>Hitler the leader of Germany
>Stalin the leader of USSR
>no other countries participating
>no nukes
Who would win /pol/?
>>68806310
soviet union hands down, china with there army and russia with tanks.
>>68806310
The jews.
>>68806445
/thread
>>68806310
Germany.
>>68806310
WWII
>>68806310
the Nazis took on literally every other country in the world except Italy and Japan, and they almost won.
The USSR would be nothing.
>>68806444
I honestly think Nazi Germany had the better soldiers, in almost every battle of ww2 against the soviets the Nazis had a higher kill count, in the end it was the harsh Russian winter which did the most damage to the Nazis'
The Soviets.
>Scorched earth
>Pull back to the Urals
>War of atrition
>>68806310
Germany was pushing in the USSR's shit and Stalin was on suicide watch (literally) until FDR bailed his comrades out with an extension of Lend Lease.
>>68806310
Germany doesn't have cannon fodder in the form of her lesser Axis partners. She is fucked.
>>68806794
The USSR had millions of people willing to die so i wouldn't say nothing but i do agree the Nazis had the better soliders
>>68806967
I never thought of an war of attrition... interesting i do agree that the USSR would be much better fighting a war of attrition then Germany would be
My mothers father was a infantry officer in the union, survived the entire war start to finish. In his personal journal that we still have today along with a fucking heap of medals that can turn a coat into a bulletproof vest top to bottom, he details his experiences in the war and how dysfunctional everything about the soviet unions army was.
There was never enough ammo, there was never enough food, there was never enough anything even fucking improvised bombs and combat arms nothing was ever in stock. The soldiers where all farmboys plucked from ultra simplistic conditions right into a war. 90% of them did not have any training at all because people in charge did not expect them to live past the first few encounters with the enemy. The soviet army was literally a meatgrinder, most of the time they lost more men to friendly fire / deserter shooting then from germans.
If only germany and russia went at it uninterrupted germany would obviously win simply because russia would run out of meat.
Germany easily. Germany was rekting urss before they got help from usa. they had no guns, they had no everything, just a lot of people, they sent people unarmed to die before getting help.
>>68807196
>Germany doesn't have cannon fodder
Pretty sure the USSR was the one using its troops as cannon fodder mate...
>>68807995
>There was never enough ammo, there was never enough food, there was never enough anything even fucking improvised bombs and combat arms nothing was ever in stock. The soldiers where all farmboys plucked from ultra simplistic conditions right into a war. 90% of them did not have any training at all because people in charge did not expect them to live past the first few encounters with the enemy. The soviet army was literally a meatgrinder, most of the time they lost more men to friendly fire / deserter shooting then from germans.
This is kind of what i already thought from reading about old ww2 battles, the union army was basically just a bunch of citizens who were handed guns then thrown out into the front lines
>>68808200
Imagine Germany fighting the commies with all their resources focus on annihilating the slavshit menace
If German did fight on so many fronts they would have steam rolled the red monkeys
COCATЬ CУКA COCATЬ БAКЛAHЧИКИ HAДУBHЫE BCEM ПOCOCATЬ ДAДИM.
>>68806310
>>no other countries participating
If this includes no support, then Germany wins.
>>68809129
>>68808391
you want cannon fodder on your side
>>68808922
to bad Hitler did not wipe you out, anglo scum
>this thread
>wehraboos
>muh winter
>muh landlease
>muh german elite
Hitler got rekt at stalingrad and this was the end for germany
>>68806310
Depends on who is on attack and who is on defense.
>>68809771
ГET PEКT ХУИЛO ЧE ПOЧУЯЛИ БЛЯ ДУХ HAХУЙ)
>>68806979
So true, until Russia was able to get every supply under the sun from from the U.S. They were getting their shit pushed in.
>>68806444
>soviet union
>china
epic
The Nazis would have destroyed the Soviets.
>>68806310
Hitler still splits his armor and men at the oil fields like a jackass, soviets still win through sheer numbers.
Would've lasted much longer, though
>>68806310
WITHOUT any extra help from other countries, the nazis would have defeated the soviets at least up to the ural. It would mean war on one front for germany also having better technology. Soviets needed lend lease. The Russians got from the US
>427.284 trucks
>50.501 Jeeps
>595 Ships
>13.303 "towing machines and armored personell carriers"
>35.041 motorcycles
>8.000 "train track building machines"
>1.981 Locomotives
>11.155 Train wagons
>113.300 tons of explosives
>3.820.000 tons of food
>2.317.000 tons of steel
>15.000.000 pairs of boots
>9.681 Fighter airplanes
>3.632 Bombers
The soviets got from the UK
3,000+ Hurricanes
4,000+ other aircraft
27 naval vessels
5,218 tanks
5,000+ anti-tank guns
4,020 ambulances and trucks
323 machinery trucks
2,560 Universal Carriers
1,721 motorcycles
£1.15bn worth of aircraft engines
600 radar and sonar sets
Hundreds of naval guns
With germany having only one front and the soviets not getting all this shit.... they would be fucked, very very fucked. even back then, diaries from soviet officers said that they´d loose the war without the help from the US and britain. What was even more important than the war machinery were alle the support vehicles. By 1943 nearly 60% of all trucks, trains etc everything needed to get troops, food, tanks etc to the frontline. Without all this support, the soviets wouldn´t have a chance. They would lack food, they would lack boots, lack steel, lack trucks, lack trains, crippling them immensely.
It is safe to assume that if germany could put all forces to the eastern front and the soviets not having foreign support, they would have been at the gates of moscow even quicker and would have taken it before winter. Even if the war would have dragged on anyway, the germans would have won through technological advancement, that would have meant intercontinental rockets (A1-12 project fairly advanced already), together with the nuke and/or jet engine.
>>68806887
How to spot a retard
>le Russian winter was the most deadly thing on the eastern front
>>68806445
/thread
>>68806445
kek
but unfortunately correct
and combine this >>68810916
with >>68807995
Soviets would have been defeated. If not for whole russia taken by germany, at least they would have taken everything up to the ural, get rid of communism/stalin. Then just waiting for better technology/rockets and they´d be done with.
>>68808922
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20
>Against Stalinist Bolshevism. We defend our country against it, and more importantly, all of Europe
>>68806310
>people saying Germany
You do realize in this scenario both countries are prepared? Russia has factories in Urals, have all regiments on the front ready, everything is mobilized. Germans don't have European allies and the element of surprise. Right? Don't give this a WW2 scenario, when its clearly not what OP is saying. USSR wins either way. Germany wouldn't even beat France if the French weren't ignorant idiots. WW2 wouldn't even get to 1941.
>>68810916
>>68811189
>if
>if
>if
IF germany would attack the soviets at 1945 german shit tanks and planed would be rekt easy.
time was big factor for the soviet. They built up from horses to a fucking huge industry in a short period
so if if if
>>68810916
Well you're German so of course you're going to say that Germans would've won.....
>>68806445
/thread
>>68810982
Dude if it wasn't for the winter Germany could've arguably captured Moscow
>>68811524
you do know that all these "if´s" were put up by OP´s limitation in the thread? Also imagine germany advancing in warfare technology until 1945 during peace times.... the raping would have been even faster. germany could have bombarded moscow without leaving the country. The people would have been so demoralized by that that massive riots would have brought the soviet union into chaos.
there is now way that the soviets would have won. maybe if they would attack in 1934 or 1935....
>>68806445
/thread
>>68811671
yeah and i also have the info to back that up. these numbers are from sourced history books, together with soviet diaries and other history books claiming the same.
Sacrificing soviet lifes together with lend lease won the eastern front. without either they would have been fucked even with a two front war for germany.
>>68811908
>this delusional
>>68811671
>Well you're German
No. He is an immigrant. So he is right
>>68811216
Kek at the women's face at the end
Beautiful.
>>68811671
must you be retarded and make us look bad
>>68812183
thanks for you input slavshit. just looking at the numbers above should show you their significance. Together with what estonia wrote up there.... soviets would have been defeated in OP´s hypothetical scenario.
>>68811777
And they still would have lost the war
>>68806794
>they almost won
No they didn't , they got defeated by the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union quite decisively.
>>68806310
America
>>68812668
exactly 1v1 nazi germany would prevail. soviets would run out of resources
>>68812486
Fuck off with your devide and conquer tactics you degenerate. My ancestors are prussian on one side and from middle germany on the other side.
>>68812860
yaya pole
>>68812679
>they got defeated by the United Kingdom
topkek, the UK barely survived thanks to support from the US. Even churchill HIMSELF admitted in his 4000 pages book series after the war that german submarines fucked the british supply lines and they started to lack resources. Without further help german subs could have starved britain (just like in WW1). Churchills view on the things, not mine.
>>68806967
>Germany leaves and the Ruskies starve because they burned all of their crops
Hitler would win. Russia would collapse without Britain occupying Germany from the West and North African on one hand, and the USA supplying them with hardware and food on the other.
>>68812679
The only significant contribution to the war Britain made was winning the battle of Britain and being a staging ground
Remember Dunkirk? The Germans could have wiped us out remember in Africa with Rommel?
>>68813073
You know who would of starved if not for the British? The Germans after WW2. So say thank you to British.
>>68813380
Yes so what? Every half informed knows this. That is not relevant to the thread in any way. This is a hypothetical scenario we are talking about so your post is rather insignificant.....
>>68811908
No.
Technology advances exponentially faster during total war and war in general
probably the nazis because a wehrmacht concentrated entirely on the east would sweep Moscow and by effect all of the soviet's morale (which was very important to the soviet war effort)
it could be a very close fight if Stalin used any strategy other than standard meatgrinder
if Hitler got access to the middle east and it's oil it would be an easy stomp
>>68806310
This was already proven.
>>68813541
No you're talking about scenario where Germany has all the advantages and USSR all the disadvantages, might as well say if all Soviet soldiers died of AIDS would Germany finally get to Moscow.
>>68814406
You seem a bit stupid. maybe you have personal reasons for defending your bullshit, but I don't care. In OP's hypothetical scenario, the Soviets would lose. Hard. Probably as hard as France.
>>68807203
>The USSR had millions of people willing to die
i guess choosing life or death wasn't an option in the USSR. If you didn't go to war, you go to the Gulag.
>>68814406
>Germany has all the advantages and USSR all the disadvantages,
this
germany has no resources and could never build many tanks or operate them without gas
>>68806445
/thread
>>68806310
Give me a break now guys. 22 millionen died in the eastern front. 5 millionen were diseased or servly injured.
>>68807203
Doesn't matter how many soldiers you have when American and your other Allies aren't there to provide you with all the transportation (trucks, locomotives, etc.) to move them where you need them. Not to mention all the tanks, clothing, and all kinds of other shit we gave them.
Russia on its own would have gotten curb stomped.
>>68814406
see
>>68814599
your "germany has all the advantages" is utter bullshit. Germany had it´s foreign trade cut and all products removed from foreign markets in the US, britain and france, crippling it´s economy. It started barter trade with other countries so world finance couldn´t profit anymore (the reason for the war in the end).
What furher "disadvantages" could germany possibly have? They had useless italy as an ally which probably hurt them more than helped. The japanese were mostly involved with britain and the US so they didn´t help much against the soviets either. It took britain, france, soviets und US working TOGETHER (not as single entities) to bring nazi germany down. Remove britain, the US and france (also british colonies in africa) out of the equation and the soviets would not be able to do a lot. They either run out of resources or out of lifes....
>>68813211
How would Russia just suddenly collapse?
I think you're underestimating the USSR a bit who ever would win it would be close and hard fought
>>68814599
If in your 'hypothetical scenario' you like to give the enemy more penalties sure, even Italy could beat USSR if every Soviet turned into a pizza. haha
>>68813961
>it could be a very close fight if Stalin used any strategy other than standard meatgrinder
Yeah i dont think Stalin would've fought the Nazis in a meatgrinder it would've been more of a guerrilla war and a war of attrition
>>68814811
Without other countries germany could have taken oil fields (like they tried before attacking moscow). also you probably don´t know that the germans could produce synthetic oil created from coal?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_fuel
>>68814231
No it actually wasn't proven Nazi Germany was literally being attacked by just about every country in the world when they fought the USSR
>>68815318
the "hypothetical scnenario" was given by the OP. So far we have just removed the western and african front from germany and removed british/US support to the soviets. So what exactly is unfair here? This is what the thread is about ....
>>68810916
>being this stupid
You literally think Germany fought alone in WW2,don't you?
You will disregard Romania's oil,resources from Norway and menpower from many different allied European states?
Then you point out all the "help" USSR got.
WAR IS WAR.
Germany misscalculated,and got it's shit pushed in.
>>68815142
And that's why Germany wouldn't of even beaten France in MY hypothetical scenario. You see, in MY hypothetical scenario, French make a wall across Belgium, and WW2 ends just like that.
>>68806310
The entire war objectives of Nazi Germany were just fucked. They never would've been able to hold on to most of their territorial gains, and would've been bled dry trying to push deep into Eurasia. The best they could've hoped for was to liberate Ukraine and Belarus + Baltic States, but Hitler was too high on drugs and fucked up his ability to create those puppet states. Inevitably, the burgers would've grown far more powerful while Germany was forced to wage eternal war.
"Tactically," the Germans would've won up until the capture of Moscow. But shit wouldn't have even mattered because, again, the supply lines were just way too thin. Hitler should've just got concessions from Russia instead of trying to eliminate the Russian Race. Instead, Hitler lost and Communism triumphed.
Napoleon was a far better Hitler than Hitler, and even he failed. Eternal war inevitably fails, because when you lose the first war, it becomes your last war.
>Also. Don't underestimates the Reds at war. It never works out in the end.
>>68815684
You guys dissapointed alot in Stalingrad. I declare you as unaryan,
Go fuck yourself now
>>68806310
Germany could have won if they stopped fighting Russians in blizzards.
And they needed to not overextend.
>>68815750
A fuckin wall? ....a wall will stop millions of soldiers?
This ain´t refugee talk Latvia
>>68815816
>You guys dissapointed alot in Stalingrad
We were with you inside the surrounded city.ONLY NON GERMAN UNITS.
It was you who disappointed.
>>68815684
>>68815750
getting butthurt that the soviets don´t win in a "hypothetical scenario" thread.
So far i´m the only one who provided some numbers and facts, you guys are just butthurt and shitposting. The scenario limits weren´t defined by me you know....
you could try to find out how much the oil from norway and romania mattered. or how much personell the germans got from other countries. at least try to contribute to the discussion in any way that people can get behind your reasoning but that would actually require you knowing your shit. In the end, just butthurt shitposting you commie degenerates.
>>68815806
>They never would've been able to hold on to most of their territorial gains
What do you mean? The Nazis successfully held onto France and Poland until the US showed up and forced them out, why couldn't they have done the same with the USSR?
>>68816024
Everytime an former axis ally speaks: " yada yada we were centre *posts picture of prob now dead soldier* yada yada without us you wouldn´t even have conquered Poland let alone Denmark"
Give me a break
>>68815959
You do realise France would have wiped the floor with Germany had they been allowed to extend the Maginot line across Belgium, right?
They had better soldiers, more planes, more tanks, and more experience. They lost because that's kind of pointless when you can just walk around all that shit and take the capital since you got cucked by a fucking meme nation.
>>68816210
>butthurt
butthurt over your:"you see guys,we would win IF..."?
LOL
You provided facts,that's true,but you didn't provide ALL the facts.
As I said,you missed out the facts about Germany's aid.
>>68815959
Why do you think they went through Netherlands and Belgium? Cuz of a wall my friend.
>>68816210
Well they sure as hell couldn't win in your scenario that I can tell ya haha.
>>68816305
actually france went into germany from the west when germany invaded poland. France barely met any resistance. They then RETREATED of fear to start another world war kek. France could have ended the war rather quick but their cowardice stopped their actions.
>>68816210
>getting butthurt
you are the only one here who is butthurt and your effort to defend a hypothetical scenario
top kek
>>68816546
Yeah France is a bit of a cuck nation that much is certain. Not extending your line of fortification because it hurts Belgium's feelings is pretty fucking hilarious.
>>68816305
Maginot line was impressive. Frenchies should have joined the greater cause with the Brits. No hate guys
>>68816540
maybe true. But so far, nobody comes up with the "germany´s aid" facts. Just that they had aid, not in what way or in what amount.
>>68806310
So just like WW2?
>>68816260
Dude. The Soviet Union is fucking huge. And it's cold. And the roads are shit and you can't send anything to sea. And since you are the Axis army, you don't have enough vehicles and you have to physically march through the territory.
Russia can be beaten in war, even if Russians don't fully acknowledge how many times they've been beaten. It isn't even the manpower that gives them the edge. The Germans were on track to kill all the men.
It's the logistics. It's a fucking nightmare. This was what got Napoleon in the end, and the Fuhrer as well.
Ironically, the Germans in World War 1 had the right idea. Keep focusing on killing the soldiers by slowly marching forward, and then demand a fuckton of concessions from the Russians. Had the US never intervened, the German Empire would've been a comparable superpower.
Let the Russians keep their clay, because they have too much of this. Lenin (secretly) knew this which was why he didn't give a shit about the concessions.
>>68806310
Who is invading who? Where is it taking place?
I've got my money on Germany though, you'd be a fool not to.
>>68816629
why am i the one butthurt? so far I brought arguments and facts/numbers. Only one so far got "germany got oil and people" but they amount is missing to evaluate it´s relevance.
Germany btfo Russiatsan any day of the week
Russia was fucked if it hadn't been for the US supplying literally everything for them after 1942
Russia never had to fight the full force of the Nazis like Europe did
The only reason they even broke through the Eastern front is because Germany sent all of their elite troops on the eastern front to the Western front to try and slow down the Western allied assault.
Ruskies had 0 tactics and after only a short while 0 resources
Nazis buttfuck them in under a year flat
>>68807203
>willing
>>68816767
No not like WW2, During world war 2 Nazi Germany was at war with Britain, France, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, India, the Soviet Union and the US, not just the soviet Union so there was never a clear victor
>>68809771
>rekt at stalingrad
Oh you mean the nation's capital with millions of people to reinforce their numbers after everyone got wiped out?
You're a faggot and not a german
>>68816785
You make a solid point but I still think if the Nazis could've captured enough territory in the Union to successfully have a supply line with Germany they would've had a good chance at holding the territory by brutal force alone
>>68817426
Hitler got fucking steamrolled by the Soviet Union you fucking retard. Want proof? It fucking happened, so shut the fuck up and go back to sucking Kraut cock on your gay little Nazi alt-history forum you fucking cuckold.
>>68817770
Well, diveded power. The soviets only had one enemy on the ground. The germans on the other hand....
>>68806794
They had Austria and Czechoslovakia given for free at the start. Also plenty of time to prepare for a war with both their industry and their mobilized population in the works.
They didnt even officially declared war on poland prior to the strike (which is funny because when they were loosing, they were begging for a truce with the allies).
>>68817770
Dude Germany was at war with like Ten other countries, the Soviet Union was only at war with Germany so to say they got rekt even though in most battles against the soviets the Nazis had higher kill counts is a stretch
>>68817770
Germans had to fight a war on two fronts, with a third party funding both fronts. Of course they lost.
They had amazing KD ratios on the eastern front though for quite a long time.
Nazis would win hands down.
>>68813380
>if not for the British?
The fuck are you talking about?
America was the one supplying the Germans after The Great War to keep them from dying. Just like we did after WW2.
Britian like France, was intentionally starving the German people
>>68817724
They probably could've gotten 800 miles in, and that's it. After that, the Fuhrer would have to make peace with Stalin, but since he wasn't capable of doing that (due to being a Methhead,) the Fuhrer would then keep pushing in, thus making the mistake that he did.
The problem wasn't capturing ENOUGH territory, but capturing too MUCH territory. The Reds had an officer, I forget his name, who pioneered Deep Doctrine which was a highly advanced version of Grant's Doctrine + Brusilov's Doctrine. Highly fucking potent stuff. DESU if we went up against Deep Doctrine in WW3 we would have been seriously in trouble.
Anyway, Hitler took too much territory, and lost. Napeleon took too much territory, and lost. But somehow Kaiser Wilhem just focused on killing enough Russians to cause Russia to collapse.
Heed my advice.
If Genghis Khan couldn't control Russia, then NOBODY can control Russia. It will be as is, forever.
>>68818037
Also by the time they were at war with the soviets, they had plenty of ressources and manpower by then, with most of western europe in their clucthes. But an isolated Germany vs an isolated Russia, giving time for both to prepare, forget it....
They pretty much backstabbed everyone and had a "good momentum".
>>68807995
Someone get Estonia new gifs
>>68812676
Unlikely, if they took moscow, they could've tapped into the hundreds of thousands working in gulags for support. If they had planned better they would've won.
USSR
>>68818037
stop talking out of your ass, bring some facts.
>their industry and their mobilized population in the works.
up to 1937 germany had 4% of its GDP for military, on par with britain. (even in 1939 germany reached 9-10% of GDP for military. The "total war" stuff was a few years later). France was at 8% GPD at the time and the soviets at 9,2% of their GDP. Germany mostly demilitarized after WW2, while britain didn´t, france even continued armament after WW1 and the soviets started in the late 1920s while germany started in 1935/36.
>were begging for a truce with the allies
they wanted peace with britain from the beginning and made that damn clear. They didn´t want war with france, with britain or the US (stupid decision).
Well, considering that the allies were 25 countries, 24 of which were NOT the Soviet Union...
>>68812679
they lost by a single mile, I get a boner thinking about how close jews time came to an end my dick is erect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVEy1tC7nk
ww2 again please.
>>68816305
>France can't rven wipe the floor with themselves, they have to have kebab and African come in and do it for them
>>68818334
who did they backstabbed? they invaded poland thats it. The other countries declared war on germany so they didn´t backstab them.
>>68806310
People think that Germany was a great military power because they gained land fast. There is certainly a lot of truth to this, however, the USSR was simply retreating and building up numbers. The Germans never really had much of a chance to defeat the USSR. Napoleon made it to Moscow and that didn't really accomplish much now did it.
Sure, the Germans were better trained and had a lot of battle experience. But that was only because they were the Muslims of their time: feigning peace whist fervently planning war. The soviets outnumbered them in every respect, and eventually their tanks were superior.
>>68817770
Hello plebbit
Is this even a real question?
Nazi Germany would've destroyed them. They almost did it anyways while fighting on multiple fronts and simultaneously exterminating the Jews. Nazi's, agree or disagree with them, were fucking badass.
>>68819044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClR9tcpKZec
This video pretty much states the predicment of his situation. It also implies that Hitler regretted invading the SU in Total War
>>68818037
>given for free at the start
They rejoined Germany you fuck, Germany was taking back it's lands(all of which with legal and almost unanimous decision to rejoin)
The whole reason the war started was because the Brits and Frogs talked the Polish foreigner minister into telling Germany to fuck off because it was going to invade them
>>68818294
>Methhead
Kill yourself leftist scum
>>68818678
1933-1944 were the only years of truth, all the Jewish rotten cockroaches hiding in their bunkers showed themselves.
There needs to be a ww2 now 1 more time, not 2 more times, there needs to be a ww2 as many times as it takes until the Jew is destroyed.
>>68806310
The soviet union. Stalin allowed his generals freedom to make battle plans. UNlike Hitler who had Micromanage everything. In the end it was hitler incompetence in military strategy that allowed the soviets to win
>>68819449
This is pol. Everyone is fucking fair game.
>>68818294
The Germans would've only needed to capture enough territory to end the soviet threat to them, how much territory that would've had been i have no idea
>>68806310
Germany.
By far.
>>68819244
They didn't exterminate any Jews, they did destroy Jewry and their power.
>>68819508
Kill yourself for spouting meme arguments
>>68819454
I rest easy even if I die knowing that a world power will one day declare war on the Jews.
>>68819454
All the lies were irrelevant, it was Germany destroying the Jewish nation once and for all, they will have no more power.
>>68819525
Try Kazakhstan. One third of the Red Army wasn't even Slavs. Their army was like Xerxes in 300. They kept recruiting from stranger and stranger tribes until it was literally mongols fighting krauts.
>>68819455
>Stalin allowed his generals freedom to make battle plans.
The Soviets battle plan was to hand someone a gun usually an untrained soldier and send them to kill Germans and that was it, thats why so many of them died, they would literally run to their deaths by the thousands its kinda scary how willing the soviet were to die
>>68819525
once moscow fell the su is dead, they would be too destroyed, citizens were already burning soviet citizenship at that time.
>>68819608
As soon as you reply with an actual argument.
>>68819823
>Believing in the cold war propaganda.
The K/D ratio was 1.4/1.
>>68819454
they lose and thus we lost, we can only hope we can raise people to destroy the Jews one day.
>>68820002
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tannenberg_Line
>>68820091
>e
pretty biblical, we fought them and now we get exactly what the germans were fighting against.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDLyKSYRqXM
>>68819793
The problem with your point is you dont consider the point that this anon made
>>68819944
If the Germans would've been able to capture Moscow and they were close there would have been tons of unrest among the civilian populations of the USSR and maybe even possible defections, massive numbers of soldiers were dying on the soviets side
1937 USSR population: ~170 million
1937 Nazi Germany population: ~80 million
That's all it boils down to. That and wartime productivity. Let's hop off the Nazi cock and get real with ourselves: the only reason the Nazis even conquered any land was because of their tank warfare, which was pretty much revolutionary at the time because of how fast they could go. Tanks killed trench warfare. So many countries were expecting to fight a trench war, but were taken aback when Nazis started the blitzkrieg.
Once it became unfavorable for their tanks, like how muddy it got when they launched Operation Barbarossa, Germany was fucked. They weren't Nordic supermen like /pol/ likes to portray, just regular Germans hopped on speed. The Luftwaffe wasn't very effective even early on, and the Kriegsmarine was basically a joke.
The only place the Nazis really excelled was their Wunderwaffen and their science division. If the war kept going even one more year, and they still had productivity, they might have an advantage over the Soviets. But in any war, especially total war, what matters most is the population.
>>68820522
Ah. I see what you mean. However, IDK if that's the right why to remove the Soviet Threat. The better plan would've been to liberate Ukraine and Belarus and bring them into the Axis orbit.
Fair points.
>>68820236
Are we counting the sick and wounded as KIA?
>>68820646
Extremely simplistic view of the war from someone who obviously hasn't put a lot of time into studying it. The Nazis could have defeated the Soviet Union if it weren't for some woeful decisions from the high command.
>>68820646
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Brest_Fortress
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bia%C5%82ystok%E2%80%93Minsk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Smolensk_%281941%29
sorry, my dick is hard.
time to march on, fascism is the strongest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4AF1r0NjiA
>>68819556
Oh right, *wink wink*
>>68820968
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bia%C5%82ystok%E2%80%93Minsk
expect true fascist marches world wide not fbi neo nazis or nazis.
>>68806310
Soviets would have won.
>massive manpower advantage
>massive supply of raw materials
>Stalin actually listens to his advisors like Rokossovksy and Zhukov when shit hits the fan
>better small arms
>larger manufacturing industry
>better at gorilla warfare (like partisan activity behind enemy lines)
>T-34 tanks
>IS series tank
>actually fighting for the survival of their own country, so better morale and more motivated than their German counterparts
>smart enough to genocide hostile ethnic groups AFTER the war is over in order to avoid wasting resources
Germany is tiny and delusional.
Russia is vast and determined to win.
>>68821048
Jews weren't genocide you stupid kike, they were conquered.
>>68806310
>>68806310
>>68811671
Ofcourse the Germans would have won. Pick up a history book. Without the US adopting its new policy of fighting proxy wars by funding / supplying people under the table (although this first time it was above the table via the lend lease act), Russia would have been completely btfo by the undivided attention of Germany.
>>68820968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Uman
I can go all day.
>>68820646
The Luftwaffe wasn't very effective
>pic related
doesn´t look too bad. The nazis have the best air to air combat pilot together with the best ground support/stuka pilot.
>>68821101
Damn Mario. That's a-fine summation of Soviet Strengths. (Although combine the IS and t-34 advantage.')
>>68819556
When you deny the holocaust it makes your point of view seem biased,
the holocaust has been proven true, even the German soldiers admitted they would go into Jewish villages and shoot the men and strangle the woman and children,
The Nazis would put the physically capable Jews into the work camps for slave labor and the ones who were unfit to work were sent to extermination camps,
I dont understand why people deny the holocaust the Nazis were savages
>>68821525
Stupid kike.
>>68813073
This.
It was lend lease to UK that won the war for UK but sealed the fate of their colonialist expansion.
Also the level of commie trolling in this thread is staggering.
>>68806310
>with Lend-Lease
USSR
>without Lend-Lease
Germany
soviets and germany would ally against talmudic capitalism, obviously
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kiev_%281941%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_evacuation_of_Tallinn
LOLOLOL
ww2 again please, this time destroy Russia.
>>68811777
was it really the winter?
they couldnt capture moscow exactly because the soviet was not weak. didnt they have tens of thousands of tanks?
>>68821319
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin
Its a shame Germany can't
>>68821144
It doesn't matter what you want to call it, you crypto-kike. The fact is that he expended a lot of resources and manpower in his "Final solution" that would've been better used against the Soviets.
Hitler dragged America into the war even though we liked the little fucker and thought he had spunk. He should've kissed the ring and we would've kept supplying him with weapons and money. Instead he sperged out over "American Jewery" a blew his wad.
Hitler could've been considered a hero who saved Europe from Marxist Jews. Instead he failed in his mission as the Marxist Jews took over Europe anyways and now he's is considered worse than Satan.
>>68821712
fuck off.
>>68821525
The overfixation on the nazi's and the jews who live milking it endless like niggers who constantly cry racism for gibsmedats n shekels is fucking ridiculous.
>>68818037
>>68818334
t. alberto barbosa
>>68821687
germany diverted some troops to take oilfield which wasn´t very smart.
but also hitler wanted to surround moscow and bleed it dry while his generals wanted a frontal attack. hitler got ill für 2 weeks and the general went with the frontal attack and failed.
>>68821525
true but they never gassed anyone, and 6million figure was litteraly used by jews the past 200 years for every tragedy. What this time it happned to be on the mark?
>>68821687
t. medpack
Numerous minefields
Numerous bomber aircraft
Coastal batteries
Numerous torpedo boats 1 cruiser
30,000
Casualties and losses
Unknown 12,000+ dead (civilian and military)
28 large transports and auxiliary ships
16 warships[1]
6 small transports
34 merchant vessels sunk
LOL LOL LOL
>>68815142
Pretty much this again.
World Jewry had declared economic war on Germany because Hitler bucked the Jew world banking system which was the original reason for Krystalnacht and the imprisonment of Jews and other subversives in the first fucking place.
>>68806310
>hitler at the helm
this alone dooms germany, but the fact that no other countries are in the mix prevents any chance of victory whatsoever. Nazi germany's biggest strength was that it could leverage the manpower of nations it conquered. With nobody producing weapons and ammunition because everyone's at war, they can't do shit. They also have too small an army to really do anything, they'll all just die of cold and that would be that.
>>68813073
>topkek, the UK barely survived thanks to support from the US.
The delusion is real.
You never had a chance.
The Kriegsmarine was shit compared to the Royal Navy, you could only strike from beneath the surface with the uboats just like you did in WWI
The Luftwaffe was ultra shit compared to the RAF, expecially since Hitler put an overconfident junkie in charge of it.
You never won a decisive victory against the British, they always outsmarted you.
>>68821982
t. leaf
>>68821982
fuck off jew.
>>68822064
t. kike america
>>68822064
The delusion is real. Hitler was incompetent as a military strategist, no amount of shilling can deny that, That alone cost him the war.
>>68821777
Sperging out just like your idol. Fact is Hitler was a cunt hair away from being considered the greatest European to ever live.
Instead, he sank an American submarine for no fucking reason other than "American Jewry!!!!!"
He had guys like Henry Ford donating to his war against Marxist Jewry. And he blew it all. So no, you fuck off.
enty large transports, eight auxiliary ships, nine small transports, a tanker, a tug, and a tender were organized into four convoys, protected by the Soviet cruiser Kirov, with Admiral Vladimir Tributs on board, two flotilla leaders, nine destroyers, three torpedo boats, twelve submarines, ten modern and fifteen obsolete minehunters, 22 minesweepers, 21 submarine chasers, three gun boats, a minelayer, thirteen patrol vessels and eleven torpedo boats.[2]
The armada started to move out at 22:00 on the evening of 27 August. Five ships were sunk on 28 August by German Ju 88 bombers.[2] At 16:00, 28 August, the first ship approached the heavily mined waters off Cape Juminda. The first ship to hit a mine and sink was the steamer Ella, and a few moments after her, several other ships hit mines, while German bombers and Finnish coastal artillery opened fire. In the attempt to force the passage the Soviet Navy lost five destroyers, two torpedo boats, a patrol vessel, three minehunters, three submarines, two gun boats, two smaller warships and fifteen transports. Two destroyers, a flotilla leader, a minehunter, and a transport were also damaged.[2]
Later that evening the armada was attacked by Finnish and German torpedo boats, and the chaotic situation made organized mine sweeping impossible. Darkness fell at 22:00 and the Soviet armada stopped and anchored at midnight in the heavily mined water.
Early on 29 August Ju 88 bombers attacked the remains of the convoys off Suursaari, sinking two transports. Meanwhile, the undamaged ships made best speed to reach the safety of the Kronstadt batteries. The heavily damaged merchant ship Kazakhstan disembarked 2300 men of the 5000 on board before steaming on to Kronstadt. In the following days ships operating from Suursaari rescued 12,160 survivors.[2]
>>68822050
have you even read the rest of that post? CHURCHILL HIMSELF said that. These aren´t "my delusions".
>>68822219
t. memhet
The Soviet evacuation of Tallinn succeeded in evacuating 165 ships, 28,000 passengers and 66,000 tons of equipment.[3][4] At least 12,400 are thought to have drowned[5] in circumstances little known outside the former Soviet Union. The event was long downplayed by the Communist regime after the war. The evacuation may have been the bloodiest naval disaster since the battle of Lepanto
>>68822219
Lol sure.
>>68822055
A
FUCKING
ELEMENT WHEEL
We rekt Soviets ez-pz :^)
>>68822344
A
FUCKING
LEAF
>>68815066
>millionen
Just take off the "en" and youre good pal
>>68806887
Are you retarded?
>>68806310
the soviets almost lost even with Britain and america keeping Hitler distracted and supplying most of the Soviet logistics capacity.
assuming the soviets weren't even benefiting from lend-lease, they would have been rofl stomped by the germans since they had a hard time even feeding their soldiers.
>>68806445
/thread
>>68815066
>Le civillian kills
You guys deserved the rapes that my ancestors inflicted upon you.
>>68822287
>>68822334
The Battle of the Atlantic was not about the most powerful navy; neither was it about glorious battles fought between battleships and submarines. But the Battle of the Atlantic was a commerce war waged by German U-Boats against Britain’s merchant marine. For nearly six years, Germany launched over 1,000 U-Boats into combat, in an attempt to isolate and blockade the British Isles, thereby forcing the British out of the war. It was a fight which nearly choked the shipping lanes of Great Britain, cutting off vital supplies of food, fuel and raw materials needed to continue fighting.
By the end of the war, German U-Boats in the Battle of the Atlantic had sent over 2,900 ships and 14 million tons of Allied shipping to the bottom of the sea. In exchange, the Allies sank almost 800 U-Boats and over 30,000 of the 39,000 German sailors who put to sea, never returned – the highest casualty rate of any armed service in the history of modern war.
Winston Churchill, the then Prime Minister of Britain was most noted in his speech summarizing the German U-boats and the Battle of the Atlantic as "The only thing that ever really frightened me during the war was the U-boat peril".
In 1942 the balance tilted once again in favour of the Germans. New submarines were entering service quickly, at a rate of 20 per month. Although the US Navy entered the war at the end of 1941, it was unable to prevent the sinking of almost 500 ships between January and June 1942. Allied losses in the Atlantic reached their peak in 1942. As 1,664 ships were sunk, supplies of petrol and food to Britain reached critically low levels.
Fucking degenerates.
>>68816271
Croatia was part of the winners in that war, Germany wasn't
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Kharkov
wew lad i am fully erect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4CLfL-YkRs
>>68806310
Depends on whether there's still Lend-Lease or not. Without the aid coming it they wouldn't have been able to use the scorched earth tactics they did and move everything to the east. Once their industry had been destroyed they wouldn't have been able to put up much of a fight.
>>68821101
Tбх Zhukov went full retard near the end of the war and should have been purged for inflicting unnesessary manpower losses to the Red Army.
>smart enough to genocide hostile ethnic groups AFTER the war is over in order to avoid wasting resources
>AFTER the war is over
>implying we needed the war to be over
Top kek m8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Lentil_(Caucasus)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars
>>68821925
>true but they never gassed anyone, and 6million figure was litteraly used by jews the past 200 years for every tragedy.
Actually they did, there was a huge Jewish population in Germany and a even Bigger one in Poland,
At first they would send them to work camps or just simply slaughter them in their villages,
then once the war got serious they needed the labor but not every Jew could work so what do you think they did with the Jews who couldn't work? Let them go?
I dont think so they killed them and they obviously they thought that gas was the most effective means of doing so, complete savagery but also completely believable that millions of Jews died
>>68818678
Even if the nazis conquered moscow, it's not for certain that the soviet union would surrender. How would Nazi Germany even get past the Urals?
>>68823032
>get 100% of soviet economy
>need to get past urals
>top kek
>>68815142
> England and America cut off trading to Germany.
Bullshit argument. Germany declared war on basically every major nation except Japan and Italy. The world is supposed to keep trading with them though?
What are you even saying?
>>68822989
yeah there were 500k jews in germany and they got nearly 400k out of the country before the war started. around 200k through the havaara agreement and nearly another 200k fled. So were are coming alle this 6 million from? Poland was said to have around 1.5-2 million.
>>68822827
I wonder how many world war 2's Jews can withstand, I am ready for extinction till victory.
>>68822926
What do the Russians think about the Nazis? Do Russians think they could've won in a one on one war?
>>68823163
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED. THIS HAPPENED IN 1933 THERE WAS NO WAR. god dammit do you people even know anything? The economic war started 3 weeks after hitler/NSDAP was elected. pic related is said declaration of war and the economy boycott followed.
>>68820965
I could go on for days and days about why the Soviet Union won, but I tried to be as simple as possible. So are you. By basically saying Nazi Germany could take over a country of ~180 million people, over twice its population size and maybe fifteen or twenty times its landmass, just because of some really good generals who Hitler didn't listen to. That's an oversimplification and I don't think you know your history that well, either.
>>68821337
That's some pretty impressive stats Hans, but it's pretty much like saying war is won by the soldiers with the most kills. It's not.
>>68823140
Wasn't the soviet unions heavy industry behind the urals or something ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Battle_of_Kharkov
victory or death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnBZ4UToLwQ
>>68806445
/thread
Italy pretty much did all of the military fighting, Germany didn't even do much besides kill innocents
>>68824005
Fascism will rise all over the world and its ashes will be the old world.
>>68823356
What is this article supposed to prove? I doubt the validity of it, for one.
>>68823140
>Not knowing that most of USSR's industry was evacuated to Siberia and Central Asia in 1941
>>68823195
The Nazis might have not killed exactly six million Jews but there is no doubt that the Nazis did kill Millions of Jews maybe 2 million or 3 million, killing Jews was a big part of their ideology
>>68824661
>le magical moving industry
>ya soviet citizens everything will be fine if moscow falls
>>68822808
pretty sure Churchill said the UK was about a week away from complete capitulation because of kraut subs and bombings.
>>68824848
No it wasn't, deporting and sacking jews who did usury and other passive income, yes.
>>68824968
USA needs to be destroyed.
>>68815066
sure, believe what you want to believe in your fairy land
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk
>>68824848
> killing Jews was a big part of their ideology
god dammit you people.
>havaara agreement
>evian conference
>madagascar
why are people on /pol/ still thinking that there was a deliberate plan for extermination? since today, such plan was never found.
>>68825016
We need to lower our elites level by giving all our money to negroes and making negroes the top of the pyramid, the negroes will move on to rich neighborhoods and leave the vast majority of whites in peace.
>>68824005
>Italy pretty much did all of the military fighting
>Italy
>fighting
they could hardly beat greece.
>>68806887
>in the end it was the harsh Russian winter which did the most damage to the Nazis'
No, it was doing vainglorious shit like wanting to tear down Stalin's namesake city, having a supply chain ran by horse-drawn carts, and letting Panzer groups get out of sync that did the most damage on the Eastern Front. That's why the USSR was screaming for a second front in Western Europe to distract the Nazis: because they were losing.
If Hitler had just read his fucking Clausewitz things may have been different.
>>68825066
filthy bolshevik.
>>68824848
the nazis just wanted to push the Jews somewhere else.
most notably, Madagascar.
>>68825167
all the money of the poor and middle class belongs to the negroes because of slavery, every single negro in the u.s should be a millionaire.
>>68825066
should have piles of dead soviets for accuracy.
>>68825199
italy fucked the war for the nazis, they couldn't fight. If you read historical accounts of that time everyone say's that the Italians couldn't aim and were shit overall as soldiers.
>>68825242
>triggered nazi cuck
>>68825672
filthy bolshevik
>>68807995
>There was never enough ammo,
>there was never enough food,
>there was never enough anything
>even fucking improvised bombs and combat arms nothing was ever in stock.
Communism in a nutshell.
>>68810135
>DA
>>68825730
>kawaii :>
>>68825672
Dad pls stop being a dumbass commie
>>68815417
And how would the tanks reach those oil fields without the romanian oil?
>>68826695
germany was able to produce synthetic oil from coal. That helped them a lot even without having oilfield of their own (already covered in the thread somewhere).
I did a 13 page report on the eastern front of WW2, and it's pretty clear the nazis would had won
Within the first week of war, 90 percent of the soveit union's mechanized forces (cars, tanks, planes, ships, etc) were wiped out. Within the first week. That's fucking crazy.
>>68811777
wrong, if you look germans still had considerable victories in the winter. what really did it was the 6th army getting encircled and fucked in stalingrad. That's what did it, losing your centre front
>>68826660
we are turning into commies now.
we failed as world superpower so now we are going to rule to world with ideology.
bless self-management
bless no leaders
bless no gods
>>68816920
>Russia was fucked if it hadn't been for the US supplying literally everything for them after 1942
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>68822206
>being this fucking autistic
>not realizing americans attacked german ships without declaration of war
>literally hitler explains this in his declaration
how much is soros paying you kike?
>>68827212
nigga just go anarchist
>>68818036
The soviets kept a prehentive army of more then 1 million soldiers in Siberia
>>68806310
Logistics made it impossible for Germans to even have a glimmer of hope of winning. At no time were even close of winning the war, and with every day Soviet juggernaut was growing in strength, while the Axis war machine was declining.
>>68827430
>logisitcs impossible
>literally destroying soviets
>>68825144
>>68825374
Yeah the wonderful Nazis totally wanted to deport all the nice Jews to the beautiful and magical Island of Madagascar LOL
Germany would likely win, until Hitler decides to intervene in military planning despite being a dumbfuck when it came to battlefield tactics.
>>68827590
correct, the noble and Aryan Germans did not murder innocents.
>>68818193
>amazing KD ratios
War is COD now. And the kill death ration is not that much different
http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/1239/what-was-the-ratio-of-german-to-soviet-losses-on-eastern-front-during-different
Ratio was 1 to 1 by 43
![307601_499261106763538_1024574500_n[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/coE3Ebm.jpg "307601_499261106763538_1024574500_n[1].jpg")
>>68827289
i am an anarchist.
there's no etymological difference with communism and anarchism: a society with no bosses based on self-managed communities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sfBevgGiPk
>>68827551
>troops in Army Group Center literally getting no munition supplies for weeks because Germans didn't have trains capable of transporting supplies through Russia
>every 100km further into Russia supply chain getting weaker and weaker
>literally lost the war
>>68827213
he is correct, see numbers in the thread. do you even read anything or just shitposting? soviets without lend lease = cucked.
>>68827237
he says the truth. the US ships in the atlantic had a shoot on sight order for german ship/submarines even before 1941.
>>68827430
>At no time were even close of winning the war
with the US in the picture true, they would have never done shit to them (maybe with the development of intercontinental rockets within 1-2 years). But they nearly bled britain dry (support ships sunk), were at the gates of moscow and owned basically europe except spain and italy. They didn´t even take france´s colonies which they could have done though defeating french mainland.
>>68827430
what the fuck are talking about?
the soviets had fuck all in the way of logistics. the Germans kept their troops well stocked on ammo and supplies, the red army was on the verge of starvation even WITH the constant flow of supplies from Britain and america.
the soviet union was a logistical nightmare and they only pushed back the Germans because the Germans had to keep sending troops and supplies to prepare for a British invasion, fight the British air force, and clean up Italy's messes in Africa and the Balkans.
>>68827885
wait who's leading that and why are they moving together?
>>68827590
with google you could just look up the stuff I posted... it´s all true.
