Kasich is out there talking about how trump may not hit 1,237 delegates and that the convention is going to be brokered. A bunch of others are talking about how voters don't pick candidates, delegates do, blahblahfuckingblah and I have to ask: Are they insane? Trump is attracting people who don't normally vote republican and others who are fed up with the political system, and Kasich's sole purpose to continue running is to whittle away votes from Trump.
Between Kasich's greed with likely only a single state victory and having a minority of the delegates compared to Cruz or Trump and the GOP thinking that if they keep repeating that brokered conventions can happen and they are thinking of it it's hard to imagine what's in the Kool aid. Seriously, let's think of the scenarios:
>Cruz gets picked
Some republicans like him but Trump can still run independent, still likely alienates a lot of voters.
>Kasich gets picked
Very little support, many people get turned off from voting or vote third party. Hillary gets it again.
>They pick someone else other than Trump, Cruz or Kasich
The worst possible outcome with the same result: Hillary gets elected.
Do they really think if they keep repeating that a convention can be brokered that people will just roll over and accept the GOP fucking the voters over?
>>68238450
They are in full panic mode. They dont know what the fuck to do. Its been years since all the talent and brains have drained out of the organization. These are not people who have built anything they are the inheritors of things other people built.
To be fair though maybe its all talk maybe the media is blowing it up making it worse.
Well see in the end though they will either fall in line behind Trump or blow this shit to hell so itll take decades to recover.
>>68238450
>Is the GOP insane?
No. Their plan is to put one of their own, i.e. Shillary, in the White House and they're using pretty smart tactics to do it.
>>68238450
GOP incumbents will be DESTROYED in the following primaries Democrats will be SUPER FUCKING DESTROYED in generals
What's so hard to understand? They'd rather lose one election than have pic related destroy the party for a generation.
>>68238450
Hillary is supposed to have it unopposed and Trump isnt following the script.
>>68238855
And all this does for them is destroy them anyway, because it exposes how utterly out of touch neocons are.
More and more people are realizing that neocons are just militant leftists. They treat bible-thumping conservatives like the democrats treat niggers, a necessary concession for voting power.
fuck the gop. they're just as bad as cuckocrats. they are not crazy - they don't want their gravy train upended. they would rather have that cunt hillary in office than trump. that's all there is to it.
>>68238732
Please, you're giving these people way too much credit
>>68238450
They have lost control of their own party and are scrambling to get it back by any means posdible. The democrats are not in the same situation because sanders never had a chance, never tried to fight for it, and superdelegates ensure a change inside the party is more difficult. America is run by two corporations, democracy is just an illusion
>>68238450
>Trump wins
Clinton is elected
>Trump loses nom to Cruz
Clinton is elected
>Brokered: Cruz, Trump third party
Clinton is elected
>Brokered: Kasich, Trump third party
Clinton is elected
>Brokered: Other, Trump third party
Clinton is elected
>>68239040
This. The GOP elite are a bunch of braindead morons. They've been so used to getting their own way for so long that they literally have no idea what to do now that the party has revolted against them. Honestly, I think they'll fall in line behind Trump in the end. They're not really smart enough to even consider anything else.
>>68239175
>America is run by two corporations, democracy is just an illusion
Yup. Voting is pointless.
>>68238840
I know you're illiterate but trump isn't SUPER FUCKING DESTROYING anyone
>>68239258
Even Huffpo (as liberally leaning as they are) has Hillary at 53.8% unfavorable/41.5% favorable. Favorability ratings don't also necessarily correlate to how many people show up to vote.
>>68239258
"HuffPo" get a better graph Bernie.
>>68239427
>hurrrr watch me invalidate 50 polls not collected by HuffPo with my ignorance
>>68239396
>obfuscation
Hi. This thread is about the GOP derailing trump, which is still the smartest move available to them. See my pic related
>>68239258
For reference why and thanks for trying to derail
>>68239258
DELETE THIS
>>68239258
>huffpost
>balanced
>>68239740
trumpfags complain about fox news polls being biased as well against trump.
>>68239866
>MSM
>Objective
>>68239676
How is it "obfuscation" to point out that an internet poll of less than ~2,000 people across all political alignments isn't really representative of how people go to vote? Cruz is 51% unfavorable and Kasich is allegedly 31% unfavorable.
Also their methodology doesn't seem to make sense. They say Kasich is 36% favorable 31% unfavorable, but when you reference the Morning Consult poll they used and add up "somwhat unfavorable," and "very unfavorable", it ranks at 30%. Trump is 45% unfavorable and 12% somewhat unfavorable, which adds up to 58%, but the chartshows him at 62.3% unfavorable.
The biggest point is that a lot of democrats aren't big fans of Kasich or Cruz, but they don't hate him like Trump. But that doesn't matter. It matters who goes out to vote and who they pick to vote. Voter turnout within parties is also important.
>>68238450
They're not insane. It's much worse than that.
They're all fucking kikes.
>>68239740
>>68240048
>Low energy death rattle
>>68239175
When the banks had trouble, the hindsight mantra was to let it fail, so that it could be rebuilt stronger. Now is probably the right time to apply the philosophy to the Republican party. Let it break apart, so the crazy fringe becomes a 3rd party that is too wacky to actually win anything. They really did this to themselves of course. They drooled over having Fox News push all the questionable propaganda that they wouldn't dare say in public, and now it blew up in their face because an amateur politician decided to just stay it all out loud.
>>68239194
>Honestly, I think they'll fall in line behind Trump in the end.
They'll campaign against him in the general. Not openly, of course. If you follow the money, the anti-Trump ads will come from RINOs and their billionaire backers.
They'd rather have Hillary than Trump.
>>68240214
>no less than 6 irrelevant non-sequiturs
>>68238450
The GOP would rather lose the election than have Trump win it. Trump doesn't pander to the GOP's donors enough and they noted that money to keep funding campaigns. It's about showing strength to their donors, that is more important than a single election.
>>68240659
>they noted that money
They need** that money
>>68238450
>Do they really think if they keep repeating that a convention can be brokered that people will just roll over and accept the GOP fucking the voters over?
the voters won't and Trump won't. RNC/DNC establishment day of the rope is coming soon.
>>68239258
now look at the one for hillary fgt
>>68241087
Voters are pretty forgetful. Most of these people have plenty of past scandals, and nobody cares about it after a weekend has passed. If they end up pulling Romney out of the toy box, they may be so distracted that they just forget all scandals immediately.
>>68241374
I don't think Romney could distract a room full of ADHD toddlers, let alone be enough of an excitement to shut down the Trump hype train.
>>68240310
People hate all the candidates but someone has to win. https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpolling.reuters.com%2F%23poll%2FTM651Y15_13%2Ffilters%2FPD1%3A1%2CLIKELY%3A1%2Fdates%2F20160307-20160318%2Ftype%2Fday
>>68239238
I'd say voting for a rupture candidate is the way forward. Right now the only one is Trump. Sanders could have been one too but he's too much of a cuck to win the nomination and really break the establishment in a significant way.
If the presidential election ends up being between two shills like hilary and cruz then yes, voting is pointless and nothing will change either way
>>68238450
There is no left or right, just globalists and nationalists. It doesn't matter to the GOP if Hillary wins because they can still thrive under her. Trump will destroy everything they've worked to achieve over the decades.
>>68241510
I think he could distract from a Trump scandal, but at the same time, I don't necessarily think he could win a general election. His own party refused to vote for him because he was a Mormon, and he has only gotten more Mormon since then.
>>68238450
>They pick someone else other than Trump, Cruz or Kasich
>HILLARY WINS
Hold it here, rocketeer! Slow and stead wins the race.
>>68238450
>Trump is attracting people who don't normally vote republican
Outside of Regan Democrats who the Democratic party can easily bring back to them if make Sanders their pitch man, Trump is not registering new voters, he's just bringing people who already vote in the general into voting in the primary.
It's cooking the books down to a T.
Republicans have no option. Either be a bitch by taking Trump or Cruz (Cruz's entire career is opportunistic and he lead Republicans into costing America over 16 billion dollars over the government shutdown.) Or force Kasich who is a free trade whore.
>>68239186
Trump loses according to all of the liberal media polls against him.
Tell me anon, do you believe what the libtards who have controlled the news outlets unchallenged for all of these years says? When it's in their interests to portray the election against trump and for shillary, as they've been doing?
Ok so believe them on this count too anon. You can trust all the credible sources you see on TV.
>>68240310
Trump is only trying to appeal to half the population right now.
The GOP was running to lose from the beginning, long before Trump began his run.
Bush was supposed to get the nod and purposely lose to Hillary. Just like Romney.
2 party politics is a myth.
>>68238450
Why is kasich not required to endorse one of the two? He has literally no hope of winning.
>>68241694
This.
>>68238450
The GOP is blown up in most scenarios.
>Trump nominated, Trump wins
The establishment fucks off forever so basically the GOP becomes a new party
>Trump nominated, Trump loses
The semi-nuclear scenario for /pol/, meltdowns will be funny at least
>Brokered convention, brokered nominee loses
The full nuclear scenario, the GOP is kneecapped forever.
>>68242139
Why would he concede to a nut and a tea-bagger, when he could continue collecting donations to save for his next political run?
>>68242139
He thinks that they'll pick him at a brokered convention which won't happen. Hell, unless they repeal/suspend he rule 40(B) that you have to have a plurality in seven states, he won't even be eligible.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/21/magazine/why-the-republican-establishment-doesnt-like-john-kasich.html
>Yet most party insiders to whom I’ve spoken flatly reject a draft-Kasich movement. Partly this is because he hasn’t earned it. To date he has triumphed only in his home state — which was not a huge surprise, given that he won all 12 of his previous elections (for State Senate, Congress and governor) there. Kasich was something of an absentee candidate in the South and has underperformed in the North and the Midwest outside Ohio. His fund-raising abilities are not especially impressive: He has raised $15.3 million thus far, not much more than the $14.2 million that Marco Rubio raised in the last quarter of last year alone. His quixotically rambling, hug-dispensing campaign manner — the conservative columnist John Podhoretz likened him to a “groovy youth minister” — borrows more from Jimmy Carter than from Ronald Reagan.
>No doubt Chairman Kasich’s strict budgets made life unpleasant for a few lobbyists. But so did his demeanor — which, D.C. veterans say, was often sanctimonious and rude. “John had a reputation,” says Jim Dyer, the former Republican staff director of the Appropriations Committee who counts himself as an admirer, even though the two often tussled on budgetary matters. “When he got upset, he’d really blow up.” Former Representative Dave Hobson, one of Kasich’s closest friends in the Capitol, recalls: “He’d get really upset with you. Then, two or three days later, he’d say, ‘Goddamn it, Dave, you were right about that.’ ” That Kasich is widely regarded as an accomplished legislator distinguishes him from his two remaining rivals
>>68238732
I agree. It was already decided Shitlery would be president, just like they decided Obama was the last two elections. The GOP run people like Cruz, Kasich, Romney, etc to prevent any maverick from defeating the establishment choice in the general election.
>>68242139
>Required
Did you forget how a democracy and open election works, youngfag?
>>68242139
His goal is to play puppet during a brokered convention.
Ironic because he said that he wanted to win the presidency on the high road and wouldn't stoop down to dirty and underhanded levels, when the only potential way for him to win the election is to screw Trump and Cruz from behind through a convention and steal the election via techniqualities and backroom deals.
basically he's there to screw everyone over as much as he can and help shillary out
A brokered convention means the end of the GOP as a viable political party.
>>68238450
republicans never have and never will hold a "brokered convention"
"brokered conventions" are a democrat phenomenon exclusively
republicans dont have "super delegates" eager to sell their vote for sinecures and kickbacks.
stop spreading this bullshit.
>>68242303
>The GOP is blown up in most scenarios
fucked in all of them. Either trump wins and they lose control of the party or the democrats win and they lose the election. But that's just the party itself, the donors behind it will be pleased with a hillary win.
You can tell trump would be a real change when both parties and the media are against him
>>68239007
>cuckocrats
>not democucks
you retard
>>68238450
This is the restructuring of a political party. It happens almost once every 40 years as demographics change faster than party ideals. This is one of them. Enjoy Democratic leadership until somebody on the right realizes that some positions are doing more harm than good for the GOP. If I had to put money on some topics it would be climate change and religion and a move to posture minorities.
Racist and religious southerners belonged to be Democratic Party but changed to the right over matters like Roe vs Wade and the civil rights movement and now have considerable sway in the direction of the GOP. Progressives saw their home on the right as they fought for labor reform like minimum wage and fought the grip of corporations but they crossed the aisle as well. Nothing is set in concrete.
>>68242610
Not really. The system as is, is built to push two parties, and the people that voted for them aren't suddenly becoming Democrats. A hypothetical future replacement might not be named Republican, but it will have all the same members and philosophies.
>>68242752
http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/10/brokered-gop-conventions-often-produce-a-winning-president/
>Indeed, since its first convention in 1856, the Republican Party has had ten presidential elections in which no candidate coming into the convention had a majority of delegates. In seven of those conventions, the GOP did not nominate the person who came in with the most delegates.
You were saying? If no candidate gets a majority from the first round, then more and more delegates get released and can change their vote from what the voters picked to whatever they want.
>>68242831
finally somebody gets it
The media has screwed us over unchallenged for how long? and now that everyone in media who's been holding hands together, liberal or not, is collectively against Trump we're supposed to believe them and fall in line like good little puppets
>>68243606
The world order and elites are being challenged by someone they can't control. Of course they're throwing a temper tantrum.
>>68242752
The 1948 republican convention was a brokered convention. Also according to party rules, delegates only have to vote for their bound candidate on the first vote. If no candidate has a majority on the first vote, they vote again, and at this point, they can vote for whoever they like. Rule 40-B states they need to vote for someone who has won at least 8 states, however this rule is set to expire just before they vote. They'll hold a meeting before they vote to either renew or replace their existing rules for choosing the nominee.
>>68242752
these people vote
>>68242886
>The system as is, is built to push two parties
It really isn't. Its just the majority of other parties are run by idiots and don't know how to run a campaign or get their message out.
>and the people that voted for them aren't suddenly becoming Democrats.
Who said they would?
They don't see it as a loss.
They see it as "purging the party of unwanted elements".
Never mind that more than 50% of their voters will become disenfranchised and have no party that represents them, they're not thinking that far ahead.
>>68243880
From what I've read Rule 40(b) requiring that candidates have 8 states to be eligible isn't going to expire unless they explicitly move to suspend or repeal the rule.
>>68238450
> Is the GOP insane?
the short answer is "yes", but the longer answer is that trump is destined to lose the election in a landslide so the GOP is just trying to desperately salvage the race via brokered convention.
it's a lose-lose situation for them no matter what. at the core, the 2-party system is at fault. (same with bernie on the other side, trump isnt really in line with republican principles, and bernie isnt really in line with democrats either (though dems are probably less defined than repubs ideologically))
>>68238450
Perfectly sane, establishment is basically the same as democrats, so they dont care
>>68243266
still not a "brokered convention"
i dont care what that e-zine claims, the republicans have ZERO "brokered conventions"
more than one round of voting doesnt mean "brokered"
a convention can only be called "brokered" when delegates exchange their votes for sinecures, which CAN NEVER HAPPEN in the republican party.
conversely, democrats with the "super delegates" hold a convention that's more like a flea market, where every local party boss sells his vote to the highest bidder.
calling a republican contested convention "brokered" is just an attempt to manufacture moral equivalency with the democrat convention auction house
The GOP know very well what they are doing. It's simple. If they nominate an outsider like Trump, he will literally fuck everything up.
It's much safer to let the Hillary have the presidency and just try again 4 years later. What they are doing is actually smart. Hillary will get a lot of hate during her term, which will make winning even easier.
>>68244429
Except given the attitude many high up GOP officials, figures and supporters have, its likely they will attempt to make it a brokered convention.
Even if its not "brokered" if the delegates vote in ways that betray who they represent its still corrupt.
>Is the GOP insane?
No, just a vast array of forces tug and pull at it some of which go along with Trump and most of which run counter.
A more rational foreign policy would end up observing the middle east naturally evolve without our input, getting the Europeans to indigenize their security apparatus' to fend off the threat posed by Russia and chaos on its fringes.
What we focus on is pushing back against the adversarial attempts by Latin America to control our political process for their benefit that runs counter to the interests of our communities in which we live, while also
significantly expanding our hedge in east asia to ensure that China doesn't gobble up everything and pose a much more substantial threat later on.
That would be a sane foreign policy. Unfortunately, we have this continuing obsession with what transpires in the Middle East and Europe when really what we should be doing is to just let events naturally transpire over there.
>>68243880
>>68243987
derp derp derp
find the term "brokered convention" in the republican convention rules faggot.
find anything in those rules that creates the frenzied "horsetrading" the democrats engage in every few years.
republican conventions are an exercise in democracy
democrat conventions are an auction
>>68239186
Listen to this truth. Trump is the living embodiment of whitey's last gasp and it is very, very ugly. Fortunately America is too brown to vote for a racist party. There is no scenario where Hillary doesn't win by at least 10%. Landslide will be a nice mandate to finish off the racists for good once she's in.
>>68244429
after the first ballot when trump doesn't reach a majority all the delegates will eventually become unbound and they can make deals. cruz could make a deal to be trumps VP and tell the delegates he once had to vote for trump
there is a reason why the entirety of the country talks about brokered conventions
>>68244639
>Unfortunately, we have this continuing obsession with what transpires in the Middle East
Oy I wonder who could be behind that goy?
>>68239186
Yep! Might as well give Hillary a stroke on the way to the white house.
>>68242139
He's still in it for the sole purpose of bleeding delegates off Trump.
>>68244732
there doesn't need to be the word brokered in the document to be an actual brokered convention, does your birth certificate say faggot?
all brokered means is contested negotiations
like I said, after nobody wins a majority on the first ballot, delegates will be unbound from their duties and can vote for whomever in the second round, this continues with further unbounding until every delegate is unbound and anyone can win. at that point cruz rubio and kasich could take the stage to plead for their past delegates to vote for romney. cruz deal with rubio for a vp spot in exchange for convincing his delegates. this is a literal negotiation. if you don't think so then you should kill yourself
>(e) If no candidate shall have received such majority, the chairman of the convention shall direct the roll of the states be called again and shall repeat the calling of the roll until a candidate shall have received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the convention.
how the fuck do you think it proceeds? the political world has been over this time and time again but it must be wrong because some retarded kid on the internet doesn't understand basic reading comprehension
>>68244733
>Trump is the living embodiment of whitey's last gasp and it is very, very ugly.
Pretty much. Noam Chomsky said Trump was white America's way of dealing with the idea of the becoming a minority. It helps them deal with it better.
>There is no scenario where Hillary doesn't win by at least 10%. Landslide will be a nice mandate to finish off the racists for good once she's in.
Indeed. She will be declared the winner around 10 pm just like Obama in Ohio.
>>68238450
Kasich wants to fill America with 3rd world scum. He's pro open borders.
Americans would have been stupid to vote for him. Even Sanders is more red-pilled.
>>68239186
>what is electoral college
"National polls" from MSNBC don't mean shit. Research about the electoral college system and you'll understand why a Presideng Trump is almost guaranteed.
>>68247454
>>what is electoral college
You mean the one that overwhelming favors Democrats?
>>68247454
>you'll understand why a Presideng Trump is almost guaranteed.
AGAIN NO SOURCES TO BACK THIS UP
ONLY MEMES FOR TRUMPFAGS
>>68247454
Lol, the popular vote usually lines up with the electoral college. Trump doesn't have some Hollywood movie magic that will turn the 30% of voters he'll get into an electoral win.
>>68247548
Lol wat
Were you alive yet in 2000
>>68238450
I hope they don't go full retard but you can never count on cuckservatives
>>68247801
>Were you alive yet in 2000
Yes, and I know for a fact Trump could win Colorado, Nevada, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, and he would STILL LOSE the electoral college vote. Eat shit you trumpshit.
HALF THE GOP ARE DEMOCRATS
AND HALF OF THE DEMOCRATS ARE COMMUNISTS
WAGE UP SHEEPBLE
HALF THE GOP ARE DEMOCRATS
AND HALF OF THE DEMOCRATS ARE COMMUNISTS
WAGE UP SHEEPBLE
HALF THE GOP ARE DEMOCRATS
AND HALF OF THE DEMOCRATS ARE COMMUNISTS
WAGE UP SHEEPBLE
The GOP would rather Hilary be President than Trump.
All you need to know about them and they're betrayal of the Republican voter base.
>>68244733
weak bait
>>68246888
>Noam Chomsky said Trump was white America's way of dealing with the idea of the becoming a minority
quite ridiculous claim considering hillary will have a majority white vote and blacks make up ~13% of the population and probably only a third of those can and will vote
>>68248215
Bait, probably. But, true.
The only hope for Trumptards is the fact Bush Jr was elected. He was a total fucking idiot.
>>68247942
Your ideas are shit should I eat them
They're not insane. They're run by donors, just like the Dems. The Dem donors were able to control their election. The Republican donors were not able to control their side so they are in full panic mode.
This election has made the corruption of our campaign finance system transparent. You can say what you will about Sanders, but he is right about this one issue. We need to get special interest money out of politics.
Brokered conventions is a meme
It just won't happen
If trump is in a lead by a lot (which he probably will be) he will get the nomination
It's just a dumb story for news outlets to report on
>>68238855
They just end up destroying the party anyways and causing a civil war.
>>68238686
30 years of Moral Majority will do that.
>>68242534
This
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Both Kucksuck and shitllary have been purchased by soros
