I was wondering what /pol/ has to say about. I believe that it is the greatest form of government. With a strong emphasis on tradition and national unity that a monarch can provide.
>>69142144
Italy before Mussolini sold fascism out was the perfect example of monarchy.
>>69142144
>be European
>overthrow government because monarchy is only good when you have a good king and good kings are rare as fuck
>get democracy
>democracy becomes corrupt
>overthrow government again
>back to monarchy
>same problem as before
>>69142667
>Realize that neither democracy or monarchy works.
Time to dust off fascism I guess.
>>69142144
Britain was better (in terms of liberty) when the Monarch's had actual power. Democracy is far more authoritarian than a Monarch.
>>69142144
i agree
>>69143106
>>69143106
>dusts off fascism
>"WE WANT MOAR FREEDOM"
>evul fascism gets crushed by Murrica
>back to "DEMOCRACY FUCK YEAH"
I feel like to people will always want change even though in the end nothing changes. That's quite sad actually
>>69142667
There are alternatives to both, my good man.
Too high chance that an idiot inherits the throne.
>>69143314
>Democracy is far more authoritarian than a Monarch.
It's because crapitalism leads to oligarchy.
>>69142667
The Anglo-Saxons had a way around this where the Theyns could just decide that the King wasn't King any more if the King was doing a shitty job.
Such a concept would later be appropriated at Runnymede by a bunch of Francophone Anglophiles.
>>69143738
Oligarchy is the default state of mankind. Everything else is an exception. The trick is to try to restrain different groups with other powers. So restraining Oligarchs with a King and a parliament helps.
Socialism has also always been Oligarchic by the way. The Oligarchs are just whoever is in charge of the various agencies of the state, unless you have someone like Stalin who gets so powerful he rules in the absolute.
>>69143527
You forgot Pinochet you Baltic mongrel.
>>69142144
i dont like it
pic related : great book
>>69143314
I would agree with that. A good monarch is not motivated by politics or money, a good monarch is motivated for what is best for their people.
Monarchs job is not to be a tyrant, like Louis XVI. A monarch is the ultimate servant to the state. A good example of this would be Frederick the Great, as he considered himself the first servant to the state.
>have a shitty king
whooops, I guess I'll have to try again in 50 years
>>69142667
>>overthrow government because monarchy is only good when you have a good king and good kings are rare as fuck
Anyone who wasn't an outright bad king and just left people to their own devices qualified as a good king. There were far less bad kings than you'd think.
I think monarchy is a very good system however the monarch must be checked by a noble class (an old school House of Lords style parliament for example).
>>69143527
t. Rusky communist
>>69144504
Or just do it Byzantine style and wait for him to be killed in his sleep by his own family or most loyal generals every three years.
>>69143704
I wouldn't call Nicholas II and idiot, he never got the chance to learn properly on how to rule a nation as his father kept him excluded from such things. Nicholas was a good man, husband and father. What the Bolsheviks did to him and the rest of Russia was absolutely barbaric. But that is what you get from communism, short, brutal and violent.
>>69142144
Great, but inferior to the Spartan constitution.
>>69142144
Military dictatorship is the best
>>69144504
One bad king every few centuries is better than consistently bad elected leaders.
>>69144615
Vatniks like most of pol worship pootin and crapitalism, I am communist.
>>69144561
Agreed, the old house of lords was also the best restraints we had on the democratic system. They stopped a lot of abuses of the state until Blair destroyed it.
>>69142257
So a failure
>>69142144
>Monarchist General
>post the retarded cuck that fucked up literally everything he could have
Great argument against monarchy right there.
>>69144381
Frederick was pretty Great.
>>69144731
>I am communist.
That explains so much. So very much.
>be European
>overthrow government because monarchy is only good when you have a good king and good kings are you have now a blood sucking incompetent oligarhy
>get democracy
>democracy becomes corrupt
>you cannot change anything because you literary have hundreds blood sucking incompetent oligarhies insted one
>country dies
fixed
>>69142144
Got something for you all morons.
>>69144727
That's the distinction to make.
A bad king's existence is only the fault of the King, a bad president or prime minister is the fault of the people.
>>69144941
His problem was his commitment to absolutism. Considering he had no real training for being Monarch he really needed to rely on advisors and the Duma but he made enemies of a lot of them.
>>69144955
Smh at modern cuck democracies. Enlightened Despotism is truly the greatest form of government.
>>69142144
The problem with monarchs is that they cause humans to be able to live out their animal instincts to the highest which is why monarchs are easily corrupted and usually complete arrogant god complex psychopaths.
However the same thing happens in republics as well meaning humans are too easily influenced by their animal instincts to govern eachother perfectly meaning we need a technocracy or a government composed of completely rational corruption proof machines, obviously the way the machines was built would be destroyed to prevent any psychopath from hacking it.
>>69145447
That sounds like a bunch of horseshit.
>>69145195
He assumed he could govern like his dad. The problem was his dad was 6'4" and lifted weights between meetings (he actually lifted a train car over his shoulders to save his family from a derailment), while he was a 5'7" manlet who was too shy to look his own ministers in the eye.
Got something for you all morons.
>>69145447
>which is why monarchs are easily corrupted and usually complete arrogant god complex psychopaths.
[citation needed]
>try to get soldiers to follow the emperor again
>they laugh because america had cucked them
>see death of country you love
>can't bare to see it having failed to save it
>kill yourself
America forcing the Japanese to stop seeing the Emperor as divine was more destructive and barbaric than the bombs.
Got something for you all morons.
>>69146104
that's not really why he killed himself
>Monarchy
Fuck that.
>>69146707
lel
>>69144504
Is this really any different than having ten bad elected executives in a row in 50 years? Italy has literally experienced this, btw
>>69142667
>Polybius theory of cyclical political evolution ends up being true
Reality starts to feel like satire these days.
>>69143106
>not having a fascist government and head of government alongside a ceremonial Monarch as head of state
>>69145763
>>69146510
Honestly never heard of them, thanks
>>69142144
I've come to the same conclusion as you, anon, after jumping around from communism to libertarianism to anarcho-syndicalism to anarchism
Democracy is like a sugar pill, it tastes good going down but it has no power to fix anything
For all the groans and pains that 'monarchy' induces, it's the only bulwark against a slow collapse into degeneracy that liberalism causes
The decay of nations is the result of the fall of nationalism and nationalism without a monarch is fascism, or something worse
>>69142144
Also, Nicholas II is based as is pic related
It's a shame he got cucked because of corrupt boyars and traitorous peasants
>>69147278
>Democracy is like a sugar pill, it tastes good going down but it has no power to fix anything
nice shitposting there m8
>>69147474
>comparing Peter the fucking Great to Cuckolas
Please stop, I'm about to crack my face with my palm.
>>69143527
my sides
italians on permanent suicide watch
>>69147474
By no means is Hикoлaй II "based" or just good. He was weak, stupid, and thought that all the problems are solved by "muh monarchy". No surprise he lost to Japan and later let his country become a commie shithole.
Пётp was an ultimate badass though.
>>69147130
Republic with inherited seat master race
>>69144689
Sparta, republican Rome, and America are all examples of republics in the true/classical sense, combinations of monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy, to varying degrees. This has been acknowledged by political thinkers to be the government form which survives longest in a virtuous state, but no government is immortal. The system ages over time, drifts from its founding principles, and then changes, usually for the worse, initiating a cycle of decay and degeneration.
Generally, a republic's aristocratic element devolves into an oligarchy (corrupt aristocracy), then the Democratic element is expanded to dilute it's power by expanding the franchise to less informed and virtuous elements, so that the oligarchy can create and pander to factions, securing more wealth and kleptocratic opportunity for itself. Eventually the people become disillusioned with a dysfunctional political elite and clamor for a dictator to rescue them from the oligarchs.
This generally ushers in an unstable monarchy, with each class in society (especially the military) clashing for power, frequent civil wars, even more corruption, and monarchs/dictators who are lucky to reign for a full decade and can range from tyrants to incompetents to benevolent altruists. Usually the achievements of the latter (the rarest group) are swiftly undone by the former.
It seems to me that the best republics are those which maintain their virtuous state as long as possible, and that the balancing of the three elements in the republic's constitution is key to achieving this goal. a hereditary element may contribute to this by imparting stability and personifying respect for the nation's traditions. The best dynasties are probably those which arose from service to the nation in war, and not those which arose from service to the self in mercenary pursuits, or pandering to the masses.
At the end of the day, however, no form of government or nation can survive forever, or at least none has done so yet.
>>69147917
Pyotr is by no means a saint either. He was the one who enslaved our peasants and in hindsight gave the noblemen absolute power over the serfs which was abused as fuck. He kinda fucked up the church with the holy sinod too
>>69148988
He was a very strong and cruel ruler, sure. But at least he made Russia great... for the first time, actually.
>>69147098
This, I think the 2,000+ years of history following the major Greek and Hellenistic political commentaries shows that they were generally quite accurate.
>>69148988
It made sense though
>be peasant
>serve in the army
>gain freedom
>buy freedom for your family
>your children are free
>>69148988
The only saint we had was Alexandr II, didn't end well for him.
also, nice dubs, fellow muzhik
>>69143106
>>69142667
Anarchy is the only way
>>69142144
Get out of my goddamn country redcoat
>>69149450
>be peasant
>kill the royalty and get your freedom
>>69149865
Yeah, they certainly got a lot of freedom from 1918-88, comrade
Gulags were 100% free of charge for all attendees
>>69150428
>le Soviets were opressed maymay
look at all that freedom america enjoyed during the days of McCarthy. Not like any americans had to exile themselves because of their political affiliation. OH SNAP
also
>have russian gf
>her grandmother says everything was better during communism
>there was less crime, better healthcare and everyone had a job
>now they're "free" to freeze to death on the streets
>MUH FREEDOM
>>69147278
On the libertarian part. Scandinavias economy is not socialistic, its captialistic.
>>69146707
FUCK YOU!! 1939 BEST YEAR OF MY LIFE
>>69150668
Come on. There is some nostalgia for the 50-80 times, especially from the old people, but no one sane would be willing to relive 17-50 period.
>>69150668
Soviets were oppressed is a fact, not a meme
McCarthy was right. Most of the people he went after actually were communist subversives, and communist subversion created this brave new world of degeneracy and civilizational decay which we now inhabit. McCarthy didn't go far enough, our universities needed to be purged.
FYI, there's a big difference between being forced to stop subverting your current nation and "flee" to a nation which has already adopted your ideal values, on the one hand, and being stood against a wall and shot for not being a good communist, on the other.
The fact that it didn't even take a full generation for the horrors of communism to be forgotten (or, more accurately, erased from the west's cultural memory) is one of the more disturbing developments of the post-cold war era
>>69151339
>mfw it didn't work the first time
>or the second one
>or ever shall
Go back to /r/plazapodemos, we follow God and King here.
>>69150668
There's a good joke about it - that our grandfathers love Stalin's times just because their dicks were erect at that time.
One a serious note, no, repressions were actually a thing, and you could be killed for whatever reason, including using a newspaper with Stalin's speech for wrapping fish in it.
Also, things went full retard in the 80s, when there wasn't enough of anything, and there were huge empty univermags around (soviet vaporwave lol)
This, or your gf's granny was KGB/Party-related, then it was awesome
Healthcare and education were really decent though. Now they slowly die because muh free market.
>>69151326
What's your point? You're talking about a time of WW1, revolution, global recession and finally WW2. I don't think anyone anywhere would really want to relieve the 1917-1950 period. Doesn't mean that things now aren't shittier than in the later years of the USSR.
>>69142144
Good thread, but I'm busy.
You guys will have seen rising of monarchy in Russia soon.
>>69151840
Strelkov to the king lol
>>69142144
>yfw you realise Medvedev is the rightful tsar of Russia
>>69151800
Different kinds of shit, m8. I'd rather be free desu.
>>69151550
>Soviets were oppressed is a fact, not a meme
Have you ever talked to anyone who lived in the Soviet Union? I've known a few, also I've known people from the GDR, and one thing they all agree on is that "being oppressed" bullshit being something the west has totally blown out of proportion.
Yeah, they didn't have democracy, there weren't many luxuries, but there were also no big worries. Most people then, just like now, aren't really politically active, so they didn't have to worry about political opression at all.
>McCarthy was right. Most of the people he went after actually were communist subversives
Land of the free, but you're not allowed to be communist? Wow, some freedom. Sounds almost like... oppression?
>facepalm
>>69142144
There are a number of benefits if pulled off well and if the King fears his subjects.
It's certainly better than some cunt who hasn't been groomed for power his whole life who decides he has a mandate to do whatever the fuck he wants because the electoral system meant a majority consisting of 30% of the 60% of the country that bothered voted for him.
>>69152111
Really? Word filter is still in place?
>>69151621
>Military uprising against democratically elected government
>Civil war won thanks to German and Italian intervention
>herp derp republc didn't work
So when exactly has the monarchy worked out last time, the 17th century?
>>69151800
i would relive it if i could change the outcome
>>69151840
>rising of monarchy in Russia soon
Please not again.
Anyway, communism isn't solution too.
>>69142144
>monarchy goes to shit the moment king turns out to be bad at his job
>democracy becomes a race which candidate promises more shit, corrupt as fuck
>dictatorship is even more corrupt, power held usually held through military and propaganda
In the end turns out you will have as much freedom as much you're capable to fight for, nobody is going to babysit you.
>>69151800
>Doesn't mean that things now aren't shittier than in the later years of the USSR.
>http://blog.chron.com/thetexican/2014/04/when-boris-yeltsin-went-grocery-shopping-in-clear-lake/
>About a year after the Russian leader left office, aYeltsin biographer later wrotethat on the plane ride to Yeltsin’s next destination, Miami, he was despondent. He couldn’t stop thinking about the plentiful food at the grocery store and what his countrymen had to subsist on in Russia.
>In Yeltsin’s own autobiography, he wrote about the experience at Randall’s, which shattered his view of communism, according to pundits. Two years later, he left the Communist Party and began making reforms to turn the economic tide in Russia. You can blame those frozen Jell-O Pudding pops.
>>69152409
>Please not again
>implying it's not already here
>>69152111
I live in a free country, and I have a hard time getting a job even though I have a degree, and if I get a job I earn a slave wage. I live in a 50m2 appartment, can't afford a car, can't afford any luxuries, I can't travel anywhere (because that takes money) and I don't think I'll ever be able to have children since I'll never have even the most minimal financial stability to properly take care of a child's needs. How was the USSR worse than this?
>>69152510
>have full stores
>can't afford anything
yay freedom!
>>69142144
Sorry homie I'd agree but non-arguably the best form of government is a Reformed Christian white nationalist theocracy
>>69149839
True anarchy is temporary, people will start organizing no matter what.
>>69142144
You're absolutely fucking insane. No nation NEEDS a monarch to espouse those ideals. In fact, Bismarck had the IDEAL system of balances and checks before Wilhelm II took power and single handedly sent the world on course for 200 years of global warfare...
>>69152599
You might get shot if you bitch about your conditions
>>69152567
It's not. Dear leader is not dynasty member. He is just an ex-commie kgbist.
>>69152753
Care to explain why?
>>69152599
Nigga please. Are you starving? Do you have a roof over your head? Do you enjoy shitposting about politics on the internet? Do you enjoy being able to read and think not only what party allows you to?
I certainly do.
>>69152965
Not really, people where bitching and moaning constantly in the USSR. And guess what: People in Cuba bitch and moan even more than they do in Europe. Hard to believe but true. Both things I've heard from people who lived this first hand.
>>69152286
>King ousted without proper referendum
>Hurr it's fine because this intellectual Said so (monarchist parties won more votes in the 1931 municipal elections)
>Republican gov. gets massive support from USSR and the International community
>Hurr durr only Franco got help
Spain might have gone through some bad times under the monarchy, but the two republics have been the worse it has had to go through by far.
>>69152114
>Land of the free, but you're not allowed to be communist? Wow, some freedom. Sounds almost like... oppression?
Communists like to game the system of the free world to gain power, then once in control they end the very freedoms which the manipulated.
For example, leftist academics in the 50s and 60s shrieked about freedom of speech and how they had a right to express their views in predominantly conservative universities.
50 years later, they have now declared that non-leftist views must be banned from universities
Communism, socialism, marxism, egalitarianism, multiculturalism, minority rights, feminism, all heads of the leftist hydra which never achieves anything except mass destruction. Leftism is a social cancer
>>69153186
>massive support from USSR
my sides
>>69144955
Agree
>>69152769
Small anarchistic societies then.
>>69153242
>got given tanks, planes, men(enough to suppress the anarchist movement).
The T-26 tanks in the battle of Brunete didn't come out of thin air.
>>69153145
People weren't starving in the USSR, that's the whole point. Nor did they have to worry about having a roof over your head. Talk to some older people, ask them. All the people from USSR and GDR I've ever talked to agreed that you never had to worry about basic things.
I, meanwhile, do have to worry every single day about having a roof over my head.
>>69153408
How's it anarchistic?
Society alredy implies some sort of order.
>>69153493
>Massive support
>couple of old tanks, shitty planes and a few men
>comparing this to massive german air raids and top of the line technology
my. fucking. sides.
>>69143527
>french resistance beating the fascists
my sides are in another galaxy
>>69142144
The monarchy here in Belgium isn't all that great. We're hardly united, nor love our king.
>>69153408
>small anarchistic societies
enjoy get buttfucked by rampaging muslim warlords
sorry to say so but anarchism is a meme
>>69152599
Your country is a backwards Mediterranean market strangled by Red tape and employment regulations which were implemented at the behest of communists, socialists, and unions.
You can't get a job because your government made it almost illegal to fire your father and grandfather in the 1970s-80s, so now firms hire new employees on temporary contracts while waiting for the boomers to die off.
And you're clamoring for more of the same! Spain, France, Italy, Greece, all suffer from massive youth unemployment resulting from ossified economies caused by socialist policy, overregulation, and over mighty unions.
>>69153503
I weren't talking about starvations in Soviet Union. There were little of them. Shortages, yes, starvations - very rarely.
I meant that you now have both freedom of expression and thought and probably don't have to worry about food and roof over your head.
>>69153186
>>King ousted without proper referendum
Jesus fuck, we didn't respect his birthright to be king, how could we!
>>69142144
What if your monarch is a mongoloid retard who sends your country into two world wars?
>>69142144
Reminder that Orthodox Monarchy is the only form of government condoned by the Bible
>>69150428
Much more than in the empire which says something. Unless of course, you think that poor, unwashed, almost completely uneducated 90% of population were more free in their miserable medieval existence than ~100% literacy and employment Soviet population making up the second most powerful country in the world.
Don't steal or be an idiot libcuck, don't go to gulag (which was disbanded after Stalin's death by the way).
I like having a royal family.
Because when the politicians fuck shit up and sell out their country, I can still count on the King and Queen to do their utmost to preserve their kingdom, because a king without a kingdom is nothing.
>>69154072
>freedom of expression and thought
you clearly haven't heard about these folks who were recently jailed for A PUPPET SHOW. They were only eventually released because of the public outcry.
Also, what do I care about freedom of expression? Yeah, I'm free to say that everything is shit, how does that help me get food on the table?
>don't have to worry about food and roof over your head.
Actually, I do. If I lose my job and don't quickly find another, I'll find myself on the street pretty quickly (my parents are my only safety net). It's common for us young people in Spain to go from temp job to temp job. I worry every day about losing the roof over my head. Unlike people in the USSR. I don't even know if I'll ever find a steady job. My gf has a more or less steady job working 24 hours a week at a store making about as much as the rent of our apartment costs (ie half her paycheck goes to paying rent).
>>69153874
That is a fault of your Belgian people. Who have been cucked by the modern left.
I have just one thing to say about monarchy, our king is a bit funny at least
https://youtu.be/jXw9jGTdBy0
>>69154125
>tfw germany implies elected officials don't start world wars
>>69147474
Peter "The Great" I > Nickolas "Idiot and fool" II
>>69154184
>Soviet population making up the second most powerful country in the world.
Yup and failed because soviet people couldn't afford basic stuff like cars or normal clothes and other stuff that goym love.
USSR was led by retarded ideology of war with the western world and spend all it's resources on useless stuff.
>>69142144
I bow to no man. Period.
You gotta problem with that?
Bring your army
>>69146707
>implying we lived better under the republic than nao
Sure thing pal
>>69154184
>Don't steal
>imblyin
Nomeclatura was corrupt as fuck
>or be an idiot libcuck
>everything who doesn't kneel and shuts his mouth in sight of wrongdoings is a libcuck
>>69154525
>Also, what do I care about freedom of expression? Yeah, I'm free to say that everything is shit, how does that help me get food on the table?
Nobody cares about it until it's lost.
>>69154736
Again, still much, much better than the empire which was so fucked up that it's not even funny.
>basic stuff like cars
That's luxury, not basic stuff.
>or normal clothes
Look up what your grand grand parents had to wear and how.
>>69154865
>implying we didn't, in relation to the wealth of the country at the time and average living standards
>what is the crash of 1929 and the depression of the 1930s
>implying the worst time for spain in the 20th century weren't the 1940's and 50's
>>69155056
>Starve to death
>it's ok because you have freedom of expression
I'm not even against freedom of expression, it's great, but if I had to choose between a comfortable life without it, or a shit life with it, I choose the former.
>>69154792
It's agains nature. Humans are made to live in groups, and groups need leaders.
Anarchy is an utopic idea, but nothing more. It can't work...
>>69155238
>still much, much better
Maybe. But could be much much better if we had a normal country and ideology instead of USSR. You compare outdated shit (monarchy) with jew shit (communism).
>>69153664
The republic fell because it couldn't support its own weight, it was a far too advanced government for a society too old and traditional, but the idiots who praise that time and fail to understand why it failed are as dumb as the ones that try to bring Franco back, reactionaries all of em
>>69151840
2017 marks 100 years since the massacre of the romanovs. What does Putin have planned?
>>69155405
>I choose the former
It's cool. I think freedom is the greatest gift and it trumps all.
>>69155701
Tell that to the homeless in Moscow that freeze to death every year.
A constitutional monarchy is best.
Have basic rights that the king cannot change, then let him rule as he would within that framework with a system in place to imprach him should he go completely off the rails.
I would fight for Queen and country desu
>>69147098
History repeats itself and satire is based on reality.
>>69144941
Here's a better argument.
>>69142144
North korea is pretty much a monarchy. I don't want to be north korea.
>>69142144
>let heir live in orphanage unaware that he's the heir until the king dies
>>69155625
>The republic fell because it couldn't support its own weight, it was a far too advanced government for a society too old and traditional
Yeah, nothing to do with a completely illegal military uprising against their commanders (aka a mutiny) and their coup d'etat. Nothing at all.
>>69154525
>It's common for us young people in Spain to go from temp job to temp job.
Note my post above, this is a direct result of unions, socialists, and communists pushing for labor laws that made it almost impossible to fire anyone who had a job when the law was implemented in the 70s and 80s. Spain, France, Italy, and Greece all have similar laws, and all he sky high youth unemployment and temporary contract employment for everyone who entered the workforce after the hiring laws were implemented
>>69155764
These people are mostly alcoholics or addicts. Alcoholism was a rampant problem in USSR too.
It's sad regardless.
>>69156123
Look at all those unions during Franco's dictatorship.
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>>69142144
With the times being what they are, you'd probably get some cuck as a king. How about good old direct democracy instead?
>>69142144
ONly thing: What if an idiot rules the kingdom, like Wilhelm II? It was a pity the Dreikaiserjahr came. His father would have done better.
>>69156125
Maybe ask yourself WHY they're alcoholics and addicts in the first place.
>>69155806
This, constitutional monarchy needs liberties and traditions explicitly set in stone, but the monarch should still be more potent than contemporary cuck monarchies
>>69156311
Bad life decisions?
>>69156458
So after the iron curtain fell they suddenly all decided they wanted to start making bad life decisions? Makes sense.
>>69154125
But you elected the Mr. Rectanglestache.
>>69156122
Nigga, you understand history like sheit, the coup happens for a reason, it's not a hell spawn that came because "muh ebil fascists are just ebil" you are the main reason here is a political divide in Spain and the reason half the people can't get their head out their asses,
>>69155602
We aren't fully a Western civilization so we couldn't have had "a normal country". Our path is pretty rough unfortunately. The fact is, monarchs and that faggot Nicholas in particular have led the country into a dead end and a big change was inevitable. Democrats had their chance after the February revolution and wasted it by being corrupt impotent fucks. At least communists were able to mobilize the people, modernize the country and all neighboring ones and make plenty of great achievements. That's not to say that there weren't bad things, of course, but it's a course of history. No point in self-flagellating ourselves.
>>69156602
Look, I'm not denying that the 90s were fucked. Even the crop of the cream, professors, musicians, engineers, many people were left on their on with no money and no jobs. It doesn't mean that USSR was better, it just means that the transition from it was awful.
>>69156602
Basically yes. Those are antisocial people who exist in any country. Including USSR. They send them to the prisons for being parasite back then. It was a crime in the commielands.
>>69156288
What if the same politicians keep getting elected year after year and all the parties become the same and nothing you do can change the path your country is going down?
>>69156787
>The military is more representative of people's interest than a democratic government.
My sides have reached orbit. People like you are the reason why democracy doesn't work in Spain
>If my option doesn't get elected, I don't recognize the elections legitimacy.
>>69157109
Guess you are winning this one.
But yeah, I cant really argue with that because I am all for a mild dictatorship.
>>69157014
>They send them to the prisons for being parasite back then. It was a crime in the commielands.
That literally sounds better than having them degeneracy-up the neighbourhood.
It's highly inefficient form of government
It leads to frequent civil war
It has been proven inferior to representative democracy in virtually every way
it's only good for symbolic nationalism, like UK's monarchy. Any actual power is a terrible idea.
>>69156787
The military coup happened because the military wasn't happy with its own situation, not because they gave a shit about the people. They were literally like a little crybaby who throws a tantrum if he's not the center of attention. Only that this baby is literally the armed branch of the government.
>>69157346
You know what to do, Hans.
>daily reminder that a confederal republic is the best form of state
>>69157570
>It's highly inefficient form of government
It takes a democratic republic months or years to take basic actions, sometimes shit just never gets done because of too much disagreement in senate/parliament.
By contrast a monarchy can take action within hours of realizing a problem exists and laws will never be at odds with eachother as they all come from a single man.
>It leads to frequent civil war
I assume you're talking about succession wars, that's really the only kind of war that comes because of Monarchies and that can be solved very easily by having the only succession law be that the king may choose whoever he wishes to ascend the throne after his death, there's no "I'm his brother which gives me more right to the throne than his first born son."
>It has been proven inferior to representative democracy in virtually every way
Saying it doesnt make it true buddy.
>>69158810
> assume you're talking about succession wars, that's really the only kind of war that comes because of Monarchies and that can be solved very easily by having the only succession law be that the king may choose whoever he wishes to ascend the throne after his death, there's no "I'm his brother which gives me more right to the throne than his first born son
Close but not completely true
Monarchies over the years perfected the system of deciding who comes next, down to the minutia
However, this came too late as the same people who developed these rules later decided to just fuckit and try democracy instead
The problem is dealing with an incompetent or corrupt autocrat, and for that reason a constitutional, or otherwise mediated monarchy is ideal.
>Have the princes and other regents take a series of exams, encompassing the usual subjects with the addition military, religious, and psychiatric examinations, and then rank them, with their position-in-line weighted
In the event of a fuckup situation, have the parliament or a constitutional convention undertake a vote of no confidence in the event of which the next prince in line replaces the king
Flawless, prove me wrong
>>69158810
it's inefficient because if the king says that 2/3 of all taxes must go to his war in France instead of infrastructure, it's very hard to change his mind or vote him out of office. Bad policies are never corrected except by the occasional enlightened monarch who seems to be the small minority in world history. Sure, in theory a king could make a lot of reforms but that's not generally how a king operates. Kings are by nature conservative because their power depends on the tacit support of the nobility. The nobility generally has little interest in anything but maintaining their current hereditary status. This gets back to why civil wars are so common in most monarchies. Any changes that the nobility didn't like were met with civil war.
Democracy is less efficient in the short term, but much more efficient in the long term.
>>69160308
>>69158810
also, having a deliberative process with checks and balances gives businesses more confidence to invest long term. They aren't as worried about a corrupt dictator coming into office who will increase their taxes or extort them to pay for some adventure. That's why the most prosperous countries on earth are inevitably liberal democracies. Look at history of Netherlands, UK and Italy; as soon as democracy was implemented (by their standards) prosperity followed.
>>69142144
Monarchy is a great form of Government if and only if the monarchy can be rooted in a deep form of nationalism and history. Monarchy would never work for America because we never had an era of nobility and Kings. It also only works for certain European nations as well. Nations that just take some random King's brother as their new King are stupid. Promoting some German King in Poland, Romania, or another country does not work; promoting a noble family with history and sacrifice in their home country does.
>>69160308
There were no civil wars in Sweden before our democratic movement.
Now, democracy have brought us the kebab invasion, the devaluation of our currency and a parasitic financial sector, our proud military is in shambles, feminist / gender-scientist - kleptocrats are rampant in the civil service.
There is no long-term benefits. Your entire argument is retarder burger nonsense.
>>69160308
Then don't have a nobility, all power of the government is vested in a single monarch, and in terms of avoiding shitty kings, any person raised from birth with the best tutors in every subject and spending loads of time with the previous Monarch is 99 times out of 100 going to be at least decent at ruling, most likely really fucking good at ruling.
We don't remember the thousands of kings who ruled peacefully over their countries for 50 years then died, leaving the throne to an obvious heir, we only talk about the ones who went batshit nuts and killed everyone they didnt like.
>>69160580
Yes, you're right, but the key to democratic success was the people, not the political process
In time, as political and social standards eroded so did the effectiveness of democracy
Just look at it now,
>Netherlands... well, it could be better it also had the greater part of a millennia to refine its political process
>UK = caliphate libcamp
>Italy = mafia poorfag capital
>>69160803
yet here you sit in an advanced technological civilization where you enjoy enormous political and personal freedoms compared to pretty much any prior generation anywhere on earth.
>>69160786
I would agree with that
>>69161065
Rome was a monarch, that became a republic that became a monarchy again. Clearly it shows that Imperial Rome was superior to the republic, because they were more technologically advanced.
Imperial Germany was an industrial and technological power-house, during it's short life, they won more nobel prizes in the natural sciences than Clapistan, the UK and France did together.
Again, you sprout complete burger-nonsense.
>>69144053
This!
True Indo-European kingship was vastly different than the degenerate "kingship" introduced by Christianity and its Semetic concepts of rulers & God.
>>69152510
Fuck you ashole. Who gives a shit about some dumb propagand? There was a referendum and millions opf people voted TO PRESERVE THE SOVIET UNION!!
Millions of people lived happily in the Soviet Union!!! No one fucking wanted any retarted 'perestroikas'!!
>>69154865
>Implying we can afford the Bourbons any longer
t.CompiYogui
>>69146615
Yes it is, your an idiot.
He knew beforehand that he'd be laughed at. But if he had killed himself without first making a statement his death would've meant nothing. He did his thing knowing he'd commit seppaku before it was all said and done, but his knowledge that the people no longer supported the Emperor is what drove him to that choice.
>>69154147
Christianity is degenerate and promotes the worst aspects of the Kali Yuga.
>>69142144
dammit, Medvedev must be a vampire or something
>>69142144
It`s in any way better than socialism. And also Saint Emperor of Russian Empire Nicolas II said, that the country must be national and started to build democratic institutions.
You cant go against the will of the Saint Emperor.
>>69164246
Not really. But my uncle looked very similar, God rest his soul.
>>69142144
Great father and king..DEATH TO ALL BOLCHEVIKS!
>>69160786
Catherine II was German and yet she became one of the best of our rulers.
>>69154147
> Orthodox Monarchy is the only form of government condoned
It`s not. Emperor was really the Saint man.
And also a Martyr, because he was slaughtered by anglo jews in the beginning of the "russian" revolution.
Previous to this Peter I reformed the Church in 17th century and made it governmental ministry. The Church was subjected to the state. There is nothing in Christianity that makes it governmental-conditioned. Catholicism is not a christianity of course, but i`m as Orthodox ok with Catholics, especially with those outside of cuck-pope hierarchy.
>>69165648
>muh saint martyr
We should canonize all "saint martyrs" that were slaughtered during various palace coups too.
>>69163627
Christianity does not promote shamanism in any way. Catholicism promotes Cybele cult shamanism, because it`s not really Christianity.
Well - at least they let their people read the Bible.
You want to bring up the Warg Vienkers arguments - you go make totalizator about the fight of the two pagan major daemons: Cybele the mother of gods, that castrates her males and favours feminzies vs. Thor - the capeshit meme with hammer something-something german god.
>>69166030
I`ll repeat again. He was the Saint man in his doings.
Martyrdom is the double tragedy.
So knowing this... sure, if the killing of certain person was followed by genocide, that involved murdering 60 million mostly christian people, never seen before (at least on the territories, that where owned by the Russian Empire) terror and special law to murder the priests. Especially if this murder was the key point to begin all this anglo-stuff.
Then this man is the Saint Martyr. He was the spiritual dam for all this evil. And a great guilt is on the traitors.
