How do we save our steel industry?
>>69680604
It's fucked mate, let it die. Unless we leave the EU and are willing to put 200% tariffs on Chinese steel, we've got no chance. Government spending in the steel plant is basically a black hole, and will suck up more and more cash as time goes on.
The government is probably best spending the money on a new industry in the area, with substitute skills and roles.
>>69681502
>The government is probably best spending the money on a new industry in the area, with substitute skills and roles.
I very much doubt Osborne is capable of pulling this off, given how he has been completely outmaneuvered by China
>>69680604
Steelworker here. They're not doing too well here either, my friend.
by recognizing that steel production is key strategic industry that must be protected from loss leading tactics employed by china and india
the ability to manufacture steel and downstream metals into sophisticated equipment is a military necessity in a time of war
WHY DIDN'T YOU NATIONALIZE IT?
>>69680604
you dont cucks
>>69680604
Nationalise it. It's better that people keep their jobs even if it means a small loss for the country.
I actually petition my local government to give jobs to the unemployed in a kind of neo-national service. In return for a living wage they move rocks from one end of a field to the other.
It's a good way of making sure people get money. The steel mill could be the same.
>>69681502
>chinese steel
Isn't China importing their steel?
>>69683698
And where do you think government gets its money from to pay for all this?
>>69680604
Specialize in exotic alloys. Meehan drove basic alloys to lowest cost producers.
>>69680604
>>69682492
get rid of free trade agreements that make shitty chinese steel cheaper than domestically produced steel.
Buy more swords.
>>69684034
The Meehanite process made it possible for lower skill steel workers to compete with experienced, high skill workers. Labor costs are greatly lower and become more important.
>>69684028
My employer does nothing but alloy, and we're getting the shit kicked out if us by imports.
>>69680604
It's called marching into London in mass numbers and demanding the current government step down.
That's how other countries do it.
Britain has no balls, nobody from the far left all the way to the far right like Cameron yet he sits there constantly taking the piss out of the country and its people and all people do is bitch and moan from their armchairs.
>>69680604
It is simple
Save
Do like we did and outsource it to China.
Believe me, China can melt steel beams. They got right on top of that shit.
>>69680604
Stop electing people that promise to kill it. DUH.
>>69683882
From trade I think
>>69684643
Then you are doomed.
>>69683698
ahahahahahaha
>>69681502
what about the argument that steel is a strategic industry and as such no measures should be spared in saving it?
>>69683698
>I actually petition my local government to give jobs to the unemployed in a kind of neo-national service. In return for a living wage they move rocks from one end of a field to the other.
Even when on the doll I'd have endorsed this. If for no other reason than to see the junkie scum forced to do something for once.
>>69684682
>Cameron
>far right
Yeah, nah,
>>69683698
Roger Hayes would never come out with such utter fucking tripe. Kill yourself imposter.
>>69685769
I never called Cameron far right dummy.
See this is the problem, you are like a libcuck, you take something I never said and focus on it rather than the meat of the message you are being told.
Keep posting your armchair anger while your country burns around you.
>>69686026
>>69686026
>all the way to the far right like Cameron
Fuck off.
>far right
>like Cameron
Sage.
>>69680604
no, goy, service economy is best for you, you don't need to produce anything of value while you are still able to re-hypothecate the entire coutry in the City over and over again
As long as China continue to heavily subsidise their own steel, we don't have a chance. Chinesium is here to stay
>>69686271
>re-hypothecate
>the City
Noice. Always good to see more people picking up on the key terms.
>>69680604
We don't. If they Chinese want to produce steel for us below the market rate then leave them to it.
>>69683822
No, China only really imports oil. Steel manufacturing is one of their biggest industries
>>69684920
Stupid fucking burger your economy is absolutely fucked for the long term because you shipped all of your manufacturing jobs overseas.
>>69687329
Canadians, of all people, should understand sarcasm by this point.
>>69687648
Sorry m8 I thought you were some sort of neocon
>>69680604
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_steel_production
Supply and Demand. Over the last 10-15 years, China has spent large amounts of capital installing NEW equipment. They are going to rule the 21st century in Steel. All others will fade away. I work for a steel company in the USA. We are hurting and will hurt more.
You don't, you enjoy neoliberalism goy
>>69687941
We did actually ship the steel beams off to China to dispose of immediately before any real investigation could be done.
Historically, China has been our scrap recycling plant; hence all the shit they put in the air without regulation that eventually blows our way.
>tfw Pittsburgh, the Steel City
Literally no working steel mills left, China took er jerbs
Luckily the city diversified its economy and we have plenty of other booming industries such as medical, financial, and internets
Build that fucking huge hydro-electric dam only using locally made Steel. Everyone wins in th e long-term
Otherwise we can't because our steel simply isn't competitive
>>69680604
U only have coal
>>69680604
Drop carbon tax shit, subsides filters and whatever instead.
>>69688233
Just as one small sign, I was told that I wanted crapsman tools with steel stamped Made in the USA. I did happen to get those shortly before they changed over. And I like to abuse things.
I've never had to bring the old stuff back to Sears. The new stuff? Uh, yeah, even the managers have been surprised at how it turned to putty without even any abuse.
>>69681502
>It's fucked mate, let it die.
first post best post
>>69680604
make more things out of steel
too bad that in your "country" anything made of steel is probably considered a weapon so you'd have foundries turning out goods only to be binned.
>>69688551
Neoliberals must be hanged from the lampposts (made of high-quality Sheffield steel).
>>69688635
oy vey goyim use plastic it's the future and makes medical devices to save your life, buy oil stocks.
>>69683698
that steel mill lost at least a million a day. 365,000,000 a year. 3500 jobs, £104,000 a year the taxpayer will pay to keep a few people in employment.
This is socialism ladies and gentlemen
socialism is literally playing make believe
>>69688894
each worker is worth a -104,000 a year to keep employed??
>>69680604
Stop giving communists control of your government and embrace capitalism
>>69689040
capitalism is viewed with such negativity in this country. people ignore completely how capitalism makes their countries great to begin with. The voluntary exchange between people is apparently exploitative and instead they would prefer the government to be a paternal god responsible for everything in your life. people in this country essentially grow up expecting the government to take care of every aspect of their lives and its only getting worse generation to generation.
we will be a totalitarian communist state soon enough. it also explains why people are so welcoming to islam's authoritarian nature.
>>69688319
Literally all three of those things are terrible for economic longevity.
Mainly because internet anything can move in a matter of weeks and wipe out your industry. Pittsburgh will never be a major economic thoroughfare so I wouldn't call that an avenue, and medical will fuck you in the ass since
A)You let demoshits run your medical industry and likewise your state
B) southeast already dominates the industry
>>69686148
you're such an idiot.
>nobody from the far left all the way to the far right like Cameron yet he sits there
>NOBODY
>NEITHER LEFT NOR RIGHT
>LIKE CAMORON
>AS IN LIKE/DISLIKE
how would that sentence make any sense otherwise?
>nobody from the far left all the way to the far right (cameron being an example) YET He SITS THERE....
Makes no fucking sense you dense twat!
Buy a dictionary.
>>69688404
>subsides
There's a reason Scandinavia's economy is borderline dead
>>69689254
You should give free vacations to your people to visit the former colonies/dominions. I don't know if it's "capitalism" or not because I'm not a Marxist who has read Das Kapital, but those people know how to work for their shit and get ahead in a real market.
>>69688966
This is why Britain's economy collapsed within the space of 4 years in the 1970s
>>69688319
I'm from Sheffield, The Steel city, all my family worked in the factory for generations. Now it's just drug scum and Pakis around here.
>>69686148
>can't speak English
>Poor grammar, infantile sentence structure
Haha, ok kiddo.
>>69689472
>can't even quote the right post
I rest my case
>I don't like
>I don't likes
>we don't like
>we don't likes
>neither John nor James like Cameron
>neither John nor James likes Cameron
Go to school pleb.
If you still need the s, here's your S, and a (you) to go with it.
We don't seems to be the plan.
Really should put massive tarrifs on chinese steel but osbourne is in their pocket so it wont happen.
If we do nationalize it then what will we do with it and also how to stop it losing 1mil a day? we could always pump out lots of steel for our own projects such as HS2 and 3 etc but to stop it making a loss no idea since chinese steel is super cheap.
>>69689920
>Really should put massive tariffs on chinese steel
Yep. US puts up to 266% tariffs on Chinese steels already
>>69690453
>>69689920
How does massive tarrifs on chinese steel benefit us?
>>69687175
The Chinese import a lot of scrap iron/metals. Labor intensive industry benefits the Chinese.
>>69690945
benefits us both surely? we get cheap steel, they get their money
>>69691048
Historically, your little island, bereft of natural resources except for maybe a tiny speck in Wales, has been able to dominate the world through slave labor and transportation bringing raw materials in so that you could manufacture them better than the rest of the world.
So having the Chinese do the steel might make sense, but only if you were to be worth your value added tax turning it into useful products.
>>69690772
Massive tariffs completely wipe out dumped chinese steel, which is usually of a bad quality unless bought from high output nationalised producers, as the economic choice. It's only cheap anyway because of specific subsidy that encourages flooding markets in order to drown out and kill native industry, just as has been done with oil by OPEC, so that they can later raise prices and reap the benefits down the line.
Our steel producers aren't uneconomic and it's simply untrue to push that sort of line - if they were actually selling at prices pre-dumping, then they would be in economic trouble as they are now, and would still have to compete against non-chinese non-dumped steel market prices.
>>69680604
We dont. Service industry and high tech are white mans job.
>>69691229
>buy chinese steel
>make space elevator
>get space steel
ez
>>69691307
>>69691554
I'm all on board for driving the economy with a space program. Now you're speakin' a-my language.
>>69688816
RARE
>our steel industry
>owned by shitskins
kek
Isn't Chinese steel still shit tier or did all the machinery they bought from us fix that?
>>69693785
It is.
>>69691229
> bereft of natural resources
> First country in the world to undergo industrial revolution due to rich coal deposits
Pick one
>>69693785
Pretty much. The only steel that's not super shit is from the big nationalised mills, but you can't get that at lots less than say, 20 tons a piece. The rest is from cheap mills where it's literally defrauding people, and because of the protection for chinese business, they get away with it, start a new company, do it over and over again.
>>69687329
Their wages will rise and they will outsource it themselves eventually
>>69696299
Yes, but it continued due to technological development. Even your Industrial Revolution was predicated on the caloric supply needed to sustain the population needed to work the factories that was imported from Peru known as the potato.
Ask the potatoniggers how well it worked out when they tried to rely too hard on a foreign crop. Or maybe ask me since a lot of them washed up on our shores and made this country great. It's a give and take. But there's a reason why your castle surrounded by a moat is the world's capital of finance. It had to trek all the way up there from Northern Italy after the fall of Rome.
>>69696715
Wow, you are literally retarded.
> The century when potatoes were introduced into Europe
> The next century
> The century of the industrial revolution
Pick one.
