Im just gonna leave this here
http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/03/why-rationalism-is-irrational/
>>69028963
>WE WANT TO ABOLISH PRISONS!
>I WANT YOU ARRESTED FOR RAPE!
Yes, I suppose logic and reason haven't done humanity any good ever
>>69028963
Lol wtf
>>69029276
>being rational has no inherent value
As usual moral relativism takes hold
Sup ima write an article trying to rationalize why things shouldn't be rationalized.
>>69028963
>demanding our worldview be formed by factual information and conclusions is a tool made to hurt us!
Yeah, nah m8.
Well there is no rational in prison. Prisons are a.product of the enlightenment. The enlightenment was an era of intense egalitarianism with the idea of a loving God as it's beneficent Lord.
Prisons were.supposed to be a place to rehabilitate people. Prisons were initially intended to spare a man.from the vengeance of mob justice.
Today the judicial system has been declared to be vengeful by the supreme court in California. And prison has been declared a punishment not a rehabilitation. Police have been declared to not exist as protectors.
There is no rationality in any of this. It's all memes.
reason and logic were "invented" by white europeans
therefore, it is a tool of oppression on people of color and we must oppose it!
but wait, if we drop reason and logic, what is left? the Law of the Jungle, right? So that's how race war will begin I guess...
>networking is opression
>>69029276
>being rational has no inherent value
Stopped reading right there.
at least they finally admit it
Jesus almighty christ.
>>69030228
>reason and logic were "invented" by white europeans
Did reason and logic tell you to invite millions of muslims into your countries?
>>69028963
Women jesus christ they are really are stupid animals that should never have any power in a civilized state I mean holy fuck questioning rationality our ancestors were right about this gender from the start.
>>69028963
Abolish laws, police and prisons.
Then someone will murder these tumblr loving reactionaries with no back bone. And then immediately reinstitute law and order.
It'll be like The Purge except, you know, better.
>>69028963
If the author is right does that make her own article wrong?
>>69030485
Clever lad.
>>69030485
It means that men can't be held responsible for their actions, as rational thought, such as respect women as if they are equals or simply peopl, is illogical and a tool of oppression.
>>69030267
wtf.. i don't understand.. elaborate please?
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>>69030228
>reason and logic were "invented" by white europeans
Reason was invented by whites. It is an idea based on conscience and a loving God who instills in every single man and woman an ability to tell good from evil.
The west is increasingly atheist. The foundations of reason are now defunct.
>>69030756
The foundation of reason isn't religion, dipshit. You're thinking of morality. Reason is merely the ability to call a spade a spade.
>>69030485
>And that, for me, is completely irrational
I like how she uses rationality as an argument against rationality.
>>69030839
>The foundation of reason isn't religion, dipshit. You're thinking of morality. Reason is merely the ability to call a spade a spade.
No reason and the idea of being reasonable were defined in a time where you would be killed for being an atheist.
>>69029916
The GD Reich was anti-fascist.
>>69028963
Reminder to not click clickbait
>>69030381
>non-white
Leave the board pls
It's like the epitome of nihilism, fuck everything because it feels bad
>>69030938
True. Those things were unrelated, however. Reason leads to the proliferation of atheism, too, which is why atheism is largely white.
>>69029882
> thinking logically is pain!
> feewings pwz
Liberalism is TREASON.
>>69029276
Anon, please stop. We don't deserve this.
>>69029276
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>>69029342
These people are fucking retards, news at 11.
>Alex-Quan Pham is a Contributing Writer for Everyday Feminism and a Vietnamese queer, gender non-conforming femme warrior. Their favorite word is river. They like mangos and beaches. They believe in the power of dreams. You can find them online at their website or Twitter @tropicalfemme.
>>69031083
The funniest thing is that these people brag about how strong and independent they are at the same time. Everything about them and their worldview is a contradiction
>>69031309
Agent Orange was a mistake.
Literally admitting their batshit stupid ideas are completely irrational and based on feel-good nonsense
>modern progressives
>>69030642
Friendships are evil.
>>69031067
>Those things were unrelated, however. Reason leads to the proliferation of atheism, too, which is why atheism is largely white.
No it does not. Reason is given by a God to men so that they can divine good from evil and right from wrong. Without God there is no good, evil or right and wrong outside of strict math and science.
>>69028963
>everydayfeminism
>>69031570
Strict math and science are what reason is derived from. x=x is a mathematical principle and the foundation of reason which is why logic is a field of mathematics. Again, you're confusing reason with morality.
>>69028963
What does the world "rational" even mean? I'm not a native speaker and I can't really tell. But my instincts tells me that it's something good, and seeking the correct answers.
Assuming this is the case, no, it's wrong to be against rationalism. But the social justice activists are arguing with retards if they think prisons are rational. They literally just follow a logic of
1. Prisons is how it always has been
2. I feel change is bad
3. It is logical for prisons to exist, because I feel it would be wrong to change things
The people the social justice activists are arguing with don't deserve to be talked too, they are too retarded. They should just be ignored. Or at least, they need to abolish reason and logic. Normal people don't listen to that. They need to use emotional arguments. Make the normal people feel something, for example by attacking them personally or bringing attention to sad things. Logic and reason only works on like 10% of the population, the feminists are wasting their time.
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>>69031390
Anons, SJWs may be liberals but not all liberals are SJWs.
>>69030267
>>69030642
>No, this upper-middle-class white girl did not just ask me to help her get famous.”
>That was the first thought that ran through my head after receiving an e-mail from a former classmate I had just run into at a party asking me for professional help.
>“This is a long shot, but,” this woman wrote to me in an e-mail, the subject line of which began with “Help?,” “I’m writing because you mentioned that you are one of the new staff members at Everyday Feminism, and…”
>She then preceded to ask me to advertise her blog to my new job’s 250k+ Facebook followers, a blog she had decided to make feminist three days ago just so I could advertise it for her.
She is angry that a white girl asked her to advertise a blog.
when will these people go away
>>69031671
>mathematical principle and the foundation of reason which is why logic is a field of mathematics. Again, you're confusing reason with morality.
No. You are confusing reason in this context with math and science. Write me an equation for how many prison we need and how many nigger need to be in them. Give me a proof for why a prison sentence is correct. You can't it's all just emotions and values in this form.of reason who is closer to common sense, who is also completely subjective.
>>69031925
>How do I know if I've been raped?
Look unless you got Cosby'd it's pretty obvious.
>>69032018
I can give you an equation for how many niggers need to be in prison...if you give me a PREMISE from which imprisoning niggers is a good idea. It's the premise that is moral, not logical. For example, "Criminals deserve to be imprisoned" is a moral statement, not a logical one.
>>69031873
I don't think SJWs would be classified as liberals at all. They're actually very authoritarian
>>69032018
Nigger, have you never taken a logic course? If you took one that isn't shit then you got in depth jump into what amounts to word math.
>>69028963
This is where leftist philosophy finally kills itself.
Indians sometimes do a similar party trick.
>Things either being true or false is a Western concept. In Indian thought, things are not just either true or false.
>Is it true or false that in Indian thought, things are not just either true or false?
>Um
>>69031855
Google defines "rational" as
>based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
By that definition a prison is logical. A criminal is harmful to society so you keep them out of society. It makes sense logically. Whether or not there are better ways to deal with anti-social behavior is irrelevant to whether the concept of a prison is logical.
>>69031855
>not a native speak
When someone says rational, they usually mean makes sense. And makes sense means all parts leading to the conclusion make sense and so the conclusion is reliable.
2 + 2 = 4 is rational
2 + 2 = 3 is not rational, no matter how much you're called a sexist/bigot/homophobe
>>69031925
>Are you sure it's rape? Then it's rape.
>Are you not sure it was rape? Then it's rape.
>Are you certain it wasn't rape? Then it's rape.
>>69031855
>Prisons are bad
Maybe if you Nordics started doing them right; instead of putting Breivik/etc in prisons that are really more akin to fucking hotels.
What the fuck is your alternative to prison?
>>69032263
He's having a hard time with the difference between reasonable and moral.
>>69028963
Their methodology is completely bunk.
Everyone here blames the Frankfurt School, yet no one on this board has any idea about Deconstruction and Postmodernism and how the latter two are the true ideologies behind SJWs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfRgvfruhPo
>>69032171
>I can give you an equation for how many niggers need to be in prison...if you give me a PREMISE from which imprisoning niggers is a good idea
In this case the word rational is used to justify whatever premise I would give you if I believed in imprisoning niggers. The original premise was rehabilitation, safety from mob justice, and some bible verses and the truth of a loving all powerful.God.
All of these justifications have been discarded, yet prisons still exist. It's all a meme.
>>69032475
Different intellectual movements. Frankfurt school is what's created the valuation of oppression that isn't strictly financial (that'd be marxism). Deconstructionism and post-modernism are not part of SJW ideology as much as they are the tool that's used to rebut traditional ideologies. They use this tool because it's very difficult to oppose deconstructionism from a strictly logical perspective.
>>69028963
We are entering very dangerous territory here
Oh, and because they know that traditionalists of any sort (including classical liberals, who at this point are a sort of reactionary) can't use it back at them.
>>69032586
>Eating food is oppressing someone
They have rendered words meaningless. It's like they want to reduce everything around them into a cold, grey void.
I'm hoping that this new wave of highenergyposting has some truth to it, and that people from all different backgrounds really are turning against the regressive left and their empty arguments.
>>69032665
Frankfurt School was always at odds with Deconstruction/Postmodernism; perhaps the closest where the two overlap are in an early essay of Walter Benjamin's: The Task of the Translator, where he insists all existing languages are inherently fragmented (it's entirely kabbalistic FYI), which is very much what Deconstruction argues.
With that said, FS was never about social justicey type shit. Rather, their works were much more centered around critiques of Enlightenment ideology and progress than they were about feminism, race relations, or "oppressor vs. oppressed".
>open tab
>see " cisheteropatriarchy "
>close tab
>>69032962
>fragmented
Elaborate.
>>69028963
where's the one about "facts" and how they "trivialize female victim's experiences" or something like that
>>69032962
I know what the original Frankfurt thinkers believed, but you're missing how their work has been coopted for contemporary purposes. Frankfurt doctrine was fundamentally Marxist, but it believed that social class wasn't sufficient to unite the people so they'd have to leverage identity instead. This is what modern SJWs do, largely without realizing it. They use postmodernism and deconstruction to break apart traditional positions, and replace them with their perversion of frankfurt ideology. That this isn't what the original thinkers intended is irrelevant.
>Rationalism is irrational.
>Bombing our enemies means that they win.
>Men can be women, and women can be men.
>Morals are subjective, but my morals are objective.
>Ethnic and social tensions cause unity.
NOW
REPEAT AFTER ME
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
>>69033326
Really is crazy, isn't it?
>>69031671
He is right that reason was defined by philosophers like Hegel as being based on a god given system. The rational being the sole truth in the world and therefore god given.
But you can separate god from that notion and maintain that rational is the only reality.
>>69029882
>>demanding our worldview be formed by factual information and conclusions is a tool made to hurt us!
Clearly there is no fact you can give that justifies millions of people sitting in cages.
>>69033101
Basically, Deconstruction believes all human existence is merely the epiphenomena of language, and that language is always aware of its own failure. So, they look for the meaning behind the meaning of a text in order to extract the "true" meaning behind it.
>>69033193
>Frankfurt doctrine was fundamentally Marxist, but it believed that social class wasn't sufficient to unite the people so they'd have to leverage identity instead.
You have no idea as to what you're talking about.
The Frankfurt School barely wrote anything on class struggle, be it economic or cultural. When they critiqued western culture they were critiquing its authoritarianism and the failure of the Enlightenment and progress to liberate mankind.
SJWs use Deconstruction in order to promote their glaring narcissism: "It's racist because I think it's racist," "Don't use bad words because bad words will contribute to oppression," etc. Nothing of SJWs comes from the Frankfurt School and SJWs would probably think the Franks were a bunch of Eurocentricists.
>>69032322
You are making a lot of assumptions here. Is "society" the end goal of society? Shouldn't it be the people?
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>>69032322
I am not against prisons, but the prison system doesn't function properly.
A prison isn't the only way to stop a criminal's harm to society. You could kill them, or you could help them make better choices. I think a prison should only be for helping people get a better life. And prisons are used far too much. In many cases, there should be more use of "home prison" where they are tracked and have to stay at home after dark or something.
The problem with Breivik's prison is that he doesn't get enough freedom. He should be able to take camping trips if he wants to, and he needs to meet many different people. He will never change if he doesn't get to have new experiences and meet new people with different perspectives. And Breivik has it far better than most prisoners in Norway, even.
In general, couldn't it be a good idea to have prisoners and children at school meet in the forest and learn from each other? Just one suggestion.
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>>69028963
Not everything they write is bad. Who else is going to speak out against the injustice of penis size shaming?
>>69032181
Socially liberal/morally authoritarian, Quadroon of Mossad
>>69029276
>I am wrong about a certain issue so people say I'm not rational, therefore I declare that the whole term of rationality must be complete shit and that it is meaningless instead of taking things at face value myself and change accordingly to the circumstances.
typical woman. they can't stand being wrong at any cost. it's disturbing and fucking weird.
ironically she uses rationalism herself to rationalize her point of view and how she feels.
>>69033502
>But you can separate god from that notion and maintain that rational is the only reality
Rationality is not a reality. This is a nonsequitor
>>69029342
this is stupid horseshit too.
>education somehow equals rationalism
it's not that simple. a basic line of thought is rationalizing or analysing a situation or whatever particular state at hand. it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with schools, education or political systems. this is not where rationality or logic even starts.
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>>69033713
Here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHHK6Y3CZhI
At first I thought this was going to have something to do with Kitcher: http://joelvelasco.net/teaching/120/kitcher90-divisioncognitive.pdf
tl:dr
>if rationality is the best, everyone should believe the most rational argument
>there can be no dissent on scientific matters
>all data on tectonic shift proved it didn't exist until some people that irrationally thought it did found more data
>irrational ideas actually advance science and culture
>but should remain small segment of the population
But then I looked at the name of the website and wasn't surprised the girl is retarded.
>>69028963
So I don't have to be rational? Alrighty.
Fuck you nigger cunting faggot shits Hitler should be revived and made the President of the US with Trump as his VP and we should deport all the Mexicans to the Moon and call them Moonxicans and hurl the Moon into the sun with a giant slingshot
>>69033813
You need to reread Hegel.
>>69028963
>everydayfeminism.com
About that...
>>69032665
Lol. It's pretty funny seeing one of you Stormbabbies talking down to someone about intellectual movements when you clearly haven't even been able to acquire the reading-comprehension skills to understand what the guy wrote.
I think the guy you were replying to is fully aware that the Frankfurt School and Deconstruction were two entirely different movements - and on this basis he actually makes a very important point.
The old Stormbabby label "Cultural Marxism" doesn't actually fit very well over ANYTHING, but it CERTAINLY doesn't fit well over this truly breathtakingly intellectually degenerate and batshit crazy article, or to any of the thousands like it, which are what make up the "intellectual substance" of SJW-ism.
Whatever valid critical charges might be legitimately brought against Marxism, no one who has read Marx, Engels or Lenin can fairly deny that central to Marxism is the idea that THERE IS SUCH A THING AS OBJECTIVE TRUTH.
This is actually more true rather than less true of the so-called "Cultural Marxist" revisions of classical Marxism, if what is meant by that is the work of the Frankfurt School. Adorno's central concern was reining in Marx's enthusiasm, learnt from Hegel, for (collective human) subjectivity and rehabilitating "the object" as something that lay beyond human beings' power to appropriate and mould.
The poster you were replying to is right in pointing out that Marxism, in this respect, is completely thrown out the window in SJW "philosophy". The crazy dumb bitch who wrote this article is clearly triggered by the very idea that there could possibly be a "real world". There is, for her, only "racist, imperialist, cispatriarchal" rhetoric on the one hand and HER rhetoric on the other - and HER rhetoric, groundlessly, arbitrarily, simply declaimedly, is the "good" one.
Ironically, this isn't Marx but NIETZSCHE - a philosopher who, for several decades, was a hero to people who would crush this creature like a bug.
>>69034300
how was any of that irrational? this was literally just /pol/ agenda on overdrive. it's fine, really.
>>69028963
Yeah. Liberals thinks "facts, logic, and reason" are "white supremacy." Did you people think I was lying? Liberalism is a mental disorder.
A fascist defends her thuggery.
>>69033611
You're such a naive little cuck if you think the world works like this.
>>69034300
>implying anything you said is irrational
Only the idea about shooting the moon into the sun is a little strange.
>>69028963
Fuck logic too, logic motherfucker always showing up mansplaining everything, fuck logic up the ass!
>>69029329
Nothing wrong with that argument unless you try to mix rational thought into it, you nazi.
>>69030485
No if the author is right then the article is still right. Your mistake is to mix logic into it and logic is applied rationalism so that makes you literally hitler.
>>69032363
>What the fuck is your alternative to prison?
Well, sometimes if a immigrant rapes a girl and it's not very serious rape. (little violence, maybe just drugged the girl) then the immigrant have to endure listening to the victim apologize for being white.
>>69032363
>What the fuck is your alternative to prison?
A firing squad XD
>>69035114
norway is the shit lol
norway always has the upper class bantz that plebs don't understand
>>69034502
Merci beaucoup mon ami.
>Ironically, this isn't Marx but NIETZSCHE - a philosopher who, for several decades, was a hero to people who would crush this creature like a bug.
This, and as well, two of the main personalities behind Deconstruction were Martin Heidegger and Paul de Man, both of them nefarious Nazis. Pretty funny how /pol/tards can rant about such a methodology being a "left wing" or "Marxist" thing.
As well, as this video: >>69034269 points out, PoMo is littered with Kantian-isms. Ironic, because Lenin himself returned to Hegel, namely to understand the role of human subjectivity in the movement of history, after he became frustrated with the Kantian positions of the Second Internationale.
Oh boy, does /pol/ ever need to return to Philosophy 101.
Take your pick, /pol/.
>>69034571
>"Your tears mean more than any real evidence ever could" pic from Simsons.
Trully degenerate, no wonder these people blow at STEM-fields.
>>69034615
It does in a well functioning society. In Norway, becoming a "criminal" is generally a choice you make, and society can help you make better choices if it works properly.
Perhaps it doesn't work in countries where society forces you into crime, either become a criminal, or die, because you literally can't get the option to do anything else. But in a society where crime is something you choose to do, and not something forced upon you by society, a prison system trying to help works really well.
And really, if your society is forcing people to become criminal, it would make more sense to just make open "prisons" where people can come if they want or need to, and get free shelter and food, so they don't have to resort to crime in the first place. Same outcome, but less crime and happier "prisoners".
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>can you not into pastebin????
>>69035473
Well going off the last one..
>32 panels
>list of 406 dishonest and deceitful statements
Certainly sounds like something a feminist could do.
>>69030267
But networking is horse shit.
When people say "it's not what you know, it's who you know", they don't say it like it's a good thing. It's a statement of an unfortunate reality but let's stop pretending it's cool
>>69035473
>implying a middle aged man fucking legal teens is a negative
No it means he's fucking based.
"Creigh Farinas is a neurodiversity activist and blogger, and an advocate for autism acceptance. Despite studying autism as part of her coursework..."
Nearly killed myself here
"Creigh Farinas is a neurodiversity activist and blogger, and an advocate for autism acceptance. Despite studying autism as part of her coursework."
Nearly killed myself here
This is a parody, right?
>>69036239
It might be horse shit but it is something that naturally occured. It is not entitled. And you can't just cut it because it is not based on any set rules or regulations. It just is how the cookie crumbles.
Furthermore, her reason for writing this article is not an example of networking. It was just someone she somehow knew asking her for a favor.
>>69034502
As well, here's another vid from the same woman explaining Nietzsche vs. Postmodernism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd7VeQjlFhM
>>69035451
Wow. Intelligent,well-read woman. Google doesn't turn up much on her. I would have expected a Wiki article at least. Anyway, I'll check out her other YouTube vids.
And yes, her and your central point is absolutely key to the current "culture wars" yet is almost never conceded or even talked about.
Kant and Nietzsche seem odd bedfellows - particularly as Nietzsche was almost as dismissive of Kant as he was of Hegel - but it's absolutely true that the rot that leads to unbelievable horrors like the OP's article begins - in modernity at least - with Kant rather than Nietzsche.
There's one "saving" proposition amidst all the radical "constructivism" of The Critique of Pure Reason, I think - what we call here in France a philosophical "garde-fou".
It goes something like this: "Just because something is transcendentally ideal does not prevent it from being empirically real".
In other words: sure, gender, sex, race, along with space, time, causality and just about everything that makes up our universe can be legitimately argued to be "constructions" at some deep epistemological/ontological level. But these things - the first three hardly less than the last three - have been constructed AS REALITIES and cannot be "deconstructed" ANYWHERE NEAR as easily as these crazy dumb ignorant philosophical fashion victims think they can be.
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>>69029342
Most women can't seem to grasp rational thought or understand why it's important. They work on feelings and emotions because that's important for sexual selection and social dynamics; they've had no real selective pressure in their environment; they're coddled children from time immemorial while men have been fighting and dying and growing stronger and better every single generation for hundreds of thousands of generations.
Men work on reason, rationality, and analytics because that's what keeps you alive in nature: Men have to beat other men competitively, men have to analyze women to understand what they're thinking for courtship, men have to be able to think and act like their friends and enemies - to fundamentally understand them - so they can help them or beat them.
Women should follow what men do and say because men know what the fuck they're on about and women don't.
Yes, it really is that fucking simple.
Women; get your fucking shit together.
>>69028963
>the development of the white supremacist, anti-Black, capitalist, cisheteropatriarchy
I can't keep reading. It's just too stupid.
Dam
Mum I did all the weed
>>69037649
She was born in Rhodesia, lives in Australia, and has a PhD in African literature. She's a Leftist but very anti-SJW, given that she's very much into Nietzsche.
>But these things - the first three hardly less than the last three - have been constructed AS REALITIES and cannot be "deconstructed" ANYWHERE NEAR as easily as these crazy dumb ignorant philosophical fashion victims think they can be.
Which is one key factor that separates SJWs from actual Marxists: SJWs with their methodology coming straight out of Foucault the AIDS man, incomprehensible Derrida, de Man the fascist, etc. spend all their efforts critiquing what's "up there", i.e. exposing a certain identity or societal norm as a bullshit thing that shouldn't exist, rather than doing the Marxist thing by creating a corresponding practice to their theory by examining material conditions.
Take, for instance, I'm an Algerian immigrant living in a Paris ghetto: I can deconstruct the "French identity" and learn how it was historically constructed, but how the FUCK is that going to help me get out of my shit-tier situation of poverty, unemployment, xenophobia, and so on?
It's also why PoMos get tagged as idealists. They assume if we just change the way we think or talk about a certain thing we'll naturally see a change in material conditions. That's not Marxism; that's religious thinking.
>>69030228
They do believe in rationalism, but it's a kind of rationalism that focuses on ad hominems, and power relationships. For them, right is to be oppressed minority, and wrong is the powerful majority.
>>69032475
liberal until a n%$%er steals your bike
>>69030485
The entire fucking "artifle" is a paradox on the level of
> "This statement is false."
It's just completely absurd.
>>69031443
You're right, the scientists who made it should've made it strong enough to melt not only plant matter but all biological matter including human flesh.
>>69039623
>liberal until a n%$%er steals your bike
>until a n%$%er steals your bike
>n%$%er steals your bike
>n%$%er
Wat
>>69039623
Chances are, the real thieves were a bunch of drunken frat boys. Ever been to the Yale campus?
>>69028963
"Ok. My ancestors achieved and got what they have through force. If you want these things then feel free to do the same, if you can. I have no reason to help you or listen to you. Since after all, history is written by the winners".
>>69028963
This has been obvious for a while. This is why the far left always has and always will implode on itself.
If the backbone of your argument is that everything is arbitrary and stupid therefore should be torn down any social infrastructure you put in place will easily fall to the exact same argument.
>>69039623
Also, she goes into more detail about it in her essay in the book Why I Turned Right (I'm not a right-winger but whatever).
She also mentions the shock she fell into after it was revealed she had been taught literary theory by Ben "three reichs and you're out" Garrison.
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>>69038525
interesting posts lads
>>69030381
The Eclipse of Reason did
>>69030268
your waifu is a slut, finally found her name and came 20 times
>>69032336
2 + 2 = 5 you pleb.
>>69034502
Shove it up your ass.
>>69032926
>I'm hoping that this new wave of highenergyposting has some truth to it, and that people from all different backgrounds really are turning against the regressive left and their empty arguments.
we must endure this bullshit
>>69035473
>smug_anime_girl.jpg
>>69033326
Thank you, demi-satan.
>>69028963
I've been saying it for years guys, philosophy graduate fag here.
You can't argue rationally with these people because they don't believe that rationality is good. Their beliefs have root in postmodern thought as promoted by the likes of Marcuse where empiricism has been utterly undermined.
This is why your statistics never change minds, its why Anita Sarkesian still manages to get funding despite utterly failing to deliver on her past projects. Facts don't matter, truth, facts and evidence are all just cultural to these people.
Best way to fight them is to fight them on their own terms. We have the intellectual artillery to do so, just read a modern right wing philosopher like Scruton or Heidegger, you can argue with these retards and win easily without ever having to resort to facts or empiricism, we can beat them with values.
Of course hitting them with facts and such is still good for getting the normies to turn against them, but if you're arguing with them directly without any neutral normies needing to be convinces go full philosoceraptor on them and see them flounder.
>>69044465
Wonderful response...
>>69044926
Thanks you fat lard how about you stop supporting leftypol you faggot cunt, board might as well be renamed /politically moderate and correct/
>>69044814
>postmodern thought as promoted by the likes of Marcuse
Oh please.
Again, Frankfurt School and Postmodernism are totally different schools of thought.
>>69044814
I always take the stance that their goals are just, but their tactics are not going to bring about those goals. They are just splitting up people more and more and accomplishing nothing.
>>69045065
Really? We're trying to engage in intellectual discussion here.
>>69029276
>Being rational has no inherent value
Okay. Then what's to stop me from... oh I don't know... chainsawing her dog's head off and throwing the bloody meat lump at her then drawing a swastika on her face with arsenic?
It's not rational, but being rational has no value.
>>69045296
You're a different kind of cancer and you don't even know it.
>>69028963
2,500 years of civilization's development wiped out in one Marxist generation.
>>69045363
They confuse nominative terms with descriptive ones.
>>69045410
>I have the reading comprehension of a 7-year old.
>>69045422
It's not Marxist, and Marxism has nothing to do with this crap. Again, blame postmodernism (deconstruction especially).
>>69045109
> totally different
Kek critical theory, postmodernism, poststrucrualism, desconstruction whether promoted by Marcuse, Adorno, Benjamin is all the same anti-empirical shit. Minor differences between their opinion on things like consumerism may have made up a million undergraduate dissertations but it doesn't change that it's all broadly the same shit.
Why do these people always need some stupid Buzzfeed-style bite-sized article to tell them what they need to believe to align with their own ideas? It's because they don't think, isn't it? They've never sat down and considered their position and its ramifications, they need other people to do that. Not to inform them on other ways of thinking, but to literally find out what they are meant to be thinking.
You know what, it's not as bad as it could be. First glance, I was expecting some fucking reference to quantum physics.
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>>69029309
literal fucking double think holy shit we really are in 1984
>>69045187
I dont agree their goals are just.
They value equality over progression
I would argue technology has helped improved standard or living way more than equal societies
Clickbait shitfest.
Please tell me this glorious year of the Fire Monkey is when the SJW fad has passed its peak
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>>69029342
Millions of young white women read this website and take it as some sort of source of valuable information.
Fuck the jews.
>>69029342
Is not interrogation a rational practice?
directly from Latin interrogationem (nominative interrogatio) "a question; questioning; judicial inquiry," noun of action from past participle stem of interrogare "to ask, question, inquire; interrogate judicially, cross-examine," from inter- "between" (see inter-) + rogare "to ask, to question" (see rogation).
>>69046324
Literally the only reason they are at liberty at all to discuss setting up the type of society they want is because technology makes it plausible.
So to undermine the very intellectual process that created said technology shows how misguided they are.
As said before, I'm a philosophy grad, I have a lot of time for Nietzsche, Heidegger and discussions that question the value of rationalism and if truth is available. But it doesn't mean anything when you leave the seminar room. These discussions don't belong in politics, where the fruits of science of technology are obvious and the fruits of anti-rationalist philosophy nonexistent.
>>69028963
modern lefties are inherently irrational. we've known this for a long time, folks. nothing to see here.
>>69045549
blow it out your ass.
contributing to image limit :^)
>>69046941
Are you a pragmatist a la Dewey?
>>69045422
Why didn't we stop him?
People like that everydayfeminism blogger also believe the scientific method is "male gaze" and "literally rape of the natural world"
Books like "Radical Ecology" by Carolyn Merchant actually preach this shit
>>69046849
They should really take more notice of a philosopher I'm sure many of them read but haven't understood. We can't ever really criticise methods of thought because to do so we are inherently using tools that are the product of culture. What they are trying to do is a waste of time under their own worldview. I'm roughly paraphrasing Foucault.
They don't like think truth is attainable? Fine, many good philosophers don't. But do they really want to throw away pragmatism? Anyone remotely pragmatic should realise just from its fruits the value of rational thought in the technology it has produced.
Of course some will even reject pragmatism in this regard, arguing that technology hasn't necessarily been good. A nice discussion for the classroom, but considering how other cultures have treated women and minorities they should really not take it out of the classroom.
>>69046941
From what you have seen in your classes do you think a lot of these people are a product of people who should have never gone to university being exposed to ideas that are beyond them and then applying them poorly to the real world?
>>69030267
Depends on the type of networking.
Real life friends and scenarios are fine. Social media is pure cancer though.
>>69043889
Horkheimer didn't suppose there was only objective reason. There are several types of 'reason'.
He begins EoR with analyses and critiques of reason as it had been traditionally treated.
He ends with a call to abandon what was contemporarily known as 'reason'.
The reason things are as they are today is based on a completely different set of objective and subjective reasons than were alive in Europe, in his time, when mass immigration was unthinkable.
And by the way, I didn't mention Cultural Marxism.
>>69028963
>insane ideas with no support are just as good as sane ones
>>69048014
Possibly I'm not sure our universities are quite as bad as American ones though. The famous story from a British university about white men being banned from a meeting comes straight out of Goldsmith's, which isn't a particularly good university. So in those cases yeah.
And in America where people seem to be allowed in with low scores just because they are from an ethnic minority that probably leads to similar issues. I recommend reading Sarkesian's masters thesis, I don't know how bad her university is but it's a pretty terrible paper.
But it seems to be an issue with sociology/politics departments rather than philosophy. In philosophy everyone was criticised. The main lecturer was Hegelian and suspicious of modern philosophy. Another was a massive lefty who loved post structuralism but was still alright, he taught Heidegger and encouraged us to read right wing philosophy because he appreciated it's beauty and admiration of noble values. In fact it's how I started reading Scruton. He believed such philosophy presented an unrealistic ideal, but nonetheless appreciated it.
But politics, dear god. I took some politics modules and the lack of reflection on the ideas discussed surprised me. It was bad enough in the Middle east module, where the west is to blame for everything because "muh imperialism" (even though western imperialism lasted a few decades in the ME following HUNDREDS of years of Ottoman rule, but that's another story).
The politics module that really got me was a political philosophy module about peace building. Pic related, it's a slide we had in one lecture. The thing that stuck with me most though was the lecturers critique of Kant. He barely understood Kant, he didn't really even get the categorical imperative. Yet he dismissed him as a "esssentialist" and pushed Levinas.
And this was a top university.
>>69049573
>womyn
>womyn
>womyn
Jesuschrist I didn't know she had a master's.
I have lost all hope in academia already, but this really shows me how low it can go.
>>69029309
> Rationalism is a tool made to hurt us
It certainly killed Socrates.
>>69049573
> "it is man's, not woman's, " habit" that of killing"
muh millions of babies killed every year in abortion chop shops.
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>>69050950
wait I just noticed...
aren't men and women supposed to be equal?
this destroys all the points she is making KEK
"They say this as if everyone seeks to be rational, as if prisons, themselves — which have grown more than 400 percent since 1970 and which has predominantly impacted communities of color, especially Black and Indigenous communities — are rational. As if being rational has indisputable value."
>locking up dangerous criminals is not rational
>while admitting that blacks commit the most crime
>>69028963
To be fair, she's not necessarily wrong.
>>69051439
The best arguer of anti-rationalist thought was Nietzsche. He would have had SJW's shot.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, we don't need rationalism to beat SJW's, their own world view is quite fertile for anti-SJW thought too.
>>69031309
>Poe's law: The post
This shit has seriously gone too far
>>69051791
Nietzsche wasn't so much as anti-rationalist as anti-objective truth. He sees rationality as coming from human beings and therefore being prone to motivations and non-objective; he comes to this conclusion through reaso though. But yeah he would have had all SJWs shot.
Blaming any specific ideology for SJW seems silly. They are just zealots, adhering to their ideology to an unhealthy degree by defining themselves by it unquestionably.
It's hardly a new phenomenon, and they are no different than any other group of zealots of extremists.
>>69053267
>no different than any other group of zealots of extremists.
Slightly different, because they are a product of the internet. It seems like there's a ton of infighting because they lack more formal bonds. I wonder if they'll ever become aggressively violent.
>>69053267
SJW is an ideology though. It's not some random people.
It's just Post-modern far left ideologies from the 60's that existed on colleges since then. But the internet has allowed them to spread unchecked. They fool naive liberals into accepting them because they pretend they're for peace, tolerance, fighting for the oppressed. So liberals don't examine them very deeply.
>>69029309
>We shouldn't be rational
>Rationalism is designed to hurt us
>Therefore it is irrational to be rational
>So the rational thing is to be irrational
>Which means I should do the irrational thing
>Because that is what would be rational
>And we want to be rational, afterall
What the fuck am I reading?
>>69051439
I'm DYING holy shit.
