Is Militant Atheism the only long term way to defeat Islamic terrorism?
>>68408505
>Militantly not believing in something
Grow up
>>68408890
that's not what militant atheism is, it's the avocation of disbelief for others. People become militant atheists because they believe the world would be better with less people believing irrational things since nonsensical beliefs make people easier to manipulate
>>68409320
So teach critical thinking. This is not a skill that is bound to any belief system.
Trying to convince fanatics that their God doesn't exist would probably just make their faith stronger.
>>68408505
Actually what would have more success is a religion that opposes Islam. Any Muslim who interprets the Quaran a certain way can become a bad guy because the "divine law" of the Quaran contradicts modern law.
>>68410770
You mean Christianity?
>>68408505
>militant atheism
So basically killing people who believe in something? As a a follower of Atheism, why don't you start by killing yourself then?
>>68410225
>So teach critical thinking. This is not a skill that is bound to any belief system.
How can that be true when religious faith is the complete suspension of critical thinking in favor of blind acceptance? that's literally what faith is, believing something that cannot be proven no matter what
>>68410899
no, that's not what militant atheism is at all.
>>68408505
Is Militant Atheism the only long term way to defeat Islamic terrorism?
Meh, I think dropping the bomb on Ramadan would smarten the sand-people up quicker.
>>68410887
OK name a Christian organization that is effective at removing terrorist kebab.
>>68408505
^ Beats chin rubbing atheism ^
>>68408505
>>68411274
you can't destroy an ideology with violence. anyone left over just has more power to demonize you.
>>68408505
No, I think most of humanity still needs religion in the foreseeable future. I don't think most people can handle the reality until we have the technology for extending human lifespans.
The real killer to this Islamic crap is education.
>>68408505
the only way to defeat it is for china to send in 300 Million Ground troops and kill everything and burn everything Islamic
or Nuke everything besides the Non Muslim regions
THE ONLY FUCKING WAY
>>68410957
You think that most educated religious people don't understand they're taking a leap of faith? As you say, it's faith - the same faith most atheists have in random stuff like their football team winning the next game or that their friends will have their backs.
Islamic terrorists don't just have faith they think they know the one and only truth. Religious people with critical thinking skills don't go that far.
>>68411935
>I don't think most people can handle the reality
isn't most of the UK Athiest? why wouldn't people be able to handle it? Don't you think people would start acting better if they didn't have an immortal soul to fall back on?
>>68408505
Yes
>>68412211
that doesn't make a lot of sense. you basically just called into question the faith of everyone who isn't an Islamic Terrorist for no reason and proved nothing
>>68408505
We need to effectively counter-brainwash young muslims through education and laws limiting the power of religious organisations.
Takle away their tax exemption, force them to preach in the language of the country they're in and not Arabic. Force them to reform through lawsuits that would otheriwse convict them of being sexist/racist/homophobic criminal organisations. Don't allow them to import wahabist imams from Saudi-Arabia or ones trained there.
Don't allow their children to have "islam" religious education in schools, but make ALL children follow a general, compulsory subject that handles all religions and philosophies through a secular humanist lens.
You target their progeny, actively turn them into westerners, actively make them despise their own heritage.
>>68410887
What you need more is to add a rule to Christianity. Those who by their teachings oppose you leave not in peace or war shall be for all eternity.
>>68411880
Not if you kill them all.
>>68408890
>This irony
>>68408505
Atheism is a vacuum. Nature abhors a vacuum and like it or not man is part of nature. Humanity wants direction and meaning in their life. It wants a purpose. It is no surprise with the decline of religiosity in the west that we've seen a rise in substitutes. Environmentalism, veganism, feminism, and general sjwism are all substitutes to give people meaning in there lives.
Now I'm not saying any concern for these issues is a substitute, but when these issues become "the greatest issue of our time" or existential in nature they fill that void that religion used to occupy.
Islam can also fill that void.
So no, I don't think that militant atheism is a good defense against Islamization.
militant buddhism is the answer
dispassion
honor
self-control
>>68408505
M8, another wave of crusades is the answer.
>>68412621
You seem to think an atheist society is preferable to a religious one. What I want is a society where people are taught how to think critically, and people are free to believe what they want for spiritual reasons. Makes little sense to me to use militant atheism to better society.
>>68412949
>Tips fedora
>>68412883
how can you kill them all?
I'm talking about the long term here. You can't kill an ideology. Look at Nazism, there are places that have straight up outlawed that shit and they still have it going on. All it takes is for some nutty people to read their bullshit online someplace and decide they need to start bombing shit.
>>68412306
>Don't you think people would start acting better if they didn't have an immortal soul to fall back on?
As a matter of fact, no. I see most people acting worse if the threat of eternal damnation doesn't loom over their heads.
>>68412306
Pretty sure the last time I checked the Pew Poll on this matter the majority of UK citizens held some sort of belief. I could be wrong though.
> Don't you think people would start acting better if they didn't have an immortal soul to fall back on?
Completely agree with you but I see it more as religion as a coping mechanism and something likely instilled by evolution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqAwfv3HYGo
>>68413150
>christianity
>forgive and love thy muslim neighbour even if he molests your daughter
Ideology will do more for us than religion in this fight.
>>68413056
You are saying atheism lacks spiritualism and ritualism which humans need?
I disagree. Those are not mutually exclusive. The problem is the lack of a societal framework for it. Atheist/humanist organisations generally don't have the political, economical, or societal power major religious institutions have.
That needs to be remedied. But by their very anture as sceptics, and contrary to believers who follow dogma, it's very hard to "unite" atheists and get them to agree on anything.
>>68408505
Hell no. Militant atheism is nonsensical because in the end nothing links atheists beside their lack of belief in gods. As a atheist i have way more in common with right-wing christians than with leftist atheists.
>>68408505
You cannot defeat one perverse version of hope and replace it with nothingness
>>68410225
>So teach critical thinking. This is not a skill that is bound to any belief system
That's not a skill associated with ANY belief system
>>68413056
Most of nature is a vacuum. Stop regurgitating mindless platitudes.
In fact, more then 99.999% of our universe is a vacuum.
>>68413820
Rare flag!
>>68408505
The problem is atheists are not nearly as unified or numerous as the religious. You need a brand of religion that fights against Islamic terrorism or Islam. You can't win against people who reproduce more often, are more numerous, are more unified and willing to do that which you find irrational to further their goals. Albert Einstein once said "The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has it's limits". I believe this applies very much to this situation if interpreted a certain way as atheists tend to have higher IQs they are limited by what they are willing to do to further their goals. What leads to pain can sometimes be the right thing to do.
>>68413056
>Nature abhors a vacuum
I thought we didn't use this meme anymore.
Nature doesn't abhor vacuum, it tries to make as perfect one as possible. The only thing that keeps the atmosphere from exploding into space is gravity, and it's not even very good at it.
>>68413056
>Atheism is a vacuum.
this is not true at all. You are making your entire argument based on applying laws of matter to ideological conflicts. That's pants on shit retarded.
You might as well say, Islam is water. Water always freezes at 30 below, so we need to build a giant refrigerator.
>>68408505
yes!
muzzies btfo
>>68413820
Yes, that is what I typed, sup mr Man?
>>68413575
Organising atheists is like herding cats. We don't agree on anything and in the end and land on all sides of political spectrum. Even being a sceptic is not something that is required to an atheist, just look at all those dipshits promoting ancient aliens, homeopathy and other nonsense.
>>68409320
>they believe the world would be better with less people believing irrational things
>is itself an irrational belief
Jesus Christ is the only way and the only Truth. He is the Light of the world.
>>68413997
>>68414376
Touche. China gives me hope for this world ironically.
>>68414362
science is so shut it queer
but would i help you to kick the fuck out of muslims? m8 i would get a boner over that shit sign me the fuck up!
>>68414551
You seem upset.
>>68414348
you are ignoring the rest of that sentence that is a rational (one of many) for that belief you colossal retard.
>>68414362
Yes that's why his "prefect religion" is set to be replaced by Islam. It's the one that was trying to conquer the world in the first place that actually conquers the world. You should have gone with polygamy there would be more of you.
>>68414534
China are our last hope since the fall of the USSR
>>68411332
The crusade armies where not build in one day
>>68414362
>implying Stalin and Mao aren't the only way and marxism-leninsm isn't the only Truth
>>68414730
Sounds like you're taking a leap of faith there
see >>68414376
Yes they surely are difficult to manipulate
>>68408505
You wanna go to war equipped with razor-tipped fedora drones and katanas fueled by autism or something?
>>68414837
>>68415056
You do realize that Christianity is rising fast in China?
>>68414837
Not because they are a communist society but because they are a more rational society. They do more things right than wrong.
>>68413500
This meme again you have to see chritfags as jedi's
>>68415153
There are dumb people everywhere, atheism is still dominating in China
>>68408505
I think the only two ways to fix the issue is either kill the fuck out of them or give them lots of money to improve quality of life.
The first would require a will of iron and a dedication to at least 10+ mission.
The second would require lots of intervention and money and dedication to a 20+ year plan.
neither will happen.
>>68414999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
They still fucked you up more overall. It took you hundreds of years to react.
>>68413480
You don't really need to kill them all, Islam is a faith based on bloodshed, Mohammed went from one tow the the next in a conquest. The other sand-nigger figured Mohammed's god can beat their god up so they signed on. Those cavemen need to be shown exactly who they are fucking with. Japan balked after Hiroshima & Nagasaki... There was a hot night in Dresden that took care of the local Nazis. ... You think this guy still has fond feelings for Yamamoto?
>>68415057
>Sounds like you're taking a leap of faith there
a leap that isn't any bigger than the one everyone accepts when they try to communicate with each other about a presumed but unverifiable external objective reality they inhabit. It's only comparable to religious faith if you are a complete dildo brained cunt. You could make the same fucking argument you are making about literally, and I mean literally, anything, and be correct. The reason it's retarded to do so is because it's just completely pedantic and irrelevant symantics.
Go fuck yourself.
>>68415449
You idolize Moaist China as a good fix and replacement for murderous Islamist without any thought and you call Christians dumb for existing.
You ever think that maybe the Christians in China are thriving because despite the government being against them, God is with them and giving them support? Just a thought.
>>68408505
Atheism is an enervating cancer that makes a happy home for fanaticism
>>68408505
Are you dumb? We have Atheism everywhere in the west already. The only atheism that could go militant is a psycho version.
>>68408505
Fuck no, atheism is partially responsible for getting us into this mess in the first place. When the West lost it's religion, the East didn't, so we have groups like Isis born out of an irreligious apathy to terrorism. People need to believe in something, be it Christ or Odin or any other European set of beliefs, we just need a unifying system of faith to take down the Islamic menace, and "le milident adiesm dank maymay" isn't it.
>>68408505
>Militant atheism
>>68412785
They are going to become even more fanatical if you do these things.
>>68415812
That is a lot of vitriol.
>>68415887
>God is with them and giving them support?
Kek
>>68415887
chinese government is formally against it but allows them to have churches without crosses on the outside. They also like it that there are more christians since christians tend to care for eachother more which is what they need if they start getting more old people.
Apart from that christianity only grows fast because there are a shitload of chinese people. Of every 1000 chinese people only one needs to be converted and you already have massive numbers that eclipse pretty much everything the west can claim
>>68408505
drop bombs on mecca and medina
>>68415812
You seem upset. Try and understand that religous people can be completely rational and atheists irrational. The answer is proper education and sharpened minds, not trying to spread atheism.
>>68408505
>2016
>not understanding how religion is a tool of monarchy
>literally has nothing to do with god, just royalty owning you
>>68416125
Yes, but by Rule of Law if we implement this system we would be actually able to quickly trace, convict and incarcerate fanatics.
>>68416186
There are huge underground networks on Christians in China precisely because they aren't even allowed to mention God in most of the officially mandated Churches.
Their numbers continue to grow and they will continue grow just as good as they did in the western world because it gives real hope to people who are otherwise hopeless and destitute.
>>68416325
Name one successful atheistic superpower.
>>68415561
Giving them money is like giving an angry baboon food & shelter, wasting resources keeping it alive so it can rip your arm off one day.
On the other hand - We've already got the nuclear arsenal to cleanse the world of the shitskins. The money is already spent, we just need to pull the trigger.
>>68416326
Your basically going to become a tyranny to defeat Islam? Is there another way?
There is no such thing as Islamic Terrorism
There is only Islam.
All of this violence, all of this bloodshed, all of it is approved by Mohammed in his instruction manual for conquest, known as the Koran.
This is not 'terrorism', this is Islamic fighters commencing hostilities against a region which they intend to conquer and convert. This is how they do war.
Murder, kidnapping, extortion, slavery and banditry is how Mohammed built his empire. It is how the Caliphs ran their empire. It is how Islamists today seek to build their new empire.
Stop calling it terrorism. Call it Islam, because there is nothing more Islamic than wanton butchery of non-muslims.
>>68416111
>European religions cites Xanity. LOL
No as an Atheist my self. I despise Muslims. Look up my religion: The Creativity Movement.
>>68408505
Of course not, you can be strongly anti-Muslim without being anti-theist. See Catholic Poland.
Matter of fact, most terrorists were not particularly devote Muslims before they went full retard, generally they were drinking and fucking like normal people. More devout Muslims don't have any reason to seek out death cult preachers so they don't fall in with a shit crowd.
This goes for the West only though, in the Middle East you just have to kill or convert them.
>>68416455
Become Christian. All other answers will be unsatisfactory.
>>68416498
Give this man a prize.
>>68416455
It's not tyranny if it's the will of the majority.
What is effectively happening now is a minority holding a majority hostage.
Let democracy speak I say.
>>68408505
It's only natural that the more educated a person is, that he or she would turn away from what are obviously falsehoods.
>>68408505
Militant Christianity was doing pretty well until you fags cucked Europe.
>>68416428
CHYNA
>>68416498
Hello there Taliban
>>68416573
You really seem to despise Christ.
>"militant atheism"
Can't people stop mixing up atheism and anti theism
>>68416797
Democracy is also protecting minorities, not a simple tyranny of the majority. The way we set it up at least.
>>68416675
Europe was already Christian. What happened?
>>68416317
so you think it's more practical to make everyone smarter and 'rational' than it is to just convince people to not believe in something supernatural that justifies killing people?
>>68416428
China
>>68416498
This. Their ideal man was a warlord.
>>68416914
hi2u kafir
>>68417070
WW2 and Marxism which has already gone through its coarse showing its ugly fruits. Its time to return to what made the Western World Great in the first place. Christianity.
>>68416573
>finds the most obscure special snowflake religion he can
>tells people to look it up so he'll feel unique
Nice autism. Anyway, I think a centuries old religion will do a better job of uniting the west than some cult a guy came up with.
![flag_of_the_knights_templar__several_resolutions__by_jpviktorjokinen-d5pgsdj[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qG2kaQH.jpg "flag_of_the_knights_templar__several_resolutions__by_jpviktorjokinen-d5pgsdj[1].jpg")
No. Militant Catholicism is.
>>68417046
A shield which they have chosen to use as a sword instead.
They have forfeited their rights to protection.
Multiculturalism has failed. What is a culture, anyway? If only it were limited to cuisine and dress and architecture. But no, morality and values are involved. And then you're not speaking of a clash of cultures, but a clash of civilisations.
And while there can be many cultures, there can be only one civilisation.
GODDAMNIT FAGGOTS ITS FUCKING ANTITHEISM
ATHEISTS DONT BELIEVE IN SHIT
>>68417295
Hello US consular or Armed Service member.
>>68416835
>>68417108
The original atheistic Communist political system failed horribly, with tens of millions of deaths, and now the country loses that aspect over time and begins to develop into one of the world's MOST religious countries, so try again.
>>68417507
When Abdul rapes your wife and castrates you you'll have nothing to complain about, since there's no objective morality.
>>68417108
>>68416835
China's becoming Christian in a hurry lads.
>>68417739
>the "le atheism is sociopathy" meme
Utilitarianism, my faggot
>>68417103
Yes. You go ahead and attempt talking fanatics out of their beliefs. Kill/imprison the violent ones and let the others be, focus on creating stability in the region, not fucking shit up with regime changes, and invest in proper education systems.
Look at how the region was developing (ok maybe not Afghanistan) before all this geopolitical bullshit.
>>68411450
but muh oils
>>68417739
Exactly why stealing from them is fine.
>Militant Atheism
pretty sure the Christians have better experience when it comes to kebab removal.
>>68410225
they're like fucking Terminators, you can't reason with them.
>>68417493
Well I'd agree that if you have a civilization that values tolerance and freedom, you can't have a significant group of intolerant people who hate the way of life of the majority.
You'd have to keep them very small.
>>68410887
More like Judaism :^)
>>68412785
>counter-brainwash young muslims
> force them to preach in the language
>Force them to reform through lawsuits that would otheriwse convict them of being sexist/racist/homophobic criminal organisations
How about just get rid of them and then none of this needs to be worried about.
>>68417934
Utilitarian value assessments are subjective. Ever heard of a "utility monster"? Cuz that's what Mahmed could be while six inches in your asshole.
>>68417103
Many of these people are indoctrinated from birth. It's like trying to contradict the most trusted people in someones life. Religion will only grow because they believe in reproducing the most. Religion is one the oldest surviving thing in human culture. The people who teach you right from wrong teach it to you.
>>68418055
And raping and murdering you is also fine. Lovely.
>>68408505
The only counter to Islam is good ol' fashion Deus Vult, we just need Francis to die so a better pope can take his place and egg on crusaders
>>68408505
Nukes are.
>>68417108
Imagine if they set off bombs in China. China would completely wreck their shit because they don't care about being PC.
>>68408505
It was Atheism trying to conquer the middle east in the first place that lead to modern day terrorism. If the USSR had never invaded Afghanistan than AQ would have never existed and there would be zero reason for the USA to set up so many military bases in the middle east. Thanks a lot faggots.
>>68417853
This meme is funny
>>68416498
There is an interpretative element to religion.
The most virulent interpretation right now is hardcore conservative Islam which is promoted by Saudi Arabia and other Islamist entities.
You people don't get that by saying that ISIS or the Saudis' interpretation is true Islam, or terrorism = Islam you are helping the enemy. Never mind the fact that there are widely different sentiments about terrorism against civilians (mostly not in favor). Just read the pew polls before you dumb everything down into a twitter hash tag or meme.
>>68408505
>Militant
you fucked up
>>68418426
They have a really through secret service, loads of men on street level, no NSA spy shit, just rough dudes. In the west of china you have loads of people that want to break with china but most attacks get found out by the secret police and the people who try shit get fucked up bad
>>68408505
Christianity is the answer.
>>68418426
That's what is great with China, they just don't care about SJWs and PC
>>68418253
I can only only assume that's a typical atheist response. You could try rule of law. Or societies justices. I see the society you would live in though. So well done enlightened one.
>>68418627
>through
thorough*
>>68409320
>People become militant atheists because they believe the world would be better with less people believing irrational things since nonsensical beliefs make people easier to manipulate
Except it was the atheist USSR and China that had the most manipulative people in the history of mankind. Even Muslims are better than atheist. After all, just look at how easily you are manipulated.
>>68408505
Lol, you can't even reproduce. Everywhere you go, is followed by mass cuckening and Liberal immigrant policy.
They'd kill you, they'd swarm you. Christians may bash you ideologically, but they'd bash your head.
You beat Militant religious beliefs with Militant Nationlism.
>>68418447
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html
>>68418694
Law is words on paper enforced by people who choose to enforce them. That's what the vast majority of practicing legalists believe in the West - look up 'legal positivism'.
And it's not what *I* believe, it's what degenerate atheists *necessarily* believe - when there's no objective morality, anything goes. Stay cucked.
>>68418223
>being a totalist utilitarian
It's better for both parties to gain no pain or pleasure than one to have pleasure at another one's expense
It's not that we want the greatest total happiness, but instead the least amount of suffering
>>68418654
This
The West needs to evangelize once again
>>68410899
>As a a follower of Atheism
>>68418654
Amen.
>>68408505
>Militant Atheism
it's like saying extreme neutrality
>>68417156
This is something that 99% of normies still have no idea about. Even the ones out here who make a living by helping NATO kill mudshits.
The ignorance about the actual purpose and background of Islam and Islamic states is astounding.
>>68408505
Honestly... yes. They hate atheists more than they hate Jews and Christians and all other religions combined.
>>68419146
Abdul experiences more suffering from you not being in pain than you experience suffering from his member being thrust repeatedly into your gaping asshole. So no; that's not the case.
>>68418965
>most Christian nation
>5% of the population in Christian
>>68418447
It isn't a meme.
Also the Amish in the USA are the ones breeding like rabbits and other Christians as well. With the generation of people who have dedicated their lives to themselves and not family or God have no children at all.
Christianity is reviving.
>>68419569
>becoming
>grow to be; develop into.
>>68418485
There should be ZERO in favor, you sickeningly servile fuckboy.
The very point is that Islam is easy to use as a justification, because its founder was an unrepentant genocidal, rapacious warlord.
>>68408505
kek. Atheists are literally worthless, look at all the fighting that faggot Dawkins has done. Being snarky on twitter, that'll fucking show them.
No, killing them will show them. A hundred years ago the English would have risen up and smashed these invaders without being told, now they're a bunch of atheist cucks who only care about their curry and their shitty television.
>>68419569
Read the article frogman, it is about absolute numbers in 2030
>>68419396
Why doesn't Abdul just jerk off?
Atheist here. I think we should all form an alliance of hatred and rid the world of the Islamic plague together.
>>68419081
Oh you're a trip fag. I am not going to waste my time with you, lel bi polar atheist king,
>>68419721
This. Atheist won't risk their lives for anything. Their lives have no rock or foundation.
>>68419824
Haram
>>68419824
Because he takes more pleasure from raping you, obviously.
If you're an atheist you have no ground to stand on when it comes to ethics. You're in relativism-land necessarily, which might as well be nowhere.
>>68419918
I'm a zealot Christian, but you can go praise your goat-fucking prophet elsewhere Mohammad.
>>68408505
Crusades are the only effective solution
No.
Only Christianity can stop Islam.
Western Europe is moving towards militant atheism.
And it is extremely obvious the west as we know it WILL be taken over but mostly convert and blend in with Islam.
Precisely because any major religion will easily overtake a godlessness society. Even Islam can and will do it.
USA will move towards full blown (Zionist) Christian Theocracy.
Russia and eastern europe will move towards Christian-oriented establishments with some democratic elements.
China will adopt Christianity.
>>68410225
>belief system
Atheism is not a belief system, my minty-fresh friend. It's a lack thereof.
But to the topic, it's not that Atheism can suddenly change minds against 1000 years of history, the Islamic faith itself must be reformed so that it is compatible with our modern developed world.
These guys are trying to do just that: https://youtu.be/sXAP1VWziwI
>>68419941
>Atheist won't risk their lives for anything.
They were risking their life in Korea and Vietnam, just saying
>>68419983
You have bested me.
>>68420566
Isn't relativism delightful?
>>68408505
Whiny low-level asperger faggots can't defeat Islam.
>>68419918
Oh but of course someones choice of putting a unique name to themselves has bearing on what their putting into text.
I was almost forced to accept your points are superior but I noticed you want to be unique.
>>68420521
What makes you think they believed in nothing?
>>68420500
>Atheism is not a belief system, my minty-fresh friend. It's a lack thereof.
I was refering to all belief systems, not to atheism.
>>68419983
>If you're an atheist you have no ground to stand on when it comes to ethics
>implying believing in your imaginary sky-daddy provides ethic
>pic very related
>>68420684
They believed in humanity and in their country
don't get me wrong.
I consider myself an Atheist but a bunch of autists fapping over Richard Dawkins isn't going to achieve jackshit.
The Serbs were fucking right to shoot kebabs on sight.
Besides being forced to go to church on Sunday is a small price to pay if the alternative is getting your hand chopped off over theft.
>>68408505
CAN'T EVEN QUESTION THEIR MASTER THE JEWS AND WANT TO DEFEAT MUSLIMS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
FOR ATHEIST ALL IS BAD EXCEPT JUDAISM FOR "SOME STRANGE REASON"
>>68420155
>any major religion will easily overtake a godlessness society
Utterly wrong, everywhere that has seen modern education and economic development has seen a shrinking in the relevance of religious institutions. Religions used to provide many social services (taxtation, health, education, charity) but that role has been diminished by modern secular organisations.
The real issue is with atheist or agnostic people assuming that the religious, in particular muslims "don't really believe it" or take the warm'n'fuzzy post-modern approach that christianity has in recent decades.
This is wrong. The vast majority of muslims take their faith very seriously, and do sincerely believe. When you have a scriptural doctrine of martyrdom, this becomes very dangerous.
>>68420812
It necessarily does. If God, then God created everything with a purpose. Those creations are bound to judgment based on that purpose as a necessary quality of their existence if they have anything like a will by which their actions aren't mechanistic. An objective establishment of right and wrong, which no one can escape.
![article-2729055-20A3D27200000578-688_634x582[3].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uH21jTu.jpg "article-2729055-20A3D27200000578-688_634x582[3].jpg")
>>68420155
>Only Christianity can stop Islam.
>The religion pushing for more immigrants, an organization that hide immigrants from the authorities and literary set up summer camps for white Christian females and immigrant boys are the savour against Islam
Are you fucking retarded or have you completely missed that most immigrants have been welcomed to a country controlled by a fucking conservative Christian.
Only liberalism can save Europe because liberalism is the only ideology "degenerate" enough to penetrate any social institution and corrode it from the inside. Pick fucking related.
>>68420812
>implying religion is just a belief in a sky daddy
Yep they have a bible hundreds of pages long and it says "believe in the sky daddy" over and over again.
>Fighting something with nothing
lol
>>68411707
That's a big sword.
>>68418251
>The people who teach you right from wrong teach it to you.
And that's why we need laws protecting children from religious indoctrination by their parents.
Register it as child abuse and remove their chidlren from them.
>>68408505
If you are an Atheist, where do you get your morals from?
>>68419983
>You're in relativism-land
Some people might, but using modern science we can determine what is moral or ethical based on how it affects the well-being of our fellow humans.
So for example, how some religions wants to cut up the genitals of children (circumcision) is painful and traumatic for the child and serves no good purpose, so therefore we can determine that we should not do that.
This book expounds on this: http://www.amazon.com/The-Moral-Landscape-Science-Determine/dp/143917122X
>>68421246
What is Poland? The key difference is that Catholicism is the saviour. Not simply "Christianity".
>>68408505
>Militant Atheism
Is retarded. I'm an atheist but rabidly stating my expressed lack of belief in something is completely fucking retarded.
What is needed is militant counter-extremism.
>>68421708
Philosophy, ethic and science.
>>68419983
That's because atheism doesn't come by itself, it's joined by humanism, which does have a morality component.
>>68411880
We did it to the Nazis. Had to practically destroy Dresden, but we did it.
>>68409320
Atheists are PRETTY easy to manipulate, as they have no agenda you only need to act like an atheist even if you are the maximum believer and lie. (as Marx)... they have no future because they have no agenda, atheism was promoted by us the jews to weaken the human values and convert the people in selfish with no support of others, while us, the jews we are like 1 person jews have the same agenda AND MANY DIFFERENT NAMES.... i can be left wing today, tomorrow right wing WHO CARES, THE GOAL IS ISRAEL. And you atheists have many differents goals, several ideologies, you are segregated, you fight against yourself but look the jews, we are the same, we have 1 only goal.
>>68421708
I decide for myself. It also immunizes me against liberal propaganda.
>>68408505
>>>68396839
Atheism is degenerate.
>>68421816
Which comes down to the same thing, as all religion is extremist by nature.
Ask a "moderate" muslim about any Quran passage which by any western moral standard is horrid, like the rules for selling your daughter into slavery.
Ask him if he agrees or disagrees with the passage. He wll never give you a straight answer.
>>68421748
>science is capable of informing morality
Sometimes it's difficult for me to accept there are people who unironically believe this.
It may be "painful and traumatic" to mutilate someone, but it also might be more delightful to those who perpetrate it than it is "painful and traumatic" to be mutilated. In fact, it might be *more* "painful and traumatic" for people who *don't* mutilate others that it would be morally absolutely wrong as a utility calculation to *not* perform the act.
>>68421996
You are so right mexico. Take your orders from a man in Italy.
>>68421708
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism
>>68421835
Humanism is an objective morality? Really? What makes it objective?
>>68422039
that's why atheists have no future... too many ideologies, too many agendas (even personal agendas)... you are fucked... look at jews they are like 1 person with only 1 goal, IS THE MOST ORGANIZATED GROUP ON EARTH. And you atheists... you can destroy each other because you have pretty differents ideals, you don't believe in union you are like lonely wolfs...
>>68421624
If you do that in your country religious people will move elsewhere and your birth rates shall decline as people will prefer to serve themselves than take on the burden of a child. Basically there is no escaping religion because a religious nation would conquer you with more people.
>>68421313
The whole ethic part of a religion is based on the belief of a magical sky-daddy who judges you. We were talking about ethic, not about the whole religion
>>68422281
>objective morality
>implying God is an objective morality
Morality is always subjective
>>68408505
No.militant islam is the only way to defeat radical islam which is why the us should mind its own fucking business.oh shit too late.the dogs are sprung and into the fields.can we ressurect saddam?
>>68422300
we got rid of catholicism just this decade. You will catch up eventually Mexico.
Atheists respect and tolerate Muslims but chimp out when they see Christians.
Atheism's growing popularity is simply childish rebellion against the previous generation.
>>68422492
Morality established by God is necessarily objective.
see >>68421222
>>68422355
The bible is a book with many stories that determine Christian ethics. Though there is room for interpretation.
>>68422281
I never said it has an objective morality. Objective morality does not exist, all morality is subjective.
Humanism expounds a subjective, yet universal morality, mostly centered around the Golden Rule (Do / Do not do unto others etc.)
>>68422492
>Morality is always subjective
The interpretation of moral phenomenon are subjective.
The morality doesn't exist by itself but it doesn't mean it cannot be an object.
>>68422739
But as God does not exist, neither does objective morality. Hence any morality proclaimed to be objective is in fact subjective.
>>68413820
You know what's really funny?
The muslim looks like a man in drag.
>>68421474
for you
>>68421201
Personally i am convinced that in future, the role of Christiaity will make a huge comeback in the USA.
Like it did in Russia and eastern europe.
On the whole i believe organized religion will make a comeback and taken more seriously. Not just Christianity in Russia and USA. But we also see for example that over the years, Islam is being taken more and more seriously in the islamic countries, instead of an expected `allround decline` of organized religion.
Christianity in Europe is too far demolished to ever make a comeback. And now Islam is around the corner to take over that role. To deliver a human need.
>>68408505
>implying Islam doesn't die instantly in a society with even basic state support for a religion
You'd all roll over on your bellies, and let the Muslims invade. If you manage to escape them, don't be surprised when the Christians put you and the rest of the Muslims down like the dogs you are.
>>68410263
Most Christians understand at the very least, that it's not certain that their god exists, and it's just their belief.
Muslims are lost causes, they are completely brainwashed from birth
>>68422870
>all morality is subjective
No, it's not. God establishes objective morality.
You can't have subjective universal morality - for something to be universal it must be a necessary aspect of some thing or set of things. If there is no objective morality, then morality cannot be universal.
>>68423003
>God does not exist
You can pretend that's the case to your heart's content.
>>68422218
So are you defending muslims and their practice of female genital mutilation? Or Jews and the practice of circumcision for boys?
Are you saying that we must take the offenders feelings into account when making a morality judgement?
>>68421811
Poland is so shit their people is fleeing their country. You should know since there's a lot of people bitching about Polish people coming to the UK.
>>68413820
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>>68408505
No, because the spiritual vacuum created by atheism is what Islam is moving in to fill.
>>68423315
>Paki rapists coming in and raping your people is actually proof that your country is great!
>>68423182
There is no universal morality there is more than one religion in this world and there always will be.
>>68423303
I'm not defending anything. I'm saying atheists have no room to criticize, because they're necessarily moral relativists.
>>68422739
It's not objective, it's arbitrary.
>>68423182
Interpretation of what God is and wants leads to subjective morality then.
lol if you think you need religion to function you must be a special type of retarded.
>>68411332
The Russian military.
>>68423182
>God establishes objective morality
What like put people to death if they don't agree with your religion? Christianity doesn't do that anymore, but Islam still does.
>>68423425
There might be a universal morality, there may be more than one religion but that doesn't mean one of them isn't simply *correct*, and there won't necessarily always be, since humanity could very possibly be wiped out at some point.
>>68422782
Of course, but the base of the religious ethic is the belief that you have to do the things written in the book otherwise God will punish you
>>68413820
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>>68423585
There is no greater dysfunction than nihilism.
>>68423543
It's objective. It's a necessary quality of our existence. Something that is a necessary quality is an objective quality.
>>68411332
The catholic church here m8. You cant be a priest and not be a right radical at the Same time. People would destroy you.
>>68416815
no its not. being religious is more natural.
>>68423543
No, god IS the basis of objective morality due to being an omniscient being.
>>68423182
>for something to be universal it must be a necessary aspect of some thing or set of things
It is based on the commonality of human nature.
Naturally if you don't suppose there is a commonality in human anture humanism may not be for you.
Another thing: religious moralities often consist mainly of prohibitions, while humanism and forms of budhdism focus more on positive enforcement of doing good deeds and being tolerant.
>>68423554
No, it means people might be wrong in their interpretation - it does not mean that there's not one *true* interpretation that is objective.
>>68408505
>Is Militant Atheism the only long term way to defeat Islamic terrorism?
Suspending all welfare payments for three months would be more productive. Plus all the freeloading natives would get so pissed off they'd round up all the muslims just to get their bennies back.
There is no ideology that can defeat "Allah praises you for indulging your baser instincts on infidels". Starve it of money, beat it right back, out of the continent.
That's the fundamental difference between Islam and damn nearly every other religion ever: the others say God frowns on you if you indulge in violence, rape, larceny. For Islam, they are virtues when deployed against non-muslims/muslims of other sects.
This is not an ideological war. They want to gang rape and blow stuff up more than we want to stop them. They've won until the day we figure out they won't stop until guns are pointed at them.
>>68423700
>nihilism.
Only if you equate think "God" gives you meaning to life then sure.
>>68408505
You will still be dead when Islam overruns you, and good luck getting away with converting at the last second.
>>68423406
How? The vast, vast majority of muslims are children of muslims, not converts. Those are a negligible amount.
>>68423640
Yes but for that I would have to regard one correct which is also subjective. Your trying to tell me universal morality exists because you have faith that you're in the right religion.
>>68423609
People doing something and saying their faith justifies it doesn't necessarily mean that's the case. In Islam it's very obvious that Muslim rapists and murderers on non-Muslims are doing what their text tells them to do. In Christianity there's not, since you can't find justification for doing those things in the New Testament since Christ explicitly commands pacifism.
>>68408890
Yeah. There haven't been militant anarchists or nihilists at any point in history.
Oh wait.
>>68423787
In reality, humans wrote these books, not God. Therefore these are arbitrary rules established by some random sandniggers a few thousand years ago
>>68423046
>Like it did in Russia
Russians are not strong Christian believers. They don't follow Orthodox rituals, Church doesn't shape their life at all compare to the Muslims.
>>68417444
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>>68423665
not at all. This is absolutely not catholic.
You're confusing it with judaism.
>>68423908
Nihilism is the result of a belief in a pointless universe.
>>68423803
There's no such thing as human nature. Try telling me what human nature is, and I'll tell you why your definition doesn't fly.
>>68423505
>they're necessarily moral relativists
That's precisely what I am refuting. We can make objective moral judgements without needing religion.
>>68408505
>getting attacked by your ancient enemy
>existential threat to culture
>forsake culture and the god of your ancestors to appease them
You're doing it wrong cuck.
>implying I'm not aware this is a JIDF slide thread
Nice try commie. Sage.
>>68416152
where do they get all of these orange jumpsuits from?
>>68424106
>what is judgment day
>>68423950
That's like saying 2+2 being 4 is subjective because you don't have to regard it as being the case and can instead regard it as being something else. That doesn't make it subjective - it makes you wrong.
>>68424046
You can find them in the Old Testament though.
For some reason, many christians don't quite get the "new covenant replaced the old covenant " thing.
