>WARNING
Very hard to listen to!
>Blood boiling.
>"Every culture changes"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4_b5Rxv_9A
Christ.
>2 minutes in "I'm not trying to poison the well, but..." followed by poisoning the well.
I'm bumping because this is an important debate - and pol needs to listen to it.
COME ON POL!
listened to over an hour and got tired
they're rambling, and both use half baked arguments
would have liked it if the video was marked, so i could skip between topics
it's not actually a debate. sargon seems to be asking legitimate questions about the alt right and sometimes playing devils advocate (tho he may be somewhat leftist)
I'll give you a bump
it wasn't that painful
look at MW's Milleniyule #1 for a real shit storm
and I'm sooo tired of
> muh collectivism vs individualism
Sargon tries so hard to fit anything into that paradigm
>>68238000
>tho he may be somewhat leftist
You must be dumb as fuck if that just occurred to you. Sargon is very much a leftie.
4 hours? I don't have the patience for this shit. Can someone link the best parts?
>>68238000
>>68238029
Jesus guys... SARGON IS A JEW!
someone should ask him why Israel is allowed to stay sovereign. why does Israel ban intermarriage? why does Israel sterilize black woman? why does Israel have carte blanche to genocide Palestinians etc etc etc
>>68238155
i meant even tho he may be a leftist, he's still just playing devils advocate, in order to understand the alt right better
and i don't watch those channels anyway. i think going for 30 mins on a subject that shouldn't take more than 10 is a waste of time. also those channels try to produce content every day, so they just end up complaining about radicals. meaning they say "look at this feminist being a retard". it's exactly what the left does when they say "look at this mass shooter being a retard".
>>68238233
>MW: Human beings can be evaluated as individuals and as groups
>Sargon: you can only evaluate human beings as individuals
>MW: society is the result of individuals and group dynamics
>Sargon: Society is the result of individuals, but ...other peoples' individual choices somehow don't effect you...uh, yeah
>>68237863
Saw it yesterday. But I'll bump because Sargon gets pretty wrecked by the end, despite his best efforts to bullshit.
>>68238453
>why Israel is allowed to stay sovereign
because the USA backs it like all it's other cold war allies?
>the rest of those
yeah that'd be interesting. if i gave a damn.
like i said i don't follow those channels. afaik it's just two random people talking.
>>68236989
Couldn't finish this after about the time they talked about how a diminishing population is a bad thing.
It's not, it's a generational thing and people adapt fast.
Overall, not enough debate or trying to see things from other sides, or widen horizons. Not a very productive talk at all, just a lot of hand jobs.
>>68238782
>Couldn't finish this after about the time they talked about how a diminishing population is a bad thing.
>It's not, it's a generational thing and people adapt fast.
This said by a Swede. Dear god...
>>68238880
You're not making yourself very understood. Go on, elaborate what you mean.
>>68236989
>slav
>white
>>68238742
That's his problem. He doesn't argue in good faith. MW concedes good points, and acknowledges interesting questions. Sargon just quibbles and shift the goalposts for the entire 5 hours. I'd say the goalpost moving, without admitting he's doing so because he lost a point, is the worst aspect of his tactics.
Woes made some shitty arguments, but at least he wasn't being intellectually dishonest.
>>68238782
a diminishing population will be proportional with race.
basically, the richer whites are having less kids, the feminist whites are having less kids, the gay whites are having less kids, the autistic (neet, ponyfag, etc) whites are having less kids.
meanwhile even if migration levels stayed at 0, the native foreigners would still outbreed you. and the next generations will be effected.
Im not white, Arab/hispanic 3rd Gen American. but what he is saying is true... white guilt is destroying you.
I dont want to live in a 3rd world shit hole, so please get your shit together
>>68239049
You are well on the way to demographic collapse in Sweden. A country is not the land, or lines on a map, it's your people. The real Swedish people, not the "Swedes".
Once they are gone, Sweden is gone.
>>68239049
>You're not making yourself very understood. Go on, elaborate what you mean.
He means this is the wrong attitude to have if you want your nation to survive the fact you're literally being demographically invaded, your women fucked, your men castrated.
>>68239260
What site is that? Does it show population growth based on ethnicity and/or region?
>>68239260
basically, the richer whites are having less kids,
But they are having kids, and hopefully hoarding the wealth.
>the feminist whites are having less kids, the gay whites are having less kids, the autistic (neet, ponyfag, etc) whites are having less kids.
Why would you want these types to even have kids?
Still not a problem, if migration levels were 0, a country would still manage since most developed western nations trade in high tech which makes a lot of cash flow, regadless of how many people live in said country. It's all fine.
>>68236989
Sargon of Mossad.
"It's inevitable goys."
>>68239423
Whose talking about going away? A diminishing population is just a smaller population that before.
>>68239521
>survive the fact you're literally being demographically invaded, your women fucked, your men castrated.
This is true, but hardly a lengthy problem population-wise.
Sweden will have bad neighbourhoods, and better one's - gated white richer communities.
Or, the Sweden Democrats actually manages to drive off the unwashed hordes.
>>68239585
i can't find it, but here are some similar
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/Bulgaria/People
http://populationpyramid.net/bulgaria/2015/
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistical-atlas/gis/viewer/
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bu.html
>>68236989
>4 hours
nah
>>68239824
>Whose talking about going away? A diminishing population is just a smaller population that before.
You don't exist in a vacuum. The native Swedish population is diminishing rapidly. The real scope of the problem is obscured because of an ageing population. 20 years from now when the boomers have died off you will find yourself a minority in your own country, as non-native people of your same age will outnumber you. At that point they will control it and you will never get it back.
>>68238759
I don't follow sargon either. but I check in on him sometimes because he has a following. its only "news" because he influences others - and most people don;t realize he's a jew.
he's kind of like ben shapiro. cares about white people stuff, until it has to do with nationalism.
>>68239588
>But they are having kids, and hopefully hoarding the wealth.
still less kids than the foreigners
http://burymewithmymoney.com/
>Why would you want these types to even have kids?
that's not the point
>a country would still manage
manage what. if currant trends continue your future generations will be a minority in their own country
>>68239222
>but at least he wasn't being intellectually dishonest.
And this is why the alt-right shouldn't bother with debating anybody like this, we should just be talking to fencesitters and normies
>>68236989
Wow
So even a racist MRA like Sargon of Akkad is NOT liked on /pol/?
You reactionaries are sure hard to please...
>>68236989
>>68238453
>>68240201
Where did Sargon say he is a jew?
>>68239380
we're trying. but when white people speak up - everyone labels us racist. then we loose our jobs. our families. and legal action can be taken against us... "hate crimes" etc. disarmed and made to keep quiet. white people have no power anymore.
>>68240209
> if currant trends continue
But it won't. The trend is already shifting, and the brown shitskins won't continue breeding like rats either. Better to live the western lifestyle.
The major cities that harbour these vermin will fall out of favour and rural areas, mostly white, will flourish in a near future. I can predict this because the brown hordes do not work productively even now. They are making ghost towns.
>>68239588
LOLOLOLOLOLO
BRO YOU LIVE IN SWEDEN!
>"it's all fine"
are you fucking mental bro? it is absolutely not all fine. look out your window you tool
>>68236989
>4 hours
TLDR?
>>68240245
It's a shitty ideology that doesn't hold up to real scrutiny. Even if it weren't taboo, it would get demolished in any real academic setting or debate with people who actually know their stuff. Why do you think white nationalist body of academic writing is basically nonexistent? Hell, even feminists have more compelling arguments. This stream was complete shit, Sargon isn't very good at this. If he were he would have been able to mop the floor with MW.
>>68240245
Well, I think by virtue of the subject matter that Sargon covers, there are a lot of fence sitters that watch his channel. Most people in the Alt-right were normies or liberals of some stripe in the past. Woes got 200 new subscribers just by the end of the talk. I didn't check to see the numbers today.
>>68240375
He isn't, they're projecting. Anything and anyone that doesn't believe what they do is secretly a Jew.
>watch me shitpost for 4 hours
plz no
>>68240375
do some research
>>68236989
gangbang ! whos that ass !
>>68240245
....looks like about 300 new subscribers since last night. So it's hard to say it was a worthless 5 hours for Woes.
>>68240438
If you thought the danger was actually as bad as you say it is, you wouldn't care about any of that. Did the blacks care about the repercussions when they fought for civil rights? How about the old nationalist revolutionaries in Europe? If you don't drop everything in order to achieve your goal, then you are tacitly admitting that it isn't much of a problem. Maybe you just like to complain on the Internet or feel like you're an activist or something.
>>68236989
bump for leaf nationalism
4 hours of a jewish globalist advocating for European genocide. What a waste of time.
>>68240638
>t. Shlomo Shekelberg
>>68240947
Thanks for proving my point.
I thought his men's activism and stance on political correctness was good, but turns out he's a cuck. Unsubbed.
>>68236989
>putting a trigger warning
>>68240982
>t. Chaim Rosenbergstein
>>68240947
It's true in the sense that not all Jews think the same thing about white nationalism you retarded child
>>68240565
>I know you don't read the Torah, I know this; but I'm gonna get you Jewish today, 'cause it's Monday; you ain't got no job... and you ain't got shit to do, goy.
>>68240670
So you're full of shit. Got it.
>>68240945
Individualism is a retarded social strategy, it's always doomed to fail.
http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html
>>68241116
>I'm your friend, goy, trust me!
>>68241003
Not hard to look appealing when the only videos you post about are against people that are universally viewed as cunts.
>>68241120
10/10
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mqTy7xfv0zEneqqmpY0kh-5FBEhVeXVgYxA4YHXokH8/viewform
please do my survey for college guise
>>68237456
>>68237863
How can people get away with just shilling for youtubers on here?
Have them buy a banner or something instead.
>>68241116
Not only that, they think that only a Jew shill could possibly disagree with them. It's so retarded that it really is quite funny. This is what happens when you get ideologies forming in echo chambers, they aren't dynamic and don't stand up to scrutiny. I say they should keep doing whatever they do though. It makes sure no one with more than a quarter of a brain will take them seriously.
>>68240982
OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN
>>68236989
>'Every culture changes"
He's right. The culture of Western Europe is not the same now as it was in, say, the 14th century.
Hell, it changed dramatically in 20th century.
>>68241116
>>68241387
You people have autism. We're half joking, Soros employees.
>>68241188
So the United States, the poster child of individualism, is a story of consistent failure? Hmmm. If anything our country is dying as it gets more collectivist. Read a book sometime.
>>68236989
And 4 fucking hours? Fuck that.
>>68241268
Well, there are many people who are SJWs, and leftists, so some would disagree with him.
>>68241485
>We're half joking, Soros employees.
Well don't fucking tell them, I enjoy when autists out themselves as such.
>>68241485
>half
Sure you are.
>>68241582
>I enjoy when autists out themselves as such.
Case in point: >>68241589
>>68241589
>image.jpg
>iphone poster
Into the gas chambers with you.
>>68241439
Because industrial revolution and technology. Multiracial culture has been shaped by traitorous gentiles and jewish intellectuals and other groups.
They deny Europeans to tell their own collective story and to possess a culture of their own to thrive.
>>68241582
The only people that look like they have autism to a neutral observer, so a normie, is you lot. Nice try though.
>>68241714
You come from a communist hugbox, mate, you're no "neutral observer".
>>68241684
You didn't deny the statement. Why are you so worried about potential cultural changes if so many have happened already regardless?
>>68241714
>>68241815
There you are projecting again. The only 'social media' site I go on is this one. Nice try though. Plus, I never said I was a neutral observer. Learn to read.
Listening to anything involving sargon of acuck.
The only thing I want to hear from that faggot is his death throes as I back a tractor over his pathetic lefty chest.
>>68241867
>culture changes
We're worried about IQ changes and little Detroits forming in Europe.
>>68241867
>all change is good
Why don't you start putting shit in your coffee? It's a change from sugar and milk. Come on, it's 2016, stop being afraid of change.
>>68240375
I doubt he's Jewish but he could be. He claims to be a very light skinned black man, like 1/8th black or some shit. No idea if this is true or if he's a white liberal who just thinks it's cool to pretend to be black.
>>68241980
>projecting
Nice armchair psychology, autist.
>>68239094
>slav
>not black
>not Asian
>not arab
>not Pajeet
>not abo
>not Inuit
Gosh golly gee I guess that narrows it down to one option: of course slavs are fucking white. The Irish on the other hand...
>>68241500
>Read a book sometime.
http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt , specifically.
16. Words like "self-confidence," "self-reliance," "initiative",
"enterprise," "optimism," etc. play little role in the liberal and
leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic,
pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone's needs for them,
take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his own ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of
competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser.
>>68242001
That's a fair concern, but you don't need nationalism to solve it. You could select for immigrants with high IQ. If it is genetic, as you say, their descendants will also be high IQ.
>>68242040
Now we're using strawmen, ok. I never said all change was good. Again, learn to read.
>>68237114
>>68237456
Seventh Son is canadian?
woosh!
>>68236989
Sargon of Mossad and that race mixer Interent "i fuck chinks" Aristocrat are the reason gamergate got fucked
>>68242001
>That stupid patch in southern Africa
Okay, I give, what is the blue?
>>68241714
>Neutral observer
>Normie
>>68241867
And these cultural changes have been positive for us?
>>68242247
>You could select for immigrants with high IQ. If it is genetic, as you say, their descendants will also be high IQ.
Canada has a points system for immigrants but we should make it stricter. You guys had literacy tests to get the right to vote. But all of this is racist.
>>68241500
We were individualist because we were 90% White
We are becoming collectivist because we're being overrun by spics and shitskins
Multiculturalism + collectivism = authoritarian government and mutual distrust, it is a disaster
>>68242166
That's the literally definition of it, yes. And you're exhibiting it. You're not doing anything to disprove it either. You are showing signs of autism right now though so good job on that. I'd give you a few stickers for a job well done if you were physically near me :^)
>>68240574
>>68241387
What about the alt-right is "shitty"?
You're arguments are all ad-hominem and appeal to authority. Do you really think we're that dumb?
poor bait m8
>>68242373
San people/bushmen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5_OGa_Ktek
lol he's actually debating someone. /Leftypol/etariats tried several times to get him to debate and he chickened out everytime.
>>68242196
That isn't disproving anything I said.
>>68242247
>I never said all change was good
Perhaps, but then again, you haven't said anything of value either, it was mostly piss-poor armchair psychology and autistic gibberish.
>>68242247
Why do we have to accept those immigrants (with high or low IQ)?
>>68241867
Because that cultural change involves in racemixing people who haven't asked for any of this, perhaps ?
Take people from the 20's and 30's into today's Capital cities from any Western Europe and they would legitimately freak out.
Our countries are being BIOLOGICALLY modified. And this isn't a choice, and it's not being told to the masses clearly. Hence, the high treason.
>>68242247
Selecting for immigrants with a higher IQ *is* nationalist, it's what we failed to do in the US when we removed quotas in 1965, and it's been an unmitigated disaster.
>>68242407
the altright is nothing but an idpol meme.
>>68242462
That's because I was agreeing with you.
>>68242682
And yet you have no evidence
>>68240574
So why is /pol/ consistently right about just about everything?
>>68238453
>why does Israel have carte blanche to genocide Palestinians
>genocide
Nigger please, you sound some AFA-cunt at some shit BDS demonstration.
Words mean shit.
>fat american neet with a cringy internet nickname makes a youtube channel to post stuff that get posted hourly here to make money with views
>i am supposed to discuss this
>i am suppose to give him one more view so he can better pay for his hotpockets
>i care
>4 hours long video
Not so fast Tim
>>68242407
Religiously motivated ethno-nationalist cancer. What you're doing is being a mirror image of a problem and thinking you're the solution.
>>68242381
They generally have, people are a lot freerer and happier now than they were in the past, objectively. You might not think so since I assume you see everything through a traditionalist lense. I concede that PC culture and other collectivist tendencies that are developing now isn't good though.
>>68242382
I have no issue with that. I have an issue with ideologies that center exclusively on race rather than merit.
>>68242385
You do realize that leftism is being pushed by mostly whites, right? You can blame Hitker and the culture of guilt he triggered in the Western World.
>>68242407
A proper ideology requires academic work and scrutiny. If it doesn't have either of those, then it hasn't been fleshed out enough to actually be coherent. The Alt-Right could literally be anything, hence why it's shitty.
>>68242786
>2016
>agreeing with anyone
>4chan
pick zero atheists
>>68242385
Well, Sargon is a dialectical materialist who think you can alter human psychology with the power of ideas, and circumstance. He literally thinks you can simply undo demonstrably true group dynamics of the kind outlined by Putnam (Harvard, 2007), and all of the negative social effects of multiculturalism will disappear. I used to think Sargon was delusional, but I'm beginning to suspect he may just not be that bright. He never seems to have any evidentiary references either--like he doesn't actually read anything of substance.
>>68241067
on pol a trigger warming is an invitation to watch
>>68242963
Yeah Hitler destroyed nationalism for White countries. I am so mad about that shit.
Whites are pathologically altruistic and bear more responsibility than Jews (the Jews that promote this tend to be mostly European anyway).
>>68242981
I hate these people so much. I wish the Standard Social Science Model would hurry up and die. Existentialism is cancer.
>>68241141
>that asian guy
TOPKEK
>>68241867
Because western society is the current Apex of human society. There is not a single culture that could currently improve our societies if we adopted it because for the past few centuries western civilization has been and remains at the front.
the only conceivable culture one could absorb to improve the west would have to be alien.
>>68243098
>trigger warming
sounds comfy
>>68241116
>picklestein goyberg
>>68242934
Up until ww2 nationalism was the default. Since then it's all gone tits up. The major players behind that change were those religious ethno-nationalists (who still are).
Coincidence?
>>68242981
>philosophy is a legitimate thing and not just a lot of mental gymnastic piggybacking on science
>>68241141
saved
>>68242881
Alright kiddo, what do you believe are the central tenements of the "altright"?
>>68236989
CANT STAND THE FUCKING SHIT ACCENTS
>>68242248
It's oosh and He's trans-Australian
>>68242924
>fat British neet
>>68242964
My roller coaster is still onward and upward. When I come down mid-afternoon 2016 really sinks in.
>>68242963
>They generally have, people are a lot freerer and happier now than they were in the past, objectively.
So women aren't people? Rather sexist of you, innit?
http://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/files/wp09-11bk.pdf
>>68243184
Everyone relies on philosophical premises of some kind whether they realize it or not. Scientists are no exception and rely on the assumption of methodological naturalism. Sure it seems to work but it's nice to understand the epistemological and ontological framework underlying our social practices.
>>68240729
>>68243235
"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for white children."
Beyond that, it's a free for all.
>>68242618
>>68242640
Of course, you in particular don't need to accept anything. You country's government and majority of the population think that your nation could benefit from immigration though and they're right sometimes. All you're doing is extrapolating your values onto everyone else, not everyone think the same way you do. If you think immigration is bad, come up with sound arguments and convince your countrymen. I'll tell you, though, that the case for complete isolation and racial stressing is almost impossible to make.
>>68242883
It isn't. And what it is right about it is for the wrong reasons.
>>68240729
Snežana Rodič
>>68243362
women are less happy because of feminism, sadly enough
>>68240729
Leave this board, you subhuman negroid and leave the good men of /pol/ alone
>>68243417
>philosophy is necessary to science
I looked at the ass and felt the need to post itt.
>>68242963
>They generally have, people are a lot freerer and happier now than they were in the past, objectively. You might not think so since I assume you see everything through a traditionalist lense. I concede that PC culture and other collectivist tendencies that are developing now isn't good though.
How stupid you are to believe this?
My grandparents lived better than me under Franco's regime, as well as a lot of Eastern Europeans under their communist regimes.
'Muh freedom', 'muh democracy' is an absurd American fantasy, you've watched too many Hollywood movies, moron.
>>68236989
>4 fucking hours
How can people have so much spare time and then spend it on fruitless drivel?
>>68243458
>It isn't.
People have tried to debate us over and over again. Sometimes they win a minor victory, but the central tenets that /pol/ tends to follow still stand and still keep making accurate predictions.
>>68242924
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>>68243559
Well the scientific method was developed by philosophers.
>>68243471
Yes, exactly. Which directly contradicts that autist who claims people are much happier now than in the past.
>>68243559
Yes, it is. Doesn't mean you necessarily recognize it, but you're doing philosophy when you're doing science.
Philosophy itself can benefit from science, especially cognitive science. It's circular but seems to work.
hey britbros, what kind of accent does MW have? it's a lot more pleasant to listen to than sargon's goofy accent.
>>68240517
lel they make kids and in 20 years we import millions again
>>68243452
>"our people"
>"white children"
yeah, idpol trash.
Race is an unfounded abstraction, using it in such a way is creating your own "big other" in the same vein as God in theocratic countries, and history itself in stalinist countries.
I want to see Sargon of Acuck debate Stefan Molyneux on something.
>>68243362
>feminist """""research""""""
>legitimate
Pick one.
>>68243697
Once atop the roof of science you can discard the ladder of philosophy.
>>68243458
Definitely you're stupid.
As every polls has shown, the vast majority of Europeans are against non-white immigration. That's how works your 'democracy' in the real world.
>>68243814
>this was the only study
>only feminists do these kind of studies
Keep grasping that straw, autist.
>>68243797
>Race is an unfounded abstraction
The genetic distance between abbos and bantus is greater than between two subspecies of chimps. Race *can* be founded on biology.
>>68243567
It's called "being a youtube personality" and getting recorded while your fatass spouts nonsense to a webcam so you can get ad revenue is a legitimate business now.
As they say where i live, the microphone is always lighter than the shovel
>>68243697
>Well the scientific method was developed by philosophers
>Galileo was a philosopher
wew, that common core of yours is doing wonders i see
>>68243811
>i want to see neckbeard loser A debate neckbeard loser B so they both get ad revenue while i procrastinate on youtube
>>68240375
His real surname is Benjamin.
>>68243742
Edinburgh I think
>>68243797
>Race is an unfounded abstraction
Nope. To believe this is to deny evolution.
>>68243742
He has a slightly scottish accent, I'm not familiar with specific scottish accents
>>68243972
cheers m8, sometimes I wish I were a brit just so I could have a kickass accent.
>>68243997
Stop triggering the autists with your racist facts, shitholrd.
>>68243934
>science started with Galileo
Also, I guess you've never heard of Sir Francis Bacon?
>>68240834
This, so Fucking much.
Meme magic aside,
Shitposting on /pol/ won't change anything.
>>68243997
I sometimes think there would actually be MORE peace between races if we couldn't interbreed.
>>68244122
It would certainly leave the waters of debate less muddy.
>>68244081
Leave
>>68244119
>Shitposting on /pol/ won't change anything.
I wouldn't go that far. Certainly JUST shitposting on /pol/ won't do anything, but the spreading of information and debate about it is an important part of any change.
>>68244076
don't wish for that
you could get really unlucky and be reborn in birmingham
>>68243929
What is that an image for ants?
And regardless, there is much greater difference between individuals than between races in regards to physical and psychological characteristics. Also, the "race" you are talking about in terms of biology is very different from race in the political sense, which has very little to do with biology and is almost entirely composed of unfounded abstractions.
>>68244122
I'm not sure about this. Maybe if interbreeding suddenly became impossible, yes.
But keep in mind humans totally killed off everything closely resembling us that we could not interbreed with.
>>68244122
One of the paradoxes of liberals is the push for multiculturalism, while at the same time they complain about the west drawing arbitrary borders in africa around hostile ethnic groups. They're the ones who pushed for Albanian and south Sudanese independence.
>>68243860
Show me the polls
>>68243922
Still showing off your gold-star deserving autism, I see.
>>68243633
I've seen how /pol/ debates. I'm doing it now. It isn't consistent and they just spew bullshit without backing it up. That's why few people actually try to argue on here. Plus, no one ever changes their minds and everything devolves into shitty flame wars.
>>68243564
Again, here you are extrapolating again. Like I said, not everyone shares your views. Some people could be happy living in the middle of no where, others could only be happy living in the city. Your values aren't the standard for happiness you fucking sperg.
>>68244386
>15 megapixel image
>for ants
try opening it in a new tab and zooming in
if you're a phonefag consider suicide
>>68244386
>What is that an image for ants?
Open it in a new tab.
> Also, the "race" you are talking about in terms of biology is very different from race in the political sense, which has very little to do with biology and is almost entirely composed of unfounded abstractions.
Your statement is completely redundant and I was already a step ahead. What's the point of this?
>>68244386
>3741x3887
>larger than most monitors
Click on the thumbnail you prat.
>>68244405
That's what I mean: total speciation to the point where couldn't produce fertile offspring. In order for one race to displace another, they'd have to physically annihilate them (which is always more difficult) rather than simply dilute to oblivion with mixing combined with a higher fertility rate for one group.
>tfw I don't really care if races can be 100% objectively categorised
>tfw I just don't want muh Europa taken over by sand people and dindus
it doesn't seem unreasonable to me
>>68244366
yeah there are definitely a few that aren't very pleasant on the ears but for the most part I've always felt like you guys have a much broader array of slick sounding accents than we do in the US.
>>68244479
The impression I'm getting here is that you hate /pol/, yet keep coming back.
What a sad life it must be.
>>68243811
Oh god please this
It would make the difference between a pseudo-intellectual opportunist and an actual thinking man clear as light
>>68243797
>idpol trash
That's 99.9% of /pol/
>>68243997
>>68244079
Race, as a political conception, is unfounded.
>>68244122
Humans were even capable of breeding with other hominids, there would have to be quite some evolutionary distance for that to happen. And no, I doubt that would make anything better.
>>68244670
It isn't. The ethno nationalism people like in this thread are proposing is what's poisoning this goal. Control your autists or you'll never get what you want.
>>68244479
>It isn't consistent and they just spew bullshit without backing it up
It isn't consistent because there are lots of people here while many different ideologies ranging the full gambit from libertarian to nazi to anarchist to communist. Some do spout bullshit because again there are a lot of different people here, but many don't. The ones that don't are the ones that get listen to.
Also, from the rest of your post you're just playing rhetorical games without actually getting to the meat of anything, which likely has a lot to do with why you are being dismissed for being a faggot.
>>68244745
I hate certain people on /pol/. It isn't just one person, you know.
>>68244814
>human conceptions
>unfounded
wut
>>68244814
>Race, as a political conception, is unfounded.
Yet as a physical/biological conception, it is not unfounded.
>>68244496
>What's the point of this?
We are on a political board. If you're just pointing out biological facts than there would be no point as they in of themselves do not have political implications.
>>68244814
>Race, as a political conception, is unfounded.
But we can make it scientific. You're using a strawman argument.
>>68244926
Are they getting to the meat of anything? No. How exactly am I not?
>>68245001
calm down Hume
>>68245001
Absurdity.
>>68243997
>deny evolution
You mean like most of /pol/ does?
>>68244857
>is what's poisoning this goal
>people who are against the mass immigration of non-whites into predominately white countries are what's poisoning the goal of non-whites taking over the said countries
Autism in full overdrive, congrats.
>>68244386
>And regardless, there is much greater difference between individuals than between races in regards to physical and psychological characteristics.
Hello Lewontin's fallacy. Pic related is similar to his study in which he found "more difference within than without", but instead this one used multiple variables. This way we are able to pinpoint someone's racial background with over 99% accuracy.
>>68245000
The fact that some people are more likely to get certain genetic diseases does not have far reaching political implications. Race, with all its social and political abstractions, is unfounded.
>"Every culture changes"
Why do morons always treat nigger migrations as a force of nature?
If there's a will there's a way to stop it.
>>68245031
If you want it to be scientific, talk about it in a scientific context. Politics is not that context.
>>68245045
Because for the most part you are just saying "no" and acting aloof without backing it up with anything.
>>68245164
>Race, with all its social and political abstractions, is unfounded.
>genetic low IQ and high testosterone will have no effect on the social and political behavior of certain racial groups
Hmm....
>>68245254
Science is the study of the real world. Are you suggesting that politics should be separated from the real world?
>>68245254
>what is evidence based policy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence-based_policy
go away postmodern madman
>>68245141
You're sperging it out and making about more than just MASS migration you idiot. You're really bad at this.
Jiggaboon of Amstrad got rek'd, chek'd and pack'd away back into his cuckbox.
>>68245294
I'm not espousing any one ideology. I'm just pointing out the flaws in theirs.
>>68244479
>Show me the polls
Are you too stupid to make a search on Google?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/186209/europeans-negative-toward-immigration.aspx
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/05/12/chapter-3-most-support-limiting-immigration/
>Again, here you are extrapolating again. Like I said, not everyone shares your views. Some people could be happy living in the middle of no where, others could only be happy living in the city. Your values aren't the standard for happiness you fucking sperg.
Unemployment rate in Spain (1975): 5%
Unemployment rate in Spain (2015): 20%
Objectively, people lived better with Franco, asshole.
>>68245516
That strikes me as intellectually dishonest because you're not showing your own cards.
Regardless, you aren't properly refuting anything. You are for the most part reciting dogma, saying "no" and insulting people.
>>68245159
>Lewonton's Fallacy
You just cited evidence. The other poster isn't interested in that. It's not going to change his mind. He will double down, and ignore it. I guarantee tomorrow he will go on repeating the demonstrably false meme about relative genetic diversity and pretend he doesn't know it's dishonest and based on a deliberate omission of the complete data set.
>>68236989
>4 hours
The best comment was the guy who said:
>Sargon: But what what about the principles?
>MW: The principles are irrelevant, it's the consequences which matter.
>Sargon: But what about the principles?
That's basically it. The entire debate right there. Sargon is a deontologist and idealist who has devotion to abstract principles; MWoes is a consequentialist who tries to behave and act pragmatically in accordance with the natural world as best he can. It's just left vs right condensed.
>>68236989
This is the best thread i have seen in a long time. Thanks Sargon for bringing out the ass-blasted 20 year old white males.
>muh race
>muh people
>muh homeland
>muh culture
All of the above have been destroyed by white people but who do they blame? everyone that is non-white.
>>68245573
One of those is about limiting immigration and the other doesn't differentiate between white and non-white immigration. They're not supporting your point. You said Europeans want all non-whites gone. Give me a poll of that.
>employment
>same as happiness
Again, doesn't prove your point. It also looks like you don't understand how your own economy works.
>>68245387
No, I'm taking into account the white vs non-white birth rates in European countries, years before the recent flood. The fact that you struggle with understanding concepts where you have more than one parameter shows what a simple mind you have.
>>68245877
KFC is that way, Tyrone. ----->
>>68236989
White nationalism is dumb
>>68245737
So you need to show all your credentials in order to counter something? No. That's not how it works. Also, I am refuting their arguments simply by pointing out how unfounded they are. I don't need to do more. They need to support their arguments not me. I'm also the one being insulted too, so it's not like I'm the only one doing it. This entire thread is full of bull anyway.
>>68243797
BEADY
>>68246091
No but when you are saying one persons way is wrong and implying that your way is better, to claim victory for your way without giving any information on what that is does not sit well with me.
>They need to support their arguments not me.
They are. In fact they are the only ones that are. You just throw out everything put to you with rhetorical games and flat out denial. No proper refutation at all.
>>68245879
>I-I am not capable to make a search on Google, I am too stupid.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-crisis-sweden-the-only-european-country-with-a-majority-favourable-towards-non-eu-10487466.html
In the other hand, of course, I'm sure that unemployed Spanish are so happy.
>>68245159
I'm sure if you get specific enough, you'll be able to pinpoint somebody's race using genetic markers/characteristics with relative accuracy. That has little bearing on my argument.
>>68245355
There are bigger differences of IQ and hormones within individuals of the same race than between different races.
>>68245357
saying blacks are predisposed to violence, poverty and dimwittedness is a piss poor application of science to politics
>>68245384
>postmordernism
>what is continental philosophy
Don't confuse me for a post modernist.
>>68245747
We're not talking about pure genetics, we're talking about political not medical implications. If you'd take a look at pic related, I think you'll find that the range of individuals of each race is greater than the differences in the average between races. That's the point I'm making, IQ is just one example.
>>68245891
>birth rates
How exactly is that the fault of the immigrants though? Are they forcing whites to not reproduce? You do realize that that issue would be solved if the mass migration problem were curtailed, right? Fertility rates stabilize over time among immigrants. Again, you care exclusively about race and nothing else. That's why you'll never get what you want.
>>68246513
>I'm sure if you get specific enough, you'll be able to pinpoint somebody's race using genetic markers/characteristics with relative accuracy.
Almost absolute accuracy, but yes.
>That has little bearing on my argument.
Why not?
>saying blacks are predisposed to violence, poverty and dimwittedness is a piss poor application of science to politics
Why is that? Because it hurts feelings?
About an hour in, very good talk so far.
>>68242924
>American
>>68236989
>Very hard to listen to!
I beg to differ.
I've never seen Sargon squirm so hard in my life, he's getting btfo.
>>68246369
Proper refutation in what sense? How are they providing actual evidence? Give me examples.
>>68246489
>You said Europeans want all non-whites gone. Give me a poll of that.
Show me polls that say they want non-whites gone, in general. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about white nationalism.
White Nationalism is a jewish trick to make white males focus and exclude themselves from society and the body politic at large while minorities and other fulfill positions that whites traditionally held. Meanwhile, white males retreat from society and fail to reproduce because their views are deemed fringe, and allow the jew to usurp control from white countries.
>>68236989
4 hours fuck off fag
>>68246873
Please. Clicking on your ID to see the kinds of arguments you have been having has been a pretty pathetic display.
>>68247107
Here you move the goalpost and keep upping the standards of evidence you want past the point that it likely exists in the current climate
>>68246605
You jump to "fault" when that's irrelevant.
>>68245387
Here you make a false distinction. The arguments for non-white immigration are the same ones used to justify mass immigration.
>>68244857
Here you make a claim with no backup.
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And so on.
>>68246739
jewsupurae
>>68243559
>>68243697
>>68243934
STEM meme
Doesn't like fit white birds
And Italian of all placed lmao
Reddit on point tonite.
>>68246513
Average group IQ's matter more than individual IQ's. So this is an example where evaluating (or "judging" as Sargon would say to imply negativity) groups, is MORE important than judging individuals.
>>68246513
>>68248114
PDF if you want an abridged treatment
http://mason.gmu.edu/~gjonesb/JonesADR
I made a successful thread. F
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sargon is just jealous of the white man.
everyone is!
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK CHAPS!
>>68247543
>Here you move the goalpost and keep upping the standards of evidence you want past the point that it likely exists in the current climate
He made the claim that Europeans wanted all non-whites out. He needs to substantiate that claim.
>You jump to "fault" when that's irrelevant.
It is relevant. The birth rates of whites and non-whites are not a result of the immigration. Non-white immigrants do tend to have larger fertility, I acknowledge that. He was, however, using that as an argument to claim that all non-whites need to be deported in order to maintain the proportion of whites. Take it in context.
>Here you make a false distinction. The arguments for non-white immigration are the same ones used to justify mass immigration.
That isn't always the case. There are arguments in favor of restrictive non-white immigration, you know. Not all of them advocate for mass migration.
>Here you make a claim with no backup.
Apparently this information doesn't exist, like you said. Although, it's a very easy thing to see given the current climate.
>but in all honesty
>if you believe in white nationalism
>and the preservation of the white race
>THIS IS THE WAY IT MUST BE DONE
W A T C H T H I S:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a24cOTqmp1A
>>68236989
10mins in and Sargon getting rekt so far
>you claim to be logical yet are still nationalist as fuck bro: the video
lol this is why I stopped listening to this tool months ago.
>>68248532
>He made the claim that Europeans wanted all non-whites out. He needs to substantiate that claim.
They didn't want them in the first place. Now that they're here booting them out or killing them all presents an ethical dilemma and to even suggest it is far beyond what's acceptable in mainstream political discourse. As such, you likely won't find a public poll on such things. To even attempt to compile one would be deemed racist and stopped in short order.
>It is relevant. The birth rates of whites and non-whites are not a result of the immigration. Non-white immigrants do tend to have larger fertility, I acknowledge that. He was, however, using that as an argument to claim that all non-whites need to be deported in order to maintain the proportion of whites. Take it in context.
It is irrelevant because whether they mean to or not, that is the effect. Also the suppression of the white birthrate is the result politics, mainly relating to feminism (something many immigrant communities want nothing to do with, even if "integrated").
>That isn't always the case. There are arguments in favor of restrictive non-white immigration, you know. Not all of them advocate for mass migration.
True, but they are founded on the same base. It's simply a matter if you want to take it to the logical conclusion or not. That base being that race is irrelevant and trumped by economic growth at all costs, a Nigerian is just as good as an Englishman in England and is effectively interchangeable.
>Apparently this information doesn't exist, like you said. Although, it's a very easy thing to see given the current climate.
I wasn't expecting a study or anything, just a "why" to support it.
>>68236989
>me
>wanting to listen to a 20-something retard and an unemployed 30-something whose entire shtick is rambling about the lowest hanging fruit of society
Daily reminder that 95% of debates are pointless unless it's between two academics with giant bodies of knowledge
Good luck finding a white nationalist academic, Jared Taylor is the closest thing we've got
>>68249904
>Daily reminder that 95% of debates are pointless
All debates are pointless, specifically online.
>I say x is fact
>well I say y is fact
>x deploys argument 1, 5 remaining
>y deploys argument 1, 9 remaining
You're not proving who is right, you're diagnosing the opponent's parrot capacity. Even if both parties are wrong the favored poster "wins".
Hence why /pol/ has a flock effect, abandoning threads stormweenies can't refute and immediately another thread bloats up 300 replies.
> trigger warning
>>68241067 <- This guy is right.
>>68243098 <- You're a fag.
Thanks for the post though.
>>68245737
it's called sophism
most of 4chan does it and it wastes everyone's time
but it's still fun
>>68249131
This, him and Thunderf00t are cringey motherfuckers.
WEZ AM CYNICAL LEFTIST LOGISTICIANS N SHIET
>>68238782
a drastic drop isn't good.
really you want the population to remain stable at a comfortable size.
the problem is we have an economic doctrine which requires constant growth, and they only way the money power can achieve this is an ever growing population — ofc this is completely unsustainable but the bastards don't care because they will either be dead before the squalor, civil war and mass starvations or so wealthy they believe they'll be able to shield themselves from it all.
>>68249904
Have you no pride, you spineless wimp? It's just some rambling to listen to while you browse anime. And it's only "relevant" because sargon is a relatively big name amongst the youtube community.
there are MANY white nationalists that are incredibly smart - beyond smart in fact. They just haven't come out of the shadows yet.
Just as many on pol like to hide their "power level" - it is so in the real world too.
>>68251795
ur meme sucks m8
im not a fag
you're welcome for the post
>>68242176
Both are white, you abo fool.
>>68236989
I'm not listening to 4hrs of "e-celebs" talking shit, let alone cuckkad
What were the final points?
>>68253736
>Sargon: I'm not "white" (he has admitted this before) and I think white nationalism is retarded
>MW: Soon white people will have no freedom of association
>Sargon: Cultures change.
>you will never pretend to be conservative catholic with milo and gavin, picking on the lowest hanging sjw fruit you can find, espousing "hot opinions" and repetitive talking points to a crowd of manbabbies who are either too blind or too young to know you are a liberal, degenerate, cuck shill
>>68254296
>with milo
Ruined my immersion. Nobody's that pathetic.
>>68236989
>>68237114
>>68237456
>>68237863
Stop shilling Sargon you fucking faggot cunt
Stop shilling Sargon you fucking faggot cuntStop shilling Sargon you fucking faggot cuntStop shilling Sargon you fucking faggot cuntStop shilling Sargon you fucking faggot cuntStop shilling Sargon you fucking faggot cuntStop shilling Sargon you fucking faggot cunt
>>68254296
^he's right you know
God Sargon is such a panzy fucking kike isn't he. He's one of those lot that think the free market fixes everything. Tranny sympathizing smug prick eh.
>>68254598
im not sargon.
I can;t stand him, that's why I made this thread silly
