Bernie supporters.
Genuinely curious, why do you support him? What makes viable as President?
MUH FREE COLLEGE
Trump2016
They want free shit.
Don't be stupid.
>>68176943
I can't get a job because of severe autism. Give me some NEETbux, please.
Bernie is america's sweet old grandpa, just wants everyone to be well fed and in good shape, Trump is like americas creepy uncle that touches people
inappropriately, and Hillary is like the great grandma with alzheimers that cant figure out how to send an email. Which one would you rather spend more time with?
>>68176943
FREEEEEEEEEEEE SHIIIIIIIIIIIT
>>68177603
Someone got rescued from his rapist uncle by his grandfather.
>>68176943
1) He is not a racist;
2) He stand with Black Lives Matter;
3) He does not use problematic language in his speech;
4) Free college;
5) My wife's son loves him.
>>68177603
Trump is more like a really cool uncle but I'd still rather get money even if it meant hanging out with the grandpa who's weird, smelly, and unpleasant.
>>68176943
Young people don't understand socialism, and they think it's good.
I can only hope they grow out of it
>>68177690
>>68177903
Neo-fascist trumplets detected, enjoy testing his new gaschambers for the poor and undereducated, aka /pol/
>>68176943
He actually wants to fix the encroaching problems facing the citizens of our country.
Did you notice that he has an absurd amount of support from the youth voters? Washington Post's data collection recently suggested that he has more support from 30-and-unders than Clinton, Trump, and Kasich put together.
You can shout that it's about "free stuff" and that the youth generation is "entitled" all you like, but that omits something important: they're the product of the generation that raised them.
Their parents, who were better off in their youths and could live fairly comfortable lives by putting in an honest day's work promised their children the same. "Work hard and you can achieve your dreams. You can grow up to do whatever you want."
Times have changed things, and it happened right under their parents' noses. It's a great deal harder to reach the lives that they were promised, and some of them are going into crippling debt for trying.
They were fed something that ended up not being true, and they're understandably angry that it was robbed from them by corrupt politics and corporate influence. There's one honest candidate that stands up for the things that they think are right and promises a bright future for those yet to come, and that's Bernie Sanders.
People support him because he's the one that they see as "making America great again." The one that will set things right and pave the way for more good things.
>>68176943
Because a single payer healthcare system will reduce costs, we pay more for healthcare than any country in the world because we allow private insurance, big pharma, and for profit hospitals to fuck us over.
In a single payer system the hospital can try to charge $x for a procedure but the NHS or Medicare or whatever says "you're getting $y, because that's how much we pay" and they take it or leave it.
Because we do need infrastructure repairs and upgrades and Bernie is the one candidate that has laid out an actual plan and budget to do it, and it will create jobs.
Because he's not a Zionist Shill, he is the ONLY CANDIDATE that is not going to the AIPAC convention. He's neutral to Israel and wants a 2 state solution, to give the Palestinians their own state.
Because he is going to have Marijuana removed from schedule I of the CSA, making it medically legal and letting states decide whether or not they make it fully legal.
Because he's Anti-TPP, anti NSA spying, and wants to break up the to big to fail banks and reinstate Glass Stegal.
Corporations and the ultra-rich pay a fraction of the tax rate the middle class pays. The corporate tax rate is 35%, one of the highest in the world, but profitable corporations only pay an effective tax rate of 12.6% on average.
They abuse the carried interest loophole, overseas tax havens, shell companies, and other loopholes to shift their tax burden onto the endangered middle class. Meanwhile, they're pushing for free trade agreements so they can ship jobs overseas at the cost of working Americans. They throw billions of dollars at superPACs to ensure politicians with the power to make these agreements and policies are beholden to them, not the American people.
Bernie Sanders' #1 political paradigm is to stop the extremely wealthy from controlling America and make them carry their weight. He wants to close the loopholes that help them evade taxes. He has opposed free-trade agreements like NAFTA and TPP. He has been the leading voice on campaign finance reform to overturn Citizens United and stop the rich from bankrolling elected officials.
I make $90k a year and I pay roughly a third of that in taxes. Sanders will raise my taxes slightly, but I find that an acceptable loss when it means the people and companies that make 1$ billion a year will finally have to pay their share too, in addition to the knowledge that the money will go to education, healthcare and infrastructure, instead of corporate welfare.
>>68176943
The same reason I want Corbyn here, I'll get more neetbux
>>68178677
how did you manage to write all of that and still have nothing of substance in your post?
>>68178677
So so basically Sander's supporters need to read more about socialism and economics before deciding to vote on a candidate?
You're delusional if you think most people are voting for him for anything other than "muh free stuff give".
>>68178968
>Corporations and the ultra-rich pay a fraction of the tax rate the middle class pays.
This is factually incorrect, commie.
>>68179181
How did you manage to post a response without actually thinking about what you supposedly read?
>>68179261
Given your flag, I'm going to assume that you didn't grow up in the States. Perspective is pretty important. Just as well, you yourself seem to not fully understand what socialism is.
>>68179529
Your chart is irrelevant and does not refute anything I said.
The total tax liability for each income group has nothing to do with the tax rate for each group. I asserted that the rich pay a lower tax rate than the middle class. The fact it ends up being a larger amount of money anyway does not change that.
If anything, it illuminates just how much money the rich are cheating American taxpayers of - if they paid their actual taxes and didn't abuse loopholes to dodge them, their share of federal tax liability would be even larger than that.
The Red Scare is over, McCarthy. Communists are not the enemy of America. The elite capitalists have done far more to subvert American democracy than any communist or socialist ever did.
Not like Hillary and Drumpf are any better
>>68179529
That's the % of the total tax revenue paid in by who, like, dollar amounts yes, the rich pay more. But proportionately out of their total wealth they pay less because of loopholes. Even Republicans know that.
The poor have less loopholes to use and don't have the lawyers to find them for them.. so they get smaller deductions,and end up paying higher % of their total income every year.
For instance, you have 2 single filers, 1 who makes $50k a year, another who makes $50 million a year.
The person who makes $50k a year is taxed at 25%, that's $12,500. They only know how to take the standard deduction of $6,300. That makes their taxable income about $44k, they pay in about $11,000 in taxes, or almost 22% of their total income.
Meanwhile the guy who made $50 million that year is supposed to owe 39.6% of his total income, about $20 million in taxes. But because of loopholes and tax shelters and making a considerable amount of his actual income not be considered income from work but rather from investments, he has made it so that he pays $5 million dollars in taxes.
Now he paid 450x more money to taxes than the guy who made less money.. but in proportionately, he paid 10% of his income in taxes while the guy who made less paid 22% of his income in taxes, and I can guarantee you that $5 million is felt less keenly on the millionaire's standard of living than that $11k for the lower middle class guy.
I'd like to get single payer healthcare.
I cannot wait untiI Tuesday when he gets BTFO again and I can relish in the delusion of reddit, trump sweeping would be a bonus
>>68180863
Oh, look. A Trumplet. That guy has pretty decent chances right now, unless the GOP can miraculously get their shit together and successfully block him.
Meanwhile, Sanders' game is likely to only get better as we go. The more time that passes, the more people become aware of him and his policies, a handicap that he's managed to overcome quite a bit from his practically unknown status before now.
>>68181288
a socialist will never be president of the united states
He can beat Cruz and Trump pretty soundly in an election, they've alienated too many parts of the electorate to win. And regardless, pull are starting to get fed up with capitalism, and he's the only one running who seems to genuinely care about people.
>>68181430
>Someone that believes in improving the general welfare of the country's citizens will never run the country.
Sure is delusional in here.
>>68180663
>facts are irrelevant and don't refute my feelings.
Typical bernie supporter. You do realize there are a whole lot less rich people than poor or middle class, right? Like many orders of magnitude less?
As a leftist, I know that math isn't your strong suite, but seriously, this is basic shit. The entirety of the federal tax base of this country is built on the backs of the 'elites'.
Now, the nordic countries, with their 50% income tax rate on the middle class, 25% income tax rate on the working poor, and 25% sales tax on everyone build their tax base on everyone. Of course, when sanders says we should emulate the nordic countries, he conveniently leaves that part out. Don't worry, he says, only the hated corporations and 1% will have to fund the nordic model cradle to grave welfare state that he is promising.
There is a 'socialist' country that has that sort of 'eat the rich' populist model, but it isn't in scandinavia. If you want to see bernies policies in action, look at venezuela.
>If anything, it illuminates just how much money the rich are cheating American taxpayers of - if they paid their actual taxes and didn't abuse loopholes to dodge them, their share of federal tax liability would be even larger than that.
>The Red Scare is over, McCarthy. Communists are not the enemy of America. The elite capitalists have done far more to subvert American democracy than any communist or socialist ever did.
You know. there was a time when it was far easier to tell when you were being trolled. But the fact that there is a sizable number of living breathing americans who actually think this way have taken all the fun out of trolling. These days I am forced to assume people actually mean this shit, no matter how stupid it sounds.
>>68181430
We'll see about that, bucko
>>68181582
Seems like they may plan to bring in Romney. It could be shocking enough that people forget how he got the nomination.
Can you tell me why Bernie supporters get butthurt so quickly? I posted this meme and a lot of people I knew from college flipped their shit.
>>68178677
> It's a great deal harder to reach the lives that they were promised, and some of them are going into crippling debt for trying.
You're right. Reposting Facebook articles and shilling Reddit meme-candidates while enjoying the greatest standard of living in history must be really hard for millennials.
>ITT
>>68181646
>As a leftist, I know that math isn't your strong suite, but seriously, this is basic shit. The entirety of the federal tax base of this country is built on the backs of the 'elites'.
Except its not dumbass, the highest and corporate tax rates have been going down for the last 40 years.
>>68181845
You sure did say something without using any specifics, and then paired it with some false assumptions about how I reached my conclusions.
Please. Try harder. I'd rather have some real debate than the weak shit you're putting out.
>>68181646
have another graph
>>68181972
Let's fix the problem by raising taxes on the lowest income bracket by 10%!
Honestly? Just because he's a role-model politician. He has firm positions and votes for his constituents when they want something he doesn't. He can't be bought out as easily as Shillary or Rubio.
I almost couldn't care less about his policies; I don't benefit from any of them, in fact I lose out if he gets the presidency (defense job). However, I don't really think pork-barreling our way to Mexico's standard of living is really the right direction.
That being said, Trump or Bernie 2016.
We need to restore the middle class somehow. The free market has a lot of potential and can be the most powerful economic force there is, but capitalism requires a strong middle class to be the most productive. The "greed is good" policies that came out of the 70s and 80s are a grotesque monster masquerading as capitalism, and the recent economic policies have destroyed the middle class. Income inequality is the single most important issue right now.
>>68177603
>>68178255
>>68176943
If we were in Brazil, I'd say free Mortadella Sandwiches. The dems haven't started giving them out yet, so it's anyone's guess!
>>68177859
1) Neither is Trump
2) BLM is a KKK for niggers
3) Neither is Trump
4) Going to ruin the economy. Also, he only supports free community college
5) You're wife's son is naive and retarded.
>>68181918
>implying we aren't all fed bullshit neo-liberal and capitalist propaganda in higschool
>>68182037
Considering how you came to your ridiculous conclusions without any specifics of your own, you really shouldn't be complaining about similar posts.
Shouldn't you be shilling on Facebook or something?
>>68180782
I'm reminded of the parable of Jesus talking to the disciples at the temple.
Mark 12:41-44
>41
Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts.
>42
But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.
>43
Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others.
>44
They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”
>>68177859
>stands with BLM
>problematic
>my wife's son
Either you're a subtle troll or a massive kuck. Or both.
>>68177859
I support Bernie, but nice bait
>>68176943
He cares about the little guy. I know some of his proposals are wishful thinking and don't have any basis in economics, but his heart is in the right place and I respect that he sticks to his principles. I also respect Ron and Rand Paul for sticking to their principles, so this is not a partisan thing. I like authenticity in candidates. He can't be bought. His "special interest" is regular people. Regardless of your political affiliation, we should all care about the poor and the sick.
>>68182082
The tax proposals that effect all income brackets are the ones for universal healthcare and paid leave, every dollar they get taxed they'll get back plus some.
>>68178255
lel you're a fag
>>68182369
That chart sure doesn't mean anything. Did you mean to make a point with that?
My opening post sure didn't have "facts" but it addressed an argument that often goes unaddressed. And I'm yet to see you rebut it properly.
>>68182269
Isn't it past your bedtime?
>>68182136
Free markets only help to create a middle class when there is a labor shortage, and that hasn't been the case in the US since the 70's. The same time that wages flat-lined while productivity kept rising.
>>68176943
Because he's old and friendly looking so he reminds me of my grandpa who always used to come over with gifts and presents.
>>68182082
Would you pay $500 to save $1000? Because that's pretty much single-payer.
>>68182269
Collectivism can be extremely effective if you put all the worthless people into camps and force them to make their lives valuable to society. That's how socialism always goes. Not the most ethical, but effective. Ends up collapsing though, maybe poor management or people don't like being thrown into camps? Who knows.
>>68180782
>The poor have less loopholes to use
Bullshit, the poor don't pay income taxes, at all, and typically get 'free' money out of the federal income tax system.
>The person who makes $50k a year is taxed at 25%, that's $12,500
Oh look, another bernie supporter who can't do simple math and doesn't understand how taxes actually work, and is obviously a fucking child who never paid taxes in their life.
Look, dumbass, we have graduated income tax brackets.
You pay 10% up to $9,225, 15% up to $37,450, and 25% up to $90,750. Then you got the deductions wrong. Standard deduction is $6,300, but when you grow up and aren't a child, you find out that you can claim yourself as an exemption, which is another $4,000. Now, assuming this worker doesn't have any other deductions (unlikely, due to mortgage interest deductions, payroll taxes already deducted, health care deductions, etc,) their income tax liability would work out to $5,719 in 2015, or 11.4% of their income, or about half of what you were claiming.
Get better at math and then come back and argue.
Bernie is a faggot cuck who exists to wean people onto Hillary's leathery tit.
>>68182571
>Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
>80 percent of poor households have air conditioning. In 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
>Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks.
>More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation.
>http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/09/understanding-poverty-in-the-united-states-surprising-facts-about-americas-poor
>B-but today's generation has it so hard!
Fuck off with your doom and gloom bullshit. You really have no clue what you're talking about.
>>>>>>>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/
>>68182633
Isn't it time you stopped being such a classcuck?
>>68176943
>>68178677
As an 18 yr old millennial, I can tell you the exact reason millennials support him is because a bunch of them are entitled children coming from broken households that want everything done for them.
They don't think about the sustenance of Sanders' policies; they only like his ideals. I read a recent article in the newspaper from a college kid who attended the recent Sanders rally, and in their words, they were sucked in by his idealism. They weren't even a Sanders supporter but they were caught up by the crowd mentality. And these are the kids who don't understand economic policy at all, hence why they don't think about his policies' effects.
These kids don't think. They're absorbed and distracted by their iPhones all day; Snapchat, Instagram, Twitter, Pinterest... You think these kids are reading Keynes and about the Soviet Union?
These kids are going to fuck over this country and I am ashamed to be considered among them sometimes.
Bernie has anger issues and walks out on interviews. He tries his hardest to sweep his voting record under the rug and his supporters eat it up and sincerely believe he's not a pro-Israeli warmonger that will say whatever is trending on twitter to get him votes.
>>68182949
Don't fall on your way down from mount superior.
>>68182789
Socialism is defined by relations to the means of the production. What you just described was state capitalism. It was very effective of industrializing the 2nd world, as regular capitalism was in the 1st world.
It is interesting though, that no country in the 2nd world really collapsed thanks to a foreign military, just internal strife.
>>68182909
>Things that the previous generations have been able to afford for their households and that the new one got used to having are in most homes.
Gee, that sure is true.
>More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation.
A lot of them are poor at money-managing. It's true.
Times have changed and material things are pretty quick for people to acquire, but you still haven't really addressed the other issues. The job market. College tuition and loans. The change in value of the minimum wage... So many many things that you need to get started in life are so much different now.
And honestly, if you would stop pointing me to reddit, that'd be great. Even more circlejerking goes on there than here, if you would believe it.
>>68176943
My wife's son is voting for him.
>>68183179
I only say these things because I have to contend with them every day. I'm not trying to sound like a pompous asshole, but there's a reason why /pol shits all over millenials
>>68183035
>trying this hard
He's the least imperialist candidate running
>>68176943
He's going to tax everybody to pay for everybody else's free shit, it'll work, just trust him goyi- I mean guys
>>68181972
>Except its not dumbass, the highest and corporate tax rates have been going down for the last 40 years.
First off, your graph that ends at 2008 neglected to include the top bracket tax increases of the obama administration.
Secondly, deductions used to be unlimited, these days they are more stringent. Absolutely no one payed those 70% - 90% tax rates back then.
Tax receipts as a percentage of GDP have remained fairly constant throughout the 20th century. What has shifted is the burden of those rates. The poor and lower middle class used to contribute more, but that has been all but eliminated and shifted to the rich. What you socialists don't appreciate is that our tax system has effectively become more progressive, not less, as time goes on.
>>68178255
Trump loves the less well-educated. It's you liberal cucks who think they should be gassed, though only if they're white of course :DD
>>68182172
Back to the hockey game, canatard
>>68182556
Literally every pro-trump thread I see is riddled with neo nazi posters that associate/compare his ideals with fascism, I'm not just pulling it of my ass, maybe you should go to canada as well and you and the other tard can drink a cup of maple syrup together
>>68182949
>You think these kids are reading Keynes and about the Soviet Union?
>What is market socialism?
Also, people don't have to be economists to know the current neo-liberal status quo is bullshit.
>>68183576
Actually us Liberal Cucks feel like the less educated should not take their lack of education as a point of pride, and vote for people who support a lack of education.
>>68183576
>:DD
Good thing 13 year olds can't vote
>>68183827
Yes, it is, otherwise Bernie might actually win
>>68182800
Forgot muh graph.
>>68177859
>stand with BLM
he sure does
>>68183546
>First off, your graph that ends at 2008 neglected to include the top bracket tax increases of the obama administration.
Well no shit, stimulus ain't cheap to fix the economic whole Bush and the capitalists dug for us.
Before Obama, the the tax-burden was shifted over lower classes, it's only now after people started rejecting neo-liberalism that that's changing. And its a good thing it is, had the US embraced austerity like the europoors we'd be way worse off.
>>68177201
best post first post
>>68182949
Thank you. As another 18 yr old millennial, everyone is too fucking distracted to actually do some research. And the ones that do are mostly for political correctness and don't care about the harsh reality of things. We seriously need to open up our minds and see that it's not one sided
>>68184048
This all said, why support tax systems like Trump or Cruz that end up shafting the working poor (instead of a negative income tax, they just don't have any tax burden, so no refund, so they actually make less per year), just for the benefit of the rich?
>>68183945
Bernie might actually win because he's the only canidate that actually gives a fuck about anyone besides himself.
I think you left your Make America Shit Again pin up your asshole
Vote for Bernie so we can have our first president die naturally of age in office.
>>68176943
He is going to make me university level liberal dance therapy class free. Then I can make $15 an hour at my new job.
>>68184465
Bernie never had a fucking shot. Learn how to politics and/or go back to /b/.
>>68184574
Vote for trump so we can have our 5th assassinated president in office
>>68176943
I only want to see him win so that he can bring this country to its knees.
>>68184294
>Well no shit, stimulus ain't cheap to fix the economic whole Bush and the capitalists dug for us.
Are you trolling? It's really hard to tell these days. "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company."
>Before Obama, the the tax-burden was shifted over lower classes,
No, it wasn't. Obama has done shit to reduce the tax burden on the lower classes (aside from make the bush tax cuts permanent). All he did was create a new higher 39.6% bracket. This doesn't shift the tax burden higher, as everyone in the lower tax brackets is still paying the same in taxes that they used to. It simply expands tax revenue.
>>68184465
Bernie was put into the election to create an illusion of choice he doesn't give a shit about you or anyone else. Jeez, he's been collecting a check for what 26yrs now for doing nothing. that's what he's done in his life nothing. You people are dumb as shit.
>>68184719
He's not that far behind hillary, he especially has a shot when that dumb cunt gets the criminal charges dildo shoved up her unlubricated asshole
>>68184984
Is that what it says on your trump college degree
>>68184205
>LIKE A LITTLE BAAAAABY!!!!!
>>68184446
>This all said, why support tax systems like Trump or Cruz that end up shafting the working poor (instead of a negative income tax, they just don't have any tax burden, so no refund, so they actually make less per year), just for the benefit of the rich?
Morality.
We don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem. It's not the government purpose to use taxes to redistribute wealth.
Stealing is wrong, even if they are rich.
I agree with progressive ideology. Bernie Sanders is the only progressive candidate.
>>68177201
>MUH
Dropped.
>>68176943
This video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik1AK56FtVc
>>68185129
damn...
Hate Bernie or love him, you should at least be able to appreciate his ability to put greedy Wall Street executes on blast. He was able to get this far in the campaign without taking a penny from them and other than Trump no other candidate was able to do that in recent history.
FREE STUFF!!!!!!!!!!
>>68178677
Then we should bring back the Work Hard economy. Bernie won't do that.
>>68183670
I didn't address the current neo-liberal status quo, but while we're on it, that very status quo is what ALL leftists are following in this country. SJWism, hedonism, etc. Every Lib I know that's my age constantly spouts the memes we only hear about from reddit posts or obscure videos from a college campus. It's becoming worse, and you wouldn't support Bernie if you were against this status quo. Surprise surprise, he follows the same ideas on social policy that the rest of the left does.
Also economics is important to study alongside history, which they don't understand either.
>>68184411
Exactly. Whenever I discuss these things with them, they give me this shocked expression on the level of "YOU'RE A FUCKING WHITE MALE" and just stop the conversation right there. No discourse.
>>>No, it wasn't. Obama has done shit to reduce the tax burden on the lower classes (aside from make the bush tax cuts permanent). All he did was create a new higher 39.6% bracket. This doesn't shift the tax burden higher, as everyone in the lower tax brackets is still paying the same in taxes that they used to. It simply expands tax revenue
I know, but it's no longer being shifted to the poor people.
Fucking this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vabeos-F8Kk
>>68176943
to be honest, both Bernie and Trump are tackling the same issue: removing the pressure off the middle class, but from different angles
>>68186105
expanding the tax burden != shifting the tax burden
>>68176943
I agree with Sanders on alot.
But. We simply can't afford it.
MAGA. I want a long term stabilization plan, so we can some Bernie tendecies.
But first we have to fix ourselves.
>>68186013
liberalism doesn't equal leftism. What you're talking about is what the business interests gave the liberals to go along with their agenda, its nothing but idpol and platitudes. Anti-capitalism and the worker's movement is making great strides thanks to sanders.
>>68186249
All I claimed was that the tax burden was no longer be shifted to the poor under obama.
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>>68177859
I love this b8
>>68176943
I used to be a Bernie supporter. I still like a lot of what he has to say. In my opinion, money is just a tool for a easier life, not something to be worshiped as a idle. However I do not find it soothing to think that he let a bunch of niggers push him around. Kinda worried about the fact that I actually looked deep into his financial plans, and it would send us even deeper into debt in its vanilla form.
>>68176943
Hes not Clinton.
>>68186109
>making some appeal to authority using "we duh pee-pul"
>just using the speech to attack the opposition
I couldnt watch more than 45 seconds of that shit, thpical bullshit banter that goes on at these congressional hearings, nothing more.
>>68177603
Trump is the billionaire uncle that everyone wishes to be like but talk shit about him behind his back because they're envious pieces of shit.
>>68176943
He causes the least harm. Social democracy isn't the answer, but it's better than unfettered capitalism. Accelerationism is shit. So until a worldwide socialist revolution inevitably happens, we should try and benefit the most people in the short term.
the only candidate truly fighting the kikes is, in fact, a kike. go figure.
>>68176943
I just roll a d4 every election year. This year it landed on 3, which was Sanders. The die has spoken.
>>68186523
He has to pander to idpol to get the nomination, I wouldn't worry about it long term.
>le debt meme
He's prepared to raise taxes to pay for everything. What's more, private debt is a much better indicator of a coming crisis than public debt.
>>68176943
His great care in selecting the perfect black bull for his wife has made me a Bernout!
>>68179563
>because you come from a different country, you cant possibly understand socialism
>>68186732
>So until a worldwide socialist revolution inevitably happens
>>68182193
>>68182403
You're both fucking retarded and should be banned
>>68176943
I'm in the dear God anyone but Hillary camp. With that being said, I do agree with Bernie Sanders on campaign finance reform, upgrading our infrastructure, single payer healthcare, and increasing taxes on the highest bracket. It also helps that he's the only candidate who's not a corporate shill.
>>68187070
The reason people support Bernie, especially college-aged supporters, is because they suffer from depression and anxiety.
Prove me wrong. I've yet to meet one who doesn't suffer from anxiety and sit in the dark drawing on a tablet for Deviant Art while sharing Tumblr comics about cats and depression.
>>68187115
This
Not seeing bait this obviousfor what it is should be bannable.
>>68186933
>raise taxes even more to pay for everything
that'll go over well
>>68176943
I like both Bernie and Trump, Bernies supporters are fucking beyond saving though.
>>68177603
Nah that was Ike, Bernie's the senile old man in the park who keeps talking about his old dreams and aspirations that never came to be.
>>68187328
>what are labor unions for bernie
>>68187530
>dat image
wait until you get to the punchline anon
>>68187028
That's not actually what I said or implied.
I was getting at how it's difficult for someone who hasn't spent recent decades in this country to fully understand the mentalities held and handed down between generations.
>>68187533
>sig brace
>ar500
>carbine gas
>>68179563
He's right though your post really didnt inform us of anything on his actual policies that people like
more or less just a generic young people like him because he'll make the country great again....but why is that
He stands for something. He has no ego. Everything he does, for better or worse, is for the greater good of the people he serves. I genuinely believe he cares about me.
I almost don't even care about his political views. In fact, I wish he was more conservative. But someone who makes mistakes for the right reasons is better than Hillary or Cruz who do everything for their own personal gain.
>>68187914
You're merely going by short-term emotions like a child and a woman. That's like people who say they hate Trump because he sounds like a meanie-poo.
A good leader was never a meek man.
>>68187300
I'm in the Sanders camp as well, but Trump is my second vote because he seems like he's the only OTHER candidate who isn't a corporate shill.
>>68188188
>you're just for sanders cuz of your childish emotions
>unlike me who only likes trump because he's an alpha
>>68188188
I believe our image to the rest of the world is important. The president is a figurehead who represents our entire country. If we elect a compassionate candidate, our country looks compassionate. If we look compassionate, countries will look to us for leadership.
Calling healthcare or education paid through taxes, "free stuff," is like calling an aircraft carrier, "free stuff."
I support Bernie because he supports the least of us. You know your shithead friend or cousin (in my case, several white trash cousins) who have kids who will never have an opportunity? I think for the greater good, that kid should have healthcare and the equal opportunity in a merit-based education system.
>>68188447
>countries will look to us for leadership
>looking for leadership in a country with an 18 trillion dollar debt and rising
think fiscally at this moment thats whats important or due people really think what hes gonna do will somehow drive our economy
>the year is 2020
>make $16 an hour before Bernie became president
>After becoming president, Bernie makes federal minimum wage $15
>food, gas, rent, clothing all becoming immediately more expensive, but I make the same amount of money
>can't get a better job because now 50+ million kids have free college degrees, increasing competition 100 fold
>can't get into free college because 80% of slots are reserved for people of color - if the quota isn't met by American minorities, they ship in shitskins from around the world to fill the slots
>all white collar wages plummet, especially STEM - software engineer can now only make $15 an hour, and that's only because it's minimum wage
>can't go out at night because Bernie immediately released 70% of niggers from jail after being sworn in (this is one of the campaign promises that gave him a surprise victory)
>can't go out during the day because the public space was legally classified as a 'safe zone' during daytime hours
>No cis white males allowed out during safe zone hours
>this is the future reddit chose for us
>>68176943
Take a political compass quiz, and see which candidate aligns with your political beliefs.
It's not like anyone is going to stick to every statement they make, but it gives a good idea.
All jokes aside, Bernie was the best democratic option. Now we are stuck with 4 years of Hillary, no point in being in denial about it.
>>68176943
I support and voted for Sanders in my primary specifically because;
His plans could be equivalent to FDR's IF (IFIFIFIFIFIF BIG IF HERE) executed correctly. Leveling the field for higher education tuition will allow people to save in their undergrad and push for higher degrees in their field and lighten the blow there.
Healthcare is important. Some freak accidents happen and people should be covered under it. For example, if I didn't have health insurance, I would be $500k+ in debt because of a vein issue in my head I could have done nothing to prevent and with no known direct cause a doctor could have identified.
Character. He's running a rather clean campaign. I like that.
He's not perfect, not by any means, but if his plans play out in the best case scenario, we'd have a bright future. It'll take a bit from everyone to make it work, but it'll be worth it.
>he doesn't get the dem nom
Fuck this country, then, I wanna see how our overlord Trump will lead the white man back to his former glory.
My questions; has Sanders ever voted to reduce the size and scope of government, or has he ever voted to reduce government spending in general that was not just against a particular government action (like a war)?
He's the only canidate that wants to fix income inequality and has a plan to do it. It's actuaily a terrifying issue and kotch brothers/Adleson Republicans fight tooth and nail to maie inequality worse.
>>68188682
It doesn't matter how far in debt we are. China loans us money because they are investing in our ideas. America still leads in technological innovation, and those innovations eventually make their way into China and increase their quality of life. If we keep our people intelligent, we can continue this cycle.
Guess how we continue our leadership in innovation. Yup. An educated workforce. Now guess which candidate believes in everyone being entitled to secondary education.
>>68177859
>1) He is not a racist;
>2) He stand with Black Lives Matter
>>68187887
Admittedly, my first post answered the initial question of "why do people support him," without giving any direct examples of policies. Instead, I posted a complex observation that considers why he even has support at all.
As for his policies that people support, he centers his campaign around one main one while also plugging away at others that people agree with. The central concept is economic reform, in which he wants to gradually raise the minimum wage to $15 so that it is a proper "living wage" again, put a tax on stock trade in order to both help fund free public college/university tuition and damper riskier trades like the ones that can allow for the wealthy to gamble with the economy, the re-implementation of Glass-Steagall (which was repealed in Bill Clinton's time in office, despite the opposition of his own Secretary of Labor) in order to cut down on risky investment banking that was a leading cause of the massive crash in housing during the late 2000s, and closing tax loopholes that are more readily available to the corporate welfare.
In addition, he wants energy reform, to create jobs rebuilding the country's infrastructure (which is becoming so terrible that examples exist of engineers building platforms under bridges to catch falling debris so that it doesn't crush cars driving underpass), and to switch to a single-payer form of universal healthcare in a fashion with an increase in taxes (saves the average American money on it anyway).
That doesn't cover all of his policies, but it covers the biggest ones that he's built his platform on.
>>68186706
Would you suck off your rich creepy uncle's dick for a million dollars? Some people would say yes. But would you pay your creepy uncle a million dollars to suck his dick? That's trump. There's a small clump of neurons in your head called your brain. Use it to think about that.
>>68187530
You should consider listening to trump talk at a rally if you want to hear someone that sounds like theyre going senile
>>68177603
>Trump is like americas creepy uncle that touches people
No that is Biden
>>68188682
Private debt is always a much bigger problem than public debt, and right now, China has a massive problem with private debt. It won't be long before they have devastating recession, and the USofA will stay on top for a couple more decades to come, even if they aren't pretty.
>>68189073
>keep our innovation
>making colleges free
>makes obtaining jobs more and more difficult since college degrees today are worth shit as is
>people start to look outside the country for work
>the educated begin to leave and migrate
Ive considered becoming an expat myself as is but thinking of the tech industry I dont see why people wouldnt start leaving the country in larger numbers when they already are
>>68189256
Hitler was a massive capitalist shill, do you know how much privatization of industry occurred under his watch?
>>68189831
Answer: the US has the largest pool of capital in the world, no place has more investors.
Also, implying having a highly educated populace won't cause more enterprises needing high skills to come to the US. We already can't compete in unskilled labor, high skilled labor is all we have left to offer.
>>68189515
I want you to fly to japan right now, travel to fuji mountain, and then hang yourself in the aokigahara forest so your rotting body will fall to the floor and the trees will consume your nutrients
>>68189831
Manufacturing is dead, retard. The future of America lies in technology. And you need an educated workforce to staff technology oriented jobs. Saying an educated workforce will tank our economy is just blatant stupidity.
>>68188682
>looking for leadership in a country with an 18 trillion dollar debt and rising
$19,188,228,962,810.34 and rising
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current
>>68190292
Good thing what you want doesn't matter
>>68189210
well personally as I stated to another individual the free college doesnt help everyone it perpetuates a current problem and then exacerbates it
>college degrees are currently worthless almost
>more people with degrees make them meaningless
>people have lower chances of job security out of college
>lower salary due to competitive hiring
also the
>living wage
doesnt help anyone it just raises prices on everything because people can raise prices and still get people to pay for housing and material goods, is he gonna restrict commercial good pricing? housing? where does the line get drawn then?
>universal healthcare
coming from a family that all worked in healthcare and family friends who also were in the field, Ive never been more disgusted with the lack of knowledge people have regarding doctors/optometrists/dentists and nurses
free healthcare only exists with a huge cost and not to just from taxes but in the actual care of physicians give as well as teh amount and quality of doctors. Since the ACA started popping in more and more private practices are falling to aurora and larger medical groups due to no coverage by the new insurance plans. People in general no longer want to become doctors en mass due to the strict schooling it takes to become one let alone the lack of payout to doctors who now get shittier hours and even less patient exposure
Its truly sickening so unless the path becomes changed to become a doctor I dont feel universal healthcare is a worthy course in our country at the moment, less we want to see less doctors in the states
>>68183430
I think that would be Jill Stein or Gary Johnson.
>>68190679
Good thing you will never feel the soft caress of a real female and your genetics will not pass
>>68176943
he is too radical for any of his policies to pass congress, he is a wasted vote
>>68176943
They want free shit. They're that stupid.
>>68190710
>implying the green and libertarian parties are anything more than memes
>>68186387
But we're talking about neo-liberalism, which is almost entirely associated with leftism today.
>>68190312
>manufacturing is dead
man I dont know where I implied manufacturing as the only job that u can get without a degree that pays well, cause I didn't
and there are plenty of jobs that you can find success in by just learning trades or by starting yourself
also you're not refuting my point in any way but thanks for the ad hominem argument
>>68190805
Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
>>68190292
Best time to go to mount Fuji is the winter.
>>68177603
Why can't berniebros stop talking about Trump? Do they fantasize about sucking his dick?
>>68190704
I disagree with you on more people having degrees making them meaningless. They only become meaningless if people are selecting degrees that aren't going to help them produce or do anything. Hopefully if everyone has the opportunity to go to college tuition-free, they will commit to degrees that they actually want instead of just pushing themselves through with junk degrees so that they have one. Honestly, some people should be looking at entering trades instead.
Raising the minimum wage is actually helpful for the economy, because it increases the spending power of people at the bottom. Consumerism, yes? If people can afford more and better quality goods, then they will buy them.
Your insight into the medical field is good to bring to the discussion, since a lot of people don't have that. Surely though, universal healthcare would benefit a lot of people that otherwise can't afford it, which makes it an important thing to aspire to, even if that time isn't now. It seems from what you're talking about, we may have some policy-based issues, but otherwise wouldn't universal healthcare create an increased demand for doctors?
>>68189257
Bernie doesn't have 8 years left in him, maybe 4. And that's a big maybe.
>>68178945
So if gets keked by hilary you are going trump? Because what you wrote is very close to what he says
>>68188852
I have yet to get an answer to my question, so I have to assume he never has, and if that is true than we can gauge his future actions on his past actions.
>>68191553
He's younger and more lively than about half of the Supreme Court justices.
>>68191595
He's only a few years older than Trump and he looks 90.
>>68191031
If The GOP elects Paul Ryan or some Cuckservative over Trump when we have a brokered convention. And Trump runs independent. And should Sanders catch up to Hildebeast in pledged delegates but get cucked by the DNC at the convention. Theres a shot for those third parties ....with a broken dem and repub parties. I know it's not gonna happen but it's my fantasy.
>>68191160
>being this ignorant about what neo-liberalism is
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
It's right wing economics. Capitalism with all the Keynesian and Social Democratic reforms stripped away.
>>68191176
It does. Trust me.
>>68191196
I don't think that person should wait
>>68191375
You should walk outside and read your post out loud. Shout it. Maybe you'll reallze how stupid it sounds, although considering you're a trump supporter, i doubt it. But its worth a shot
>>68178945
Bernie is controlled opposition for Hillary. He just wants your donations. If he was a threat they would do non stop bad media reports on him. If he was a threat to the establishment like you faggots think he is.
>>68191654
Trump also makes himself look orange. What's your point? He's probably doesn't look as good without all of his make-up and groomers.
>>68191818
Alright. Glad I could help.
>>68191654
Looks aren't everything. Mr trump shows us that even if you look like an oompa loompa you could be a canidate. Bernies got some fight in him and a sharp mind for an old looking guy
>>68191881
>If he was a threat they would do non stop bad media reports on him.
The media antagonizes him by ignoring him and belittling any time that he accomplishes anything. The other candidates won't attack him in media because his record is better than theirs. He proves it every time Hillary tries to call him out at a debate and he turns the tables.
>>68176943
>why do you support him.
Because he is the only candidate who even is remotely close to my personal political philosophy
>what makes him viable as President
1. HE HAS MORE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED FOR HIM THAN TRUMP(MORE PUBLIC SUPPORT)
2. HE HAS THE HIGHEST FAVORABILITY RATING OF ALL THE CANDIDATES IN THE RACE
3. HIS ECONOMIC POLICIES WOULD HURT IN THE SHORT TERM BUT WOULD BE BETTER IN 10 YEARS THAN ANYONE ELSE BY FAR.
>>68191496
>raising minimum wage is helpful for the economy
it would be but when everyone gets the pay raise then everyone gets charge more so it generally evens itself out right there, thats mostly the problem
>universal healthcare is generally good
I mean no one wants to say people should just go and die, and people dont there are hospitals that will take you and save your life from a car crash regardless of insurance or not
In a perfect world people should have free healthcare yes, but then there would also be free food and our power wouldnt be dependant on fermented dino bones
the biggest problem though u mentioned
>They only become meaningless if people are selecting degrees that aren't going to help them produce or do anything
look at how many stupid people are currently in college and eat up graphic art degrees, womens studies, african studies, history, writing
not to knock history or writing but neither are buzzing with job prospects, so unless we implement a German style education system of forcing people into certain roles early on to make sure they become where they may or may not fit Free college becomes pointless in a sense
>>68192368
Again, raising wages doesn't necessarily raise the cost of goods. More buying power means that goods will be more consistently bought, which means that raising prices would just move less goods again. Nobody wants that. The market wants to sell, sell, sell at a stable, profitable rate.
I'm going to agree to disagree with you on how degrees are viewed and how to deal with public education, but this time it's because my background is actually in education. We should be working to make sure that degree programs help outfit people for practical use of their fields though, which some humanities do poorly or not at all; but again, some of those fields are only being studied by people who want an easy, fast degree just so that they can say they have one without spending longer time exploring their options and putting themselves in debt because they don't know what to do with their lives.
We should be exposing people to trades and fields that they might be interested in at a younger age, but we don't need to fully lock people onto tracks. We just need to make sure that people understand vocations and the applications of subjects.
>>68177859
get a load of this cuck guys.....
Because the top .1 percent have more money than the bottom 50%
He is cutting military spending so that we don't spend 1 billion dollars developing a new fighter jet
He's not a joke candidate deep in wall street's pockets (Shilary)
Even if he stands by bullshit matters like blm he still has a stronk economic plan
>>68193462
dammit RMS.
The slogan on that sign is so inane.
>>68192186
You are insane.
>>68193462
>He is cutting military spending so that we don't spend 1 billion dollars developing a new fighter jet
But Bernie supports funding the f35 which is estimated to cost 1.2 trillion.
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24583-bernie-sanders-doubles-down-on-f-35-support-days-after-runway-explosion
>>68179181
Kek
>>68193228
>raising wages doesnt raise cost of goods
but it does increase the cost of living in an area, take a look at San Francisco as a primary example
Also to not realize that a company like apple who already makes enough as is by selling overpriced shit wouldnt increase their prices to flow with the rise in consumerism and moving currency is kinda silly
>exposing people to trades and fields
I truly agree with this statement, I couldve taken up welding pretty easily with my background but always felt a degree was more necessary and safer in a sense
>>68176943
>>68186732
>So until a worldwide socialist revolution inevitably happens
>>68191561
But it's not.
Trump is Pro Israel. Trump said nothing about the war on drugs, Trump is pro NSA, pro torture, would have our military commit WAR CRIMES by killing family members of ISIS (even if they've never committed a crime), has said nothing about breaking up banks or reinstating wall street regulations, his healthcare plan isn't single payer, it's "free market will fix everything" which doesn't happen because the "competing" companies would rather screw over US than screw over each other (as it results in higher profit than a race to the bottom), he's said nothing about upgrading and repairing infrastructure (except for the fucking meme wall)
I don't see how they're similar in the slightest, and are polar opposites on several things.
>>68177981
What is socialism? Sorry I'm a victim of the American education system and I want to be better informed.
>>68194792
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8zJZDRwmEg
Socialism is a boot stamping on a human face - forever.
>>68194792
Worker ownership of the means of production. The most simple form of socialism, market socialism, would be every enterprise being a co-op.
>>68194664
1. He's pretty neutral about Israel
2. Boohoo muh Geneva convention
Geneva con is bs. You think ISIS entered that contract? Hahahaha. You win wars by killing civilians. That's the truth. We need multigenerational submission if we actually want to eradicate them otherwise they just keep popping up.
>>68195741
what an interesting video
>>68185129
he's around 1000 delegates behind, retard.
>>68176943
This is essentially the empty logic of the average Bernfags.>>68194105
1.7 trillion isn't even remotely enough money to give "free college", especially considering that's 1.7 million over a decade. We'd be spending a trillion a YEAR to give people free college.
Even after a budget is established, how do we decide who gets that free college? Are we really going to waste it on art and social grads?
Are we really going to expect anyone besides non-theoretical STEM majors to get free college?
I'm already shaking my head at all the "calculus" majors wasting the precious unemployment budget over people with families who were forcibly ejected after X years because of company cuts.
>>68177859
> wife's son
Bernie supporters really are cucks
>>68197070
It's a meme you dip
How do Bernie supporters justify this savage behavior?
http://youtu.be/2q6jHad-XG0
>>68196734
In January, the Sanders camp was putting out an estimated cost of around 75 billion dollars per year. 1.7 trillion would, in that case, be comparatively quite a few years of free college.
>>68193673
Not him. But nothing he says sounds insane
>>68176943
>>68176943
Because I would rather have my tax dollars going to infrastructure, education, and healthcare than anything else.
Also it would be nice to work less than 60hrs a week and still be able to feed my son.
He's the only anti-government surveilance candidate in either major party.
Genuinely curious, have you ever read 1984? Do you want to live in a police state?
>>68198216
You mean your wife's son
>>68198511
My [adopted] son
>>68196541
750 is not quite 1,000 mr moosefucker, but he would need to perform very well in order to climb over that bitch, yes. If he does win, it would be by a very small margin, but the whole race is stacked against him, unless some sort of event causes hillary to be knocked off her ass, which is possible considering all the shady shit she does
>>68196141
Murdering women and children are not what the US is about. Collateral damage is one thing, intentionally assassinating people based on being a family member is out of the question.
>>68176943
>>68176943
His cuck talk makes my dick hard, that's why I support him.
>>68199110
oh yes only 750 delegates behind. they're is no way he can lose now!
Our generation is going to turn into something akin to Japan's "lost generation." An entire generation simply left behind with no choice then to work minimum-wage jobs. We will never have the economic opportunities that our parents had.
I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries during 2008 and 2012, the year I graduated highschool. I was just as infatuated with the ideals of free markets/limited government as you guys are about trump. Maybe minus the racist part but I get the conservative view and why people are attracted to it.
But then the reality of a crashing economy, school tuitions doubling in the span of a few years, and working minimum wage jobs where your employer really doesn't give a shit about you. But probably the thing that really got to me was the people with families scraping by like this. Here I am some 20 something year old holding this job with pretty much no major responsibilities, and then you got people supporting a family on this kind of shit. I had coworkers that requested they get less hours simply so that they could qualify for welfare. That shit just isn't right man
So then I begin to think, "well how did my parents do it? how did they manage to enter gainful employment" But anybody that does this pretty quickly learns shit just is not relevant in this economy.
When you look back on the economy our parent (the baby boomers) inherited, it was the post war economy. When the government invested huge amounts of public funds into nearly every sector of the economy, and we wonder why the fuck we can't get a decent fucking job. I just want something like what our parent had man and Bernie is the one advocating for it
>>68200643
Amen, you nailed it. I think the problem with /pol/ is that they stigmatize liberals way too much. Liberalism has always had the more progressive ideas, it was just the means of implementation that was argued. Everyone here wants the same things, they just can't see how imposing major fiscal policy could do this. I think this is a cultural corporate invention that needs to be debunked, and it is being debunked. We may not win this one, but we sure as hell won't lose the next one.
>>68200643
The reality is, nobody should be breaking their backs for a decent place to live. In a country where the resources are so allocated, to punish people for cultural and intellectual differences is madness. We need a new standard and socialism is what's working right now. Give everyone a decent standard, and the macroeconomic effects will be tremendous.
He's extremely honest, Trump fags like Trump for his meme magic and because he talks shit but that's all he has. He's just a spoiler candidate for Hillary and Hillary is fucking over any contender to her presidency. Because Sanders is so close, she's doing everything in her power to rig it, the DNC is with her on it, I want real progressive policies not more corporate faggotry and paid for candidates. The only reason /pol/ and 4chan are behind Trump is because /pol/ and 4chan are a death cult. /pol/ is ridiculously right wing to the point that they are a borderline hate group, which is fine, but it leaks everywhere.
>>68178255
>undereducated
Classist bourgie pig. You will be the first sent to the re-education camp by the proletariat when the revolution comes. You flaunt your privilege like an opressor, it must corrected or you are an enemy of the people.
>>68201321
>We may not win this one, but we sure as hell won't lose the next one
Oh for sure, what we see with trump now you will see 10x next election cycle with democrats. I view the Ron Paul movement as the precursor to this Trump thing, and Bernie's is way bigger than Ron Paul was back then.
>>68201540
Lol ur id is gay buttfucker
>>68200643
>When the government invested huge amounts of public funds into nearly every sector of the economy
IT WAS A WAR ECONOMY. WORLD WAR BECAME COLD WAR. We had a war on terror, but hippies couldn't stomach that, so now we have socialism.
>>68201321
>I think the problem with /pol/ is that they stigmatize liberals way too much
I think your problem is you're way too new and you need to lurk until we have a /pol bookthread. You sound way too bluepilled, like you got a 4-year degree then read the economist and washington post to maintain the delusion ever since.
Here, get to work:
> https://mega.nz/#F!B4dB2SzQ!h_pMC30v2a_y31iD0dy0sg
Some easy listening while you read:
>- Ricardo Duchesne
https://youtu.be/FdjQpQWyff0
>- Tomislav Sunic
https://youtu.be/gQYT-R53RVo
>- Paul Gottfried
https://youtu.be/GQrPkvDqvRY
>- Byron M. Roth
https://youtu.be/g8_HNxsjcKk
>- Jonathan Bowden
https://youtu.be/aR4MvD9IEAE
>>68201540
>He's extremely honest
He starved a million children to death in Iraq in the 90s. Has he told you about that yet?
How about his lockstep 97% voting record of agreeing with Hillary Clinton?
How about forty years of doing literally nothing in office?
He's not honest. He's a lying mass murderer.
>>68183203
I'm mad. Fucking commie. I bet she regrets fighting for the Communist.
>>68202699
I got dubs too.
I don't understand why people like him to be honest.
Funneling power to the government is more often than not a very bad idea.
>>68201540
>He's extremely honest
It's easy to be honest when you free ride on your party and come from a hippie district that vote you in because you sound nice. Competance is often a bit uglier, but why vote for that when you're sheltered and just care about how nice and ideal a "person" someone is.
> http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad
> http://theantimedia.org/bernie-sanders-elephant-in-the-room/
Politicians sell you a product, not a truth. You need to learn to be sophisticated enough to see the truth behind the advertising.
>>68182949
>>68184411
reddit pls go
I'm also not confident in his ability to handle high pressure situations. His record in the Senate has been mediocre and, if /pol/ hasn't misinformed me, he seems to be a bit uncongenial.
>>68177859
8/10
He usa only hope of green energy when that happens all oil will fall to lows and we can stop giving a shit about the middle east oil and the middle east at all.
the middle east is biggest waster of mankind time it basically a INTJ trigger word.
>>68200643
Trump and Bernie offer competing plans to deal with job-scarcity. Bernie's is to raise taxes across the board, and increase government spending on handouts across the board. Trump's is to reduce competition for jobs by curtailing outsourcing to cheap labour in Asia and curtailing insourcing of cheap labour from Latin America.
I find Trump's plan more convincing.
Essentially, Bernie wants to give you a fish, Trump wants to give you the opportunity to fish.
>>68176943
You are WEAK. You BEG for enslavement, you BEG!!!
>I find Trump's plan more convincing.
That's because has an actual plan. Bernie has appeals to sentimentality and "x should be y" soundbytes.
I like that he's fishfood for Trump
>>68203187
>increase government spending on handouts
This is supposed to be a good idea?
Can someone explain the logic behind this way of thinking?
>>68176943
He's the only real anti-establishment candidate.
He'd put the US more in line with real first world countries like Canada, Australia, & Europe.
The idea that voting for a billionaire to avoid corrupt politicians is retarded. All you're doing is cutting out the middle man. Especially since Trump didn't even earn his wealth he inherited it.
>>68203331
It's not a good idea, but I was speaking to people who think it's a good idea.
>>68203331
It goes something like this
>ugaa bugga gib me datttt
>the guys in suit are evuuulll 4 making me work
>>68177603
>creepy uncle that touches people inappropriately
There something you'd like to share? This is an anonymous image board so you're free to open up, pol is a board of peace
>>68203394
Wtf is the "establishment" its like some shit maymay that's spouted off
>>68203331
>>68203501
Also,
>zippery zap I need to get paid CEO's wage for flipping burgers or it is the oppression of da honest working class by da evullll kapitalists.
>>68203394
>He's the only real anti-establishment candidate.
Sanders has done an unconvincing job of being one.
Honestly, he seems like controlled opposition judging by how he handles against Clinton.
Also, his statement on white poverty from a few weeks ago was utterly retarded. It's like he hasn't paid any attention to the political climate.
>Especially since Trump didn't even earn his wealth he inherited it.
Trump didn't "inherit" his wealth, although he did have a lot of help from his father. However, breaking into the Manhattan real estate business is still quite a feat and his record as a developer is impressive.
>>68203501
That's a bit of an oversimplification. There has to be some good reasoning behind it.
>>68203673
The corrupt oligarchy that America ironically accuses the Russians of having despite the fact that the US has the same but more powerful.
The US govt spends the most on Healthcare for the worst service, life expectancy is lower than 3rd world shitholes like Lebanon by years, & 21% of American adults are illiterate.
This is all because your politicians sold you out for Corporate interests like good goyim
>>68177603
Not an argument
>>68176943
1. Free College
2. Free Heathcare
3. DUDE WEED
4. Pro Gay
5. Pro Choice
6. Anti-War
7. Anti-Spying
8. Anti-TPP
9. Not Racist
10. Anti- Citizens United
11. Raise Taxes on Wealthy and Close Tax Loopholes
12. Not as anti-gun as Hillary
>>68203680
Are you actually Vietnamese or are you an expat?
I thought Vietnam was a communist nation.
>>68203846
Socialism is about dividing the haves from the have-nots and using that as its driving force to usurp power. Socialism aims to do what government already does but the "right way". It will increase the state, taxes, and regulations. The reasoning behind all this is that the people doing it will be of a better kind than those now.
>>68203846
Sanders comment on the white thing was retarded.
Trump did inherit all his wealth. Had he invested his inheritance in the S&P500 & not work a day in his life he'd be wealthier than he is. That means the lifetime value of his labour is $0. Which is worse than most Nig nogs.
He's a joke. America has a lot of incredible billionaires. He isn't one of them. He's a stupid man child. He's turned the US into an international joke.
