Holy fuck, I just realized that the EU is literally a hybrid between the United States and the Soviet Union.
>>69365137
It will only become more and more like the Soviet Union as they take away and restrict your rights due to the muslim invasion. For "safety reasons" and to stop "radical right wing groups" of course.
>>69365268
I wish that was true, sadly, it is not
The hybrid system creates very weak, moderate leadership
If your not gonna post now I will post this thread every day until you will
the eu is superior
how smart you idiot
>>69366901
>>69366663
http://webm.land/media/pQzS.webm
>>69367039
fuck off commie
>>69366663
The "E.U" doesn't exist, what does exist are corpotate and high financiates, you the "E.Uian" don't exist, nor matter, nor have power.
RISE UP AGAINST HIGH FINANCE!! RISE UP AGAINST THE POLITICANS!! RISE UP AGAINST ALL WHO WHO POWER OVER YOU THAT YOU NEVER GAVE!!!
>>69366663
Not for long.
>>69365137
>free speach
>free press
>EU
>>69366663
t. Angela Mackerel
>the US has more free press than the EU
>the US is more democratic than the EU
>the US has more free speech than the EU
weeuuw weeuuw weeuuw
>>69367653
We kind do
Actually what youve found out is the current stage of 'advancement' toward communism and how alamingly close we are getting
>>69367653
Depends on the state really.
In some states you are allowed to fly the Nazi flag on your house.
More democratic en-masse yes, We don't elect the EU president
free-press isn't necessarily free, and also defined by free speech. Here you cant deny ze holocost
The EU isn't a country and doesn't have a single set of laws. Gun laws for example are completely different between say the UK and the Czech Republic.
>>69367707
Depends on the country, really. You decidedly do not have more free speech/press than we do. And you also aren't more democratic.
>>69367886
>The USA isn't a country and doesn't have a single set of laws. Gun laws for example are completely different between say Texas and California.
>>69368704
USA isn't a country.
>>69368704
It is a union of countries, shitty one.
>>69365137
governments are just powerful businesses dumbass
>>69369286
The US is a federation made out of states. Russia is a federation as well but we still call it a country.
>>69365800
Can you kill yourself already and stop shitposting every 5 minutes?
>>69367821
I don't believe that there is any state where you are not allowed to fly a Nazi flag.
>>69367821
Yep, I was right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_legality_of_Nazi_flags#United_States
>>69365137
You can't have freedom of speech and press to a degree, you either have it or you don't.
>>69365137
Indeed. This explains a ot.
Even the name:
Continent name + Union
>>69369993
I came here to say this.
NEGATIVE RIGHTS!
>>69369456
I never understood in the end if States should be viewed as countries in a very close union or as semi-autonomous governates of the same Empire
>America
>free speech
that is why they cannot protest and have special areas where they can go to express their opinions right?
>>69370531
What are you talking about, faggot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bZLtg8OZYY
>>69367653
>his appointed EU president is more democratically elected than ours
>his state controlled news agency is freer than ours
>he can fly nazi flags and deny the holocaust in his country
W E W
E
W
>>69370430
The original idea was for them to be the former, but over time it became the latter.
>>69369993
it's limited speech, but called free speech.
progressives like playing with words meaning to change public perception of things. such as calling themselves the progressive when it can be argued that they support a large number of regressive policies that are only labeled progressive because of them.
>>69370430
semi-autonomous governments, though that became less true after the civil war where state sovereignity was reduced and continues to be as the federal government centralizes power
>>69370531
>implying protests do not empeed on other peoples rights
>>69369494
>Russia
>Federation
Top kek. They will always remain an empire no matter how they paint it.
>>69371927
>muh hurrr empire!!1 ebil ruskies!111 they opress minorities and gays!11
You can actually hear his hands rubbing together if you listen closely
The EU is obviously the new Holy Roman Empire.
>>69370849
All of that is true for the UK
>>69365137
>free to a degree
either its free or not.
>>69372261
>the EU is neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire
Even a leaf can be right every once in a while.
>>69365137
That infographic is BS.
Why? Because the EU isn't some super-state.
Let me analyze that for you:
1. Free market economy, I am pretty sure in quite a lot of areas the US is less free market than e.g. Germany or the Netherlands or Ireland or the UK or Sweden. However, France or Greece or Belgium etc. are socialist to a large degree.
Armed population - gun ownership in Finland or Austria is high, in the UK very low. Yes, America has 100 guns per 100 people, but, Finland has 50 guns per 100 people - so WTF?
The EU Commission is "Half elected"? You mean like the UK's government? The EU Commission requires a 50%+ majority confirmation vote by the directly elected EU parliament.
Healthcare is private in various EU countries. While there is lots of different welfare programs in America, Greece e.g. has no official state welfare programs for out-of-work people.
Freedom of speech - America has the Patriot Act, privacy and not being spied upon is much more important in Europe. Anti-Nazi laws and hate speech laws are one thing, in America you have a LOT bigger libel legal industry - so you got similar issues.
Free press... BS. Europe has freedom of the press. And America has state-sponsored TV just as Europe - in Europe the funding is just generally bigger, but that is decreasing.
The Soviet Union was a COMPLETELY different animal.
>>69372128
Put away the vodka Ivan I never called you evil. You're an empire simply because of the vast amount territory and different ethnic groups that are controlled centrally by Moscow. I hope you aren't naive enough to think your leadership is 'democratic' either.
Anyway, I enjoy your approach with gays and shitskins. Here enjoy this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwz4IWgyOM0
>>69371927
>Mad because they gave up their empire.
>>69365137
>freedom of speech to a degree
There is no such thing
There is free speech or there isn't, and in the EU's case, there isn't.
can't wait to leave
>>69372594
fuck you
>>69372272
You can barely fly a fucking British flag in the UK.
Let alone a fucking Nazi Flag.
>>69372434
your BS is even worse
>>69372594
:(
>>69372899
Now that's downright bullshit
Even the Nazi flag, although you will get social flak for it
>>69373001
>your BS is even worse
Give one example of my 'BS'. Just pick one thing, I challenge you.
>>69372899
>believing /pol/ memes
>>69372899
>Let alone a fucking Nazi Flag.
Post a picture of Americans flying the Nazi flag.
>>69372707
Don't raise your hopes yet fellow bong, the vote is gonna be rigged no matter what. The kikes won't let us get away that easy.
>>69373031
>Now that's downright bullshit
Its not in London :(
>>69373174
>>69372874
don't worry brittbro you've got those 3 sheep in the falklands, right?
good for you.
I'm proud.
>tfw American
>>69373276
Looks like a chink to me.
>>69365137
What's the matter with European free speech?
>>69373276
>>69365137
Shame the USSR lost.
>>69366663
holy fuck I completely agree but I just realized that amongst my 4 GB of reaction images, I do not have one single image expressing consent
>>69373500
>>69373279
62% white. Fuck off to your safe space Jamal Gonzalez.
>>69365137
The USSR had Guns BTW
>>69373545
>>69373654
>>69367821
>Netherlands pretending to know the U.S.
good to see him get his head out of the bonghole for once but all wrong. It doesn't depend on the state at all. Everywhere or nowhere.
>>69373399
Hate speech laws and anti-Nazi laws.
And America has hate speech limitations as well:
Some limits on expression were contemplated by the framers and have been read into the Constitution by the Supreme Court. In 1942, Justice Frank Murphy summarized the case law: "There are certain well-defined and limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise a Constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous and the insulting or 'fighting' words – those which by their very utterances inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace."
>>69365137
>guns are hard to get
define hard
>>69365137
Pff. We in Russia call EU "Eurosovok", with "sovok" being a derogatory for SU.
>>69373717
>>69365268
It was once said that communism would be slowly indoctrinated right under our noses.
>>69373086
>Give one example of my 'BS'. Just pick one thing, I challenge you.
all points are BS.
>Why? Because the EU isn't some super-state.
what else is it? Why all this consolidation and merging, including common currency, flag anthem etc.?
>1. Free market economy, I am pretty sure in quite a lot of areas the US is less free market than e.g. Germany or the Netherlands or Ireland or the UK or Sweden. However, France or Greece or Belgium etc. are socialist to a large degree.
why is France socialist, and Germany not? Where are means of productions nationalized?
There is no such thing as free market, markets are always regulated.
>Armed population - gun ownership in Finland or Austria is high, in the UK very low. Yes, America has 100 guns per 100 people, but, Finland has 50 guns per 100 people - so WTF?
still EU pushes for an EU wide ban for guns
>The EU Commission is "Half elected"? You mean like the UK's government? The EU Commission requires a 50%+ majority confirmation vote by the directly elected EU parliament.
parliamentary tyranny is no democracy, if ppl would be able to vote directly, they would want to leave the EU, see what happened with the EU constitution iN F and NL...
>Healthcare is private in various EU countries. While there is lots of different welfare programs in America, Greece e.g. has no official state welfare programs for out-of-work people.
however some EU countries have to bail out other EU countries, which doesn't happen in the USA
>Freedom of speech - America has the Patriot Act, privacy and not being spied upon is much more important in Europe. Anti-Nazi laws and hate speech laws are one thing, in America you have a LOT bigger libel legal industry - so you got similar issues.
implying we're not constantly spied upon?
>>69372434
Brussel 50 cent poster?
>>69373735
That is called disorderly conduct here in the states.
You can't just go to McDonalds and order loudly using curse words and scaring people via intimidation
That's against the law and nigger tier
>>69373735
>Hate speech laws
You can say whatever you want and say racist stuff in a polite manner from what I know?
>anti-Nazi
That seriously doesn't matter, it's like banning flat-earthers yes it might not be right if you look at it from a freedom standpoint but it's not like they had anything useful to add in the first place.
>>69373875
>Free press... BS. Europe has freedom of the press. And America has state-sponsored TV just as Europe - in Europe the funding is just generally bigger, but that is decreasing.
this takes the cake, how can someone possibly claim media were free overhere? All reports are biased, censored, information is deliberately kept away from us.
>The Soviet Union was a COMPLETELY different animal.
the degree of democracy is eactly teh same, the difference are the social freedoms, here one can be a cuck, fag or furry what had not been possible in the USSR.
>>69373031
>Now that's downright bullshit
:^)
>>69367886
That is literally exactly how it works in the US dumbass. State to state our laws vary greatly but there is a certain minimum standard they have to meet
>>69373735
Ahmed you have to interpret laws before you enforce them. The word "immediate" there mean that unless you are telling an angry mob to burn a house down *and they do it* it doesn't matter.
>>69365137
Higher isn't private mostly in the US. They are funded by states, but not free.
People going to private schools here pay like 4 times as much as public colleges
>>69365137
Why do people meme that the US is a free country with "free markets" and shit. Just cause we are "less socialist" than other countries doesn't mean we are free
>>69365137
Don't worry.
We're moving towards full Soviet Union and will reach it eventually.
>>69373602
No they didn't and don't today.
>>69365137
Baby looks retarded thanks to all the immigration agenda pushed by the jews. Neither su nor America got MILLIONS of uneducated 3rd worlders with barbaric beliefs coming over and cucking the locals with no control every year. Also, where the fuck is EU army? Or space achievements? Client states? Why is it ordered around by USA/Russia and has no independent foreign policy?
>>69373276
You know you browse too much /pol/ when you see this pic and only wonder why somebody would use the flag of the vatican.
>>69370430
The fucking southern cunts ruined everything when they tried to secede. After that it basically became >semi-autonomous governates of the same Empire
>>69373875
>>69373875
>what else is it?
It is called a supranational entity. Look it up.
>>69373875
>why is France socialist, and Germany not?
Germany has a very free market economy, France interferes into its economy in lots of cases and maintains restrictive labour laws which result in high unemployment.
>>69373875
>still EU pushes for an EU wide ban for guns
link? This is a myth. The EU has no power over guns.
>>69373875
>parliamentary tyranny is no democracy
What? Electing reps to a parliament is at the core of a democracy.
>>69373875
>if ppl would be able to vote directly, they would want to leave the EU
And yet they vote for 90% of the people who want to stay in the EU.
>>69373875
>however some EU countries have to bail out other EU countries, which doesn't happen in the USA
Has absolutely nothing to do with welfare.
>>69373875
>implying we're not constantly spied upon?
We are not. You haven't followed the discussions post Brussels? Europe has virtually no anti-terrorism and spying systems whatsoever and highly restrictive data protection rules. Austria was taking finger prints of illegals at the border, but was not allowed to send them to Germany and had to dispose of the data gathered within hours due to data protection rules.
>>69365137
no shit 25 years ago the continent was half soviet union and half "western ideals".
>>69374469
Dude, you can get shotguns and hunting rifles pretty easily here, just no assault rifles and hanguns (but you can get one very easily in black market if you wish).
>>69373573
62% White but 100% better than you limey bastards
>>69374034
>You can say whatever you want and say racist stuff in a polite manner from what I know?
Not profanity. And people can sue you of you insult them as niggers you wanna see fucked by a horse.
>>69374128
>All reports are biased, censored, information is deliberately kept away from us.
And yet we can all freely access media which is redpilled right here in Germany. How come if things are censored?
>>69374128
>the degree of democracy is eactly teh same,
So the Soviet union has a directly elected parliament, directly elected state governments which sent reps to an upper house and a government approved of by the parliament and lots of state referendums when changing the constitution?
do tell me more of this fairy tale Soviet paradise.
>>69371075
Youre a fucking retarded canadian subhuman. Basically the single most dystopian liberal racist bullshit society that's afraid of offending people.
Liberalism is racism.
Also, learn to spell impede, fucking halfwit
>>69374215
Last I checked you can Write 'I love horses long time' on your chest if you are a woman and walk around on a beach in the EU, while you are arrested if a nipple shows anywhere in public in America. Great freedom you have there.
>>69365137
>Holy fuck, I just realized that the EU is literally kikes
>>69373276
Howry shit...I'm fucking jealous.
>gibsmedat
>>69374519
>the South secedes because they see the writing on the wall that points to the US becoming tyrannical
>it's the South's fault the US became tyrannical
You're painfully retarded.
>>69375220
last I checked you can walk around in public in America without being raped by 1000 muslims. Great freedom you have there.
>>69375220
Wrong. Completely incorrect. Check again (or check for the first time, since you just pulled your statements out of your ass).
>>69374567
>It is called a supranational entity. Look it up.
and supranational contradicts super-state?
it directly interfers and regulates our lives.
>Germany has a very free market economy, France interferes into its economy in lots of cases and maintains restrictive labour laws which result in high unemployment.
very free? except is it is highly subsidized. And unemployment is high too, those in various programs and subsidized mini jobs just are nout counted as unemployed.
>link? This is a myth. The EU has no power over guns.
http://german-rifle-association.de/campain-eu-gun-ban/
>What? Electing reps to a parliament is at the core of a democracy.
no it isn't, it is typical for representative aka indirect democracies - in other words what passes parliaments does not reflect popular opinion. Guess why they hate and fear referendums this much, e.g. Brexit.
>And yet they vote for 90% of the people who want to stay in the EU.
over 50% of ppl didn't vote for any EU parliament, anti EU opinions are made inpopular once again only a referendum could bring clarification.
>Has absolutely nothing to do with welfare.
it has, as much of what makers pay is tranferred to the takers
>We are not. You haven't followed the discussions post Brussels? Europe has virtually no anti-terrorism and spying systems whatsoever and highly restrictive data protection rules. Austria was taking finger prints of illegals at the border, but was not allowed to send them to Germany and had to dispose of the data gathered within hours due to data protection rules.
haha and no Anette Kahane censors FB posts....
there is Europol and an ever increasing merger of police forces within EU
>>69373510
>thinking the ussr was an enemy of the us
>not knowing the russian revolution was wholely financed by well-connected freemasons
Youre probably going to call me tinfoil or some shit, but im just telling you a documented historical fact.
This isnt co spiracy theory
>>69372874
Hahaha God that was good. I could just feel the frustration.
>>69373031
Wish you still had an empire, sometimes I wonder how Europe would look with British Empire and Third Reich.
>>69373249
Says who?
I live just off central london lol
>>69373246
>>69375032
>And yet we can all freely access media which is redpilled right here in Germany. How come if things are censored?
I don't get you, what is redpilled here? Free access to media is no freedom of press, the regime freely can spread its propaganda, indeed.
>So the Soviet union has a directly elected parliament, directly elected state governments which sent reps to an upper house and a government approved of by the parliament and lots of state referendums when changing the constitution?
USSR didn't have this, neither have we
>do tell me more of this fairy tale Soviet paradise.
I didn't say USSR was a paradise
>>69373276
BASED Don E. Knuth
>>69365137
You could buy guns in the USSR
The E.U. is a knock-off cargo cult United States. The Eurocrats are ape Washington's FDR style bureaucrats in the hope of attracting the prosperity fairy. Not realizing that the FDR style pseudo fascist structure is prosperous because it had a free society to loot. In exactly the same way the Nazi's looted the extremely liberal (European Liberal) corpse of the republic they displaced. An illusionary prosperity founded on people reared in the republic and dragooned into service of the state instead of the people.
>>69365137
America : Freedom of speech to a degree (i.e. political correctness)
>>69375713
>last I checked you can walk around in public in America without being raped by 1000 muslims. Great freedom you have there.
Only two EU states have a higher rape percentage per capita than the US - Sweden and Belgium.
America has a rape culture in college and among minorities. Europe has isolated Muslim rapes and a massive rape culture in Sweden (due to how rape is defined there... in Sweden, if you have consensual sex and a woman then says she actually felt pressured, it is rape).
>>69365137
You JUST realized this?
>'Free-market' economy
US has much more protectionist measures that the EU (look it up)
>Armed population
That's only half the equation. Look also at how the state is armed. USSR and US are much more heavily armed than the EU states
>Free press
US news is a joke and in Europe public broadcasting tends to be more objective than all other media which are all party aligned.
>elected President
Yeah but look at the joke that is the US presidential elections. Plus their federal government is much more overbearing. EU states still have much more autonomy than US states.
>>69365137
>>69365137
dialectics
>>69372434
>France more socialist than Germany
This is false. Their unions are just louder.
But German unions actually hold more political sway. Plus the Mittelstand is more socialistic in spirit compared to the huge employer corporations that France has.
>>69365137
holy shit.
really
how come i did not realize it earlier
it fits perfectly
+1 annon.
>>69375963
>and supranational contradicts super-state?
Yes, it is both in the name and in the definition. Look it up.
>>69375963
>except is it is highly subsidized.
It is not. That is absolute BS. Some mini jobs programs don't mean the German economy isn't just as free as America's economy. One problem in Germany is that larger companies cannot easily fire and hire people - that is the main difference to America.
>>69375963
>http://german-rifle-association.de/campain-eu-gun-ban/
REad the proposals, it deals with registration and how things are sold and produced. Where does it say that guns are banned? Where?
>>69375963
>no it isn't, it is typical for representative aka indirect democracies
Every single democracy on Earth is an indirect democracy. WTF? Referendums are still held all across the EU, based on STATE laws.
>>69375963
>over 50% of ppl didn't vote for any EU parliament
I was talking about state governments which are all, even the UK one, pro-EU. If people are all so anti-EU, why do they all (in ALL 28 states) for pro-EU governments which do not want to exit the EU?
>>69375963
>it has, as much of what makers pay is tranferred to the takers
Again, it has nothing to do with welfare to exchange debt of a country with other forms of debt.
>>69375963
>there is Europol and an ever increasing merger of police forces within EU
No, there is not. That is the whole problem. Europol has virtually zero responsiblities and a tiny budget. Police forces in the EU are critizised for not communicating at all with each other and basically have to watch TV to find out new information about events.
>>69377043
Looks around right
>>69372128
Ivan, calm down. We want you to oppress minorities and gays.
>>69377347
>This is false. Their unions are just louder.
It is about labor laws and state interference. There is a reason France has a 10% unemployment and Germany has 4% (despite Eastern Germany still being a shithole).
>>69377554
>Yes, it is both in the name and in the definition. Look it up.
the outcome is the same for someone who wants neither
>It is not. That is absolute BS. Some mini jobs programs don't mean the German economy isn't just as free as America's economy. One problem in Germany is that larger companies cannot easily fire and hire people - that is the main difference to America.
you are joking, right? How do you think the EU domestic market is so important here? Ever looked up subsidies paid to farmers and companies?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_Policy
minijobs are subsidized too, as no one can live with 1€ jobs. Still those are not counted as unemployed, and there are millions. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufstocker#Anspruch_auf_Arbeitsf.C3.B6rderungsleistungen
>REad the proposals, it deals with registration and how things are sold and produced. Where does it say that guns are banned? Where?
What changes to the Firearms Directive is the Commission proposing today?
To make it more difficult to acquire firearms, including deactivated firearms
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-15-6111_de.htm
>Every single democracy on Earth is an indirect democracy. WTF? Referendums are still held all across the EU, based on STATE laws.
No, Switzerland isn't. We are purposefully restricted from referendums.
You just said it, every "democracy" does it, that's why it is hypocritical to call EU members democracies, and Russia and China not.
>I was talking about state governments which are all, even the UK one, pro-EU. If people are all so anti-EU, why do they all (in ALL 28 states) for pro-EU governments which do not want to exit the EU?
because the main concern isn't EU; this does not mean major support. in parliamentary tyrannies one only can vote for a bundle of proposals, not on several issues seperately and directly.
>>69366663
This. The middle path is the best path. Best of both worlds.
>>69377554
>Again, it has nothing to do with welfare to exchange debt of a country with other forms of debt.
this actually has, why do you think the poor countries on the Balkans etc. are desperate to join? They hope for EU funds too.
>No, there is not. That is the whole problem. Europol has virtually zero responsiblities and a tiny budget. Police forces in the EU are critizised for not communicating at all with each other and basically have to watch TV to find out new information about events.
this does not change the fact CEPOL etc, get increased funds and support.
>>69365137
The EU hasn't even reached it's final form yet.
When it does it will implement islamic communism.
>>69378820
>Ever looked up subsidies paid to farmers and companies?
Ever looked at how much corn and other farm subsidies and export subsidies go to American farmers? It is MASSIVE. Farming is a lot more important in America than Europe.
>>69378820
>minijobs are subsidized too, as no one can live with 1€ jobs. Still those are not counted as unemployed
Same in America. Many states have programs to get the long term unemployment rate down by subsidizing job programs for the long term unemployed.
>>69378820
>To make it more difficult to acquire firearms, including deactivated firearms
The directive focuses on the registration and selling etc. of firearms. There is nothing in it about a ban as you suggested.
>>69378820
>No, Switzerland isn't.
Tell that to the Nationalrat and the Bundesrat and the MPs there.
>>69378820
>We are purposefully restricted from referendums.
Not by the EU. By the German Grundgesetz. Pretty much any other EU state has referendums.
>>69378820
>You just said it, every "democracy" does it, that's why it is hypocritical to call EU members democracies,
Every democracy has some kind of elected parliament, every one. China is not a democracy because they do not have free elections.
Russia has some problems with suppressing free elections by suppressing opposition parties and the freedom of the press.
>>69378820
>in parliamentary tyrannies one only can vote for a bundle of proposals, not on several issues seperately and directly.
BS, if it were true (which it is evidenced by a wide variety of polls) that EU citizens in all EU states want OUT of the EU, then I am very sure there would at least be one government in the EU which has a policy to get out of the EU. Yet in all 28 states, even in the UK, all government parties have a pro-EU policy in place. ALL.
>>69369871
>Even fucking Israel lets you fly Nazi flags
>Germs can't
>>69365137
>USA
>FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Nice try.
>>69379884
>>Germs can't
Guess why. Have Americans never thought about WHY Germany had to introduce Anti-Nazi laws in 1945 and who pushed for it?
Have Americans never thought that any German politician suggesting to change the Anti-Nazi laws would immediately end his or her career in suggesting that, because everyone would say "this is a Nazi"?
>>69380276
any german politician who doesn't say refugees welcome is called a nazi
>>69381128
But if you are a fildy gommunist who hates family, nation, cultural identity and traditional values, you are called a "progressive".
>>69381128
>any german politician who doesn't say refugees welcome is called a nazi
Americans, they believe everything what people say on pol.
Polls say that 70% of Germans disagree with Merkel's fugee policy. The CSU (part of the German government coalition) has said the "refugees welcome" shit was insane and has lobbied for 8 months to stop the madness. The CDU (Merkel's own party) has a large share of dissenters. Even the social democrats have said the "refugees welcome" banners were a mistake.
And Merkel for many months now has said Germany need to work to close the EU borders and keep them shut tight and significantly reduce the number of fugees coming to Germany.
So WTF?
>>69381722
500,000
>>69381722
Ha ha ha, good one mate. Excellent.
The Social Democrats, along with the Greens and The Left, were even more radical on getting rapefugees - not limiting any form of family unification for example. And the vast majority of CDU politicians have supported Merkel. AND everything the CSU has done was loud mouthed big talked and doing NOTHING. They just played the bad cop. - Sooner or later the true dissenters will leave CDU/CSU/SPD.
If the Balkan countries and Austria alone hadn't closed the route, we would still be flooded now. And while they were doing it on their own decision Merkel opposed it!
>>69381722
Nice U turn gerbros. Now i want to see of things boils down or escalate
> US
> feedom of speech
Wat
>>69382241
>Now i want to see of things boils down or escalate
It will escalate in Italy. Most fugees are now wanting to come to Italy via North Africa. And Austria and Switzerland are shutting their borders tight, so Italy will have to cope with them... or man up and actually get some agreement with Libya to fucking keep illegals there.
>>69379874
>Ever looked at how much corn and other farm subsidies and export subsidies go to American farmers? It is MASSIVE. Farming is a lot more important in America than Europe.
of course, I never denied that. Still US products get a much higher tariffs when exported here compared to EU products going to the USA, also corporate taxes are way lower here, VAT and income taxes higher, this money is used to subsidieze exports...no wonder Trump's proposals are feared overhere (and Japan)
>Same in America. Many states have programs to get the long term unemployment rate down by subsidizing job programs for the long term unemployed.
also no disagreement on my side, enough Americans moan about the increased Europeanization....
>The directive focuses on the registration and selling etc. of firearms. There is nothing in it about a ban as you suggested.
make it more difficult to buy is a quasi ban. Also any restriction to buy weapons is tyrannical and anti-democratic - particularly in the light Islamic terrorists' actions serve as pretext to restrict the lives of EU subjects even more.
>Tell that to the Nationalrat and the Bundesrat and the MPs there.
they always have referendums e.g. whether to buy new fighter jets, Yes or No, ppl voted no...
those cantones with the highest degree of direct democracy are those with the highest living standards and lowest debts.
>Not by the EU. By the German Grundgesetz. Pretty much any other EU state has referendums.
the GG permits referendums, the ruling caste does not.
>Every democracy has some kind of elected parliament, every one. China is not a democracy because they do not have free elections.
we neither have free elections. There is no competition of ideas and no free choice.
>Russia has some problems with suppressing free elections by suppressing opposition parties and the freedom of the press.
same overhere, except media conditioning and propaganda is stronger.
>>69381943
>500,000
500k what?
fugees? Yes? So?
I got a number for you too: 12,000,000.
>>69382486
You've obviously never lived in North Korea, I mean Germany.
Why is /pol/ full of children?
>>69379874
>BS, if it were true (which it is evidenced by a wide variety of polls) that EU citizens in all EU states want OUT of the EU, then I am very sure there would at least be one government in the EU which has a policy to get out of the EU. Yet in all 28 states, even in the UK, all government parties have a pro-EU policy in place. ALL.
there is no such thing as EU citizen, citizens are sovereign, we're EU subjects. Who makes these polls, and who makes pro-EU propaganda all day long? Why is it not tested on the "free market", let people decide freely about this issue. Once again you refer to indirect democracy as evidence, no one votes a party because of one single issue, the point is let people vote in a referendum directly rather than for parliaments. And the Eurosceptics in parliaments are increasing BTW
>>69383166
Because 4chan is a children board.
>>69382871
at least 500k this year, though the current number of rapefugees coming in may have the number be even high than 2015s intake by the end of the year
ethnic german minority tipping point 2020 at current rate.
>>69365137
L'doh.
>>69383472
20 million muslims in Germoney by 2020 is one suggested scenario.
>I feel fine
>>69382783
As long as swen wants the BBC we're safe :^)
>>69383472
>at least 500k this year, though the current number of rapefugees coming in may have the number be even high than 2015s intake by the end of the year
500k in the US?
Do you mean Germany? We are at 110k right now this year and the numbers coming in per day are now at 100 on average. So it will not be more than 150k this year.
>>69384732
Afaik the immigrants of January and February alone were 168k. And the numbers could rise again in Spring and Summer.
>>69374128
It's the same here but that's because the Jews have a monopoly on mass media and banking and just about everything
>>69374430
New Hitler will lead our people to victory against the jew commies
>>69385921
116k first time applications for asylum in Jan and Feb 2016.
https://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlagen/DE/Downloads/Infothek/Statistik/Asyl/statistik-anlage-teil-4-aktuelle-zahlen-zu-asyl.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
The whole "double counting" shit electronic system which said 1.1 million came last year (when it was less than 600k) is unreliable.
No other EU state, as in NO OTHER one, uses such an unreliable system. All other EU state only count asylum applications. Otherwise Austria would have received 1 million fugees last year as well... which it has not, they received 85,000 based on asylum claims.
>>69370531
At least we're allowed to deny the Holocaust pham. It never happened! Heil Hitler!
>>69385921
>And the numbers could rise again in Spring and Summer.
P.S. could have should have would have... fact is, right now, barely any fugees come and Austria just said they will not led any single fugee through its territory... not to mention that the Balkan route is shut tight and Austria is a week or two away to close the mountain passes from Italy which is the only way fugees can come to Germany (except if they go through Switzerland, which will do the same thing as Austria or already does that).
