We'll /pol/
>>68142327
Too busy trying work and survive to properly analyse what all is going in the political landscape. Their opinions are formed for them.
Why do liberals feel entitled to things they haven't earned and will never earn?? If you cannot find a way to live comfortably on $7.25 an hour you're a piece of shit idiot who deserve to die.
Besides that there wouldn't be any jobs with Hernie Panders policies.
You know what policies also help the white and poor ? Theft and fraud. Grocery bill too high ? Just shoplift from Walmart, they can take it. Don't qualify for aid ? Just lie about your situation.
>>68142327
"if you're white you don't know what it's like to be poor you don't know what it's like to live in the ghetto "
-bernie sanders
>>68142327
Sanders policies don't benefit anyone. All socialism does is punish success
>>68142327
We were raised to believe that taking from others is wrong.
>>68142327
But Bernie said I don't know what it's like to be poor.
>>68142327
Some people consider things other than self interest.
>>68142327
>giving a shit about economic issues
Nice one sheckelburg. Go preach your unvirtuous ideologies(capitalism and socialism) elsewhere.
Also government-endorsed quotas aren't helpful for the working class. Spics and arabs don't work factory jobs.
>>68142327
I guess some people are more concerned with prosperity of their nation than possibility of being a jobless leach sucking money out of it.
>>68142916
Self interest is the basis of capitalism.
>>68142905
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>>68142327
>GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING RETARDS AND WE HATE YOU FUCK YOU BUT PLEASE VOTE FOR OUR GUY BECAUSE WE'RE TOTALLY THERE FOR YOU
>how do we reach out to these people?
>I know, let's demonize their lifestyle
Imagine someone unironically made one of these for black people that voted hillary
Yeah OK f a m thats cute
Maybe if the Democrats weren't constantly shitting on the white working class (Such as in this picture) they would have more support
>>68142327
They don't. Thinking Bernie represents the interests of the working class is myopic.
In the short term it may offer marginal improvements to their life but the resulting collapse of society from socialistic policies would quickly overshadow it.
In short; you're a dumb kid that doesn't understand how the world works and voting for Hernie would make the lives of most Americans far worse in the long term.
You may now return to high school.
>>68142327
>Policies would help me
>>68142327
>imblying Cletus and Tyrone want to embrace Socialism AKA Communism Lite
Just keep printing out EBT cards
>>68142327
>Why do retards still support "Muh Socialism"?
FTFY.
>>68142327
Because a nation isn't just about mememe.
>>68142327
>hating on pizza rolls
>>68143350
>tfw 55k
i should move to america, 170/m buys a lot of dragon dildos
>>68142327
I don't trust the government enough to control my life from cradle to tombstone. They don't vote for them because they are American.They value freedom before security.
Also, Bernie is a loser who has never had a real job, his understanding of economics is equivalent to a fourteen year old school girl.
>>68143899
> being a fatass dyel who eats pizza rolls
>>68144101
>not bulking on pizza rolls and code red
nogains.tiff
>>68143899
>doing it for free
>>68144153
Nah , I bulk on Tyson chicken nuggets and bufflalo wings
>>68142327
so these people hate christianity?
>>68142327
>have job at Old Navy
>earn $12 an hour (thanks Bernie!)
>get paycheck
>40% of it is missing
>"This is bullshit! I quit"
>quit job and live on welfare because it pays more
>don't move up in the world because there is no incentive to
Socialism = No incentive to work
>>68142327
Because the white man does what is right, not what is going to give them immediate gratification. I don't expect the lesser races to understand this, I just hope they some day see the error of their ways.
>>68142327
Taxing the middle class out of existence to give every highschool dropout a college degree isn't in my interests.
>>68144848
>legalize assisted suicide so terminally ill, mentally ill (including and especially trannies) and guilty old fogies kill themselves
>the useless people get fat and then depressed when their microbiome gets out of whack, decide to off themselves
>useless druggies spend all the money on drugs and OD, but the paramedics are overburdened and burning out so they don't get to them in time so the druggies die
I don't see the problem here. In fact, we should bring in mincome to accelerate this outcome.
>>68144848
>have job at Old Navy
>get treated like shit by boss
>get fired after he finds out you browse /pol/
>"This is bullshit!"
> live on welfare because I can do whatever I want and noone will care
>don't work because there is no incentive to
Capitalism = No incentive to work
FTFY
>>68142327
>white and poor
Silly idiot, didn't you get the memo? It's impossible to be white and poor.
>>68145565
well maybe if you didn't expose your power level to your boss, you would be fine
Also, welfare should only exist if you are physically unable to work
>>68142895
This
though I'm not poor anymore
>>68142327
Trumptards will simultaneously complain that minimum wage jobs don't pay enough but are against raising the minimum wage.
I've never seen this level of mental retardation.
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>>68146268
Have fun working 2 hours a week for $15 an hour lmao
>>68146268
My complaints are that full-time jobs are non-existent for people in my generation, and all these bullshit interviews you need to do to get into professional programs are preventing borderline autists like me from accessing training that will allow me to work a satisfying job that will allow me to contribute to society and support a family. I don't give a flying fuck about minimum wagecucks.
>>68142905
>>68146628
Obama job creation is 95% full time actually.
>>68146268
>A new analysis of government data shows that two-thirds of the net increase in employment since President Obama took office has gone to immigrant workers, primarily legal immigrants. Although the level of new immigration overall has fallen, legal immigration remains very high. While economists debate the extent to which immigrants displace natives, the new data make clear that there is no general labor shortage in the United States. This analysis calls into question the wisdom of bringing in more than a million new legal immigrants each year at a time when the employment situation remains bleak.
http://cis.org/who-got-jobs-during-obama-presidency
He created jobs, but not for natives. He basically told us to fuck off and die.
>>68142327
Because I want to keep my job
>>68146783
Show me the graph that goes all the way back to the Clinton administration with a lower floor for the Y axis
it's about nationalism
>>68142327
Some people vote because they believe the candidate will be good for our country's future. Some people vote because they will get free stuff for themselves at the expense of their own country. Selfishness is indicative of immaturity.
>>68146783
>124,000
>out of 300 million
How does that compare to full-time employment levels as a proportion of the population before 2000?
Lots of people are not class conscious.
Trump:
Millionare since birth
Joined dads rich family buisness
Has his own business ventures
Including casinos and foreign investments
Uses the bankruptcy system while a millionaire
TV star
Married 3x
Bought miss universe pageant
(You)
:::Autism::: HES LIKE ME!
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>>68147128
He's a symbol of American success. There are plenty of people who would have blown all that money on drugs.
>>68146789
fucking REKT AAA+ post
>>68147059
this this this
the left/right axis is now defined by globalist/nationalist sentiments.
So-called "right wing" is nationalist and patriotism. Sometimes civic nationalism and sometimes ethnic nationalism. Sometimes a mix of both.
So-called "left wing" is globalist and pro-open borders and supranational entities. Does not endorse any form of nationalism, whether civic, ethnic or both.
GAS THE GLOBALISTS, NATION STATES NOW!
>>68147128
I don't think he is like me.
I want to be like him; successful.
It is sad that people see success as "If I am not successful, no one else should be". They are looking at it all wrong.
>>68147440
On paper yes, but in practice they are both Globalist because it's a pro corporate stance
>>68147128
>Wants his candidates to be like them
So you want someone with a Freshman year college education?
>>68147629
You're missing the fucking point.
I'm not saying that the people currently considered "right" or "left" fit that perception.
I'm saying a much better perception to use is to consider ALL globalists to be "left wing" and consider ALL nationalists to be "right-wing"
>>68146990
Obama wasn't president during the clinton administration.
>>68147125
Here is a chart of full time and part time. You will see that under Obama, all the growth has been in full time.
Obama wasn't president in 2000.
He's President from Jan. 20th, 2009 to Jan. 20th 2017.
>>68147128
He was and I believe still is, a limousine liberal. Regardless, I think Dubya was far more succesfull in that regard. An Ivy Educated, Skulls and Bones member who came from Old Money managed to convince people that he was a "down to earth guy whom you can have a beer with"
Give the devil his due, he is a perfect actor.
>>68142327
Culture trumps economics. White liberals have never understood this, which is why they rage about losing the south (and, for Bernie Sanders, the black vote).
I love the fact that it's been, what, 30 years? And they're still asking this question.
>>68147911
I want to see the jobs before Obama to see if your argument is valid.
>>68147800
I don't get the point of a Right/Left divide when they're both pro-corporate anyways. No one will close down borders because it's bad for business. What's the point of voting for a guy that says he will but never do it anyways. Or do it but add in some loophole for business like work visas so nothing changes anyways
>>68146789
Native-born employed is up actually.
Don't forget that 10,000 NATIVE-BORN American baby boomers are retiring every single day.
“Each day,10,000 baby boomers retire and begin receiving Medicare and Social Security benefits.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/07/24/do-10000-baby-boomers-retire-every-day/
>inb4 Newborn American babies are unemployed! Fucking Obama!
>>68148135
I said
>Obama job creation is 95% full time actually.
Of course it's valid. I have already proven it.
Agreed?
>>68144848
You just described half of my countrymen
http://nypost.com/2016/03/19/why-its-time-for-a-trump-revolution/
>>68142747
The day he said that I saw 4 homeless white people at freeway exits asking for handouts.
>>68148286
your graphs don't even go back to 2008. You need context. Have you ever taken a class in graph theory?
>>68148191
How dare Americans complain about being forced to settle for part-time McJobs?
>>68142327
>I'm an upper middle class white hipster who hates my Boomer parents and the 1% but the first insult I'll use against anyone who disagrees with me is to call them poor white trash
>promoting an FTT
>helping ANYONE
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>>68146268
>more part minimum wage jobs than anything else
>good
>>68142327
>Let's shit all over these stupid hicks and everything they hold dear
>Why won't they vote for us?
>Implying it is in my interest for the economy to stop growing like in the Nordic countries.
>Implying minimum wage has not caused unemployment to skyrocket in Seattle
>Implying I want a larger government
I want to defeat China in a trade war, and reassert our dominance abroad.
We do not need to cave to this fucking populist Jew scum.
>>68142327
>holding a gun to my head and telling me to pay for lazy assholes and people who made aweful degree choices is helping me
the only way to fix the economic situation is UBI and mandatory unionization
>>68148520
Whatever happened to those lower middle class shovel ready jobs to rebuild infrastructure?
>>68142327
see heres what ive notcied.
niggers
black niggers dress up in bling. they blow their money on shitty shoes and clothes and play dress up, throing on grills to make themselves feel cooler.
then you have white niggers. generally they dress is work boots and faded jeans, cam jackets and tshirts. they dont try to buy an identity. for the most part, they work, and perpetually smoke meth and fuck up. but they dont play dress up.
so poor whites, imo, dont want shit given to them.
menawhile the blakc nigger will take the welfare check and play dress up.
just a thought
>>68146268
Hey retard, how about we raise wages by removing all the illegals who work for dirt cheap instead of instigating inflation and making jobs currently above minimum wage worthless.
>>68148902
>more workers programs/public work projects
bc that worked so well after the great depression right?
>>68148191
The point that >>68146789 made
> "two-thirds of the net increase in employment since President Obama took office has gone to immigrant workers"
is true. Just divide your graphs by population and you find about 3 points total increase, 1 point native increase
>>68148998
...yes
>>68148520
This chart is from 2012 and it's been debunked.
There are a record 5.6 million job openings. Why are you still unemployed? Why can't you find a job Trumptard?
America has near record 5.6 million job openings
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/09/news/economy/america-5-6-million-record-job-openings/
Here I found one for you. It took me 2 seconds.
indeed.com/l-Nebraska-jobs.html
$15 an hour. Full time with benefits.
That's pretty good for a Trumptard coming out of his mother's basement.
Get out there and join the labor force Trumptard.
>>68142327
>"I'm white and poor and I still hate on Bernie even though his policies would help me."
Uh, that's 100% incorrect. I mean, the way the system is setup now, if you're poor, you should hypothetically be able to get help. Problem is, if you're white, you don't get that. Well, you might, if you're female and have kids.
Bernie is only going to improve the situation for illegal immigrants and blacks.
>>68142327
It's about dignity. The white working class doesn't want 'free' stuff. They want to work for a living. They'd probably support some aspects of the New Deal which was all about investment instead of dependence. It was the Great Society and the creation of modern welfare that pissed off so many people.
>>68148518
Obama wasn't president in 2008. He was president starting on January 20th 2009. That's where the charts start from.
> Have you ever taken a class in graph theory?
I would ask if you've taken any kind of civics class. Why would you think that Obama was President in 2008?
That's kind of retarded to be honest.
Last I checked, Baltimore and Detroit were leftist cities. Blacks keep supporting the blue against their economic interest and against their own safety!
Explain that hipster.
>>68142327
I found this on AIDS Skrillex Facebook
>>68148947
I thought you guys hated stimulus spending?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
>>68149343
CONTEXT RETARD
CONTEXT
You need context to validate your argument
>why do working class conservashits vote against their own economic interests?
But that's wrong.
>>68149220
>5.6 million job openings.
2/3 of which will go to immigrants which leads to why Trump is winning in polls, he wants to put natives first.
>>68149445
Did I not fucking say
>Obama job creation is 95% full time actually.
>>68146783
I've already proven that's a fact.
Now admit it.
>>68149218
hoover turned what should of been a 5 years tops problem into a fucking decade long shit show bc he thought that more government intervention was the answer to everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfeHWnaK7rY
>>68142327
why do white people vote for democrats? you wont get anything. even women
in 2009 the democrats controlled the executive branch and legislative branch. stimulus package went through with no republican support
but they didnt push through equal pay or gay rights or give amnesty to illegals. plenty of time for bank bail outs but not you guys
>>68149220
>Call centre
Oh boy we sure need more people cold calling and scamming old ladies
>>68146268
>I've never seen this level of retardation
My thoughts exactly looking at your post. Minimum wage jobs aren't meant to be kept as a single means of employment. Minimum wage jobs are for children and teens looking to gain money for the summer so they can spend their wage on drugs and alcohol, the reason being they require minimal amounts of skill and dexterity. Unfortunately, they're starting to be taken by people who are uneducated. These people think these jobs will be all they have in life, so they demand the wage to be raised in order to support themselves and their shit families, and these jobs will be all they have access to if they don't get an education. The problem is how do we go about giving adults who wish to pursue an education an education?
Spoiler alert: education cannot be free, otherwise there is no risk in getting one. No risk, no payoff.
>>68149628
we've heard it all before
it has nothing to do with what i stated which is still correct
>>68148550
This. We were all teenagers once. Now that college is over and I'm in the real world, I've walked back from my old dorm room attitudes.
>>68142327
>We'll
Is this the latest meme I missed out on or is the OP illiterate?
>>68149444
>I thought you guys hated stimulus spending?
Never said that
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
How many of those provisions became reality? If anything your link just proves that Obama and Congress were extremely incompetent in implementation.
>>68149563
Native born employment is up. WAY UP actually.
>68148191
So why can't you find a job Trumptard? Maybe you're the problem. Not Obama.
>>68146268
Libtards will simultaneously complain that entry-level jobs don't pay enough but are in favor opening the borders to flood the market with workers.
>>68148687
OMFG this is brilliant.
What's the topic of this thread?
>>68148687
I have to screenshot this. This is fucking brilliant.
>>68142327
>implying socialism won't drive prices up
>implying I won't just pay more in taxes if sanders was president
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>>68143350
STOP REPLYING TO THESE GOD DAMN SHITTY THREADS REEEEEE
>>68149711
It's much more than just call centers, it is the entire STEM field.
All the poo-in-loos come over with their H-1b and land a job that I am perfectly capable of doing.
>>68149444
conservative do, there are very few conservatives left, everyone in the states is a moderate or progressive-liberal
>we've heard it all before
>it has nothing to do with what i stated which is still correct
how does it not? labor unions are unnecessary bureaucracy
if there was a demand for a certain type of work/project/job then people would already be doing it on their own, the government stepping in means only that money flows to places where no one wants it, which creates bubbles
>>68149962
http://cis.org/who-got-jobs-during-obama-presidency
Already posted source that most jobs go to immigrants that we never needed because we didn't have a labor shortage to begin with
>So why can't you find a job Trumptard? Maybe you're the problem. Not Obama.
Lol, I make more in a year working on commercial aircraft than you probably do in 5 years.
>>68146268
>230k private sector part-time jobs in the service industry are a good thing
lel
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>>68150021
am i hogging your bandwidth faggot? ill talk about what ever I feel like in whatever thread I choose
also a complaining about liberals thread is shitpost central at least myself and a others are bringing concrete statements to argue over
>>68144357
>Tyson chicken nuggets
My man
pizza rolls r gud doe
>>68150178
>everyone in the states is a moderate or progressive-liberal
lol
>>68149714
>education cannot be free, otherwise there is no risk in getting one
l2p issue senpai
>>68149622
Remember folks, fucking leafs are descended from the retards who decided to settle in a frigid hell hole instead of the states. It explains everything.
>>68145565
>Welfare
See, that's the problem here, and it's not capitalism.
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>>68149999
Trump's Mar-a-Lago hires hundreds of foreign workers
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/18/news/economy/trump-maralago/index.html
>>68150464
>work
>somehow free stuff
this is so confusing
>>68150391
just look at the republican party, its filled with milquetoast fags.
the majority of the country is leaning or already is socialistic, its sad but true
the last conservative president was calvin coolidge
>>68146268
shoo
>>68150306
>Lol, I make more in a year working on commercial aircraft than you probably do in 5 years.
I make $1 billion per year so I highly doubt that.
I already told you. NATIVE-BORN EMPLOYED IS WAY UP UNDER OBAMA.
Are you some kind of retard or something?
>>68148191
Look at the chart.
>inb4 Newborn American babies are unemployed! Fucking Obama!
>>68142327
because filling a country up with immigrants that will work for pocket change off the record, crowd all the poor areas of a country until they turn it into a shithole like where they came from, and then generally abuse the local poor population whilst calling them evil racists, tends not to benefit the working classes. All whilst lefties in their ivory tower gated neighbourhoods get to live in middle class land cooing at how much better they feel about dumping all the immigrants on the working classes
>source: My family is working class from East London, and yes I'm mad as fuck
>>68150637
Shouldn't that be one of Trump's H2B foreign workers?
Trump's Mar-a-Lago hires hundreds of foreign workers
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/18/news/economy/trump-maralago/index.html
>>68142327
>voting for a dirty commie
>Helping the working class
there are like 20 fucking counter examples to that shitty argument in latin america
>>68150708
>I make $1 billion per year so I highly doubt that.
Cool, share your wealth or I kill you faggot.
>I already told you. NATIVE-BORN EMPLOYED IS WAY UP UNDER OBAMA.
Cool, then his immigration policy is keeping natives underemployed. Glad we could agree on something.
A few years back Thailand raised their minimum wage by 20%. Everything suddenly got more expensive.
t. lived there when it happened
>>68150592
Conservashits don't know any better
They actively vote against their own economic interests
>>68150708
we've already told you that the increase is to teenager tier jobs, that arent fit for a man to support his family,
which is besides the point, its NOT the feds job to create jobs, if they wanted to create jobs then they would gtfo of the way, which obama is adverse to doing
>>68150565
and?
you REALLY arguing people should vote for openly open-border politicians because Trump is totes dodecatuple-secret open-borders?
>>68146268
>raising the minimum wage.
>acquire inflation
>complain that minimum wage jobs don't pay enough
Rinse and repeat.
>>68151079
The economy creates far more jobs under Democrats than Republicans.
>>68151238
>Presidents are directly responsible for job creation
Who controls the senate?
>>68151148
No. I'm against open borders. It's the Republicans who love open borders.
GOP Legislators Push Plan That Could Replace Americans, Import 264,000 Foreign Workers
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/05/gop-legislators-push-plan-replace-americans-import-264000-foreign-workers/
If you actually looked at the facts, you would see that legal immigration has declined under Obama and that he's deported more people than any other president.
>>68150708
>I make $1 billion per year so I highly doubt that.
m8 if you are gonna lie on a frog trading forum, at least make it believable
>>68151238
so the guy who allowed NAFTA to exist, created more jobs
Now who is getting those jobs? The graph doesn't say
>>68151298
The Democrats controlled the senate up until 2015.
So you agree we have to elect Democratic Presidents.
>>68151238
Congress is more responsible for job creation.
>Bernie would help me by raising my taxes and putting me back on minimum wage
okay
>>68151386
>You dream general
Great movie.
That was obviously just a joke.
Trumptards can't even handle a little joke.
>it's in their own economic interest to let their country be overrun by brown people
Well the Democrats vilify them or just plain pretend they don't exist
See Bernie "White people don't know what it's like to be poor" Sanders
No poor white person is going to vote for that shit
>>68151443
Yes, vote for Hilary, a literal, honest to god murderer because she rides a donkey instead of an elephant
>>68143899
not just any pizza roll you fuck
TOTINO'S PIZZA ROLLS
>>68142327
voting for Bernie is like pissing your pants when you're freezing cold.
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>>68151034
what the fuck is this "t. x" shit I keep seeing?
Anyone care to explain this?
"t. Mohammad"
"t. Justin Trudeau"
>>68151416
It doesn't say because it's a graph of jobs by president.
Americans are getting those jobs.
Except for the workers at Trump's Maralago of course.
He doesn't hire Americans.
Trump's Mar-a-Lago hires hundreds of foreign workers
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/18/news/economy/trump-maralago/index.html
>>68142327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4DWg8OHSo0
Take a bump, anon.
>>68151465
Could you link me to the jobs bill the Republicans passed.
Republicans promised me Obamacare was a job killer. How come we've had 72 straight months of job creation ever since. The longest streak in American history.
>>68142327
Why do liberal shitheads assume they know better than I do what is in my best economic interests?
>>68151633
The graph says "Jobs created by President"
not "Jobs for Americans created by President"
Does that graph include people who are here on H-1b visas?
>>68142327
>an social democrat
>without a wall
Useless
>>68151633
From your own source
> From 2013 to 2015, Mar-a-Lago was approved to hire 246 foreign workers by the U.S. Department of Labor with H-2B visas, which allow U.S. employers to temporarily import foreign workers to fill non-agricultural jobs that can't be filled with Americans.
>To get approval for H-2B visas, employers must prove they need extra workers and that they made an effort to recruit domestic workers, contacted everyone who responded to ads and hired all qualified applicants. After receiving approval, employers must petition U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to bring foreign, temporary workers into the country.
>Trump has made the case that he couldn't find American workers. "It's almost impossible to get help," the Republican presidential candidate told CNN last month. "And part of the reason you can't get American people is they want full time jobs."
So Trump has PROVEN in a COURT OF LAW, TWO HINDERED TIMES that he can't get Americans to do part time work for a pittance. Wow, that really stumped him didn't it?
>>68151756
Democrats lost the House and Senate with HISTORIC blowouts in 2012 and 2014
>>68142327
Well OP let's look at the facts
>Hillary is Dem nominee
>pro-outsourcing
>pro-immigration
>pro-foreign war
>biggest corporate shill in the race
>Trump
>against outsourcing, even willing to hurt large corporations to protect U.S. workers
>will deport illegals and build a wall
>against expensive foreign entanglements
>takes no money from corporations
You might be retarded OP.
>>68151623
t. is the finnish way to say "sincerely"
example as meme:
All blacks deserve free college you racist whites
t. Bernie sanders supporter
>>68151906
>get Americans to do part time work for a pittance
yeah, it actually did
>>68151782
Elitism and paternalism a very much a leftist trait.
But then again it is not hard to calculate one's economic interest as it is an objective fact.
>>68151365
>It's the Republicans who love open borders
Both old-man-bernie and hilldog are ardently open-borders, and while establishment repubs are open-borders, too, trying to use this against Trump is retarded.
but then what would you expect from A LEAF
>>68151174
>Stupid mexican thinks labor costs are 100% of the cost of a product.
>Doesn't understand that when you put money in the hands of workers, they buy things and it stimulates the economy
Also,
A $10.10 Minimum Wage Would Make A DVD At Walmart Cost One Cent More
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/02/21/3317901/walmart-minimum-wage-prices/
>inb4 MUH thinkprogress
Job growth picks up in states that raised minimum wage
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/19/job-growth-picks-up-in-states-that-raised-minimum-wage.html
>>68152031
It's not even that low, it's $10-14 an hour, far above the Floridian minimum wage of $8
There just aren't enough Americans in the area willing to work in the hot sun serving rich people drinks.
>>68151992
you're doing it wrong, the response should be LURK MORE
>>68151804
H1b visas aren't included in those totals. Those are only the jobs created for Americans.
Why doesn't Trump hire Americans at Maralago?
Trump's Mar-a-Lago hires hundreds of foreign workers
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/18/news/economy/trump-maralago/index.html
>>68151942
Yes Republicans do well when the voter turnout is 33%.
Could you link me to the jobs bill the Republicans passed.
Your charts are old, debunked, bullshit copypasta and not even adjusted for inflation or anything.
>>68152288
Because he has proven again and again that he couldn't get rich Floridians to work a minimum wage job in a beach town
Also, if you were an American, who would you be voting for right now?
>>68152288
>Nigress lies to CNN
Again, H-2B requires proof that your have done everything in your power to hire all qualified American workers. The nigress either didn't apply, or fucked up her phone number or something.
>>68152033
>But then again it is not hard to calculate one's economic interest as it is an objective fact.
There's more to a nation than economics. The problem comes with balancing economic interests with cultural, legal, and political ones. This entire thread has ignored these 3 entirely.
Honestly my biggest concern right now is when is someone going to rein in the Feds for their massive oversteps in the last 2 decades.
>NDAA
>Patriot Act
>assassinating US citizens without due process
>blatant corruption and nepotism
>constant assaults on constitutional rights
>>68152191
Fuck off faggot.
>>68142327
Because you faggots do nothing that helps. You support illegal immigration that drives down wages and unionization which forces people into a fucking money making scheme for the DNC. This is why in Arizona where we drove out illegal immigrants the median minimum wage was increased where most places pay above the minimum wage.
>>68152573
>muh immigration
It's no more problematic than Americans having kids. Either way it's more people.
>>68142327
it boggles my mind that a bernie supporter, who will tell people to their faces that they are racists would post something like this. Do these people own mirrors?
>>68152506
Who are you voting for in 2016
>>68142327
>Hating on Totino pizza rolls
Those are great gaming snacks you faggot.
>>68152703
>It's no more problematic than Americans having kids
Kids have 16-22 years before they enter the workforce. Immigrants can enter the same day they enter the country
>>68142327
Why do democrats vote against their family's safety?
>>68142327
It is weird why they're so anti themselves and pro corporations stealing jobs from them, but the "FREE SHIT!" aka $15, free college, healthcare and whatever is just a fantasy. Especially in a 60% white country
>See this thread
>Wonder if anyone bothered to defend the Pizza Rolls
I'm only a little ashamed to admit I ate some of those today, and yesterday. Irony is I'm not White, not poor, and I am voting for Bernie. Well, if he makes it to the general election. If not, +1 independent vote for Trump.
>>68151756
>Republicans promised me Obamacare was a job killer. How come we've had 72 straight months of job creation ever since. The longest streak in American history.
for the 3rd time, ADULTS WITH FAMILIES DO NOT WANT PART TIME WORK NOR DO THEY WANT PART TIME MINIMUM WAGE WORK SEASONAL WORK OR ANY VARIATION THERE OF
youre not even mentioning that the majority of full time work came from the oil industry and texas single handedly
that is not sustainable
i swear its always about me me me me. i care about the whole country not just me
>>68142327
Because they are not selfish cucks. They want whats best for the country, because what is best from them would destroy us.
>>68152759
At first I was going for Webb, but he's gone.
For the time being its a toss-up between Trump for his stances on H1BNs and tariffs or a protest vote for Johnson.
I usually vote R for federal because they spend more on science and tech generally.
>>68152173
yes there are
whites just aren't gonna get fucked by employers anymore
>>68153068
>yes there are
Clearly not when it's been proven 246 times over three years
IMPORTING BROWN PEOPLE TO DO POOR PEOPLE'S JOBS IS NOT IN THE ECONOMIC INTERESTS OF POOR PEOPLE
>>68152494
there are consulation firms whose sole job is to be hired by corporations to outsource foreign work while doing the absolute minimum by law to hire americans
>>68153131
what the fuck did i just say
>>68153244
Riddle me this batman
In what way is it cheaper to pay all the visa fees to import workers, and then pay them the same wages you would an American?
>>68152714
What's the confusion exactly?
>>68153382
Idk, ask Disney and Microsoft.
They love those poo2loos
>>68152077
>>Stupid mexican thinks labor costs are 100% of the cost of a product.
>>Doesn't understand that when you put money in the hands of workers, they buy things and it stimulates the economy
>stupid retarded keynesian doesn't understand that aggregate demand, that is putting money on the hands of the workers increases demands for commodities while not increasing the offer of goods and services, which causes demand to be greater than offer and hence rises prices.
rising the minimum wage hurts the average small business owner who barely gets a profit and he is forced to fire workers to avoid bankruptcy. That directly hurst the middle class and Ironically concentrates more wealth on less hands.
rising the minimum wage is just a temporary short term solution that always comes back and bite you in the fucking ass.and it's directly responsible next to welfare state for black unemployment since 1960.
What does really work is give the private sector enough leverage so they can profit from hiring workers. like it's fucking supposed to do.
if your policies are making me go bankrupt I'm gonna start firing people or cut beneffits off.
>>68153382
Visas don't ask for things like severance packages.
Many Visas are also area and field specific making them glorified indentured servants
>>68150154
Dominions needs more people playing it.
>>68153382
#1 they do not get the same wages an american would get paid, they hire 2 or 3 less qualified foreigners to do the job of 1 highly qualified american
# 2 the foreigners will accept shit tier-no promotions-no future opportunity work bc compared to the jobs in Bangladesh they get to live like kings on 20K a year
#3 many of the foreign workers visa RELIES SOLEY ON THEIR EMPLOYMENT WITH THE COMPANY THAT GOT THEM THE VISA
so they are indentured servents that cannot go to any other company which further fucks over american workers bc these people work for peanuts and do a shit job
>>68142327
I don't consider it against my economic interests, I consider it in favor of my social interests. For example being able to voice my opinion in public without going to jail for "hatespeech" or being able to go into any public business and receive the service i pay for, just minor things that the liberals would say I don't deserve because I'm a fucking white male
Explain how taxing middle class whites and giving the money to urban ghetto blacks will help the white poor of Appalachia.
>>68153544
I can tell youre one of the legit tejanos. youre spot on
>>68153850
The wages are the same for Americans and H2 workers
>>68153059
OK. But you said these were your most important issues:
>NDAA
>Patriot Act
>assassinating US citizens without due process
>blatant corruption and nepotism
>constant assaults on constitutional rights
I don't know how to say this without sounding like a shill but Trump is very bad on the aforementioned issues. Just do some research. It's not hard to find his Orwellian opinions.
>they spend more on science and tech generally.
He also is against that. Again do you research. I don't want to come of as a shill.
There's only one candidate that has a good record on the above issues, has a not so bad stance on H1-Bs and is mildly economic protectionist. It's hard hard to find out who that candidate is.
>>68153068
Yeah right. All the white guys on 4chan making 80k+ is still largely unheard of for any other demographic. I know a white man who will be accounting at the Pentagon after just one year of accounting experience and no accounting education to speak of. If you're failing as a white male you are literally not trying or you're meddling in a woman's field. As a white male you can get a codecademy tier education in programming and make 60k starting.
>>68152483
There were Americans willing to work. Hundreds.
Trump's Mar-a-Lago hires hundreds of foreign workers
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/18/news/economy/trump-maralago/index.html
>"We have hundreds of qualified candidates for jobs like these," Veenstra told CNN. "That's what we do here. We help place local residents into jobs like those."
Are you just a little obedient bitch white boy who obeys whatever Trump tells you?
>>68152494
There were Americans willing to work. Hundreds.
Trump's Mar-a-Lago hires hundreds of foreign workers
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/18/news/economy/trump-maralago/index.html
>"We have hundreds of qualified candidates for jobs like these," Veenstra told CNN. "That's what we do here. We help place local residents into jobs like those."
Are you just a little obedient bitch white boy who obeys whatever Trump tells you?
>>68142327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjkUKFMQIVk [Embed]
since this op is a faggot might as well pass on the work of a based op
>>68154060
Yeah, good luck. Silicon valley is full of Indians on H1Bs. Companies know the hiring rules so they just state
>Required 3-5 years experience in the field
Golly gee we couldn't find any native people with 3-5 years experience, I guess we'll have to hire a poo in the loo h1b at 1/3 the salary ;^)
>>68148170
In this dichotomy all "pro-corporate" is left wing. Come on leaf it's not that hard to understand.
>>68154017
i just told you why you are wrong, they hire 2-3 lower wage workers to do the job that an american would get on a real wage of the same position
>>68154226
Trump has proven in court 246 times he can't get the workers he needs
But sure, just take the word of a guy paid to shill his company whenever he can over 246 court decisions
>>68154226
>>68154141
why do you keep shilling some CNN article over and over again as if it makes it any more valid?
Do you trust CNN over the courts?
>>68154477
THE WAGES ARE THE SAME
Americans get paid $11, Pakis get $11, it's the same wage, it's no cheaper
>>68154046
All the candidates that talked about these issues are gone.
I'm going to assume you talking about Bernie. Bernie sponsored a bill that would allow federal bureaucrats to block 2nd amendment rights of citizens there were placed on unconstitutional watchlists. Also his policies would greatly increase the reach of the government.
There aren't any great candidates for 2016. A vote for Trump at least delays microaggression and hate speech laws. Failing all this, there is still that protest vote.
>>68154046
>OK. But you said these were your most important issues:
>>NDAA
>>Patriot Act
>>assassinating US citizens without due process
>>blatant corruption and nepotism
>>constant assaults on constitutional rights
>I don't know how to say this without sounding like a shill but Trump is very bad on the aforementioned issues. Just do some research. It's not hard to find his Orwellian opinions.
you are correct
>There's only one candidate that has a good record on the above issues, has a not so bad stance on H1-Bs and is mildly economic protectionist. It's hard hard to find out who that candidate is.
cruz is a legit conservative, which shows the current state of dispair in my country(we are mainly leftists now and beg for authoritarianism rather then justice)
I still have my hopes up but am ready to do down with the ship
>>68154559
It's the only source he's got, nowhere else is reporting it.
It seems to be bullshit when even Huffpo isn't reporting on what seems like an anti-trump goldmine
>>68154594
are you fucking retarded, I live here, im telling you that is not how it works for real career jobs
>>68154397
Silicon valley pays much more than 60k and it isn't the only place with tech jobs. Every state has a city where tech ed is useful. Places that may not attract immigrant workers.
>>68146268
>raise minimum wage
>even more businesses demand illegal immigrants
>more teens and under-educated people can't get jobs
where does it all end?
with everyone getting a "basic income" stipend from the government courtesy of americans who actually have to go out and work to achieve their goals?
Because they don't see "here, take this bowl of gruel and in return let us destroy western white christian culture" as the hot deal you see it as.
>>68154845
>Pedro gets $11 an hour on a visa, no severance
>Mike gets $11 an hour, no severance
>PEDRO IS CHEAPER I KNOW BECAUSE I DO
>Conservatives are greedy fascists
>Conservatives vote against their financial interest
Pick one and only one
>I vote on policies only because they help me
sounds like you lack empathy OP
>>68155075
Rich conservatives are the first category, poor ones are the second. Fuck off and huff some petrol you abo cunt.
>>68155028
look up the disney cases, the one guy had to quit and train his 2 replacements
>>68155212
So by your logic poor democrats are greedy and rich democrats are stupid?
>>68155248
In the Trump case (the one at hand), the two workers are identical short of nationality. They do the same job, for the same wage, trained by the same people.
There just aren't enough poor Floridians in Palm Beach willing to work for $11 an hour
>>68142327
>actually wanting to become dependent on the welfare state
Not all poor people are that fucking dumb
>>68155519
yes
>>68155536
i never once mentioned trump
jobs like that like foreigners bc they have to stay working for them in order to stay, where as an american could quit at anytime
my countries national parks are filled with foreigners(mainly asians) who dont know a fucking thing about the country and have too thick of an accent that they cant even help you find something
>>68154679
The only thing Trump has going for him as far as freedom is concerned is the anti-PC thing.
He comes off as very much pro-federal government and does not seem to care about the federal government overreach into citizen's rights. Which makes sense. He a billionaire from NY. His relationship with government is much more personal and at a much higher level than for the common citizen.
He's even came out against the Oregon protesters.
I think you should be really wary of his "anti-establishment" act.
I also thought well of him when he started out but since then he has been very clearly just trying his best to appeal to every demographic even if it meant contradicting himself. So he's not very consistent. I don't think his words are worth much.
He lost my trust anyway but you're free to make up your mind.
>>68142327
Let's increase the cost of hiring legal american workers, increase the number of college educated individuals, and tax the shit out of anybody who creates american jobs.
Because I put my personal gains before the negative impact on the Economy starter pack
>>68142327
Because "working class conservashits" can also think in the long-term. I think that sums it up.
>>68142327
Some people are selfless.
>>68142327
>We'll
>>68154559
Watch the fucking video you retard. They interview Americans who applied for the jobs. The go to job centres nearby.
You Trumptards are so fucking retarded, you'll complain about H2B but then it's cool when Trump uses them .
TRUMP DINDU NUFFIN
>>68154517
No he hasn't. You just made that up.
>>68154805
Oh really?
Donald Trump Is an H2B-Visa Hypocrite
The Best Jobs President God Ever Put On Earth Should Consider Hiring Americans
http://www.redstate.com/repair_man_jack/2015/09/25/donald-trump-h2b-visa-hypocrite/
Watch the fucking video you retard. They interview Americans who applied for the jobs. The go to job centres nearby.
You Trumptards are so fucking retarded, you'll complain about H2B but then it's cool when Trump uses them .
TRUMP DINDU NUFFIN
>>68159533
It's in the article you've been spamming constantly
>>68159695
>September 2015
If it's true, why is it only just now filtering to mainstream sites, and only CNN at that?
Wouldn't every single anti-trump site be spamming this constantly if it were verifiably true?
>>68142422
POO IN LOO
>>68159735
Nowhere in the article does it say anything about Trump going to court.
You're just a fucked up retard and a liar.
Also, you're saying that the Obama economy is so good that there is a labor shortage. Wow must be the best economy in decades then!
I'm not voting for anybody who says they're gonna take my guns. Plain and simple. Fuck that kike
>>68159903
HOW THE FUCK IS IT NOT TRUE? TRUMP ADMITS TO USING H2B YOU RETARDED LITTLE OBEDIENT SHEEP.
TRUMP DINDU NUFFIN
""We have hundreds of qualified candidates for jobs like these," Veenstra told CNN. "That's what we do here. We help place local residents into jobs like those."
>>68142327
He will keep increasing taxes and increasing "muh free stuff" to the point U.S people will become BR-tier.
Lazy and with many taxes to pay. And shit-tier free stuff
>>68142327
Neither party, let alone does the overall federal government operate in the interests of the people. Their allegiances lie solely with the oligarchic "merchant" banking structures and their subsidiary institutions, from the financial industry itself, to media and (corporate structured) food producers. Who the banks report to is another disucssion, though it all ends with one very simple point:
No matter who you vote in to officer, you're merely choosing who gets to reach down your anus and pull your colon out. The government and private powers have aligned against the people, especially the common man.
>>68160109
>To get approval for H-2B visas, employers must prove they need extra workers and that they made an effort to recruit domestic workers, contacted everyone who responded to ads and hired all qualified applicants. After receiving approval, employers must petition U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to bring foreign, temporary workers into the country.
Must be proven to US CIS, 246 accepted proofs
>>68160257
I'm not denying the use of the H2-Bs, I'm questioning the integrity of Veenstra, and the fact that the story has been around for over 6 months yet hasn't progressed beyond local news until now.
Again, CIS has accepted proof 246 times, versus a nigress saying I APPLIED BUT I DUN GET IT and one guy saying he has "hundreds" of applicants despite Trumps claim he can't get help, and CIS backing that up
Trump is the 1% he is a vampire squid.
Occupy Trump.
>>68142567
lmao check out this idiot. are conservashits this delusional lmao
>>68143350
so just letting you know thats a meme and complete bullshit. Do you post fake news articles without fact checking first too?
>>68142327
Survival of my people>well being of myself
Something a leftist hedonist can't understand.
>>68144518
I do and did to their face at the Chicago protest.
If half the country is saying you are a stupid hick it mite be tru senpai
>>68142327
Bernie would've won the primaries if blacks didn't vote. You should make your meme pics about them.
>>68160554
Jesus fucking christ. IT HAS BEEN ALL OVER THE NEWS. Just cause you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
CRUZ AND RUBIO both brought it up at a debate FFS. Nationally televised. Millions of viewers.
It's not just 1 guy.
Trumpfags are unbelievable man.
Honestly I've never encountered this level of mental retardation in all my life.
Trumptards will complain that the minimum wage is too low but then they are against raising it.
Trumptards will complain about immigration but Trump says he loves immigration.
Trumptards will complain about too many H2B visas but then defend Trump using H2B visas.
Trumptards will say the Obama economy is so bad, but somehow at the same time there is an American labor shortage because Trump needs foreign workers.
Is it possible Trump just wants cheap wages so he can stuff more money in his fat ass pockets?
NASA needs to study you retards. Your brains need to be examined and we need to eliminate the retardation gene that must be present in all Trumptards.
>>68162079
>IT HAS BEEN ALL OVER THE NEWS
Provide another mainstream source than CNN then.
>>68162079
>Trumptards will complain that the minimum wage is too low but then they are against raising it.
Minimum wage is already too high. If you're worth $0.50 an hour, you should be able to work for that. No minimum wage is the way to go.
>Trumptards will complain about immigration but Trump says he loves immigration.
Illegal immigration bad, legal immigration good. Hard concept right?
>Trumptards will complain about too many H2B visas but then defend Trump using H2B visas.
246 times substantiated
>Trumptards will say the Obama economy is so bad, but somehow at the same time there is an American labor shortage because Trump needs foreign workers.
In Palm Beach there does seem to be a shortage, the rest of America, not so much
But according to Bernie white people who are poor doesn't exist, so there are no white people voting against their interests.
