Who /Nietzsche/ here? Gentle reminder that this guy BTFO'd Christcuckery, inspired the religion of Thelema, was the main inspiration of Evola and also the root of all postmodern philosophy, including feminist theory.
He inspired both Anarchists like Emma Goldman and Fascists like Benito Mussolini, reactionaries like Evola and progressives like Foucalt. He was a protean figure without comparison in history.
>>69206597
>BTFO christcuckery
>inspired Thelema
this is the most edgy thing I have ever heard.
>>69206597
not an arg-
>>69208748
>>69208748
>>69208748
RARE
>>69206597
Not forgetting the übermensch.
Something we can all aspire to.
>>69208748
If you spent 10% of the time you do on the internet actually reading Nietzsche you'd realise that comment is not edgy at all.
>>69206597
Cocksucker
A true OG.
Ends any motherfucker like his name in a spelling bee.
>>69209847
>If you spent 10% of the time you do on the internet actually reading Nietzsche
It's pretty evident you haven't, or you'd be talking about more than 3 words of his, wouldn't you? He wrong more that one fucking book, you know.
more like bietzsche
How did he BTFO Christianity? Can someone explain as fedoralessly as possible pls
>I could only a worship a god who knew how to dance
what did he mean by this?
>>69210702
He means Jesus. The lord of the dance.
>>69206597
What was even the point of this priest anyway?
>>69208748
dont have a macau
>>69210702
inb4 someone calls nietzsche a fag
>>69210802
any and every ameritalian show needs a catholic element 2bh
>>69210594
fucking KEK i love you australia. So much better than Canadians. I hope one day we can eradicate Canada and its inferior population so we can move you guys up to be our neighbor
>>69206597
Tho he expanded it, he owes all his work to Kirkegaard and Schoppy... Tho he expanded it
>>69211036
>Beyond Good and Evil
>Kirkegaard
explain
>>69210770
I was just listening to the dubliners. Nice reference
>>69209847
nietzsche is to phylosophy is what van gogh is to painting. A fucking disaster. If you like preachers so much go to a fucking church.
>>69208748
Christians call him the anti-Christ. He created the post-modern value movement i.e. There is no objective morality.
Is it criminal to tell children there's no santa?
>>69211429
>post-modern
into the trash it goes
>>69206597
and he was polish. Still I think all german philosophy is an illogical, worthless trash
>>69211735
>>69211735
he was not ethnically polish. stop this.
if he was polish, why was his sister so in favor of german nationalism?
>>69211667
>dismissing something before reading it because of a label someone applies to it
into the trash it goes.
>>69211861
Name something good to come from the post-modern movement.
>>69211667
He didn't mean to start it as the be all and end all, just a needed phase so that the best values would rise out of it.
>>69210098
What would you like to know?
I haven't read Zarathustra but am reasonably well versed in his earlier works. I mentioned the übermensch as a gag because this place is full of wannabe nazis. It's a joke you fucking moron.
>>69211932
Adolf Hitler
>>69211861
You've obviously never read his writings. Nietzshe was adamantly Polish. He was ashamed of his German heritage and professed his desire for being Polish.
>>69211260
You probably like Foucault.
>>69212009
>best values
Yes, but do they? I don't see much of merit rising from the post-modern movement
>>69212027
>It's a joke you fucking moron.
Then don't get angry about it.
>>69212126
Wasn't he more of a reactionary to it?
>>69212155
>>69212155
>ashamed of his German Heritage
>wanted to be polish
I think that pretty clearly implies that he is German and not Polish.
>>69211429
You're wrong.
He wrote a book called the Anti Christ.
>>69212182
Hitler recognized that there was no objective morality and was why he wanted to impose his own, without the need of the Church.
>>69212027
>übermensch
what's your critique of that then
>>69206597
Nietzsche is a beta cuck that enabled degeneracy.I like schopie better. Pushes women off stairs, cucked a lot of men.
>>69212305
Source? Because he was pretty into the church, and the moral mythology of his pagan roots..
>>69212182
I find dumbcunts such as yourself need things explained in a manner to which they are accustomed.
>>69212415
he hated the church.
are you kidding me? (this is a new meme in case you missed it)
>>69212306
Loosely translates to 'overman' and is about overcoming.
>>69212305
?
Being an existentialist does not necessarily mean being a supporter of Nietzsche and existentialism is a part of modernism originally.
>>69212648
?
I don't understand what you're saying.
>>69212244
I meant that he was part Pole part German and wanted more than anything to be a pure Pole. So no, he is NOT German and not Polish, but INSTEAD is part German and part Pole with a preference for being a Pole.
>>69212512
>Hitler hated the church
Since when? The Nazi party was pretty pro-church, the cited God a LOT, mein kampf was in place in churches, the catholic church gave him support and he talks many times in mein kampf about being inspired by the church and faith of his mother and kinsmen.
The völkisch-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."
>>69212695
Hitler has no bearing to post-modernism.
Reading this thread makes me realize how shit this bored truly is
>>69210666
He said it was based on a slave morality.
>>69212624
so striving for the betterment of oneself and society?
>>69212714
he used the Church to garner support during war, but had plans to get rid of it after.
>>69212745
yeah he did senpai.
>>69212756
Please elaborate.
>>69212795
Just read the book famalam
>>69212795
Nietzsche is against society
>>69212795
Don't recall any mention of society. But you go ahead and talk about national socialism anyway. For the record Nietzsche despised anti Semites.
>>69212812
>he used the Church to garner support during war, but had plans to get rid of it after.
Maybe. But this doesn't mean he HATED it. He liked it until something better came along, and was happy for everyone to subscribe to it's objective values until it could be replaced by traditionalism.
I don't see how Hitler was inspired by post-modernism in any way other than his disgust for it.
>>69212714
>the catholic church gave him support.
Holy shit, but where did you read this. I learned that the Catholic Church staunchly opposed him largely because he tried to break the German Catholic Church's Allegiance to Rome I believe. Read Mit brennender Sorge. Sure the Church was mostly silent, but not at all supportive.
>>69212828
There is no hope saving these plebs with Nietzsche's dank writings. I'd elaborate, but the preparatory man is not here
>>69212921
>>69212182
>I don't see much of merit
It's not over, the world doesn't stop because you die, use your powers of prediction, would you rather be in a cul-de-sac of values set by some authority with the power to punish heresy or something greater.
>>69212977
The catholic church signed a concordat with Hilter in 1933, wherein they agreed not to interfere with Nazi aims. Pius IX was probably hoping that the catholic church would have a larger share in German gains.
If you actually like Nietzsche, you will end up like him.
Mad and dead.
Nihilism is the voluntary abandonment of God, the abandonment of all love and sustenance, for an empty nothingness.
>>69212946
Ok you're clearly just stupid.
post-modernism doesn't mean hurr durr there's no god lets all go have sex and take MDMA all day
Why do only the dumb ones tripfag.
>>69213102
Subjective morality is all about it being over when you die. Only the objective view of tradition endures. No matter what you think of objective values and morals, they have endured, and you can't just throw them out because they've been around long enough to be considered divine.
>>69213197
Except Nietzsche's writing is direct opposite of nihilism
>>69213226
>post-modernism doesn't mean hurr durr there's no god lets all go have sex and take MDMA all day
Pretty much does.
>>69206597
Daily reminder that Nietzsche's "There is no objective moral truth, all morals and social conventions are just made up by the dominant group to benefit them and keep others down" is literally the cornerstone of SJWism. It moved into the 68 leftism when Foucault, the militiant fag and one of New Left's founding fathers picked up Nietzsche in his 20s and never put him down until he died of AIDS from too much bathhouse gay sex. Result: "Heteronormativity" and all that "White Staright CIS Chritian males keeping everyone down, the entire society is a conpiracy by them to exploit minorities" paranoia we have today. Read up on Foucault and Nietzsche. I like bits of Nietzsche myself but I love how some right wingers think reading him immiediatly makes you an Aryan Ubermensch and never coment on the fact that these ideas is what powers SJWism.
And I'm not a christfag or a leftist
>>69213197
It's not voluntary, familiar.
to embrace "god" is voluntary, and requires a lot of delusion
>>69213270
No, it pretty much doesn't.
>>69213226
Nowhere in my post did I mention any of that shit. Take a minute out, and start again.
Start by telling me what you think late 19th century post-modernism was about.
>>69213327
So why do post modernists fit that sentence exactly, minus the hurr durr?
>>69206597
You do realize that Evola believed that it was Nietche's lack of a spiritual basis for existence which accounted for his mental breakdown?
>>69213330
what do you think it was about?
>>69213073
Nice comeback simpleton. No wonder the Jews rule over you. Oh well, you always cry wank and listen to Eminem again....
>>69213394
because short circuiting your life to be all about pleasure is much easier than doing something else.
Especially if you can convince yourself that there's no reason not to.
>>69213397
Evading such a simple question makes me suspicious of you.
>>69213491
I could say the same of you.
>>69213453
Right, so in a nutshell - There's no god, we're all going to die so lets all go have sex and take MDMA all day because personal satisfaction is the only thing that matters in the universe.
>>69213286
No, you're a person inventing a connection between the observation of how a system works to an unrelated possible example thereof..
>>69206597
>BTFO'd Christcuckery
By cucking for Islam and Judaism.
>inspired the religion of Thelema
Right, like we need any more kooks like Crowley and their pagan mumbo jumbo to destroy Europe.
>>69213580
I'm not evading anything, though. I asked you a simple question, to push along our conversation when you started making shit up.
Then you evaded it. I gave you a chance, bro, and you pissed it away.
I'll give you one more, then i'll (fairly, I think) assume you don't know what you're talking about.
>>69213590
That is how many people take a post-modern outlook on life, but not the only way.
>>69213179
You are correct. Eventually that agreement became liquidated. So I guess Hitler hated the Church in his later years.
>>69213696
>making shit up
you're the one with the fundamental lack of understanding here.
so why don't YOU tell me what you think it is, and we can work from there.
If you're unable to even do that, then I have no need to continue this discourse.
>>69213742
I suppose this is a fair assumption to make. Be nice if there was evidence of it. Maybe there is. I'll have to re-read Zweites Buch.
>>69213197
STFU idiot. You clearly haven't read anything beyond dr Suess and this shitty board.
>>69213760
You're pretty new to this shitposting thing.
Please don't talk to me or my wife's son ever again.
>>69213286
ty for this but foucault was already in the op
>>69213703
It's the only one that makes any logical sense under that frame (The drugs and kind of sex might differ), and is the main expression of it.
>>69213264
It literally opposed innate meaning. Nietzsche was a supporter of existential nihilism.
>>69210702
Dancing is an act of movement without a specific goal.
You aren't going to work or to get some shit done. Nothing matters. You're moving for the sake of moving and enjoying to moment, the atmosphere and the social gathering.
If you think about it, going back and fourth, jumping etc. would be really awkward in our daily life, but not when you dance.
So a God that knows how to dance knows that there are actions without purpose that are very enjoyable and also important for social interaction.
>>69213226
This x 1000. Fucking tripfags are cancer.
>>69213842
I see.
what a shame.
1. How is he to be read for a non native english speaker ? I downloaded the antichrist and thus spoke zarathustra, twilight of the idols... But I don't think I get more than 50 percent of the meanings he conveys.
2. His opinions on Christianity are well known, but , does he give any opinions on islam ?
>>69213438
huh?
>>69214049
It was originally written in German, so just find any translation you can.
>>69214049
>2. His opinions on Christianity are well known, but , does he give any opinions on islam ?
There's a small section in The Anti-Christ that speaks somewhat favorably of Islam.
Neitzsche was the original edgy faggot, but he did have some good one liners.
I've always remembered this from This Spoke Zarathrustra
>The man of knowledge needs not only to love his enemies, but also to hate his friends.
>>69214180
yes, I think he would find it more " life affirming " than christianity..
Not a fan though..
>>69214049
Get a dictionary
>>69214252
It's a shame Nietzsche had such a limited grasp of Christianity. His native culture and family really did a number on him.
>>69211735
Lol. Poles come into every thread to say "he was Polish!"
>this poster must be from cuckanada
>look at flag
EVERY SINGLE TIME
>>69206597
>Nietzsche
A genius from a good family. Died a lonely loser.
"You shall know them by their fruits"
>>69214323
He had a better understand than you, that's why he rejected it.
>>69214233
>Woman learns how to hate in proportion as she forgets how to charm.
>The consequences of our actions seize us by the forelock, very indiffernet to the fact that we have meanwhile "reformed".
>We fancy ourselves more happy, as well as more virtuous and beautiful, when we appear so to others.
This is the advent of satire, the same kind Jonathan Swift would master and promulgate. /Pol is supposed to be satire. Please stop cucking eachother and delete this thread. Nietzshe was a depressed man with a large vocabulary and deep comprehension of semantics. He wrote nothing of worth other than for others like himself.
>>69214399
Now how do you figure that? No need to be defensive.
>>69214377
QC actually
based nietzsche
>>69214509
>tripfag
>is fag
LIKE POTTERY
>>69206597
Why do people always associate Nietzsche with edgy existential nihilism is what I wonder. If you read into Nietzsche he was actually a pretty cool guy, and his entire philosophy was simply seizing the joy to be had in life and to forge your own purpose, to be your own man unrestrained by dogmatic morality you never agreed to.
To be the Overman is to shed petty squabbles, and instead forge one's own heaven in life instead of hoping your miserable life will be compensated for in an entirely hypothetical afterlife.
>>69214567
I'm not wrong whatsoever, though. His grasp of Christianity illustrates Lutheranism and Protestant interpretations of Augustine in a failed grasp at patristics. He substantiates little of his core points against Christianity and because of it comes off as more of a polemic towards the topic.
His overall argument of Christianity as a manifestation of resentment shows how little he grasp Christian philosophy outside of Protestant thought like Luther and Calvin and their interpretations of earlier fathers.
>>69214938
Because that can be easily interpreted as "no rules, I'm the boss" with a r/atheism-like edge against Christianity.
>>69213197
Nietzsche has nothing to do with practicing existential nihilism, but recognizing it and moving on. If somebody is bogged down in existential nihilism, they are not the Overman, they have failed, and Nietzsche himself would likely hate the for being mopey nihilists in the first place.
Rather Nietzsche's idea is-
1) Recognize that there is no purpose in the world
2) Tell the world and everybody who tries to define you with a subjective purpose to go fuck yourselves.
3) Forge your own purpose.
>>69215299
But that's nothing like Nietzsche.
>If we affirm one moment, we thus affirm not only ourselves but all existence. For nothing is self-sufficient, neither in us ourselves nor in things; and if our soul has trembled with happiness and sounded like a harp string just once, all eternity was needed to produce this one event—and in this single moment of affirmation all eternity was called good, redeemed, justified, and affirmed.
The man's philosophy is recognizing that there's no purpose in the world, so one must forge their own purpose in order to fine true happiness. This is the key point of the eternal return- were a being to come to you in your sleep and tell you that you would endlessly relive your life over and over following the same path you have followed, would you name it an angel or a demon?
>>69210802
just a tool to round out the character of Tony's wife and supposedly to raise tension by making the audience think Tony might get cucked by a beta priest
>>69206597
Nietzche would lose his fucking shit if he could see postmodernism
>>69215532
>But that's nothing like Nietzsche.
Interpretations from youths are usually caricatures.
>>69213395
Quality pic you have there my friend.
>>69214938
>to be your own man unrestrained by dogmatic morality you never agreed to.
Because edgy teenagers only subscribe to the latter half of that statement.
>"Life is ultimately meaningless according to this guy, he knows me sooooo well!"
and they leave it at that.
>>69213242
>No matter what you think of objective values and morals, they have endured, and you can't just throw them out because they've been around long enough to be considered divine
of course you can. there is no way to prove that these "objective morals" you speak of have survived not because they are worthy, but in spite of their unworthiness. You may call them objective, but they remain an unproved and subjective assertion.
>>69206597
nah he was motivational speaker tier and had the audacity to criticize Schopenhauer lmao
>hey guys no objective morality exists and christ is a lie
>oh but dont go all immoral okay cus even though there's no objective morality its still important to be moral according to my subjective human standards
>>69216501
So, what are good criteria to gauge the "worthiness" or a law?
> hated christianity
> hated Western Civilization
> gaytheist
> cuck
> thought Islam was the greatest thing ever
>>69216687
Depends what your end goal is (though that's also subjective and fuck me I hate recursive bullshit).
Let's assume that there are some things that are generally desirable. A strong, self sustaining society that lets people go about their business in as an unhindered fashion as possible I would suggest as one of these things.
As such, things that further that are desirable, whether they are rooted in logic or not (and let's face it - if you dig deep enough, not much is).
>>69214345
This was a bait. His philosophy is worthless anyway
>>69214972
>it comes off as more of a polemic towards the topic.
no shit. polemic was his only mode after Birth of Tragedy. He was not the philosopher of the systematic takedown because that is the business of what he would call academic hunchbacks who read too much and have no creativity.
Nevertheless, as far as Xtianity, his ire was directed at Paul, not Jesus, about whom he wrote admiringly.
but you have probably never considered that there could be contradictory implications in the new testament and that they trace back to the problem of faith
>>69217172
Well, if they are generally desirable, why are they not objective? It seems that the human body responds to pretty objective laws. If you don't feed it, it dies, for example. Societies are just groups of people. If you don't feed it, then societies full of people die.
So, how would feeding the hungry not be a useful, and objective law?
Same goes for murder, too, I suppose. Though it's a lot less black and white than that, admittedly.
1. Greek tragedy exhibits two complementary aesthetic principles: Apollonian and Dionysian
2. The Apollonian plot creates the illusion that the hero's will determines actions.
3. The Dionysian chorus reveals the reality that the hero is only part of a primordial universal design.
4. Apollonian: visions, physical, civilization, individualistic
5. Dionysian: intoxication, symbolic, savagery, holistic
6. The Dionysian insight into nature helps us understand the ultimate meaning of life, but it would destroy us if not tempered by the Apollonian illusion of order
7. The Dionysian is key the overcome the limits of the human condition, but we still won't be able to overcome our fate
8. We can only learn to accept and love our fate
9. Human behavior is caused by the will to power (urge to order the course of one's experiences)
10. All living beings strive for a higher order of their living condition to overcome their present state's limitations
>>69217453
Sidenote, but how are you posting from China? Did it get unblocked? It'd be useful as hell to know that, as i'm off there soon.
>>69215433
How did the "forge your own purpose" meme work out for Mr Nietzsche? How will it work out for you? You will face the same reality he did, be denying God and his objective morality and purpose you have nothing, no "make it up yourself" meme will ever provide you with a real purpose to your life, and it will drive you mad and to your death. Absurdism is the necessary result of nihilism.
Instead of denying the objective truth of God, and the plan he has for you and purpose he gives to your life, why not embrace it. The lifeboat is there for you, why drown at sea, tossing and turning, lost in the waves.
>>69208748
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>>69206597
You realize he recanted his entire philosophy when he suffered a nervous breakdown upon viewing a horse beaten to death right?
>>69217600
unblocked around the time of the sale to the jap
>>69215641
Nietzsche did lose his shit, he went mad. He lost it as a natural result of his philosphy of abandoning God and denying his objective truth and the objective meaning God had given to his life.
The same happens to the nihilists and relativists of today.
>>69217507
>Well, if they are generally desirable, why are they not objective?
You can argue that (indeed outside of god that's about a close to truly objective as you are likely to get), but it is still ultimately subjective because it's a human desire and there are a few nut cases that might disagree.
My view is to put the nutters back in their asylum.
>>69217911
Actually he had the same brain cancer his dad died from.
>>69208748
COME BACK HOME SON
CHINA KEKED US BUT ITS ALL OVER NOW
>>69217942
I'm not sure that objectivity and consensus are the same thing though. It's an objective fact that humans have certain biological needs, and those needs must be sustained to uphold morality.
I suppose this is the problem they had when they first decided to "pretend" that some laws were immutable. Some way to shield them from the fucking nutters who would try and fuck things up for everyone.
>>69217742
>Instead of denying the objective truth of God, and the plan he has for you and purpose he gives to your life, why not embrace it.
Because there's literally no reason to believe in God. Belief in God requires faith because all the arguments for God are awful.
>>69217898
goddamn. You ever get RARE'd? I don't see many chinese flags on this board.
Also, where you at, son? You aren't native Chinese.
>>69218111
Consensus is the only thing close to objectivity period. Universal objectivity doesn't exist.
>>69215532
And this is the lie of Nietzsche's philosphy. "It's not really nihilsm, I can just make up a reason why I should live my life, I'd even be able to explain it to an angel for all eternity given the chance." No. There is no affirmation that can be created, the only affirmation comes from the uncreated, God, because only the uncreated can and will exist for all eternity.
Nietzsche denied himself the eternal return of heaven experiencing the affirmation of the beautific vision.
Instead he choose the tormet of the eternal return of hell, begining while he was still alive here on Earth. Perhaps he and the other demons can make up reasons not to feel horrible for all eternity.
Be careful which you choose. Don't share the same fate, embrace God, don't reject him and think you can make up a substitute to affirm you. Hell on Earth, and hell in the afterlife, await you if you do.
>>69217597
>>69218227
>Universal objectivity doesn't exist
natural laws are objective, though.
>>69218227
Why are you using the word consensus instead of empirical verification? Are you, perhaps, a retard?
>>69211546
>everybody completely ignoring the rarest of them all
>>69216687
It's made up. So just make it up.
When you realise there is no basis to any of the bullshit you are making up and are living a lie and your philosophy has created a meaningless life for you without real purpose, have a complete mental breakdown and commit yourself to an asylum. Die there never regaining your sanity.
Or embrace God and live according to his objective morality and objective purposes. Don't be driven made, go to heaven when you die and bask in the k ky true "affirmation", the beautific vision of God, amd the deification of your soul.
>>69218338
You seem to be confused on definitions anon. No true objectivity means no empirical verification.
There's only one philosopher I need.
>>69218273
Boo. You fail to live up to Australian shitposting troll standards. 2/10, didn't even have a chance of catching me. Might have gotten a newfag though.
>>69217597
He was a better theatre critic than he was a philospher. That's from his first work before his philsophy had run it's course and naturally driven him mad. He denounced it later.
The Apollonian-Dionysian dialetic is very interesting, provided you understand Dionysius is Satan, and the Satanic impluse to self-destroy. Apollo is Christ-like, to be virtuous, and contained
>>69218480
>It's made up. So just make it up.
It's not made up. It's just hard to understand. And what we do "make up" is worthwhile because we're the most intelligent creatures that the planet Earth (the only one we have seen with sentient life) has ever sustained.
Even if it's not all objective, it's based in objectivity by objective beings in an objective universe that follows objective laws.
I don't need to embrace God to know this. And I wouldn't share heaven with a bunch of people who won big on Pascal's gambit anyway.
>>69218480
>>69218273
>>69217911
>>69217742
Man, this guy really is a tryhard troll.
>>69218335
That's the consensus. For all means and purposes it's good enough but since the only thing any single one of us can ever experience is our own subjective observation it can never be more than that.
>>69218166
Maybe if you weren't a Jew, and you just accepted the Messiah, beleiving in God wouldn't be such a hard thing.
The Jews rejected the Messiah, that's why they were scattered and destroyed by the Romans. They abandoned God and lost his protection and intimacy. That's why they have been persecuted for 2000 years since. As a Jew you might be angry at God for that, but it was you who rejected God. Come back to him through his Messiah, and be embraced again.
See if things aren't so hard when you let go of the baggage of 2000 years of supposed (though not true) abandonement by God. See if you can't be reconciled to God and Christ then.
>>69211546
boi
>>69206597
>root of all postmodern philosophy, including feminist theory.
What a fucken loser
Also insane
Shit philosophy, burn it, flush it
Also, a fucking leaf
>>69218859
But it's not consensus. If a human body is not fed, it WILL die. If you're talking about whether there might, some day, be a time when the sun doesn't rise, and when a human is born that doesn't need nutrients, then it just seems like an article of faith, more than anything. All evidence works to the contrary.
>>69218920
Holy fuck this guy is still going. I forgot how dedicated /pol/ trolls were.
>>69212769
Only because his insanity and ugliness meant he couldn't get any aryan pussy
Also a scheisshaus composer
>>69212946
He hated Christianity, thought it was too Jewish. He wanted some kind of nordic Christianity, or more likely a revival of Germanic paganism with himself as prophet/messiah
>>69218568
I don't think empiricism requires a belief in objective reality. Every person has a mental model of the world around them, and they place trust in that model regardless of their opinions on objectivity. Every person believes, for instance, that if they fall from a tall building then they'll die independently of whether or not they're paying attention to the situation, because they're grown accustomed to gravity behaving a certain way. We can have predictive models of the world based on the patterns we observe while still recognizing that they're just mental constructs that we create.
>>69218920
Man is appointed mortal sorrow, but the Blessed God shall come down teaching that His death shall bring the despairing rest.
>>69219100
>scheisshaus
I haven't heard this before. Adding this to my repetoire. Thanks, criminal!
>>69218733
No it's just made up.
You are a created faliable being.
God is an uncreated infallible being.
Nothing you make up, will compare or sustain you, to what God will create objectively for you.
Be a child to your Father. Obey and follow God, be reconciled to him. The religion, church, morality, meaning and purpose he has created for you and your life, will always be better than any you could make up as a substitute.
>>69206597
>BTFO'd Christianity
>Literally accomplished nothing except going insane and dying like a bitch
Literally nobody. If anybody had actually understood Nietzsche, our society wouldn't be what it is today. He failed.
>>69219037
>I disagree bcoz reasons, therefore you are a troll lol
>>69219202
It fit the rhythm of the phrase better than scheissenhaus, and you're welcome favella dwelling ice addicted underage prostitute
>>69219200
The beautific vision isn't rest. It's deification, man becoming God, and receiving the ultimate fulfillment from Gods infinite supply. It is God fulfilling the telos God created us to fulfill.
>>69218111
>I suppose this is the problem they had when they first decided to "pretend" that some laws were immutable. Some way to shield them from the fucking nutters who would try and fuck things up for everyone.
Pretty much. It leaves it open to attack when a nutter looks behind the curtain and see there's no one there, but that's the point that My Big Stick comes into play.
For the magic to continue, a certain amount of enforcement is necessary.
>>69206597
>the root of all postmodern philosophy, including feminist theory.
I see... So is your stupidity a choice or part of your Canadian genetics?
>>69219252
I can see your position, and I respect it. But I think that a Father's main concern for his children would surely be that they create a path for themselves, and create a world around them. He wants them to surpass him, not to live in his shadow forever.
>>69219294
Nietzsche was eloquent though. He spoke like a prophet, but the substance of his teachings is hollow, empty, without true spiritual sustenance. At least Schopenhauer is not pretending to have something spiritual at the core. Nietzsche is a bit like cults, like Scientology, it is ultimately worse and more damaging than the thing it (he) criticizes
>>69219020
>If a human body is not fed, it WILL die
Yes, but that being a thing to be avoided is the consensus. Some (crazy) people disagree.
why exactly did Nietzche's works come to inspire apathy, degeneracy and immorality?
anecdotal, but every Nietzche fag I've met has been a thoroughly detestable/misled human being, using his perceived philosophy to be and act like complete shits
>>69219492
Not necessarily surpass him, but I agree that it is a stupid idea to imagine that God would want us to hold onto his coattails forever
>>69219444
if it's magic, then perhaps a big stick is too brutal to be the answer.
A good trick always contains some misdirection.
>>69219524
Well, sure. But then, it's not really consensus if the only people that believe the contrary are insane, is it? If we think that way, we'll never get anything done.
>>69219429
Oh. I figured it literally just meant rest. I'm honestly not religious myself, but I can appreciate God if he really exists. I hate all of that self-centered "Why does God even make suffering" crap. Too simplistic for a creative world.
He was a poet and a literary but not really an academic philosopher as Russell stated.
>>69219528
But that's what postmodernism, and Nietzschean existentialism is the root of this, came to represent. Merely another manifestation of atheistic amoralism. One cannot be a purposeful being without some core morality. That whole late 19th century apathy, the fin-de-siecle decadence and decline into torpor and hedonism, its all related to this kind of morally nihilistic spiritual snake oil
>>69212163
Good one.
>>69219695
He was inspired. But inspired by the demons in his head
>>69219619
>A good trick always contains some misdirection.
Yes, and society is full of it, but when all else fails that's when we bring out the stick.
>Well, sure. But then, it's not really consensus if the only people that believe the contrary are insane, is it? If we think that way, we'll never get anything done.
Pretty much. Again, magic and the stick is what prevents that.
>>69219252
How can God be uncreated? It violates causality.
>>69219492
No, he's God, we are his created beings, he is created by no one. We can join him and become God-like next to him in heaven sure, but we can't surpass him, nothing can.
Our moral paths are very similar, we do have choice, but they are choices within the objective structure God have us for reconciliation and salvation, or they are a choice to reject them and descent into an abyss of madness and hell, here on Earth and for ever after.
>>69219528
Becausw:
1. It alienates them from the true and only source of purpose, love and fulfillment in their lives: God.
2. As a substitute it says, make it up yourself, try being better than everyone else. So you have an empty listlessness becuase they are aimless and without true meaning, and an aroogence because they think they are better than everyone else, the cutting edge superman who will overcome all.
Sooner or later they go mad like Nietzsche did himself.
>>69219574
God loves us, loves us so much he humiliates himself by becoming a human being and dying for us. The only reason God created the unicerse out of nothing was to have created beings to love and be loved in return by. Not absurd to say he want you to be by his side for all eternity, and to be reliant on him to get you there (through personal prayer and church ritual).
It's Satan telling you: "be independent" "cut your own way" "turn your back on God" "surpass the dependent on God", because Satan wants you to abandon God, give up, and choose death, hell and nothingness, instead of the rewards of being intimate with God in heaven. All of that is a rebellion against God, a revolt.
>>69219672
God became man, so that Man could become God.
Read up on theosis and the beautific vision. It's what happens to us after we die if we are accepted into heaven.
It is our telos.
"Whom, then, does Christianity deny? To be a soldier, to be a judge, to be a patriot; to defend one's self; to be careful of one's honor; to desire one's own advantage; to be proud ... every act of every day, every instinct, every valuation that shows itself in a deed, is now anti-Christian: what a monster of falsehood the modern man must be to call himself nevertheless, and without shame, a Christian!" -Nietzsche
>>69221564
it's a nice fantasy, but there is no way to prove that it is true.
>>69217911
>Object truth
>God
>Not science
Straya shit posting hard
You are all debating him because you do not understand. His writing is crystal clear if you have the mind for it. Most don't. Most every dissection of his work I have read makes baseless assumptions and entirely misses the main points. You guys look like the proverbial monkeys at typewriters, bashing away hopelessly at something beyond you. Sucks that true intellect is so rare.
>>69221421
God according to the Bible is fucking borderline, you don't even see it. I would pray for you but that's just silly.
>>69206597
i think he died in an insane asylum, repeating scripture to himself. Guess God got him back
From this thread I'm just going to say Machiavelli is superior because at least what he says is practical.
>>69222856
explain it then.
Where did we all go wrong?
He sure did "embrace" his suffering later am i right
haha
sorry
>>69212710
He predicted german tendency to cuckoldry and destructive nature of progressivism in 19th century. Truly a man ahead of his time.
