Well then Aussies, who are you voting for in the upcoming elections? Sticking with ol' Turnkey then?
>>69328534
They're all so dogshit, this coming from a traditional Labor voter. It's not like I have a choice, guess I'll be voting the least worst option and run with Shorten. Might put NXT in senate if he runs candidates in my state.
>>69328534
No fucking choice, we have to go Liberal or they introduce 'Safe Schools' Leftist indoctrination. Though having that pass could rile up the silent majority to take back the country.
>>69328534
I'm not voting at all.
I don't want to legitimise the system.
>>69328534
Voting liberal.
In reality, the leader of the party is just a figure head.
Sure you can bash on Turnbull, but I still agree with the policies more of Liberal than of Labor.
I suppose I just hate workers unions.
As for senate voting I'm thinking voting in this order:
Liberal
Nationals
Gun lobby
Australian Alliance
Family First
And I don't know my sixth vote yet.
>>69328534
Greens.
>>69328534
LNP is the only option even if it is shitty just remember to vote below the line so minor parties don't get cucked so hard
>>69328715
>Though having that pass could rile up the silent majority to take back the country.
To be honest, I think it would take much more than just safe schools to wake people up. If shit like terrorist bombings across the world and the Sydney siege isn't enough to wake people up, telling a 13 year old boy that he can be a girl if he wants won't.
>>69328799
Enjoy your 400 dollar fine
>>69328900
Care to explain why? Genuinely interested why people vote for them
Is Clive Palmer the Donald Trump of Australia?
>>69329010
Not really.
Clive doesn't get enough support.
And he ran under his own banner, not under one of the major parties.
Plus, Clive isn't based. He just wanted to get into parliament to scrap the mining tax so he could increase his profit margin.
>>69328534
Turnshit is going to suffer the same fate Gillard did after she stole power.
Nobody wants to vote the other side in because they are led by a complete shitter, but nobody is happy with those in power, so we will see a huge boost in minor parties which will force the Libs to make deals to maintain power.
Whole system is fucked and everyone is just disillusioned with it m8.
>>69328996
https://australia.isidewith.com/political-quiz
Got close to 100% greens. Pol has posted this before but the American version of isidewith. Everything I read indicates I'm left-leaning too. Feel free to ask more questions.
I still need to get registered.
>>69328715
>not understanding that Turnbull, Pyne and most of the Libs support the Safe Schools indoctrination program.
>>69329010
that's probably old gina the terrestrial body
>>69328996
$20 fine* which I don't pay and isn't ever followed up. Australia has relatively few political prisoners. Once I turned up, signed off my name, and walked away without voting. The other two elections nothing happened at all when I didn't vote.
None. They're all cucks. I'll draw a dick and vote for that.
Fuck Democracy. It's the cause of all of our woes.
>>69328715
On the same bus, Anon. SS is a fkn worry and must be smashed at any cost
>>69329227
>Once I turned up, signed off my name, and walked away without voting
Did you tip your fedora as you edged away m8?
>>69329227
>fine which I don't pay and isn't ever followed up
Every time I don't vote I get a letter in the mail asking me why I didn't vote. this is both state and federal.
If you give a valid reason then you don't hear back from them with the fine.
>>69328534
>voting for Milkcum Prepbull
lol no. LDP.
>>69328534
Greens > Labor > Liberal, and I haven't decided which microparties will go where (but Liberal will be last regardless).
btw I'm not joking. Mad, Rightards?
>>69329412
>LDP
They are fucked now that their preference whispering rort has been ended.
Watching all the Australians converse with each other here is kind of like owning an ant farm.
Some election related photos when I was in Australia
>>69329436
I'm a greens voter but there's no reason to use 'retard' as an insult friend.
Voting Liberal, though all of them are so fucking shit, I just prefer Liberal because Labor are becoming cucks due to Labor Left. Poor Bubalo Bill =[
>>69329532
The Greens are such a joke. A literal party of cucks.
>>69329343
I just say he don't live here no more
>>69328534
Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party all day erry day
>>69329567
https://australia.isidewith.com/political-quiz
Do this, you'd be surprised how much left policy you agree with.
>>69329505
Poor banter m8.
>>69329532
>tfw its nearly the part of the cycle where greens get the balance of power because people have forgotten how obstructive and useless they are
>>69329591
New Zealand, would you ever consider rejoining Australia? Think of how strong you would be. And all that ocean territory inbetween!
>>69329343
What do they define as a valid reason?
>I couldn't find my wallet after a huge piss up the night before thus had no form of identification.
>>69329591
Ricky "Poo Chucker" Muir
lol
>>69328534
I'll probably just be doing what I always do and draw a box and right Adolf Hitler and tick that. Then fill out the senate form properly with shooters and fishers or something as 1st preference and Liberal, Labor and Greens as the worst three preferences.
>>69328602
this is the fucking problem with australian voters, you cunts think it is either labor or LNP and there is no other choice. Vote for someone else you dumb cunt.
I'm voting shooters and fishers party, then probably Rise Up Australia and a bunch of other dweebs before I get to LNP or Labor or the greens.
>>69329543
>i'm a greens voter
>plz dont say retard
>>69329567
Right on brother.
>>69329630
>>69329173
>>69328534
He's a cunt. A lying sack of shit.
>>69329575
Just say you're retarded. They known you're Australian so it'll check out
>>69328602
>this coming from a traditional Labor voter
What's wrong with you? do you have Jungle fever?
>>69329173
>Got close to 100% greens.
Don't stay up too late, you have school tomorrow
>>69329436
>btw I'm not joking. Mad, Rightards?
Greens would destroy the country, you would have to be an unemployed dumb cunt with no self respect to even consider the greens.
As much as I hate Turnbull, the liberals are the only party that hasn't gone full pants on head retarded yet.
Umm who to vote for,
the Libs, best for job as of curent
labour, can't run a government if they wanted to
The Greens , rather drink bleach before i vote for them
Nationals, same as voting the Libs party in reality
The Other partys ones are so small they will pass there votes to the major parties in reality because they only win a few seats at most
>>69329675
>What do they define as a valid reason?
They do not release the list of valid reasons publicly, but they would not be hard to guess.
Being sick on the day, having to care for someone else who was sick or otherwise dependent, unforeseen logistical problem (car breaking down etc).
I always say i was sick.
Lower house: Voting Greens. I'll jsut follow their how to vote card.
Only party with any kind of evidence based policy.
Upper house, probably something like
1. Bullet Train for Straya
2. Greens
3. Sex Party
4. Pirate Party
5. Some otehr microparty, proabbly Socialist Alliance
6. ALP
>>69329773
The lack of support for Palmer United on this board is sickening.
>>69329828
>>69329828
>evidence based policy
Top kek all the evidence says socialism and utopianism leads to disaster.
>>69329324
>>69329269
The quicker we can get rid of these 2 parties the better. Our system is fucked, so corrupted, so globalist. None of them give a fuck about Australia or it's people. We really need a sweep from top to bottom. This should easily be the easiest country in the world to manage,
>white majority
>well educated
>small population
>unlimited resources
How do you fuck this up by being so Jewed & Cucked?
Every cunt should be conscripted
Every Cunt should have a gun
Immigrants can LEASE land or business
Resources Nationalized
Banks Throttled
Master Race Breeding Camps
>>69329850
Palmer has neither the brains, influence or patriotism to be the equivalent of The Donald.
>lefties are trying to rewrite history to say the brits invaded australia, rather than settled here
>>69329173
you don't recognised a stacked deck when you see one?
>do you support the literal raping and pillaging of whales?
>YES: literally hitler
>NO: vote greens
>>69329773
>The Other partys ones are so small they will pass there votes to the major parties
thats the point
people who just go in to vote lib, labor or greens are fucking idiots vote for minor parties that share your interests and let the votes filter through
>>69329675
don't think i've been asked for id when voting.
>>69329918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDLAUmqp8f4
>>69329888
Evidence like: Negative gearing is pushing up housing prices. Greens want to abolish it entirely unlike pussy arsed Labor who only want to grandfather it.
Evidence like: Climate change is real and carbon pricing not only lowered Australia's greenhouse emissions but it increased investment into renewable technology.
Evidence like: Privatising natural monopolies leads to price gouging and corruption.
Evidence like: Every dollar invested in education pays itself off 27 times over. Greens want to make university free and they'll pay for that by removing the government HANDOUT to private, religious schools (currently 10 billion a year)
>>69329630
You'd be surprised how much I don't agree with Leftist policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Greens#Recent_policy_positions
Just a few:
>Ban the importation of animals for zoos in Australia "except where the importation will assist the overall conservation of the species"
Disagree. I want to see cool animals at the zoo.
>Opposition to uranium mining and nuclear power and a permanent prohibition on new large-scale dams on Australian rivers
Vehemently disagree with the former and assert that the Greens are almost single-handedly responsible for Australia missing a golden opportunity at being a world leader in nuclear power and research. Circumstantial with the latter, which could be avoided entirely as a problem with nuclear power.
>Ending Australia's Defence Treaty with the United States unless it can be changed to operate within the Greens view on Australia's national interest
Ridiculous given the growing power of China and India.
>Support for the 2011 military intervention in Libya.
Directly lead to the collapse of a stable government that protected Europe from hordes of niggers, which of course is bad for Leftists as niggers vote Left.
>Support for same-sex marriage.
Strongly oppose.
>Support for reproductive rights.
Viciously oppose and believe that any woman who aborts for any reason other than giving birth threatening her own life should be charged with murder.
>Prioritising family reunion migration, rural and regional distribution of refugees and enhancing regional co-operation.
Oppose. There are dozens of closer countries for Arabs and niggers to go to that are far more culturally compatible.
>Supported National Apology to the Stolen Generations.
Literally turned us into cucks and put boongs into a moral position of power of us.
So no, I don't agree with Leftist policies. They also support banning guns, which is inexcusable.
>>69329721
>>69328534
>voting
>>69330119
>Evidence like: Climate change is real and carbon pricing not only lowered Australia's greenhouse emissions but it increased investment into renewable technology.
tasmania fucked this one up.
> Evidence like: Privatising natural monopolies leads to price gouging and corruption.
telstra would be corrupt and would price gouge, irrespective of privatisation.
>>69330119
>Greens want to make university free
all this will do is drive down the values of degrees.
bachelors of arts will essentially become useless since every cunt will have one
>>69328534
Shooters and Fishers (or whatever they're called now) for the House, LDP for the Senate.
>>69330053
HOW THE FUCK HAVE I NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE???
>>69330173
>Agreeing with the Greens on social policy
Absolutely disgusting
>>69330294
> drive down the values of degrees
No shit, that's already the case mate. 60 years ago most people didn't complete highschool. Now you can't function in societyw ithout having done it and guess what, it's free because it's a requirement.
Having a bachelors will be a requirement to function within 20-30 years. People should not be indebted tot eh government, they should have the right toa free education.
>>69330119
>Evidence like: Every dollar invested in education pays itself off 27 times over. Greens want to make university free and they'll pay for that by removing the government HANDOUT to private, religious schools (currently 10 billion a year)
Great just what we need some more over educated nu-males. If you deserve to go to university you will have no trouble paying off the costs. Free education supports people who shouldn't be there in the first place.
Go to uni and fail? PAY DEBTS
>>69330294
>bachelors of arts
implying it isn't already useless
>>69330119
>by removing the government HANDOUT to private, religious schools (currently 10 billion a year)
Yeah, that'll be popular when about a third of Australian students go to independent schools and their parents pay taxes.
>>69328996
>Care to explain why? Genuinely interested why people vote for them
Their policy is actually usually mostly decent as a party. The problem is some of their politicians and many of their followers are extremely stupid.
Another problem is Liberal and labor are both hopelessly corrupt and act against the interests of Australians. So of the major parties you are left choosing between a pair of traitors or the greens who mean well but will have some policies you strongly dislike.
I always vote libertarian type parties in the senate but preference greens above lib/lab. For MP where I live the only options are Labor and Green, weakening the Labor party is my preferred choice.
>>69330417
It was the Euthanasia question that got me, I feel dirty
>>69330458
Well that's their parents fucking choice to make. If they want to tax dollars to goto their children's education they should send them to public schools.
>>69329735
>liberals aren't pants on head retards
>liberals want to spend half a fucking trillion dollars on the military
And you're calling me a kid for supporting the Greens? C'mon.
>>69329174
Have a form completed, signed and dated and sealed. If they actually catch up to you however unlikely "you made an effort" to register but got lost along the way. In legislation they can't fine you if you made an effort to register.
(Though if you went that far you may as well post that fucker. Use the online voting page, say you are too injured to travel to vote and complete online.)
>>69330172
>Vehemently disagree with the former and assert that the Greens are almost single-handedly responsible for Australia missing a golden opportunity at being a world leader in nuclear power and research
we would never have been a world leader, but it's looking like labor are also responsible.
>>69328534
im voting liberal and ala.
>>69330417
>muh gays cant marry god doesn't like it!
>>69328534
>Implying there is a worthy candidate
>>69330294
>all this will do is drive down the values of degrees.
oh please. uni has been free before, it's just that places weren't demand driven then and the workforce makeup was different.
uni places are demand driven now.
>>69330119
Negative gearing is only part of the problem, Foreign investment (some of it criminal) and population pressures from mass immigration, visa workers and refugees play a huge part as well.
Free university is not the answer huge amounts of people drop out after the first year and many get degrees that are useless the taxpayer should not be given this burden- perhaps a more reasonable alternative is waving/ refunding the student debts of people that graduate with useful degrees and work in the industry for over a year (Useful being STEM and medical roles)
>>69330549
Then they should pay less taxes then. If they get no benefit from taxes going towards Education, they shouldn't have to pay them.
As it is, they pay full taxes thus they should get full benefit. It is outrageously unfair otherwise. Sort of like saying if you have private health insurance you have absolutely no right to use public hospitals or bulk billing doctors.
>>69329173
Please kill yourself?
>>69330172
A fetus isn't a child and the death penalty is wrong. Please describe your physical appearance so I can avoid people like you.
>>69330781
>perhaps a more reasonable alternative is waving/ refunding the student debts of people that graduate with useful degrees and work in the industry for over a year (Useful being STEM and medical roles)
not a great idea. supply is higher than demand for most STEM degrees.
>>69330294
itll just make entry more competitive, and that cant be a bad thing. except for shit cunts
>>69330876
Isn't suicide a sin? Goddam conservatives are so fucking stupid.
>yfw labor somehow get majority
>>69330876
After you senpai.
>>69330885
>A fetus isn't a child
It is still objectively a member of the human species with a unique genome that the mother has no more right to kill than I have to kill her.
>and the death penalty is wrong
Yet you support the butchering of millions of unborn humans all around the world every year for feminist ideals that a woman's right to be a slut trumps the right to life.
>Please describe your physical appearance so I can avoid people like you.
That's a bit bigoted. People who look like me may well strongly support your neo-Marxist views. You could miss out on meeting potential friends.
>>69330975
>everyone who disagrees with my modern day communist party is a religious conservative
Green voters everybody
>>69329918
i'm a lefty and this genuinely sounds like a fantastic idea, although i must admit i am master race.
>>69329828
not a bad order
>>69329324
Kek, if a lad was wearing a dress every day when i was growing up i would have whacked him in the nadgers.
>>69328602
ahmen, give greens power just to see what they will do when they can't say no to everything anymore.
Stick it to all the unwashed left and the mudslimes
Saw a fat towelhead with her filthy spawn in the carpark after doing my shopping. Ruined the rest of my night.
Been seeing carloads of curry munchers and gooks driving round my white suburb scouting for properties trying to turn this place into another melbournistan. It's fucking disgusting.
Turnbull is a cunt but the right wing of the LNP has him by the balls so he's really just Abbott-lite, which wouldn't be unbearable. However they want to cockblock several important reforms that I care about.
Labor, however, has some really fucking tasty policies (negative gearing reform, possible NBN revamp, to name a few), but they're generally bad at things that are important to me like keeping the non-whites in their places.
LNP = mostly mediocre bad
Labor = some really good stuff, some terrible stuff
I just don't know. I guess we'll see what happens. Leaning Labor sliiiightly at the moment.
Frankly they all belong on scaffolds though. You could gut a politician and there'd be nothing inside. They're just skin-suits that can laugh and smile and cry but they don't feel. They're not even human. If they were good people they wouldn't have gone into politics, and they will sell this country out without batting a fucking eye.
Cory Bernardi said all the right things for me on that 7.30 Report appearances he did recently.
>>69329173
this is pretty. Only three of my stances matched with the green so 80% match.
>>69330938
Hence the working part - If we bomb housing prices people might have more incentive to invest in socks/industry, might be the shot in the arm to create more STEM jobs, Less Visas for these jobs might help too (perhaps increase tax deductions for Australia based R&D projects or something too?)
>>69329010
No he's pro Palmer and that's it.
>>69329324
It's already been axed, Victoria is going ahead with it anyway.
>>69331249
Should of zimmerman'd the lot of them
>>69331373
Daniel Andrews is a closet Bolshevik
>>69328900
>6 letters and a decimal
>Guarenteed (you)'s
We are in the presence of a true master.
Please don't get rid of the school uniforms
It was hard to not get a boner when you took a bus and there was young and cute ripe guys in uniform shorts
>>69331373
>axed
You mean had minor changes made.
>>69331259
this honestly, senpai desu desu senpai.
worst election ever. I'm voting fucking Trump.
>>69329122
Its not the systems fault that retards keep getting in. We'd be worse off under the american system.
>>69328534
Liberal party probs. Labor don't look to bad at the moment though. Fuck the degenerate open border green party.
I think it's scary that literally every major western nation that i know of is having huge problems with people and their politicians.
> America: RNC / DNC Establishments both pick the lesser candidates.
> Australia: Lib / Lab both backstabbing retards putting in new PMs every time the sun rises.
> Europe: HUGE explosion in Right Wing popularity (unheard of even 5 years ago)
And i'm hearing shit about Britain's Conservatives being fucked and their lefties being led by a literal socialist not winning them any favors.
We're in for a bumpy ride bois.
>>69331162
This 1000%
Best party by far.
LDP voter here
>>69330294
>all this will do is drive down the values of degrees.
Yeah, we wouldn't want the dirty poor getting educations because then you wouldn't be so valuable. Nevermind the flow-on effects from having a highly educated workforce which is pretty much the sole reason why Australia isn't fucking India, you've gotta make bank.
This is the most retarded fucking logic I've ever heard. Should we close down highschools as well because all they do is lower the value of your secondary schooling? I mean, mother of fuck. How can people genuinely believe there is such a thing as "too much education".
Just write in another square on the ballot and put Trumps name in
>>69331501
I mean had the funding cut, there will be no SS funding from federal Gov't next year. IF Libs stay in power.
>>69329543
>I'm a greens voter but there's no reason to use 'retard' as an insult friend.
Full Definition of retard
transitive verb
1
: to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment
>>69328534
It makes no difference mate, you pick one of two sides of the same shit stained coin. Whether we end up with Blinky Bill or Malcuck Prepthebull, we're fucked anyway. The gravy train is about to run out of steam and stop dead; God help the people who haven't realised this yet.
>>69331259
Cory Bernadi talking about small government and liberty again?
While supporting banning same sex marriage and other big government christian fundamentalist policies?
Just ignore him. Him and his buddies are what's killing the Liberals from the inside.
Labor NBN policy is a farce. Any party that comes up with a government constructed and owned monopoly on telecommunications is going to be a policy that takes longer than a single term that will never materialise. Just like the original NBN which was behind schedule and overbudget. It was never going to happen.
Shorten is a union puppet. Bad news. Not as bad news as the rabid feminist SJW Tanya Plibersek who will replace him when they lose the next election. Never vote for Labor while she is in parliament. Because there's an inside chance she will be leader and PM at some point.
Only time voting Labor will be acceptable in the next 10 years is if Albanese becomes leader. Supported Liberals border policy and is a friend of Andrew Bolt.
>>69331597
>How can people genuinely believe there is such a thing as "too much education"
People who see how many are defaulting on student loans in the US and HECS in Australia. If those people are unable to pay back the cost of the degree it speaks to the economic benefit of getting it in the first place.
>>69331565
>open border green party
The ironic thing is if the greens had been in charge, for most of their history we would have ended up with far less migrants.
They used to oppose immigration on environmental grounds.
They gave this up when it became untenable to be against asylum seekers. They couldn't resist the moral posturing.
Still, they probably dislike economic immigrants more than the major parties and under the greens overall immigration might be less, even if we take in more muslims and niggers.
>>69329173
the fuck
just wasted 10m of my life fuck off cunt
>>69331586
Are UPF officially registered as a party?
>tfw /pol/ can't handle the Banter
Voting Greens. Wouldn't be surprised if they pick up 2- 3 seats in the lower house and get he balance of power in the senate.
>>69331755
*Bandter
>>69331697
>They gave this up when it became untenable to be against asylum seekers.
They gave up on it when they decided to drop the charade that they are the party of conservation and nature instead of the modern manifestation of the communist party.
A quick read of the history of people like Brown, Milne and Hanson-Young will show you that.
>>69331755
Seek help.
>>69329735
>Gets buttblasted about the Greens
>Provides zero reasons for it
Let me guess, you get triggered by gay people.
>>69331755
What exactly do you like about their policies?
Being fairly libertarian I can accept things like DUDE WEED, legal suicide and fag marriage but how can you actually vote for a party who wants open borders and to dismantle the industry of our second largest export?
>>69331779
Bob Brown came to the Greens through environmental issues, not Marxist ones. Christine Milne was the same.
The Marxist faction has strengthened in recent years though, and it has become almost impossible to imagine an environmentalist who isn't also a leftist on social and economic issues. But that wasn't always the case.
>>69330271
>telstra would be corrupt and would price gouge, irrespective of privatisation
Wouldn't they be far less able to, or to far less of an extent if the government literally owned and operated them though? If they price gouge, or get away with it, the Government is responsible, so they're less likely.
Privatization for the sake of privatization is retarded. You should privatize the shit that doesn't work, not the hugely profitable, ever expanding infrastructure that will be worth 20x as much in 5 years time. That's just a bad investment for the populace.
>>69331755
(You)
>>69331681
>People who see how many are defaulting on student loans in the US and HECS in Australia.
you can't default on HECS.
student loans in the US are a totally different matter. the price of degrees there are ridiculous and the rate of price increases has been some stupid magnitude of inflation.
>>69331879
We already recognize same sex couples
>>69331879
They're anti-CSG. It's a big issue where I live (mid north coast of NSW).
>>69331681
>Cory Bernadi talking about small government and liberty again?
>While supporting banning same sex marriage and other big government christian fundamentalist policies?
That doesn't bother me. I'm not a liberal, I'm a conservative.
>Labor NBN policy is a farce
Agreed but if we're going to have a travelling circus that takes 50 years to get the system up and running we may as well spring for the 5 star one. In for a penny, in for a pound, as they say.
>Shorten is a union puppet.
Also agreed, and that's one thing I don't like. I want the LNP to get in for its union corruption reforms, even though they are 75% just a political attack on Labor anyway, but I really want some of Labor's policies to get through. Just... none of their other policies.
>People who see how many are defaulting on student loans in the US and HECS in Australia
US is not Australia.
How many people in Australia are failing to pay back their HECS debt? How could we even possibly know that considering the people who graduate now aren't expected to pay off their HECS debt for decades?
>>69331584
>I think it's scary that literally every major western nation that i know of is having huge problems with people and their politicians.
Western democracy has failed, the lack of mechanisms to deal with large parties, media corruption, politicians using mass migration to gain votes and many other things have destroyed it in it's current form.
A new democratic system needs to be developed from the beginning that takes into account how much has changed in the last few hundred years. But existing politicians will never agree to that. So it will just trundle along until things get bad enough that the population revolts.
>>69331904
>Wouldn't they be far less able to, or to far less of an extent if the government literally owned and operated them though?
it's not until you hear the scary stories from telstra employees that you realise that some of the shit that happens is based on when they were a government owned company, and it continues because there was never a total clear out when it was privatised.
> If they price gouge, or get away with it, the Government is responsible, so they're less likely.
some of their pricing is restricted by government, iirc landline voice and data connections.
>>69332159
So our options are
> Get ripped off, but be unwilling to do anything because uninformed voters.
or
> Get ripped off, but be unable to do anything.
I'd still prefer the former, given it's also producing money directly for the government, rather than just taxes that have been loopholed to shit.
>>69331969
>Agreed but if we're going to have a travelling circus that takes 50 years to get the system up and running we may as well spring for the 5 star one.
yes and no. take up of the fast version of the 5 star one is terrible. something like around three quarters of customers take the bottom bandwidth tier. and then the customers are of the belief that they've purchased uncontended internet access.
>>69331895
https://ipa.org.au/publications/2243/the-far-left-history-of-the-australian-greens
>>69331945
Greetings time traveller.
>>69331963
If you care about the country so much that CSG is a big issue, why would you vote for the open borders party?
>>69331969
>Turnbull is a cunt but the right wing of the LNP has him by the balls so he's really just Abbott-lite, which wouldn't be unbearable. However they want to cockblock several important reforms that I care about.
Made it seem like you were a libertarian frustrated with christian fundamentalism in the libs.
>US is not Australia
Economic and financial concepts still apply. You want to know when you have too much education? It's when people can't afford to pay back the cost of that education.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-education-bubble-is-now-upon-us-2015-11-09
>How many people in Australia are failing to pay back their HECS debt?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/grattan-institute-cut-student-loan-threshold/news-story/3da1fa984b2807c3e6f1ec6365315abe
>The report points to increasing numbers of graduates, particularly in vocational programs, who will never earn an income high enough to repay, or will only earn such a salary for short periods.
>The total number of people accessing HELP schemes almost doubled in the eight years to mid-2015 to 2.2 million.
>How could we even possibly know that considering the people who graduate now aren't expected to pay off their HECS debt for decades?
It's not difficult to model these things out.
Anything you subsidise, you get more of. Governments are distorting the market of education resulting in people with degrees who's value is lower than the cost and it's creating a bubble in America. Like most things we are a couple years behind them.
>>69332388
>why would you vote for the open borders party?
And you think the LNP isn't open borders? They're rabidly pro-457 visas, which is even worse than being pro-refugee since it kills jobs and depresses wages.
>>69332531
I mean, at least the Greens want to cut back on the 457 visas and are also anti-TPP and anti free trade, which are extremely pro-open borders treaties.
The two major parties are just as pro open borders as the Greens, if not more. Stop believing the memes.
>>69330551
it needs modernization, all modern countries are currently doing this.
did you read the white paper?
>>69332531
457 visas are the opposite of open borders.
Greens want to literally ship and fly in refugees before they even get to Australia. With zero limits on amount and no enforcement of our borders and no restrictions on how long the refugees can stay here.
How long will it take before that kind of policy will overtake 120k 457 places a year in negative impact? Just look at the growth of refugees after Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution and imagine if our border was completely open.
>>69331945
>We already recognize same sex couples
You can spot them by the lisping voice and limp wrists.
>>69332388
>Made it seem like you were a libertarian frustrated with christian fundamentalism in the libs.
Fair enough. I'm just a guy who wants the world to stay exactly the way it is now forever. No joke.
>Economic and financial concepts still apply.
Sure, but the economic and financial concept in question is not "too many people are being educated which means my education is worth less which is bad for me." That quote is true, but it's not something that a reasonable person is concerned about because having a highly educated society is beneficial for the entire society, including you. You will make less money relative to other people, but everyone will be wealthier in absolute terms because education allows us to do everything better, even if not more profitably. Judging the worth of education requires measuring more than dollars. Yes, more education = education worth less, but that doesn't mean your quality of life will drop. Uneducated Australians benefit immensely just from being in a country full of other people who are educated.
However, arguing that our education system is not performing well is valid. I think university reform is important because our universities are heading down a bad path of quantity of graduates over quality of graduates. This is because the universities themselves are treating education as a business. Education is a public good and should be regulated as such.
I can't read the Australian because >paying to read the Australian, but it sounds like the main concern there is vocational programs which anyone could see will not lead to long-term high income in an automated economy of the future.
>It's not difficult to model these things out.
It's incredibly difficult to predict what the economy of the 2030s will look like accurately, let alone what skills it will demand.
>>69332388
>The report points to increasing numbers of graduates, particularly in vocational programs, who will never earn an income high enough to repay, or will only earn such a salary for short periods.
> particularly in vocational programs
so, TAFE students.
> Governments are distorting the market of education resulting in people with degrees who's value is lower than the cost and it's creating a bubble in America.
the bubble in america is the pricing of the degrees.
>>69332609
>Being anti-free trade
Are you retarded? .
>>69328534
>radical leftist in disguise
Why the fuck would I vote for this shitstain
He is worse than the labor cunts
>>69329505
This was a pretty good post, I will admit. You Americans finally did something right :,)
>>69332884
>Sure, but the economic and financial concept in question is not "too many people are being educated which means my education is worth less which is bad for me." That quote is true, but it's not something that a reasonable person is concerned about because having a highly educated society is beneficial for the entire society, including you. You will make less money relative to other people, but everyone will be wealthier in absolute terms because education allows us to do everything better, even if not more profitably. Judging the worth of education requires measuring more than dollars. Yes, more education = education worth less, but that doesn't mean your quality of life will drop. Uneducated Australians benefit immensely just from being in a country full of other people who are educated.
If that were true, the economy could support the repayment of these debts. Where in our economy is this surplus coming from? The government is in debt and paying off defaulting student debt with more. That is not a good sign that this education is somehow creating more value to the country than it is costing.
>>69332991
They are charging what the market will bear. The 'bubble' in this case is the huge amount of people taking out loans with no hope of repayment. A combination of government subsidies and the stupid hype of 'you have to go to college' is what has caused it.
>>69329735
>you would have to be an unemployed dumb cunt with no self respect to even consider the greens
nah greens are the socialist/communist party. mostly young people supporting them
>There will never be crossbench party support
>Nothing important will ever be accomplished through current democracy
>Parliament is nothing but MP's sniping at each other then going on Q&A to shittalk the other party
Voting lol
>>69331153
>im a lefty
I strongly urge you to drink a bottle of bleach
>>69333444
Nice digits m8.
>>69329630
>https://australia.isidewith.com/political-quiz
this thing is broken. i got 82% labor, 68% greens and 53% liberal but im a liberal voter.
>>69329918
>Australia will never privatize their resources and become a whiter Norway
>>69333338
>The government is in debt and paying off defaulting student debt with more
Sure, but debt doesn't matter. So long as revenue growth is faster than deficit growth then you can literally have infinite debt forever and it will never matter.
And the government is capable of paying for education, it just spends that money on dumb shit like free handouts for sick old people and keeping refugees in detainment instead of just shooting them, etcetera etcetera. It's like saying an alcoholic can't afford his apartment because he spends his paycheck on drink. He can afford the apartment, he can't afford the alcohol.
The future of economies, as mass automation comes in, is the government taxing the guts out of a minority of extremely high earners to fund the quality of life of everyone else. We're already seeing this on a very very low level.
>>69333544
The questions are asked with a Left-wing bias.
>>69329674
>rejoining
The only time we have been united was back in the glory days of the empire. Its too late for us to join together now, New Zealands debt is too high. Only way for us to join up is if New Zealand crumbles.
I hate both major parties i'll be voting probably between
>Australian Liberty Allience
>Liberal Democrats
>ol' mate Cory
>>69333585
>Sure, but debt doesn't matter. So long as revenue growth is faster than deficit growth then you can literally have infinite debt forever and it will never matter.
If you completely ignore reality. It's a great Labor and millennial talking point to pretend debt is a theoretical excel spreadsheet with some simple equations.
>>69328899
>the leader of the party is just a figure head
But he was literally put there by the cuck element which is now the majority?
I'm going to spoil my HoR ballot since I don't want to give my vote to either of the major parties via ((((preferences))))
I'll probably vote for PAULINE in the senate.
I used to be a die-hard lib voter, as well as party member and party staffer. But I can't deal with the cuckening.
Even though he's barely better, I can't wait for the libs to crash so that Bernardi will start a conservative party free of the libcucks. While it will still be a cuckservative party, it won't be as bad as the libs.
>>69333846
>hunters and fisheries
>one nation
Come on lad, it's almost like you dont want to Make Australia Great Again.
>>69328602
>professional labor voter
>doesnt realize labor fucked us over by destroying our unwritten free speech and by destroying the europeans only immigration policy
fuck.
you.
>"This far west, the Australians with us are closer to their occupied homelands than any of their race has been in fifty years. Not expecting to return, many of them have decided to give up their lives rather than abandon their country once again to the Emus who have overrun it.
What follows is their story."
Whichever politician comes out and in public and states he believes in your right to defend your children from being raped and murdered by violent meth addicted home invading rapists.
>>69329630
fug where are the libertarians?
>>69328900
Kek
Billy Billy Billy, can't you see? Sometimes your words just communize me.
And I just love your spendthrift ways, that's why you've got the neets on voting day
>>69334081
Voting for Paulina Pantsdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDwsBv-jjQU
>>69332388
>>69332699
I mean you can get two faggots in a court and it will recognise them as a couple the same as a straight couple. The debate is purely religious.
Hell, you can just live with a woman and they'll call you a couple.
>>69334408
DELETE THIS
>>69328534
>voting
For what purpose? Nobody is going to stop safe schools so australia is completely fucked anyway.
Lets tell all the little kids that it's ok to be fucking gay or trans or whatever and then link them to gay chat rooms full of pedophiles who are suddenly treated to an unlimited buffet of sexually confused children. What could possibly go wrong?
>>69333846
ALA is a jew front. G__G @ u
>>69334492
Sure but there is no federal executive or legislative fag marriage which is greens policy.
>>69334263
Do I win anything?
>>69334513
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>>69334549
People have been saying this outside of there support for Israel i'm yet to see it. I just don't want muslims here.
>>69329630
>labor
>not center-left
conservatism is dying in this country. free trade(bipartisan btw, both main parties support this), traditionalism is dying, unity in faith is gone..
also labor isnt as far left as you think. they are a mix of left and right policies. liberals arent much better, but theyre socially conservative and thats as good as it gets for the moment.
they just suck with tax hikes....
labor is definitely worse because they have left-wing social policies... economically more interested in benefits and taxes...
vote liberal democrats. they might never win, but they are 100% freedom loving fuckers... if we get a few more of em in they will block shitty bills that strip us of what little rights we have left.
Malcolm Turnbull will go down in history as one of Australia's greatest Prime Minsters.
As someone who has lived his entire life in Malcolm's home district, I can tell you that the man will serve our country with passion, principle, decorum and decency.
He is an extremely intelligent man and has demonstrated this in the private sector. His business history in tech and finance industry are great attributes for the future of our economy.
Financial services and information technology are the future of our economy, and Malcolm has demonstrated his awareness of this through a number of innovative policies, such as the Ideas Boom.
I take great privlege knowing that in a few months I will be able to vote for this man in a PM election.
>>69334737
>i'm yet to see it
M8 THEY ARE A FRONT FOR A KNOWN jEWISH GROUP, THE Q SOCIETY.
pls ignore caps. accident
>>69329010
he is pretty left anyway Donald is a right but im sure he gonna be the best right "believe me"
Hate to say it but I'm forced to vote for the LNP because they are the only ones capable of picking a fight with the union shills threatening my industry and job security. The unions have gotten 100% of their proposals through since Rudd/Gilliard and the Royal Commission into Trade Union Corruption is a godsend.
I'd love to just vote LDP for the foreseeable future but I need the LNP to stay in power for one more election or I'll have to change careers and I didn't just put 4 years of work into this for fucking nothing to have lefty uniom controlled puppets fuck this up for me.
I'm just gonna vote for Labour. Liberals are no better and Greens are ecofacsists, lesser parties might grab my senate vote but it's essentially pissing away a vote otherwise.
It's not like any of it fucking matters anyway, they'll just Jew us one way or the other.
Wouldn't mind an Albo Labour though, he goes alright. Shorten's a gutless faggot.
>>69334676
You win an understanding on who to vote for, friendo
>>69328534
i literally don't know who to vote for.
i wanted abbott, malcolm is basically abbott lite but he's also a scoundrel faggot.
thinking of voting for nothing but meme parties
>>69334760
yeah... hes such a great business man with such insight... that's why he cut the NBN to f ibre between nodes only and not to homes.
very smart.
high energy.
>>69334760
Are you the guy who shook Prepbull's hand three times m8?
You have changed your pasta.
Coming back into this thread because BASED Di Natale jsut annonced that Greens want to dump the Private Health Insurance Rebate, because it's jsut a fucking tax cut for the RICH.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-30/dumping-private-health-insurance-rebate-could-save-billions/7285428
Saves $10Billion in 4 years.
>>69334655
Why should there be if they can already do everything a couple can?
>>69334829
liberal democrats are a nice alternative... if they are ever in your voting district for any election give em a go...
if they ever get majority we will get a national bill of rights!
www.ldp.org.au/
>>69329173
Waste of time
XENOPHON ONE MAN POLITICAL PARTY
SAVE US NICK
>>69334858
>greens
fucking shitposting faggot
>>69334845
How did u know it was me
>>69334760
Don't you have a budget to fix Malc?
>>69334858
The rebate is designed to encourage people to take out greater healthcare than basic government provided services as well as not tax them for services they won't use.
It's like the rebate for mining companies for the petrol excise since that is designed to pay for roads they don't drive their vehicles on.
>>69334905
You don't need to convince me.
>>69328534
I'm gonna go vote labor because it's the party that's not in.
>>69334408
>>69328534
Australia First Party.
> Remove Kebab
> Remove Jew
>>69334858
Lmao what a faggot, at least the more power the watermelons get the quicker this all crashes and burn but I can't have supporting them on my conscience.
>>69333964
>If you completely ignore reality
What?
Debt doesn't matter because
1. governments can't default because they can always just print money and pay it off. Hyperinflation is bad, sure, but this fallacy that debt will lead to the end of the state is retarded
2. so long as revenue growth is sufficient to pay for interest growth then debt will never be an issue anyway because you just pay off the interest and ignore it
3. relative to 2, the time value of money states that inflation will mean debt is relatively less expensive the longer you have it. debt accrued today will be less of a liability tomorrow even if you don't pay it off because of perpetual inflation
So relax. So long as interest < revenue the debt doesn't matter. The deficit is what matters, but having a deficit is not the end of the world. It just can't be too big.
The economy of the nation is not a household budget.
>>69334997
>How did u know it was me
My gaydar was ringing m8.
How the hell do australian /pol/ posters of all people care about such trivial bullshit?
They're going after the schools you fucking retards. Control the schools and eventually you control the voter base.
Who cares if you get sent to jail for refusing to call a tranny by their preferred pronouns? At least you got the type of health insurance you wanted right?
What do ausfags think of friendlyjordies?
>>69335194
Leftist faggot with cringey facebook humour / 10
As democracy is perfected, the office of the Prime Minister represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the Opera House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.
>>69328534
I'm drawing a dick on my ballot
Because we're screwed.
>>69335107
Doubt that'll happen, slippery slope. Rather vote for something that's actually happening, youse poofs just don't get straya
>>69335194
Some e cancer I'm guessing?
>>69335269
>I'm drawing a dick on my ballot
Make sure to take a good mirror m8, to get a good likeness of your face.
>>69335311
how could he even see the mirror if he's got a dick for a face m8
>>69335305
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlEbqC-Vigk
He's kinda an eceleb. He gets more views on his FB ones.
Democracy is a bad idea, and always has been. It killed the people who invented it. The Greeks were so proud of their creation, but it lead to the degeneration of their society. The Romans were literally able to just walk in and take the place over, because the Democratic process employed by the Greeks was unable to stop them. They took Greek men and women for slaves, forced them to educate their children, cannibalized their culture. And the Greeks made only the feeblest of protests to stop them. Why?
Because Democracy is a cancer. It fails to provide for the single most important function of civilization, which is to ward off outside invaders that come to pillage and destroy. Civilization has always been protected by a thin, transparent, adamantine shell of ultraviolence. Democracy erodes that shell by not only inhibiting a nation or state's ability to defend itself adequately, but by indoctrinating the populace with the lie that everyone is equal.
No. They are not equal. Not only are members of the populace not equal to one another, but the people outside of this nation or civilization are not equal to us, either. If they were, they wouldn't live in squalor and rape each other for sport. They have hands with which to work, and minds with which to think. If we have civilization and they don't, it's because we made better use of what we had than they did. We were better.
If a democratic country of 1 million people allowed 2 million people of a different country to come in and vote, would the original 1 million be in control of their country? Would they have as much say in their fate?
Why are liberal called liberal when they're the least liberal of the two?
>>69331373
>Victoria
Literally the sweden of Australia
Your a joke Victoria. Stop ruining AFL with your PC stupidity.
>>69335010
>It's like the rebate for mining companies for the petrol excise since that is designed to pay for roads they don't drive their vehicles on.
Sounds like a cushy mining subsidy/corporate handout to me. I'D CUT THAT SHIT TOO
>The rebate is designed to encourage people to take out greater healthcare than basic government provided services as well as not tax them for services they won't use.
Fuck off. Private healthcare is inefficient as fuck, the US system is the best example of that, who spend more on healthcare that anyone else int he world. Most privately covered people still end up using the public system for emergencies, the PBS for drugs and claim back on Medicare anyway. They use the public system as much as anyone. Their own fault for giving money to the insurance jews.
Why do you support tax loopholes?
>>69335002
He will. After he wins this election he can clean out a lot of the extreme right wing deadwood (Bernardi, Tone etc).
Then you will see a real Turnbull budget. Welfare cuts, STEM spending, common sense taxation and regulation.
>quiz only has 3 parties
wew
>>69335385
this
Someone didn't think his shitpost through.
>>69335499
>After he wins this election he can clean out a lot of the extreme right wing deadwood (Bernardi, Tone etc).
you fucking wish
>>69335305
>Doubt that'll happen,
Are you fucking retarded? There's literally a government backed program that forces school kids to use correct tumblr pronouns right now.
Australian children now face disciplinary action for calling a male a male.
>>69335072
>1. governments can't default because they can always just print money and pay it off
>2. so long as revenue growth is sufficient to pay for interest growth then debt will never be an issue anyway because you just pay off the interest and ignore it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_default
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_debt_crises
>but this fallacy that debt will lead to the end of the state is retarded
Strawman
>3. relative to 2, the time value of money states that inflation will mean debt is relatively less expensive the longer you have it. debt accrued today will be less of a liability tomorrow even if you don't pay it off because of perpetual inflation
Creditors know this and price this in.
>>69335499
>clean out the deadwood
He can't. In his short time as PM he has proven himself utterly beholden to them.
>>69335576
Obviously that's what I wish for you dense cunt, otherwise why else would I be so optimistic?
>>69328534
Voting labour.
Abolish neg gearing.
Prick the housing bubble.
Revel in the misfortune of others.
>>69329010
No, palmer is a poser with no real cash flow from his two main assets. I.e. a shittier lower grade iron ore deposit that he has in wa and the nickel refinary which went into administration and back the other day.
Trump is actually a multi decade proven business man, Clive is not.
>>69328602
>least worse
>shorten
>>69335622
Because he's basically an illegitimate PM atm, only won it becaus Tone is autistic.
If he properly wins an election he can set his own mandate.
>>69335581
>This hysteria
Mate you shouldn't read the Mail or the Sun or the Mirror. It's jsut bullshit. Safe Schools is a resource kit for teachers who feel uncomfortable or don't know what to do about Tomboys and effeminate girls. No one is being sent to prison.
>>69331755
Literally the only seat the greens will win. Fucking melbourne
>>69335638
salty aren't we, it'll never happen though
also ignoring the obvious turn of phrase for 'what you're saying is bullshit' there wasn't smart
>>69334908
i watched their promotional video. I can't support a party which makes a shitty video with music in one speaker and speech in the other.
>>69335499
I'd like to think so too, but I doubt he'll be able to. If he wanted to make changes he would, cunt's done shit all since he gave ol Tone the cheeky Labour.
>>69334858
Are you braindead?
The rebate encourages people to get private health insurance. So they pay the medicare levy on top of their own insurance, but get services privately instead of publicly.
They're paying for shit they don't use, which helps the budget.
>>69335751
They're eyeing off Pilbersek and Albanese's seats too.
Fremantle, Melbourne Ports and Batman are all on the long term plans
>>69335495
>Private healthcare is inefficient as fuck
http://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/completed/hospitals/report
>Why do you support tax loopholes?
It's not a loophole. It is an explicit exemption from the medicare levy for holding private health insurance for the reasons I already gave.
>>69335608
>sovereign default
Notice how it's not just called a "default"? That's because it's different to a normal default. When was the last time Greece was seized by liquidators and sold off to repay creditors? Never? That's not how states default. Unless you're willing to go to war to get your money back (and this has happened) then nothing happens except everybody's out a hell of a lot of cash and the government isn't able to borrow for a decade or two. Creditors don't care about debt, they care about that sweet, sweet steady flow of interest.
>Creditors know this and price this in.
Sure, but they can't just price it away. It's just how the system works, which is why they're always lending bigger and bigger sums so that their inflows stay high.
>>69335581
Mate they were doing that shit when I was in school, but no-one gave a shit because there was no one to be offended. Perks of living in the country I guess, Melbourne and Sydney can fend for themselves. Shit's different on the ground, cobber.
>>69335856
Oh yeah man Greece is a great example of how awesome perpetually being in debt is.
>>69335815
>call me braindead
>Describe the opposite of the way the system works.
>Describe what the Greens want to implement.
Yeah mate. Have you tried isidewith yet? You might be surprised.
>>69335947
>>Describe the opposite of the way the system works.
Uh... no. What?
>>69335819
>they're eyeing off Albo's seat
Not Albo! Fucking green scum.
>>69335709
Ingnorant dumbasses like you who believe the leftist damage control are the reason australia is hopelessly fucked.
>10 years from now
>50% of australian kids identify as lgbtabcbbq and will never vote right wing.
>oh my god how did this happen?
retards. all of you.
>>69334174
Hey mate its a fucken battle - I live in Manjimup
>>69329630
>https://australia.isidewith.com/political-quiz
"Should Australia conduct military strikes against North Korea in order to destroy their long-range missile and nuclear weapons capabilities?"
....what the fuck is this quizz
>>69336024
Believe it or not, not every country is like the Caliphate of Great Britain.
>>69330667
>god
Try the constitution m9
>>69336078
It's pretty much the American quiz with a few different questions.
>>69336078
Well should we?
>>69336078
>....what the fuck is this quizz
Useless.
The questions are shit and the majority of them don't even have answers from the major political parties.
>>69330053
How much will I cringe if I watch this?
>>69335819
>Melbourne Ports
Jew central. good luck to them.
What's it like having a democracy fueled entirely by sarcastic shitposters?
>>69336136
Holy shit nigger how can you be this god damn stupid? On this very board you're in the best possible position to monitor the entire western world going to shit because they tolerated this institutionalized cucking of their children.
>Hurr durr it will never happen here! This LGBT indoctrination program that will soon be mandatory in all victorian schools is harmless!
You know what? Fuck australia you get what you deserve.
>>69335918
Greece is an example of
a) how a government "default" is different from a default
b) how when interest > revenue you get problems
The problem is not that Greece was in too much debt. Greece's debt is minuscule compared to the debts of the US or China. The problem is that Greece was in too much debt relative to its revenue. Creditors lost faith in its ability to make repayments and stopped lending, and the debt cycle came to a grinding halt.
So long as interest < revenue, and interest growth < revenue growth, your debts can be literally infinite. Nobody will ever care. People worried because they realised that Greece was using Germany's credit card, not its own, and not because Greece was using a credit card.
>>69336367
What's it like having a democracy fuelled entirely by Israel's shekels?
Voting liberal (preferencing them over the other majors in the upper house).
Not a big fan of the new cabinet but there is a lot of decent politicians in the liberal party so I root for the right faction to get their shit together.
Labor is cancer and I'm sure the MP they'll plant in my electorate will just be some dolt who is mates with one of the other members. Seriously, what even is the Labor party now, people need to stop voting for parties "because they always have". Look at Labor 10 years ago and compare it to now, I was never a Labor supporter but I used to consider them a respectable opponent that actually had legitimate beliefs and stood for those
That was fun! I'd like to Make Australia Great Again someday.
I'm glad you guys are an island, it gives me hope you'll survive the coming wars.
>>69328534
>who are you voting for in the upcoming elections?
is there even need for a debate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0oI_8r5nXk
>>69336244
You'll laugh.
>>69336024
With your levels of hysteria, you probably should identify as a woman.
>>69335996
People with private healthcare don't pay for Medicare levy. And then they get a further tax deduction. But they still use it, and the public system.
