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"Libertarianism" is a code-word for "Anti-White"
>>69216790
ok, bye.
>>69216790
>being a socialist jew
>>69216790
Literally makes as much sense as calling fascism anti-white.
>>69216929
Because fascism definitely did not result in the lives of millions of whites dying
>>69216790
You're not wrong.
Neoliberal free market fundamentalism has flooded the West with imigrants. This doesn't happen under Socialism. How many Soviet cities were overrun by niggers?
None.
>>69216977
>>69216977
>Because fascism definitely did not result in the lives of millions of whites dying
neither did libertarianism
in fact it allowed whites to prosper
>>69217075
your entire nation was niggers
>>69216853
>being a capitalist jew
>>69217148
>being a poverty loving economically illiterate cuck
>>69217075
This. Both capitalism and socialism can be cancerous, or good, they are just economic systems. What really matters is the social/moral beliefs of the state. Free market fundamentalism and Marxism are both utilitarian and materialist ideals that are fundamentally anti-nationalist and anti-traditionalist.
>>69216790
Agree.It's about letting capitalists grow stronger, fuck everyone up and then just let them leave to offshore and keep the wheel spinning while normal people suffer with no protection.
So, what are you hoping to accomplish with this assertion? If that were true, are you suggesting we move to the other, more deliberately anti-white ideology?
If you're going to shill, at least try to make sense.
>>69217555
>If that were true, are you suggesting we move to the other, more deliberately anti-white ideology?
Which is?
Hitler didn't call himself a "National Capitalist" for a good reason.
>>69216790
In a free market world, how many dumbfuck niggers and brainless muzzies would be in Germany do you think? How many would be able to outdo white men in work and prosper alongside them?
Free markets cause segregation due to the nature of men. They let industrious citizens prosper and lazy niggers die.
>>69218268
In a free market World the West would be flooded with half the population of Africa, India and Asia.
Sure, millions of them would die, but there are billions of 'em. they would flood the labour markets driving wages down to starvation levels, for everyone.
We don't have a free market. If you want to sell burgers you have to get all kinds of licensing, and pass regulations. So all business is ran by the elite and they have their cuck politicians who bring immigrants to the country
>>69218519
That's why no serious libertarian supports open borders. Open borders were, are and will be a meme.
Additionally, should you allow people to hire whoever the hell they want, I'm very certain that no self-respecting entrepreneur would hire niggers. They seem like a good idea at first but the lower wages are worth nothing in comparison to all the crime and problems they cause. Too bad that nowadays, due to govt regulations and unions especially, we have no self-respect left among stock-owners. They do whatever it takes to keep the money flowing, as there is no middle ground anymore - you go up or fall down.
>>69219108
>That's why no serious libertarian supports open borders.
This is a joke, right? Almost every prominent libertarian is an advocate of open-border policy, or at least easy immigration. It's proven to increase per-capita GDP
Only the manchildren and meme-spouters from this board proclaim closed borders.
>>69219108
>That's why no serious libertarian supports open borders
All "serious" Libertarians do.
> I'm very certain that no self-respecting entrepreneur would hire niggers
They're cheap. Money talks, bullshit walks.
>They seem like a good idea at first but the lower wages are worth nothing in comparison to all the crime and problems they cause....
You think a Capitalist has social concerns? If niggers cause a problem, the free market will fix it. No employer would give a fuck what happens to society, it's all about the bottom line.
>>69219350
>Almost every prominent libertarian is an advocate of open-border policy
>>69219822
Get you money anus over to the Mises forum and ask an Austrian School Economists his opinion on border controls...
>>69219575
the cheap ones do shit work. That's why they're cheap.
>>69219575
A "Capitalist" as in richest of the rich? Yes, they have no concerns. But vast majority of those exists only due to government forcing itself upon smaller companies, making them unfeasible. And middle class company owners are people concerned with what happens around them; they don't have a thousand shops but one or two. They care about what happens close to them. And when taxes are low and regulations nonexistent, such companies quickly make up the majority of markets.
>>69219350
>>69219575
Open borders should only be considered an endgame policy. When all the world is made up of free markets and likeminded people, it becomes a good thing; that's why all ideologists are for it. No person who's a realist would recommend those at the current time. And that's why those against free markets turn it into a meme; so it would seem all libertarians want something terrible, what is only really terrible because of current conditions which rule it out completely.
>>69219899
>every Libertarian is a radical, no-borders Austrian
>>69220009
>the cheap ones do shit work. That's why they're cheap.
They're cheap because there are millions of the fuckers. They outbid each other in the market for jobs by under cutting each other. This is Capitalism in action.
Reminder that Nixon is 10 times as socialist as Bernie.
>>69220375
You're speaking bullshit right there. Even they have to live off of something. They won't work if they get too little to survive properly in return. The difference is a white man in such situation would look for employment elsewhere or look for help to relatives until times get better. A nigger goes to the nearest shop and steals what he wants.
>>69220579
that's why they're both so terrible
>>69220122
>A "Capitalist" as in richest of the rich?
A Capitalist is anyone subscribing to capital accumulation and private profit. It is the "...butcher, the baker and the candle stick maker...",
> And middle class company owners are people concerned with what happens around them...
All a business man cares about is the bottom line; the morality of employing niggers doesn't come into it. If one small business didn't employ niggers because they shit in the street, it would put them at a market disadvantage. They could not compete with a business competitor who didn't give a fuck about nigger shit and employed cheap nigger labour.
>And when taxes are low and regulations nonexistent
There are no taxes in a Libertarian society. Taxation is theft, it is immoral.
>>69220194
If you think otherwise, you're not a Libertarian.
>>69220644
>You're speaking bullshit right there
You don't know how Capitalism works.
>. Even they have to live off of something. They won't work if they get too little to survive properly in return.
It's a race to the bottom.
>The difference is a white man in such situation would look for employment elsewhere
Capitalism doesn't give a fuck about the colour of your skin.
>>69220809
>>69220993
>>69220834
I'd continue explaining why are you retarded, but I see it's pointless. You operate on book-definitions, lack the cognitive ability and logical thinking required for serious discussion. Instead of even trying to understand what the opposing side means, you put all the words to your own definitions and call them out for not matching - a problem of your own, which you believe to be someone else's. You are sum.
>>69216790
>libertarianism
>not white pride without the autistic nationalism
>>69222452
>I'd continue explaining why are you retarded,
You think skin colour is of importance. It is not. Capitalism doesn't give a fuck about your colour; the World is defined by profit and loss. Nothing more, nothing less. Cheap niggers are profit, plain and simple.
That's why they're already here, doing all the shitty jobs for minimum wage.
>>69222985
>white pride
>minus nationalism
That's fundamentally impossible.
>>69220834
There is a difference between Minarchism and Anarchism you potato. But I don't expect pajeet to understand such things.
>>69216790
The best is "libertarians" that support people like Ted Cruz - how can you be in support of free trade but wanted borders / immigration control and call yourself a "libertarian"?
>>69223517
Minarchism isn't Libertarianism. Minarchism is ultra conservatism.
>>69222452
>you're retarded
>you operate on book-definitions
I think you lack the cognitive ability anon.
As far as that discussion; migrants
>>69223405
>get rid of the welfare state and fiat currency that funds it, which are propping up failing shitskins and paying them to breed like rabbits
>whites no longer have to pay endless taxes
>whites superiority goes forth unhindered
>force shitskins out of the market as they can't compete
>shitskins self deport or get shot
>whites able to breed with their restored wealth and freedom
The state is the enemy of all productive people. Whites are the most productive people.
>>69223662
That depends on the Party more than anything. As Liberatarian parties across the world fall into either categories.
>>69223790
How do you deal with backed infiltrators that are there to ruin your nation?
>>69223791
Minarchists do not regard taxation as "theft". They simply believe in very low taxation for security.
Libertarians oppose taxation on a moral level.
>>69223916
Some of them see it as the lesser of two evils though. As it is the lesser of two evils. Either pay taxes for an army or get invaded.
>>69217971
Marxism.
>>69223840
Libertarian state is still very concerned with defense and justice. Between that, the libertarian state being useless for social change, and gun ownership it's not a problem.
>>69223981
No.
A Libertarian society would volunarily pay for an army, if it was necessary. There would be no "taxation".
>>69224063
How many Soviet cities were over run by nigger?
>>69224132
don't conflate libertarianism with ancap and voluntarism.
>>69224187
It's apparent you don't know what a strawman argument is.
>>69216790
Somalia = Communist and libertarian paradise.
>>69224230
Don't conflate Libertarianism with conservatism.
>>69216790
100% agree, libertarians are shit-tier and need to be ovened.
Libertardians make me cringe so hard
>>69224295
Libertarians are still statists
>>69224183
Stalin is a nigger, and 90% of soviets were kikes.
>>69216790
Kek, so Bob Whitaker, the fucking creator of the "X is code-word for anti-white" mantra, is anti-white too?
http://www.robertwwhitaker.com/platform/
>>69224271
>sub-monkey average IQ of 65
>fucked over by statists for millennia
>>69224363
>Libertarians are still statists
I think you need to read about Libertarianism...
>>69220834
Libertarian here.
Open borders are fine if there is not a welfare state.
>>69220809
>If one small business didn't employ niggers because they shit in the street, it would put them at a market disadvantage. They could not compete with a business competitor who didn't give a fuck about nigger shit and employed cheap nigger labour.
Problem is that dwellers of the street are prohibited to take action against niggers this makes possible shiting on the streets. It makes possible for external effects to hurt others.
But in true libertarian economy it would be impossible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coase_theorem
>>69217075
Are you denying what is currently happening to socialist Europe?
Try harder
>>69224460
>capitalists
>fucked over by monkeys for millenia
true capitalism hasn't been tried, you have no examples of capitalism.
>>69224481
And you are anti-labor, anti race.
>>69224377
I didn't see a Soviet Socialist city overrun by niggers.
All Capitalist cities are overrun by niggers... now tell me why Hitler didn't call himself a "National Capitalist"?
>>69224265
It is your own personals version of views specifically constructed by you for been easy target.
>>69224539
>
Capitalists have been oppressed by socialists for over 3 centuries, Capitalism is perfect.
>>69224423
The fuck, that's not the picture I uploaded. Fucking mook, what are you doing?
>>69224529
>Europe
>Socialist
Pick one.
post more sneks desu
I'm a white nationalist libertarian. I believe one of the few roles government should have is protecting our borders.
>>69224615
I have not ascribed a position to you. I've provided a direct critique.
>>69216790
Because cowards know they are inferior thus cannot thrive under the free market.
>John Stewart Mill debunked this silly nonsense against the liberty hundreds years ago yet dumb cunts still try to argue aginst it
>>69216790
Kek @ that top logic
Libertarian means "stay the FUCK out of my business, and ill stay out of yours".
>>69224607
>I didn't see a Soviet Socialist city overrun by niggers.
Actually USSR went this direction at full speed. Mid Asain republic birthrate outpaced European regions by huge margins. Russians fall behind replacement fertility rate in 1960s. It was another reason to USSR to fall. Too much Asian niggers on commie welfare who produced nothing.
>>69224730
>nationalist libertarian.
That is a contradiction in terms.
If you believe a role for government is security, then you're a Minarchist.
>>69217971
And Hitler killed the German should in less than 15 years leaving it an empty body of drones just waiting for the most painless way to replace themselves.
Which seem to be letting Arabs take over their nation
>>69224939
Where are the Communist Nigger cities?
There are none.
>>69220834
You can be strong on border control and selective about not letting potential criminals into the cuntry and still be libertarian m8
Complete open borders is an ideal that won't work in an un-ideal world.
>>69224772
Based on your own views specifically constructed by you to be easy target.
>>69224971
>I fight with a gun against robbers
>I killed myself
>>69225016
Pretty sure tribes work similar to communism. So there are plenty.
>>69224607
There were numerous accounts of racial tension in Communist states which tried to enforce multiculturalism. Azerbaijanis fought with imported Kazakh workers, Yugoslavia (whilst not Soviet still very much Communist) collapsed into ethnic civil war, and the socialist ideology that's fueling the coming race war in Europe and America originated from the USSR as a means of destabilizing capitalism.
tl;dr: plenty of multikulti shit in communism, your ideology is shit and you're an embarassment to Britain, go and hang yourself
>>69225028
I have ascribed no position to you.
Listen, you can be libertarian and anti-open border, anti-abortion, and anti-amnesty.
Look at Ron Paul.
>>69225016
In Central Asia.
>>69225126
Or Bob Whitaker.
http://www.robertwwhitaker.com/platform/
>>69225064
>tribal cities...
Get back in your box.
>>69216790
How the fuck are the Gadsden flag and a hat that says Make America Great Again racist in America?
>Anyone who doesn't want people to be massacred for being different to them is anti-white!
>>69218519
>Sure, millions of them would die, but there are billions of 'em. they would flood the labour markets driving wages down to starvation levels, for everyone.
>mfw this is only a thing due to leftist welfarism which encourages the moochers to come in and mooch
>mfw large amounts of immigration of any kind was never an issue in America until the rise of welfare
>>69216790
>calling an ideology based upon 100% white European ideals from 100% white European men and founded by 100% white European men and extrapolated on by a relatively few number of European Jews antiwhite.
>>69225117
You did.
>>69219899
>>69225139
There are nigger cities in Central Asia?
Are you sure those Asian cities aren't populated by Asians?
>>69225177
Point is "niggers" have been subscribed to communism since they ended the nomadic lifestyle.
Comparing a village to a city isn't that far of a stretch.
>>69225213
This. Problem of modern immigration is problem of free rider.
>>69216790
Not wrong. It is primarily for the same reason 'real' communism has never been tried. It is a purely theoretical concept that does not survive first contact with reality.
Libertarianism advocates for a global common market ignoring that the theoretical free market would require perfect knowledge and account for all externalities. We all know from watching western nations and corporations importing primitives to drive labour costs down that the cultural and social externalities are utterly ignored.
>>69225215
That wasn't a "strawman"; that was advice.
>>69224607
>stole everything they could from anyone they thought had to much
>built ghettoes that were filled with poor alcholic fucks
>was so disastrous that these nations are still suffering to this day
>not niggers
To quote Johnny rebel
It's the attitude stupid.
>>69225258
>he did not know that Central Asians are literally niggers
>>69225286
>Comparing a village to a city isn't that far of a stretch
Yes it is, you fucking retard.
>>69224971
>should
Soul*
>>69220122
Someone gets it.
>>69225384
Show me a black Soviet city. Just one.
Capitalism is the problem, it's the reason all of your major cities are infested.
>InB4 MUH CAPALTALLIZZM!!!
>>69225436
Its really not, but I understand how your small mind cannot make the connections.
Villages are comprised of people just like cities. They are capable and do participate in trade and economy just like cities. They deal with crime and have rules just like cities. The list goes on and on.
If niggers can do it, and have been doing it for centuries, then we can make it work too.
>>69224539
>being this retarded
Just because there hasn't been a completely 100% pure capitalist "nation" doesn't mean that we have no insight to how capitalism actually works. You can look at examples where specific markets weren't significantly affected by government regulations. You can look at the US in general before the massive expansion of government as of late. See pic attached
>>69217075
the only reason they come is welfare, this wouldn't happen in a free market
>>69225647
>communism created in 1800s
>world gets significantly better GDP wise
Economic prosperity is more important that your "race".
>>69225604
Marxist egalitarianism is what allows churkas and niggers, no one prior to Marx was an egalitarian.
>>69225346
Modern immigration fueled by welfarism is a weapon.
A weapon of anti Western Marxist.
>>69225733
> this wouldn't happen in a free market
They come for work.
In a free market all the industry, infrastructure and services are in metropolitan countries; the immigrants would come for work. Their cheap labour is good for business, it drives down wages.
>>69225604
if it was really capitalism, they'd get no welfare and starve to death
>>69225917
Marx wasn't an egalitarian.
You're thinking of Jesus.
>>69225604
Again
It's the attitude stupid
Russians are little different than niggers after 70 odd years of Marxism
>>69225819
>correlation is causation
you belong in an oven
>>69226022
>>69225604
Also fun fact
The strongest indicator of someone bring an honest person respectful of others is growing up in a market based capitalist nation
>>69226000
Yes, millions would starve, but there are billions of them; and they would follow the jobs. The jobs are here.
>>69224529
If you describe Europe as socialist you don't understand European government.
>>69226007
>Update
Jesus wasn't an egalitarian.
>>69226132
if they got a job then they wouldn't rob and steal and sell drugs they'd suddenly change from niggers to black people, it really is that simple.
>>69225604
>black
>he thinks people don't like niggers because of the colour of their skin
>>69226233
We are all equal in the eyes of God...
Apparrently.
>>69226282
Are Slavs niggers?
>>69226282
Song related
https://youtu.be/YJ5jVY2Y-0A
>>69226261
>they got a job then they wouldn't rob and steal and sell drug
If you're working for starvation wages you wouldn't have the energy for extra curricular activities.
>>69226402
Slavs became niggers after Marxism imbedded the same attitude it has been ingrained into niggers heads in America
See
>>69226425
>>69226362
It means what I say it means.
t. you.
>>69225941
But if they bring negative externalities for residence areas residents could punish them including affirmative actions. This will reduce net gain of migration for migrants. Can't get dem wages if you literally in the jail.
This how free market works. Pro tip: market exist not only in the industry.
>>69226502
>Slavs are niggers...
heh
>>69226402
Quarter-niggers. They nig when they are drunk.
>>69226492
or crime, whats your fucking point
>>69224271
Not commnist because classes were not abolished. But i agree with you on the libertarian stance
>>69224460
There never was a state in Somalia. Central authority barely left the capital for all it's existence.
>>69226600
>Jail
Who pays for that?
>But if they bring negative externalities for residence...
If there's no profit for security firms to police the niggers, the niggers can do as they please. As long as they don't breach the non aggression principle.
>>69226737
>or crime, whats your fucking point
Your cities would still be infested with niggers.
>>69226872
>Who pays for that?
Residents. Also labor camps.
Mandatory reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coase_theorem
>>69226840
Not commnist because classes were not abolished.
Tell me about the bourgeois classes that are being enforced by the capitalists in Somalia?
>>69226702
>extremely Hugh crime rates murder rates
>live in squalor and ghettos
>drunk all the time
Yup Slavs are niggers
>>69224529
Europe is not socialist. Our quasi social democrats ideas were dismantled in favor of neoliberal deregulation fiscal policies starting in 2000's. Exported by americans.
And european countries are very different. Uk politics are very different from Portugal politics.
>>69216790
Except the most strong people succede in a free market, and the weak just stay in their 3rd world shithole, so we will get the best of every race, and since whites have the most productive culture at this point in time, you could say it is pro-white.
>>69227017
Sounds like the average US city.
>>69227036
Stop taking sense, this is /pol/.
We're here to act stupid and troll each other.
>>69225647
Just because there hasn't been a completely 100% pure socialist "nation" doesn't mean that we have no insight to how socialism actually works. You can look at examples where specific markets weren't significantly affected by government regulations. You can look at the Scnadinavia in general before the massive expansion of immigration as of late.
>>69227015
>Not commnist because classes were not abolished
Keystone of communism is abolishment of private property and hired labor. Classes should disappear after that by themselves.
>>69227072
Well the average US city is full of niggers...
>>69227156
Scandinavia doesn't have workers communions over the means of production.
>>69227212
I know.
>>69226000
Crime pays better in some countries.
>>69226949
they wouldn't, because there would be no laws against ostracizing them right out of your land
>>69227206
Tell me the government that's enforcing evil private property and wage slavery in Somalia?
It is freedom from the bourgeois.
>>69216790
The only liberty libertarians achieve is social liberty and the erosion of cultural norms, which makes them useful idiots for the left. And both share the same goal of open borders and globalism.
>>69227269
in cucked no-guns countries
Capitalism, private0 property and hierarchy are the enemy of everyone.
>>69227156
>You can look at the Scnadinavia in general before the massive expansion of immigration as of late.
I'm.gonna post this everytime you show up to get it through your thick dogmatic retarded skull that Scandinavian Socialism was failing before "muh immigration ruined it".
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/21463-debunking-the-myth-of-socialist-success-in-scandinavia
>>69227279
Cities are where the shitty jobs are. Niggers fill the nigger positions, en masse.
>>69226111
Polish are a very respectefll people. And they born in socialist countries. Ukrainians are a rowdy people when drunk, and get drunk alot, but outside of that they are a very respectefull and jolly people (based on personal experiences). Some of them are much better then Portuguese people.
>>69227387
yeah picking cotton, whats the problem?
>>69226362
Jesus preached for the jews. Only a century or more after he died did some followers aloowed the cult to gentiles
>>69227423
There is no workers communions over the means of production in Poland, it is not Communist.
>>69227444
Niggers follow the nigger jobs. That's Capitalism. Love it or hate it.
>>69219108
>No open borders
>Free market
Shut the fuck up, idiot.
>>69227479
This is why Protestantism was a mistake, the bible is too complex for peasants to read.
>>69227503
yeah, im asking what your problem with that is
>>69227523
>fucking Papists
>>69227581
Fucking fanficists.
>>69227574
Have you been following the thread?
>>69227015
There is the warlord class, the fighter class, the peasent class... You get what i mean.
>>69226872
Who enforces the non-agression principle?
>>69227574
THE PROBLEM IS IT ATTRACTS FUCKING NIGGERS AND THE EXTERNALITIES OF THEIR EXISTENCE ARE SO FUCKING NEGATIVE THE WORLD MAY AS WELL COME TO A FUCKING END IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM EQUAL ACCESS.
>>69216977
No consequences of fascism resulted in millions of white death you fucking faggot.
mandatory
http://raikoth.net/libertarian.html
>>69227649
>Who enforces the non-agression principle?
The People who can afford the biggest guns.
>>69227632
long enough to know you're retarded
>>69227713
You're arguing the same position as I am, you fucking chimp.
>>69216790
libertarianism embodies everything that white people stand for. freedom.
>>69227293
>Tell me the government that's enforcing evil private property and wage slavery in Somalia?
Property rights are enforced by evil property owners. By Marx Capital OWNING THE PRIVATE PROPERTY AND HIRING LABOR IS THIEVING OF ADDED VALUE AND IS CRIME BY ITSELF. It is INHERIT property of them leading to exploitation. Communist state should fight private property and hired labor everywhere. If state doesn't do that it is not communism. Thus Somali is not communism. (it is actual close to libertarian anarchist society)
>>69227792
im not you imbecile, im advocating for the free market
>>69227842
heh
>>69227649
there is no state enforcing those classes.
>>69227236
>completely 100% pure socialist "nation"
Do you want me to teach you how to read m8?
>>69227293
Warlords
>>69227324
Do you want to live in a wild west place? Do you want to have to watch your back all the time?
Don't forget. You can have all the guns you want. But they are useless if you are asleep or with your backs turned
>>69227879
Theft doesn't exist in Communism.
>>69227931
Warlords are simply workers communions over the means of production.
>>69227891
You do know Marx advoacted the "free market"?
He believed Capitalism was a necessary stage on the path to Communism.
You uneducated cunt.
>>69227931
alarms exist, cameras too, when a whole society is armed that acts as a deterrent against violence,
>>69227351
>Mandatory thenewamerican link when talking about scandinavia
>failing before "muh immigration ruined it".
source?
Also, for your pic, Scandinavia is on the forefront of software development. And Sweden is the size of a medium US state.
Also whatever economic system Russia has it will be shitty.
>>69227481
I misstiped, i meant socialist.
>>69228115
We are progressed past Capitalism, we destroyed the government, we are now much more progressed towards Communism.
Somalia, which has been without a functioning government for almost two decades, serves as a warning for what could happen to other failed states. Rival Islamic militias battle for control of the capital, where the president, Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, is in constant danger of his life.
>>69228115
if you are seriously equating capitalism to socialism you should probably go see a psychiatrist right now
>>69228274
we destroyed private property and all hierarchy, everyone is 100% equal now.
>>69228274
>We are progressed past Capitalism
No, we are still in the grip financial Capitalism, despite the recent State rescue.
>we are now much more progressed towards Communism.
You silly cunt.
>>69227706
So it's the law of the fittest? Do you bunch of autists want to go live in the jungle.
>>69227842
Lol, than god i'm not white.
>>69227925
What do you mean? I know there is no state in Somalia.
>>69228410
Laws of the jungle are true, laws of Marx aren't, I CAN take your shit ALWAYS, if communism was natural it wouldn't be possible for me to take your shit.
>>69228300
Are you seriously knocking the stuffing out of retarded strawmen before bedtime?
>>69228476
Those classes aren't being forced by bourgeois capitalists and aristocrats, it is formed by freed people.
>>69228410
>So it's the law of the fittest? Do you bunch of autists want to go live in the jungle
It's worse than that, you Portugese cunt.
Libertarianism is a return to Feudalism (without the knights and shit).
>>69227981
But if theft exist this is not communism. If you hired worker to work on your field and then sold goods on the market you are literally THEIFING OF ADDED VALUE FROM THIS WORKER. This is how communism works. Is it ridiculous for people who are not knowledgable about communism ? Yes it is. Marx wrote eight hundred pages of mental gymnastics to achieve this conclusion.
But this how fucking communism works. If you are hiring worker bringing you profit you automatically become a criminal.
>>69228029
Ok, have it your way m8.
I am completely trolled xDDDDDD
>>69228191
>deterrent against violence
Criminals never think about getting caughted. And what about when you get out of your house?
>>69228345
Private property exist, but it's enforced by warlords. Hierarcgy is strictly enforced then, just not by a central, internationaly recognized authority
>>69228769
Private property does not exist as it is not enforced by any capitalist state, therefore the people are free to share all of their things.
>>69228595
That is what i always thought libertarianism is.
>>69228491
state capitalism was what marx was referring to, with the end goal of communism. free market capitalism is the end goal for libertarians.
>>69228202
>source
Is provided dumb cunt
There is a link to a book with hundreds of primary government sources.
The idea that Scandinavian Socialism was ever successful is just wrong
>>69228476
in Communism there exists the Engineer class, the Gardner class etc.. just no private property or hierarchy.
>>69228901
It is.
For some reason, the average Libertarian idiot cannot join the dots.
>>69228769
>Criminals never think about getting caughted.
i know that's not true, id be happy if you could prove it to be though
>And what about when you get out of your house?
you carry a weapon and avoid bad areas
>>69228907
>state capitalism was what marx was referring to,
No he wasn't, you retarded convict offspring.
The Revolution of the Proletariat can only occur in a Capitalist country, where the material conditions have been laid by historical process.
According to Marxists.
>shit we don't have enough production for food
>what do we do?
>lets abolish our state and hierarchy :DDDDD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0I0J_fXLo
>>69228830
>therefore the people are free to share all of their things.
Paying for work=/=sharing from communist point of view. Paying for work is THIEVING.
If this property is organised as cooperative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative than yes people are sharing and this may be communism. But i doubt that all property in Somali is organised in the form of cooperatives.
>>69229249
There aren't enslaved by Capitalists structure, they are much more superior and progressed than Russia.
>>69227036
Do you ever post something that's not incredibly foolish?
Yes, the financial class, which originated in Europe, runs the west. They're like feminist, the financial class undermines regulations that hinder them while leaving of pushing regulations that benefit them.
Its government corruption and protect that allows the financial class to screw over the people, not the free market.
>>69217075
That's crony capitalism bucko. Regulations and taxes for everyone, but the most powerful. Under a truly deregulated market there isn't much need to flood the borders with illegal immigrants.
>>69229249
There are no capitalists or owners in Somalia, all property belongs to everyone.
>>69229409
You sound like a Communist.
>>69229409
Wow butchered the grammar on that one.
Phone for the win.
>>69216790
>2016
>Paying Denbts
>>69229100
what he was advocating was the subversion of capitalism and the abolition of private property, which will absolutely fuck a country up 10 times out of 10.
you cant seriously sit there and tell me that marx of all people advocated a completely free market which led to the abolition of private property, that's fucking retarded.
>>69229555
Mother fucking checked
>>69229462
>That's crony capitalism bucko.
That's what the "Neoliberal free market" is.
> Under a truly deregulated market there isn't much need to flood the borders with illegal
In a "free market" World without borders people would be free to follow the jobs. There would be no such thing as "Immigrants", we would all be one people.
>>69228917
I can find a huge number of books that link a number of issues with american capitalism, or UK victorian capitalism.
Scandinavia socialism is not perfect. No human society will ever be perfect. But i think that Scandinavia sicialism was the better system that we have recorded history of.
>>69229037
>i know that's not true, id be happy if you could prove it to be though
Then why do people kill in death penalty countries? Why do people smoke weed in prohibition countries? Why do people drive faster then the speed limit?
>you carry a weapon and avoid bad areas
And what abot if the whole city is a bad area? I mean, in libertarian society borders would be free to cross. And being a criminal in USA pays better then being a crimnal in Somalia. And there is many persons in Somalia.
And like i said, you can carry many big bad weapons, but if someone hits you with a club in your head from behind you are finished. You would have to watch your back constantly
>>69223916
This is why libertarianism is such a joke. Some people never give up on their stupid idealistic society.
>>69229377
>There aren't enslaved by Capitalists structure,
They are. If worker is working using means of production which don't belong to him he is AUTOMATICALLY ENSLAVED BY CAPITAL. ACT OF HIRING LABOR IS INHERENTLY ENSLAVING. It just your capitalist mind can't comprehend this concept.
P.S. I don't agree with Marxism concepts I am just describing them to you.
>>69229698
>There would be no such thing as "Immigrants", we would all be one people.
just because there is not state doesn't mean that culture and national values disappear, you can still teach your kids to hate other kinds of people
>>69229468
Reall? Did they organised Somali wide cooperative which includes all property and they are all members?
>>69229500
Criticising the very real issues with a deeply ingrained financial elite screwing every one over.
>communist
I'm a libertarian, but this is an issue with capitalism due to how readily government institutions corrupt and collusion at the top. Capitalism and Laissez-faire markets are still the best option for bringing the masses out of poverty.
>>69229698
That's not the case at all. A free market for one society does not translate to a global free market. I do not believe in a global free market because it's literally what kikes want to install a one-world government.
>>69229564
>what he was advocating was the subversion of capitalism
No he wasn't.
Marx was arguing for full on, red toothed, Capitalism with no welafare, nor social safety net. He accused people who attempted to soften Capitalism as suffering from "Trades Union Consciousness". Marx wanted full on free markets.
I'm guessing you've never read a single word written by Marx... Well, start here:
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm#007
Just read the first few paragraphs, at least. It won't turn you into a Communists and you'll learn something about someone you've been taught to hate.
>>69229409
Then why do they push for free market and deregulation
>>69229894
>just because there is not state doesn't mean that culture and national values disappear, you can still teach your kids to hate other kinds of people
LOLOLOLOLOLOL So my country would be flooded with niggers but i could teach my sons to hate niggers? Thank god for freedom!!!!1111
> is not state doesn't mean that culture and national values disappear
They do once the population is replaced with foreigners.
>>69229894
>just because there is not state doesn't mean that culture and national values disappear,
None of that matters. All that matter is that you can do the job better than the next man for less money.
>>69230175
>So my country would be flooded with niggers but i could teach my sons to hate niggers
it wouldn't, because believe it or not, armed nigger haters keep niggers away
>>69230175
>Then why do they push for free market and deregulation
They don't. If you think Europe has deregulated at all you must be high. They push for leaders that allow them to get pass the regulation. Go to your small business in Europe which literally has the government on its back paying like 50% of its profit for taxes, and look at your leading corporation which you know isn't paying shit in taxes.
>>69230278
thats the natural order dingus
>>69230094
>. A free market for one society does not translate to a global free market
So, you don't want a Libertarian world?
>>69229232
I will stay in my community, observing you all race mix into inferiority then I will fulfill my biological goal of world conquest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtU3vUOa2sw
Freedom not shared by all is just privilege extended.
>>69230356
No, I've abandoned the term libertarian completely. If I still was a libertarian what I would want is a libertarian United States.
>>69228901
Serves you right to be living at a lower average living standard.
>>69230285
This.
The entrench top uses government to protect it from competition.
Social/economic mobility for the average man stagnates in heavily regulated command economies.
>>69230353
>uses an "appeal to nature" fallacy unironically...
>>69230418
Dirty slut.
>>69230590
Nature is truth not a fallacy.
>>69217339
>This. Both capitalism and socialism can be cancerous, or good, they are just economic systems. What really matters is the social/moral beliefs of the state. Free market fundamentalism and Marxism are both utilitarian and materialist ideals that are fundamentally anti-nationalist and anti-traditionalist.
Underrated post. Not a single counter argument to this.
>>69230645
>uses an "appeal to authority" fallacy without irony... ah, an American... should have known.
Check the /pol/ sticky.
>>69230281
>armed nigger haters keep niggers away
And then comes thousands of niggers every day. Will you genocide every day? American south was filled with armed nigger haters. It's still flooded with niggers
>>69230285
But they do.
>If you think Europe has deregulated at all you must be high.
When it comes to financial markets and banking they deregulated alot. I do agree with libertarians that start ups and small bussiness should have their bureacracy diminished.
> They push for leaders that allow them to get pass the regulation.
Yes. And why do you think that corporations with free reign would not be corrupt?
>Go to your small business in Europe which literally has the government on its back paying like 50% of its profit for taxes
Source? I think it's bullshit, but whatever. /pol/ memes are true am i rite? We, Europeans, are always begging the government to fuck us in the ass. The other day they sent a small cocked official and i didn't feel a thing. I requested two the next day.
>and look at your leading corporation which you know isn't paying shit in taxes.
It's true
>>69230590
darwinism is what drives evolution though, its how both organisms and societies become more efficient. is it immoral that someone who can do your job better than you for less money gets your job? id say its the opposite.
>>69230822
Why do you live?
>>69230822
darwinism is a phenomenon proven to increase the efficiency of systems both natural and unnatural. just because it occurs in nature does not make it an appeal to nature.
>>69217339
/thread
>>69230834
>When it comes to financial markets and banking they deregulated alot. I do agree with libertarians that start ups and small bussiness should have their bureacracy diminished.
No they didn't. They've only "deregulated" for stuff that affects big business
>Yes. And why do you think that corporations with free reign would not be corrupt?
Because it's impossible for a corporation to get that big to actually have its corruption matter without getting special help from the government or at least a government contract, or the government could always bail them out.
>>69219575
Idk about the UK, but there are a large amount of libertarians in the USA that are against open borders. I'm one of them, we're called libertarian nationalists. Free-market economics and tolerant social policies, but closed borders and substantially less involvement in foreign affairs. Libertarians that want open borders tend to be left leaning, and don't understand that you cannot be tolerant towards cultures and people that are intolerant of you
>>69230511
I live in a average in my country. Was this directed at my country?
>>69230877
>societies
Societies are not darwinistic. They were created to be a counter weight to natural selection. Unless you are talking selection amoung societies
>>69230881
let me guess KYS? Like the goo'old merican way?
>>69231102
>No they didn't. They've only "deregulated" for stuff that affects big business
Banking and finance are big bussiness. But they got bigger thanks too the deregulation.
>Because it's impossible for a corporation to get that big to actually have its corruption matter without getting special help from the government or at least a government contract, or the government could always bail them out.
What do you mean? That corruption in big bussiness is not possible? I would love to hear a ecplanation for that.
Foreign and Security Policy
Conscription
AfD want a reinstatement of conscription as obligation for men only.
shieeeet this is against my economic interest to die for kikes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuKbvqzebj0
>>69231373
>Unless you are talking selection amoung societies
that's what i was talking about, but they would be more efficient if they were internally darwinistic via the free market
>>69230877
>darwinism is what drives evolution though, its how both organisms and societies become more efficient
Efficient?
"Organisms" do not follow a process; if the environment changes and the organism is unsuited for the new conditions, it dies.
Adaptable organisms work on the basis of cooperation. This is why social species dominate the planet. Altuism trumps individualism, in evolutionary terms. Individualist species are slowly becoming extinct. Altruism won the evolutionary arms race.
>>69231373
What are you going to influence with your corruption if the government isn't involved in the economy at all? What I'm saying is that for 300 years our societies were completely laissez-faire and we did not have any of the big companies of today. I do not think that's a coincidence. The government holds the power to make monopolies and huge businesses. Remember it was the British government that helped out the East Indian company.
>>69231336
You are not a Libertarian. You are a Minarchist, or simply an ultra conservative.
In Europe Libertarians are non Marxist Communists.
>>69231623
http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1998285,00.html
>>69231753
https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/11/07/the-group-selection-dustup-continues-e-o-wilson-calls-richard-dawkins-a-journalist/
Haters gonna hate.
>>69231623
i don't know what your point is here, but a free market isn't mutually exclusive with cooperation and altruism. i also hav no idea how you equate the free market to individualism. the key to survival in both nature and a free market is a balance between individualism and altruism, because an excess of either can lead to destruction.
>>69231617
So free market is survival of the fittest?
>>69231698
The corporations simply skipp the step of bribing government officials and do thei corruption
>What I'm saying is that for 300 years our societies were completely laissez-faire and we did not have any of the big companies of today
Cecil Rhodes. Large industrialist existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp
>>69232141
> but a free market isn't mutually exclusive with cooperation and altruism.
Can you have a voluntary agreement when one party in the negotiation has greater power?
>>69232227
>So free market is survival of the fittest?
pretty much, though there is still room for altruism in a free market
>>69232358
yes, that happens all the time
>>69216790
>capitalism involves race
Are you retarded?
>>69232530
The "agreement" isn't voluntary if it's made under duress.
>>69232394
So if a chinese is fitter then you or your sons, then there would be nothing separating him from poverty and hunger?
>>69232358
Answer this. I too want to know how libertarians aswer to this
>>69232549
Exactly, that is why it's anti "white "
>>69232639
I am for truth, I can kill therefore I should when its in my personal interest, bourgeois morals do not restrain me.
>>69232635
one party being more powerful than the other does not equate to duress. removal of coercion is the whole purpose of a free market society
>>69232639
>So if a chinese is fitter then you or your sons, then there would be nothing separating him from poverty and hunger?
i don't understand what you're trying to say here, id rather not reply until i do
>>69232639
A Libertarian could not answer this question.
Libertarians have a two dimensional view of power; they only see power in simple zero-sum terms: physical violence against property or person. The coercer and the coerced.
They sidestep any question regarding power, they simply evoke fallacies like "it's natural".
>>69216790
Niggers will always struggle to stay afloat in a free market meritocracy. Why do you think unsuccessful whites love socialism so much?
>>69233021
More natural = more true.
>>69232852
>one party being more powerful than the other does not equate to duress
If one person has access to resources and another does not, the latter is at a disadvantage. The owner of resources has the power and can dictate terms.
> removal of coercion is the whole purpose of a free market society
see
>>69233021
>>69216790
I strongly believe that the government of a state makes little difference in its functionality. The real factor for success is the kind of people that inhabit it.
You could take something like pre-migrant Sweden, enforce any kind of government you wanted (aside from maybe all out communism) and see positive results in productivity regardless. This is because the population is both homogenous and intelligent, forming a strong community that is willing to work together.
Likewise, you could introduce any government known to man on South Africa and still see violence, death, and brutality because the people are stupid and have willingly divided themselves into gangs, despite being genetically homogenous.
This is why the United States is doomed to fail. There is too much of a variation in intelligence, genetics, and culture among its people for them to ever genuinely work as a definitive unit. Trump would slow down this process temporarily, but what about after that?
>>69232227
The thing is that they don't. If the FDA were to close down ships tomorrow there would be multiple replacements the next day.
>>69232950
Yeah, i expressed myself badly
So if a chinese is fitter then you or your sons, then there would be nothing separating you or your sons from poverty and hunger?
If you have a dumb kid is he destined to crime and poverty
>>69233021
This is my 2 principle issues with libertarianism. That a agreement between 2 parties with enequal power (one side has levarage in negociating) can be considered a voluntarily aggrement (a poor single mother desperate for a job is "voluntarily" aggreing to clean floors for 4 dollars a hour) and open borders policies wich are disastrous to any civilization. Well, it's 3 because of libertarianism stance on environmental regulations
>>69233117
And when people are poor and desperate, they turn to crime.
>>69233219
>The owner of resources has the power and can dictate terms.
the whole point of a non coercive agreement is that its mutually beneficial, if one party has more resources it just has more bargaining power and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as it is non-coercive.
>>69233363
The way you view power is wrong. The democratic vote of your dollar is much more powerful than any corporation. There's a reason why wages in the United States plummeted during the gilded age only due to poor immigrants being shuttled over. In prior years people understood this.
>>69233363
>ment between 2 parties with enequal power (one side has levarage in negociating) can be considered a voluntarily
I assume you meant "can't".
In which case, I agree with you. Libertarianism doesn't account for disparities in power. It claims to be a moral ideology, but with regards to inequalities in power, it fails in its own terms.
>>69233363
>So if a chinese is fitter then you or your sons, then there would be nothing separating you or your sons from poverty and hunger?
becoming better than the chinaman or lowering their asking price, those are their two choices to deal with the situation if both fail they can find other work.
>If you have a dumb kid is he destined to crime and poverty
yeah, but my kid will only be dumb if i raise him to be dumb, it will have been my fault and my responsibility to pay for his useless ass not society's.
>>69233462
>if one party has more resources it just has more bargaining power and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as it is non-coercive.
If one person has access to resources and thus has leverage over someone who does not have access to resouces, any "agreement" they arrive at will have been made under duress.
This inequality in power cannot be dismissed.
>>69233300
>FDA
I can admit it. But would they be better?
>>69233519
>The democratic vote of your dollar is much more powerful than any corporation.
Name one sucessful boycot.
hard mode: can't choose government ones
>>69233610
Yeah, my writting skills are very poor. It's what happens when you only write a language and don't speak it. And to make it worse, my posting language is in portuguese, so i don't even get the red underlines.
This is all very explained in this:
http://raikoth.net/libertarian.html
>>69233792
>This inequality in power cannot be dismissed.
actually it can, because inequality in power is does not equate to duress
Did Ted Cruz just admit to the #CruzSexScandal?? Watch short clip right here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pOED4M-WEM
>>69233945
>yeah, my writting skills are very poor
Your English is better than most native English speakers.
Thanks for the link.
>>69233758
> if i raise him to be dumb
There are people who are genuinely dumb. Any amount of education will make them "smart". You are probably a underage. If you are, then please get out of this place. The age minimum is here because of legal reasons, but it should be respected. You have to be a certain kind of mental maturity to be able to handle the rawness that this place offers. I wasn't mature enough when i first came to this site, but i wasn0t a teenager. This place can destroy teenagers lives and i'm not kidding
>>69233974
>because inequality in power is does not equate to duress
Yes it does.
If you're holding five aces in a game of poker (yes, five), you know you can't lose.
>>69229720
>But i think that Scandinavia sicialism was the better system that we have recorded history of.
>is objectively worse than lassiez faire system they had just prior
No you're a delusional faggot ignoring evidence right in front of you because leftist ideology doesn't survive honest digestion of evidence
>>69234304
just because one party cant lose doesn't mean that the other has to, that's what mutually beneficial means.
>>69233945
Yes, considering how the FDA has killed hundreds of thousands because of their corruption
Just one? The Macy's boycott Trump called was literally successful as their stock plummeted the next day. How about you know the Tea boycott? It's literally been a successful part of our nation from the very get go, and I wasn't even talking about an organized boycott. In the nation of the internet and social media it would go much smoother.
>>69234462
It's been nearly 300 years since this concept was explained in detail and been shown as a reality over and over again.
Leftist will never understand it because they don't want to.
>>69234462
The party without the ace cards has to accept offers, he has no leverage. There is no negtiation. The "agreement" is dictated.
>>69234462
So if a person works a 40 hour week for half of your national minimum wage, is that person losing? Is it a mutually beneficial?
>>69234445
In what way was laissez faire better in Sweden?
>>69234255
If you're getting at the fact that he has a mental defect then you and your family and friends will take care of him. Not the government. You can raise any child without impediments to be successful. If he is dumb then you can always get hi in a good trade. It's all in attitude.
>>69234255
>There are people who are genuinely dumb
people are the sum of their genetics and their upbringing (with the exception of severe birth defects)
>Any amount of education will make them "smart"
upbringing is more than education, a stable environment and family life are much more important.
> You are probably a underage
wrong again.
>>69234689
It literally gave Sweden the money to fund its stupid programs. That's how it's better.
>>69234689
>In what way was laissez faire better in Sweden?
>I still refuse to read the article let alone the extremely detailed and well sourced boik book presented right in front of me.
Yeah I know
>>69234799
You're very confused.
>>69234799
And Sweden and the rest of those nations very quickly started to suffer in loss growth loss of work ethnic and general degeneration of their society even before "muh immigrants ruined it".
>>69234673
>The party without the ace cards has to accept offers
wrong, maybe in a society where coercion is the norm, but not a free market
>>69234586
>Macy's boycott Trump
A front presidential candidate organized can be argued as a "government boycot"
>tea party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Liberty
It was made for political reasons. But i can accept it
>I wasn't even talking about an organized boycott.
They were booth organized
>Yes, considering how the FDA has killed hundreds of thousands because of their corruption
What do you mean?
>>69234937
How so? It made Sweden and the Swedish government rich. How can you honestly deny that?
>>69234689
>So if a person works a 40 hour week for half of your national minimum wage, is that person losing? Is it a mutually beneficial?
im having trouble seeing your point again, but in a free market there is not minimum wage, if both parties agree and there is no coercion then it is mutually beneficial, this is the concept of fair trade.
>>69234982
Again, you have a zero sum understanding of power. You only see power in terms of "coercion".
Denying someone access to a resource is exercising power over them, no coercion nneeded.
I
>>69235072
The democratic vote of the dollar =/= an organized boycott, and no that doesn't count as a government boycott.
http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/12/how-many-have-died-because-of-the-fda/
http://www.naturalnews.com/042562_total_corruption_drug_companies_FDA_advisory_panels.html
>>69235219
>Denying someone access to a resource is exercising power over them
them trying to gain access you your property is them breaking the non-aggression principle, in which case exercising your power over them is completely justified. they have no right to your property.
>>69235095
No.
Sweden's economy is not "laissez faire". IT was a mixed economy with heavy state ownership until the 1980s, and it has slowly liberalized to become a dirigiste economy.
Sweden has followed the Nordic Model of development.
>>69234714
But that trade wold be replaced by a better and smarter Indian/chinese/african.
Yes, i would take care of him, but i don't want my son to be a burden.
>Not the government.
I don't want the govenrment to take care of me. This is why no one like to argue with you guys. You always pull this strawman.
I don't want the govenrment to hold the door for me and clean my asshole. I simply want it to provide means so that i may get a good life. I don't care what rates i am taxed, i just want to live a confortable life.
>>69234759
Ok
>>69234799
So Sweden ran on budget deficits from the 60's onwards? Did the budget get payed by reserves?
It seems to me a case of seiing what you want to see.
Show me a graph that says that life was better in pre-60's Scandinavia
>>69235421
I'm not talking about Sweden's terrible economic structure right now. I'm talking about the economic structure they had a long time ago which was completely laissez-faire http://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/how-laissez-faire-made-sweden-rich
>>69235399
>them trying to gain access you your property s them breaking the non-aggression principle
Exactly. That is my point. You only see power in terms of coercion.
The fact that you have the ability to dictate terms to another person because you have the resources appears to be incomprehensible to you.
>>69234817
I'm not gonna read a whole book just because some retard on 4chins linked it.
I have better things to do and better books to read
>>69235577
>But that trade wold be replaced by a better and smarter Indian/chinese/african.
You don't know how trades work do you? You really do not have to smart to do the job you have to be skilled there is a difference.
>>69216790
Libertarianism has got to be one of the most anti-white ideologys around. What other system advocates brining in hundreds of thousands of mudslimes to work for twice the hours that whites can work at for half the pay.
It's got to be the most jewish systems around. Only facism will keep a nation alive.
>>69235577
Yes, from 60s onwards Sweden has virtually been run on budget deficits while increasing regulation and taxes heftily. They have the money for the current programs only because they used to be the richest country in the world!
http://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/how-laissez-faire-made-sweden-rich
That's also an impossibility. I do not think I can find any source that shows that living was better in the 60s by any metric. First off, most of these metrics for life are bullshit. Second, medicine, technology, etc has increased heftily since the 60s. It's undeniable that life in Sweden in the 60s was better than probably every other country though. That's not the case anymore.
>>69235630
Sweden was never "laissez-faire".
Sweden used to encompass all of Scandinavia. Modern Sweden is small, with a population the size of New York City.
>>69236024
Yes, it was. Read the source I linked. Sweden used to have the lowest taxes of any European nation and the smallest public sector.
>>69235110
The case i presented you was hipothetical. If that case happened, then i want you to answer me this "is that person losing? Is it a mutually beneficial?"
>>69235282
The democratic vote of the dollar implies you can do harm to a party by not using it in that same company. I was asking to you if you know of any example in wich the exercise of the democratic vote of the dollar was sucessfull
Your links are a joke
>FDA could have saved life if a drug was cleared sooner!!!
>>69235665
there is nothing immoral about being more powerful than someone, or the fact that this allows you to get more out of a deal it only becomes immoral when the non-aggression principle is broken.
for all your hate for niggers, you sure think like one, the powerful don't owe anything to the weak simply because they are more powerful.
>>69236176
It's not a joke the FDA is corrupt as fuck.
> The democratic vote of the dollar implies you can do harm to a party by not using it in that same company. I was asking to you if you know of any example in wich the exercise of the democratic vote of the dollar was sucessfull
That's like asking me for an example of how nature works. It's all around you. What happens when some company is involved in a scandal questioning something with taxes or illegal procedures? People do not buy from them. What happens when a company is under accusation of animal rights abuses? People do not buy from them. It literally happens everyday. For the publicly funded companies that you say are corrupt to survive they need to show that they're business is continuing to expand not the other day.
>>69236166
Sweden was an Empire, its wealth came from conquest of the Holy Roman Empire.
Sweden wasn't "Capitalist", it was Merchantile. Capitalism hadn't even been invented.
>>69236507
In the 1950s capitalism "hadn't been invented yet" wow colored me surprised! Clearly you have no idea what I'm talking about and didn't read the source.
>>69235716
But that trade wold be replaced by a better skilled Indian/chinese/african.
Happy now? Why are you playing retard?
>>69235940
Are you linking me sources defending libertarianism from a site named "libertarianism"? Do you know the ridiculous that is?
Of course i'm not reading that.
https://www.riksgalden.se/en/aboutsndo/Central-government-debt-and-finances/Debt_facts/historical_development/
This is a real source. Check the '90-'00 part
>>69236235
>there is nothing immoral about being more powerful than someone,
There's nothing immoral exercising arbitrary power over someone? heh...
> it only becomes immoral when the non-aggression principle is broken.
Coercion is only one dimension of power. Denying someone resources is also exercising power. Or, don't you think this counts?
heh
>>69236176
>everything I don't like no matter how well sourced is a joke and I didn't even read it to find out.
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