth or bake bread
the government only has a police force forcing you to pay taxes
>Actually, businesses need property rights which are created by governments.
the government is not needed for property rights, and the government has more often than not hindered the development of private individuals with its heavy handed approach
i've seen it with my own eyes in france, and countless stories exist across the world
> Secondly, the basic rights address situations where markets fail to provide due to ecological issues, structural weak points or gluts/traps/distribution issues.
the solution isn't provided by a government but private individuals
i've seen more corruption come out of the government and government contracts than anywhere else
>Also pregnancy is an outright consequence when abortion is outlawed. Right now, you merely to seek to make a direct consequence for having sex.
so you effectively believe in the ideology of rejecting personal responsibilities
got it
>>69773811
Should transition surgery be a right too?
>>69769372
>walk into a poll booth
>vote Trump
>"who'd you vote for?"
>say anything but Trump
Not hard.
>>69773568
>no, i suggest that women stop fucking the first man they come across
Because you think women don't fuck their partners or husbands and don't need birth control when in a relationship?
>i don't oppose it
Uh-uh. I bet you're going to spout bullshit about the condom even though it's far more risky and objectively inferior to the pill.
>what will?
Men being pieces of shit who do not respect their women's decision not to have sex if their just means of safety are not allowed to them for bigoted reasons.
>>69773811
>Actually, they quite literally do.
they don't
you can't force someone to become a doctor
>They are the ones who decide what the name and title entails and who gets it based on what.
the government isn't the one who decides the amount of brain cells a person has in his brain that would allow him to learn the profession
>f that it is not enough, its also the government educating, standardizing and regulating doctors.
the profession is older than the government you praise and love so much
>The current system is based on the monopolization of doctors due to the abundance of skilled people interested in doing the job due to its incentives. If that was not to case, the system would oblivously be different. I dont know how it would work, but here I am thinking of incentive systems.
there are no alternative systems
the outcome is south africa
>offensive treatment of women
Now they've simply disregarded reality altogether. What has Trump DONE against women, other than employ them in high numbers and high positions in his own company? If a single period joke and Howard Stern induced comments make you the one that wants to 'put women back in the kitchen' then fuck these people.
My GF came here LEGALLY from Cambodia.
She knows I like trump and is redpilled as fuck.
She laughs at these retard 'feminists' that talk about microagressions and wtf ever socialist Bernie people talk about.
Her family escaped communism and has no patience for it.
>>69773981
>Because you think women don't fuck their partners or husbands and don't need birth control when in a relationship?
the majority of abortions are a result of women and men being sluts fucking randomly
>Uh-uh. I bet you're going to spout bullshit about the condom even though it's far more risky and objectively inferior to the pill.
no, i believe in privately provided solutions, not government provided ones
women should pay for their own abortions if they want it
>Men being pieces of shit who do not respect their women's decision not to have sex if their just means of safety are not allowed to them for bigoted reasons.
so you're a white knight who takes out any form of personal responsibility from the woman
>>69773937
>being a coward
If there's any woman that would legitimately leave their lover due to political disagreements, they're worthless. In my eyes this is a good thing since it weeds out undesirable women for me.
>>69769372
>trump supporters
>beta cucks
pick one and only one
>The Guardian
lol
They are right about cheetos-faced coward though.
>>69770643
> unalienable right to body autonomy
No such right exists, or drugs would be legal and there'd be no such thing as a prescription. Nor would we circumcise boys. The only right you have to abortion is from the ruling in Roe v Wade - which is about a right to privacy. Sorry to say that privacy has been thrown out the window over the last few decades leaving this reasoning on shaky grounds.
>>69773868
>we can not know exactly how many calories of our help is provided to the africans, i find it funny that you pretend we can
Yes we can? We know the exact content of our food aid, and its amount and distribution in Africa, just as we understand the statistical realities of the diets there. Do you even geography/social policy?
> no, the government can not create wealth or bake bread
Wealth and bread are products. Doctors are not. They are an occupation, and their product is medicine/healthcare. And it is true that government does not create it, but they create the system that provides it - the modern medical establishment with monopoly of doctors and all.
> the government only has a police force forcing you to pay taxes
Modern states are more byzantine than that. Security is only the base of a state. The rest, however, is still a part of it.
> the government is not needed for property rights
Government is defined as an organization that provides property rights (through security, as security means that).
>the solution isn't provided by a government but private individuals
Yes, until it isnt. Private firms provide us our foodstuff. Yet if they run out of it, as happens in famines, it is the goverment that has to step in. Its quite absurd to think that government is hindering the business by preventing starvation.
> i've seen more corruption come out of the government and government contracts than anywhere else
Which is because corruption is mostly a thing conferred on governments, not private organization, as the latter ones are provided the freedom to be corrupt by the logic of markets and economic performance, wheread a state is a monopoly and thus is not associated with market competion logic and is thus monitored from within.
>so you effectively believe in the ideology
There is not a responsibility here if abortion exists. PErsonal responsibility here exists is because state chooses that people should have not the freedom to undo.
>>69773153
Maybe that's her plan, she wants to get fucked with a maga hat on
>>69774080
The majority of abortions are married religious women who do not want more children and are denied birth control by their religious communities, but are still expected to provide sex to the husband because that's the husband's right. Children are a cost and a burden no one should be forced to take if they don't want to.
>calls me a white knight
>for stating the truth about men raping their wives when denied sex
You are literally defending rapists. Thanks for letting everyone know Trump supportes are pro-rape.
>>69769372
>Vote Trump without telling gf
>Keep fucking her
Gee, that was hard.
>>69769372
>Women's only bargaining tool is their std ridden cunt.
Yep, thanks.
>>69774450
Yes that right exists since you can't be forced to something that harms you and unwanted pregnancies objectively harm women, causing depression and financial loss. Drugs are banned because addicts harm themselves and others in order to sustain their addiction, while cigarettes aren't because they harm they create is of little impact on society. Unwanted children are worse than drugs for negative social impact, that's why abortion is allowed and drugs are not.
>>69773997
Coercion is not the only mechanism state has. It also has rent-seeking, which is what medical system is. Nobody is forced to become one, but the monopolization has made the profession lucrative. State is directly responsible for this monopoly.
> the government isn't the one who decides the amount of brain cells a person has in his brain that would allow him to learn the profession
No, but having the title of a doctor requires education, legal obedience and submission to standards, not "brain cells".
> the profession is older than the government you praise and love so much
I have no praise or love for government, I merely understand its logic and pragmatic uses. Medicine had been around before states in a general sense of people healing other people, yes. But the current conception is not vague; its ultra specific. The role, the skills, the responsibilities and the legal role of doctor are defined down to minitia details. Go read medical histories if you want to understand how deep the relation of state and medicine is. The Birth of a Clinic is a classic for a reason.
>there are no alternative systems
the outcome is south africa
So you are saying that markets do not adapt?
>>69774573
>Yes we can? We know the exact content of our food aid, and its amount and distribution in Africa, just as we understand the statistical realities of the diets there. Do you even geography/social polic
we don't know who ate that food
it's incredible you pretend to know this
but the question still stands, for how long will we have to provide them with aid still so they don't starve?
>Doctors are not.
doctors offer a service, a service is akin to a product
you pay for the service just like you pay for the product
>but they create the system that provides it - the modern medical establishment with monopoly of doctors and all.
they are not the one creating this system either, they try to regulate it and control it but end up creating hurdles along the way, just see the obamacare act
> Security is only the base of a state.
what do you do when the state ends up turning itself against its people?
it has already happened before
>Yes, until it isnt.
it is never isn't provided by individuals
>Yet if they run out of it, as happens in famines, it is the goverment that has to step in.
the government can not create food out of nowhere
>. Its quite absurd to think that government is hindering the business by preventing starvation.
the governments can not prevent starvation
>Which is because corruption is mostly a thing conferred on governments, not private organization, as the latter ones are provided the freedom to be corrupt by the logic of markets and economic performance, wheread a state is a monopoly and thus is not associated with market competion logic and is thus monitored from within.
what you wrote makes no sense, because the precedents and the observations anyone can make today shows that governments are always more corrupt than private entities, case in point banks use the government to give themselves bailouts
>There is not a responsibility here if abortion exists.
so you indeed believe in the rejection of personal responsibilities
>>69773245
They're more sex objects now than they have ever been. Before they were wives and mothers, now all they're good for is pumping and dumping and some of them are actually proud of that. How much more of a sex object can they become?
>>69772093
We're not in the wildy
>>69774832
>cigarettes cause little harm to society
2nd highest healthcare cost in the states come from ciggy smokers.
>>69774080
Most abortions in US are done by women in steady relationships who already have children.
The media portrayal of the average abortion seekers as white teen girls who have been promiscous is outright wrong.
>>69774621
>The majority of abortions are married religious women
no, the majority of abortions are unmarried women who slut around with random men
>>for stating the truth about men raping their wives when denied sex
you never stated anything regarding that, you pulled the word "rape" out of nowhere
we're talking about abortion and the responsibility of sex being on the woman
if the woman refuses sex, the man has to force the woman and this ends up being a rape
if a woman accepts sex, she opens up her legs and the man isn't forcing anything, therefore not rape
the woman is responsible of her own actions concerning sex because she is the one who decides if she opens her legs or not
she her legs are forcibly opened, it becomes rape and thus a crime
>>69774832
No that's YOUR reasoning, not what the law says. Seriously go look up the case if the issue is so important to you. I personally don't want it banned, nor do I think Trump would try to ban it. It's like population control for niggers and the poor.
> Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.
> According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 5 times as likely as white women to have an abortion
> On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.
> http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html
>>69774914
>Coercion is not the only mechanism state has. It also has rent-seeking, which is what medical system is. Nobody is forced to become one, but the monopolization has made the profession lucrative. State is directly responsible for this monopoly.
then why do so many private medical organizations exist in the USA and many other countries?
>No, but having the title of a doctor requires education, legal obedience and submission to standards, not "brain cells".
standards are supposed to be set by professionals not bureaucrates from the government
regardless of the existence of the government, professionals will still exist and dictate proper procedures
>So you are saying that markets do not adapt?
i'm saying the government is not capable of fixing the issues in south africa, only individuals
if south africans are incapable of fixing the problems, the government will not fix it for himself
>>69775023
it is not, statistics show you are wrong
Its this kind of bullshit that makes me wish I gay
>>69774947
What personal responsibility is there if birth control fails despite correct use? It's extremely rade but it can happen. It's like saying you have personal responsibility for the guy that crashed into you despite following the code and committing no error.
What personal reslonsibility is there if lne is denied or made impossible to access their own birth control and have to rely on the husband or fiancé who might not have honest or good intentions for her? Or who even with good intentioms might use faulty shit like condoms lutting their partner at risk?
What personal responsibility is there if one is raped and nobody considers it rape because if you're in a marriage or a relationship society thinks the man is owed sex? Are you promoting for wonen to never get married and never enter a relationship with a man?
>>69775261
same
>>69769515
>thread
>>69775023
That is just false, according to every reseach ever done on the issue.
>women are more than sex objects
>they place all their worth on them having a vagina
>'yes dear i voted for hillary'
its just that easy
>>69769372
Uhhh... Okay? You know that if I really wanted your vagina I could just lie or rape, right?
DUDE SEX LMAO.. every time.
Truely they meant this was the brain of females.
>Good ol' argument by holes
>Passive-aggressively manipulating men by denying them intimacy
>People think women hold no power in the social structure
>Reducing a woman's value down to her sexuality is wrong, except when women do it, to themselves.
How?
How does one hold explicitly opposing ideas at the same fucking time? How?
Are these people Olympic mental gymnast?
>>69774947
>we don't know who ate that food
We know the diets and consumption habits well enough to make statistical projections.
>
but the question still stands, for how long will we have to provide them with aid still so they don't starve?
20-40 years.
The bit about doctor is... just what I said? Government creates doctors, not medicine. Comparing doctors to bread is incorrect.
> they are not the one creating this system either,
What, then, creates the monopoly of doctors?
> what do you do when the state ends up turning itself against its people?
In practise, this situation means an existence of several states which compete on legitimacy, outright like in Syris with ISIS and Rojava, or implicitly in Ukraine when state tries to disperse crowds who wish another type of state to exist.
> the government can not create food out of nowhere
No, but its command of resources and interests different to companies allows it to organize food trade where markets necessarily wouldng.
> Thr bit on corruption
Because companies do not count as corrupt ones nearly as easily as states. If a guy hires his inept son, that is poor economics but not corruption. If the civil servant does it, it is corruption. The banks did not force the state to bail them out - they merely exploited information asymmetry to extract capital away from goverments, which in their right interedts had to bend. Given the issues with rating agencies, one sure can claim that the dubious side in 08 was the banks, making them the more corrupt party.
>>69769854
Based Milo
>>69775194
http://www.vox.com/2015/12/29/10683610/tv-lying-abortion-demographics
>>69775531
Citations please
>>69769515
Kek
>>69775648
tl;dr shit talking statist
>>69774914
You are good anon.
>>69775286
>What personal responsibility is there if birth control fails despite correct use?
the personal responsibility of the woman to close her legs
you moral relativists and progressivists are mentally ill i think
>>69775054
>no, the majority of abortions are unmarried women who slut around with random men
You don't have to be married to be in a significant relationship. Do you think engaged people and girlffiends having sex solely with their boyfriends are "slutting around with random men"? You are retarded if you do.
>you never stated anything regarding that
Yes I did. I said that if the wife or girlfriend decides to withhold sex from her partner/husband in order not to risk pregnancy, the husband/boyfriend is more likely to rape her than respect her decision.
>we're talking about abortion and the responsibility of sex being on the woman
Why? Why should it be on the woman? It takes two to have sex but the responsibility should be only on one?
>if the woman refuses sex, the man has to force the woman and this ends up being a rape
No shit sherlock.
>if a woman accepts sex, she opens up her legs and the man isn't forcing anything, therefore not rape
Because men never threaten or blackmail women right?
"I'll kill if you don't have sex with me."
"I'll kill/abuse/beat the shit out of you and/or your children if you don't have sex with me."
"I'll toss you out and leave you to starve if you don't have sex with me."
And more shit like that. Oh wow she was forced to accept or risk her life for refusing! It was totally consensual guys!
>he woman is responsible of her own actions concerning sex because she is the one who decides if she opens her legs or not
Sounds suspiciously clise to victim blaming to me. "She was looking a certain way... she was clearly inviting me I dindu nuffin!"
>She her legs are forcibly opened, it becomes rape and thus a crime
And how do you prove that when the rape is the result of coercion or deceit champ? You know a shitton of rapists don't get punished just because the rapist is the woman's husband so people irrationally assume consent to marriage = consent to sex whenever and however despjte the fact it's not?
>>69769372
>sex is not a matter of feelings or intimacy to me, but just a carrot to put in front of the partner
Sociopathy at its finest.
>>69776111
> the personal responsibility of the woman to close her legs
How is that a responsibility? What prescribes it as one?
>>69775648
governments do not create doctors either
>What, then, creates the monopoly of doctors?
there can't be a monopoly of doctor, doctor is a profession
there can be a monopoly of a medicinal group, such as the ones we can see in socialist countries or corporatist countries that do not allow competition to happen, but there can't be a monopoly of doctors
>In practise, this situation means an existence of several states which compete on legitimacy, outright like in Syris with ISIS and Rojava, or implicitly in Ukraine when state tries to disperse crowds who wish another type of state to exist.
you conveniently dismiss recent examples such as the american government making deals with mexican drug cartels
precedents vs ideological bullshit
>No, but its command of resources and interests different to companies allows it to organize food trade where markets necessarily wouldng.
provide an example please
you are assuming private individuals are incapable of setting up markets for trade
>Because companies do not count as corrupt ones nearly as easily as states. If a guy hires his inept son, that is poor economics but not corruption.
why would it be? it's called freedom to hire whomever you wish to hire
>If the civil servant does it, it is corruption.
it becomes corruption because we're talking about public money here
>The banks did not force the state to bail them out - they merely exploited information asymmetry to extract capital away from goverments, which in their right interedts had to bend. Given the issues with rating agencies, one sure can claim that the dubious side in 08 was the banks, making them the more corrupt party.
banks merely used the influence of the state to get what they wanted out of the state
you seem to be under the delusion that the state can not be corrupted and the state does not corrupt
>>69775699
i'm using statistics straight from the CDC, you can shove vox up your ass honestly
>>69776111
So you think married and engaged/long-term couples should not have sex? What's the point of forming a couple in the first place then?
>>69776315
>woman isn't responsible of her own actions! how dare you!
you've become insane
>>69776290
you've typed all this out to say absolutely nothing of relevance to the discussion
>>69776412
all i said is that the woman is responsible for her own actions
why does it bother you so much?
>>69776290
>if the wife or girlfriend decides to withhold sex from her partner/husband in order not to risk pregnancy, the husband/boyfriend is more likely to rape her than respect her decision
Wow, maybe in bulgaria
>>69769372
>Eva Wiseman
>Wiseman
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/nov/18/antisemitism-eva-wiseman
>pol
>ever being wrong
>>69776436
I merely asked what prescibes women with a responsibility of closing legs, when there are easy, cheap and safe ways to undo any possible follow up complication?
>>69769959
Jesus fuck, STFU Rothschild. You're not even an Americunt, go back to counting the worlds' earnings.
>>69776383
Okay, give links to your CDC data that proves what you said.
Eva Wiseman is a cunt just like most other Grauniad writers.
>>69776567
>women aren't responsible for their actions! shut up with your patriarchal systemic oppressive system of argumentation based on logic and empiricism!
>>69776342
It;s like you not even trying to understand what Fin bro is trying to explain to you
>>69776591
>spoon feed me! food is a human right! it is not my personal responsibility to do the research!
>>69776648
i perfectly understand what he's trying to say, he's just an ideological stooge who has never studied the world around him
with his ideology, he believes the word has to study him
>>69773460
I can't tell if you're trying to be funny or if you are literally a Goddard-scale imbecile
>>69776624
But mate, you don't have a logic here. Currently, there are no responsibilities due to existence of abortion. What you are saying is that there should be since there aren't, and are not telling me why there SHOULD be what IS NOT CURRENTLY.
>>69770643
Women oppose abortion as well you know.
>>69772960
I'll give it 10/70/20 great/more-less same/burned
>>69769372
>>69776465
>>69776436
You keep saying "woman is responsible for her own actions" but provide no detail or context, despite the fact you have beem presented with plenty possible situations where your logic falls apart.
Again, do you think if a woman is threatened, coerced or blackmailed it was her responsibility she got raped despite her being a victim of another's prevarication?
Are you muslim? Do you think non-sexual actions are provocation to sex because you project sexual intent in them despite the woman not putting any? "She was standing in my presence so she was asking for it?"
Have you thought about how to make rape be taken seriously in cases where it's typically not like when one is raped by her husband or boyfriend?
Do you suggest men and women do not form couples to prevent unwanted pregnancies and leave child-rearing to the state?
