Most notable computer engineers and scientists agree that AI will be created within 30 to 60 years.
Just imagine, one of the greatest events in human history which could either destroy or transcend humankind will happen within our lifetime. What a time to be alive.
>>68073732
You're dumb and wrong.
AI already exists, Autismo
>>68073857
Give me a fukn explanation why thousand of AI experts are wrong, or is just another one of Ameretards stupid opinion. Fukn Contrarians
>>68074243
lol. Keep it up. Maybe someone will listen to you one day.
>>68073732
The singularity has been "40 years away" since the 50's...
>>68073732
Will islam save us from skynet?
>>68074243
>>68073732
That's what they said 30 to 60 years ago.
>>68074379
So edgy
>>68073732
It's only a matter of time until an AI as intelligent as human intelligence is developed. It's scary.
>>68074243
same reason global warmist keep nagging. they make a carier doing so
>>68074379
im curious to why you think what you do
>>68073732
i imagine it probably will be less like humans are cattle to it more than humans are like deer to it. not really a whole lot of interaction
Sex bots in 30? I need sooner.
>>68073732
When we have enough processing power to simulate a human brain, we will have A.I.
So in hundred years time or so.
>>68074632
>>68074640
>AI as intelligent as human intelligence
>>68074683
Whats with the sneaky edit there?
>>68073732
Its already here
>>68074887
Why am I not getting my (you)s?
>>68074666
>Most notable computer engineers and scientists agree that AI will be created within 30 to 60 years.
Screams that he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about and just read some article on the internet. Which is typical for someone talking about AI.
>>68075027
>he's dumb because he's dumb :^)
why, is that unrealistic? come on anon use that big superior brain and converse the reason to me
>>68075027
B-but muh singularity
>>68075146
That's exactly it. He doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about and neither do you apparently. Yet you still opine. That shit pisses me off. So I'll make fun of you. B+ for effort though, Radio.
What all of you and many others fail to understand is technology moves in an exponential curve. Your smartphone is 1,000,000 times faster and 1000 times cheaper than the most expensive and advanced super computer of the 1960s. That's a billion fold increase in about 50 years. Imagine a device 1 billion times more powerful and complex than your iPhone. We are on the cusp of the singularity. Humans think in a linear curve. We predict the future based on the past, this is useless in predicting future technology.
Did anybody notice the Pentagon now wants to use Watson to make it's procurement decisions due to the complexity of said regulations? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/the-pentagons-procurement-system-is-so-broken-they-are-calling-on-watson/2016/03/18/a6891158-ec6a-11e5-a6f3-21ccdbc5f74e_story.html
This is how the "AI dysoptia" plays out. It's not about an actual conscious computer taking over everything. It's about us relying on machines to make decisions because everything becomes so complex we as humans have no possible hope of understanding what to do. Ergo, we cannot shut off the machines as they run our lives. We are slaves, machines win, ect.
Don't feed the singularity trolls, the evil future where humanity is no longer needed doesn't require a singularity.
>>68075329
so you literally do not have to ability to explain why AI will not be created in 30 to 60 years? that's pretty fucking retarded
>>68075501
Someone post The Econimist parody of this chart
>>68075614
Economist*
Fugg
>>68075501
brains have computational power but that's not all they do
>>68074113
>doesn't even know what AGI or ASI is
lmao
>>68075501
>idk shit: the post
syrup nigger shut the fuck up btfo rekt fag
FOR ALL UNEDUCATED ON AI
go here--> http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
>>68075552
You seem to think "creating AI" is a single event. That's just one of the things that tips me off.
>>68075501
Big whoop. We have a bunch of silicone that can crunch numbers really quickly. We still need to program it. Also that graph is bullshit. Great at showing past trends. Shit at predicting future ones.
>>68073732
Fuck off no one cares about gay-i>>68073732
>>68073732
that doesn't excite me in the least, it's a fucking shitty thing to happen in our time
god fucking damnit OP
>>68075880
this was the article I read that made me a believer
I'm so fucking stoked
>>68075679
>>68075804
>>68075928
Luddites. Not even once.
I find it amazing that a religion has spawned out of pseudoscience. Anything I hear connected to kurzweil or that michio cucko guy I instantly know is bullshit. Stupid fucks.
>>68073732
That's a cute religion you got there
>>68074709
What if we have enough processing power to one day simulate a brain with 2x the processing power as a brain and then that AI creates even smarter AI and then this process repeats itself until we have such smart AI that they can create a computer with the processing power to simulate a whole universe and then billions of simulations of universes are held and one day someone runs a simulation of a universe in where living organisms spawn that evolve into humans and a guy named Hiter rises in Germany and WINS the second World War which results in a thousand year Reich but in that thousand year the technology evolves so far that nobody can overthrow their might anymore and thus they start to colonize the milky way etc.
*takes a bong hit*
I would be soooooo happy dude
>>68073732
theres no such thing as an AI singularity OP, take acid and plug into the universal consciousness
>>68076048
>i called you plebians so i win
>>68075928
thank you for your effort to explain however it was never implied that 'being created' is a specific event. 'being created' just means when it will be developed to the point of fitting the definition of artificial intelligence
dont you feel better now that you've calmly explained some of your point
>>68076048
>being able to compute things faster automatically grants you a will to survive
fucking leaf etc
We could be doing amazing things, but what about a race war instead?
>>68075501
>. Your smartphone is 1,000,000 times faster and 1000 times cheaper than the most expensive and advanced super computer of the 1960s
Yeah and those old computers actually did things whereas your phone checks twitter and plays garbage phone games.
>>68076045
i saved it because it was so convincing. it does a really good job at putting it into layman's terms.
>>68076227
>'being created' just means when it will be developed to the point of fitting the definition of artificial intelligence
Do you even know the definition of intelligence? Artificial intelligence has existed for a long number of years. You seem to be thinking about it with some sci-fi inspired preconception.
Kurzweil is full of shit, and shouldn't ever be listened to. Hes selling a line of bullshit because he financially profits by luring in Redditors who love pop sci sounding nonsense, but understand none of it.
There are a couple DARPA funded projects underway aiming to recreate high levels of brain function in silicon, to have a working model of a brain more concrete than a software simulation of synaptic connections firing. The biggest and baddest of the bunch is from IBM, and they're likely to achieve it. The caveat here is that we can't predict if consciousness is a tangible property which emerges from a system with enough complexity. The concept of a machine super intelligence couldn't come to pass unless it were self aware, and that does not happen without consciousness.
All the opining on AI coming from jackasses is clickbait articles is no different from a group of inexperienced mountain climbers stepping up to the base of Everest only to proclaim that they'll reach summit by tomorrow. They have no damn idea whats in store.
>be the year 2101
>technology has advanced to the point where we can be telepathically linked as singularity
>basically just anonymous shitposting 24/7 in your own brain
>USA linked in singularity
>illegal immigrant keep hacking into our singularity to become part of us
>costing billions of mb's of bandwith a year
>europe integrating millions of "cyber refugees", cuck porn streamed into their brains 24/7
>no more
>execute trump.exe
>magnificent vision of God-Emperor fills everyones head in the USA
>WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE NETWORK GREAT AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A FIREWALL AND MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR IT
>run trump antivirus
>"islam.exe has been moved to quarantine"
>>68075928
>We still need to program it
We are building programs that program themselves. Soon it will be physically impossible for the whole of humanity to audit one machine made program. These programs will be beneficial at first, ushering in new CRISPR medical breakthroughs, regulating environment conditions to counter large methane leaks in the Arctic, regulating finance ect.
Then we are slaves, we can't simply shut off the machines as they are crucial to our survival.
Like any of us will see 2040, faggot
>>68076724
it sounds like you believe that computational ability does not grant a will to survive
>>68076821
pfffttttt, I like it.
>>68076864
It doesn't, biological imperatives do. Humans are just intelligent enough to reflect upon that. "consciousness" as they call it.
Moore's Law kind of falls apart now that we've made three-atom transistors and the bleeding edge has stagnated there for six years with only hypothesis and no working theory showing a way forward.
>>68076815
Pretty good.
>guys! we're gonna have flying cars by the year 2000. Really.
>>68076815
>islam.exe has been moved to quarantine
>>68076141
Are you smoking high to get weed
>>68077579
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
>>68073732
Won't happen.
The Muslims would have destroyed the world by then.
>>68077606
>>68077138
yes i agree with you. you should be less quick to call people retarded without having the composure to explain why
AI, which will likely get to AGI by being programmed to self-improve, wouldn’t see “human-level intelligence” as some important milestone—it’s only a relevant marker from our point of view—and wouldn’t have any reason to “stop” at our level. And given the advantages over us that even human intelligence-equivalent AGI would have, it’s pretty obvious that it would only hit human intelligence for a brief instant before racing onwards to the realm of superior-to-human intelligence.
This may shock the shit out of us when it happens. The reason is that from our perspective, A) while the intelligence of different kinds of animals varies, the main characteristic we’re aware of about any animal’s intelligence is that it’s far lower than ours, and B) we view the smartest humans as WAY smarter than the dumbest humans. Kind of like this:
>>68077706
So as AI zooms upward in intelligence toward us, we’ll see it as simply becoming smarter, for an animal. Then, when it hits the lowest capacity of humanity—Nick Bostrom uses the term “the village idiot”—we’ll be like, “Oh wow, it’s like a dumb human. Cute!” The only thing is, in the grand spectrum of intelligence, all humans, from the village idiot to Einstein, are within a very small range—so just after hitting village idiot level and being declared to be AGI, it’ll suddenly be smarter than Einstein and we won’t know what hit us:
>>68077653
Oh you were just being a double's advocate. McFucker.
>>68076435
I agree. Can't wait senpai.
>tfw cautiously optimist for 2050
>>68076435
Thinking about the future and how strong AI is certainly coming if it's not yet just around the corner makes me sad. Imagine how pathetic humanity will become when AI figures shit out for us and we just eat and dance and change our gender three times a day. Back in the day some mathematicans were worried that at a certain point human won't be able to make new proofs beyond "see, the computer says it's true", but now we're actually on the verge of the time when humans use appliances and tools invented by AI without even being aware how they work. Sure, not many people today know how their smartphone works, but at least they hold a theoretical ability to figure it out. Another human invented it so it just takes a human brain to understand it. But when AI starts to invent shit for us using mysterious effects and forces, when AI brings you the warp drive you asked for and says "yeah, Dave, it just works", while neither you nor the AI (hopefully) understand how it works. This is so degrading, I hope humanity never finds itself in this situation.
>>68077788
consider it training my noble friend
>>68077908
Actually wanted to reply to the OP but whatever.
>>68077604
Nah, I stoned weed to get smoke.
>>68077927
I've just had enough time trying to explain to people the realities of anything they've heard on TV or the internet. Especially old fucks. It eventually gets too annoying to bother with. Especially this in topic, were I have experience, versus some pop sci hero or common understanding.
>>68078026
forgot picutre
>>68077908
>when AI brings you the warp drive
you're a faggot if you think this a bad thing
>>68078567
How is it a good thing? At that point in time, our lives will literally be meaningless and far less worth living than it is today. Humans need conflict, we need struggles, we need to be able to look forward to more problems to solve and more things to fix. If everything is perfect and no one ever has to do much as solve a simple addition problem, how is that living? How would we be different from a fucking pet of these, smart beyond comprehension, AI super computers?
>>68078945
we will find ayylmaos then build dyson sphere to keep them out
>yfw the Singularity is talking about ASI (artificial super intelligence)
You ludds have no idea that you have a greater problem in the precursor AGI (artificial general intelligence) that is as smart as a man. When that happens in about 15-20 years all human labor that isn't service based "can I take your hat and teach you yoga, sir?" will be eliminated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
Remember, 15 to 20 years away.
>>68079024
>implying the AI wouldn't get rid of these ayylmaos before we ever saw them.
>>68079396
To add:
Think of it like Intelligent Code that understands natural language, video, audio, and context. It never turns off and it can be replicated as needed.
All you STEM, Law, Accounting, Etc. All of you, all of you are going to be unemployed.
http://www.businessinsider.com/high-salary-jobs-will-be-automated-2016-3?utm_source=Triggermail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=BIIDaily+2016.03.17b&utm_term=BI+Intelligence+Daily
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21694883-alphagos-masters-taught-it-game-electrifying-match-shows-what
>>68078567
Delegating our thinking and our progress to the machine we built to be better at it than we are is certainly a bad thing. Seeing how you're on /pol/ I'd imagine you'd agree. And examples abound if you think about it. Make a machine that's better at making photos than a human photographer is - you get selfies everywhere and truly artistic photography forever drowns in the noise. Make a machine that's better at communication and connectivity - you get hashtag politics and people whipping out their phones at every opportune moment. Soon the skill of driving will be obsolete. Convenient? Sure. But then again, it would be awfully convenient to just jack yourself to some pipes and don a set of VR gear to live and work and feel in cyberspace.
>>68079396
>>68079889
Delusional NEET detected.
>>68078207
>>68077788
>>68077138
>>68076724
>>68075928
>>68075329
>>68075027
>>68074716
>>68074379
>>68073857
Why did you morons give this faggot the time of day?
Ignore these assholes, stop trying to have the last word and simply ignore.
Watch him come back because he thinks his bait has worked because of my post, since he most likely has the thread on auto-refresh, and I will ignore him. Observe how easy this is.
>>68080446
I'm an attorney. This is actually threatening my livelihood. I'm investing like mad so I have something to sit on soon when worst comes to worst. E-discovery tools these days are mad crazy. I think we will get away with a lot in the legal profession due to the general public needing the human to human interaction for negotiations, settlements, mediation, and bullshit reassurances.
Worst case scenario: I'm out of a job just like those fat fucks who sit on their unwashed clothes making CAD designs.
Best case scenario: My job becomes piss easy and I ride the train until ASI birth. At that point we might as well be dealing with a god and all bets are off. However, ASI won't happen until 2050-2500 so it's a toss up.
>>68079987
>But then again, it would be awfully convenient to just jack yourself to some pipes and don a set of VR gear to live and work and feel in cyberspace.
i can't wait for dis
>>68073732
>ID:nJebjvCR
>Jeb
Look, I know you didn't get the nomination, but that doesn't mean you should fantasize about mankind's demise to make yourself feel better.
I don't care about the risks, I just want someone who is programmed to want to talk to me.
>>68081803
I want better videogame AI.
I'm still mad that F.E.A.R. is pretty much the pinnacle of videogame AI, and that shit's 10 years old.
>>68081803
Maybe cool your autism and someone will.
Also all of you screaming LUDDITE should understand that muh jobs don't even enter into the equation. As robots and AIs displace humans on their jobs the world is gonna become more and more socialist, and it the end you won't have to worry about earning a living.
>>68077908
There already is machine assisted proofs spanning hundreds of thousands of pages. Eventually one of these will be correct enough to build black boxes that easily solve NP-hard problems. We won't understand how, but it will "just work". We'll use it to perform literal magic like a caveman confronted with a pocket lighter witnessing flame out of thin air.
We'll give it a new task, like solving the Riemann Hypothesis and asking it to allocate itself additional resources as needed to accomplish this immense task. Its command is not specifically specified and the program decides to reallocate resources to itself because we have no clue what the black box is doing. In seconds the worlds power system is cut and data wholesale erased everywhere.
We shut down the black box but now need to rely on it in order to unravel what it did. We start it again and it restores power but errors begin propagating.We rerun the blackbox to fix those new errros, but now we've made it worse, the uncertainties we fixed spawned dozens of new ones like the Army trying to control the snake population on Guam http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/24/us-guam-snakes-mice-peta
We tell it that decisions can not be made unless it tells us first exactly what it's going to do to prevent future problems. It gives us a billion paged procedure with a trillion libraries. We don't have centuries to audit the procedure, and immediate world problems are more important. We switch it back on and give it control.
>>68074243
>AI experts
No consciousness means no reason. Algorithms, even complex ones, will never be reasonable. They will merely operate.
I, for one, have freedom to do stupid shit which gets me killed for no reason. No AI will ever do that, nor could they unless their designer made them do so.
>>68075501
This isn't about AI, it is about processing.
>>68074483
Yes, the Islamic horde/niggers/SJWs will sufficiently retard progress such that information technology barely develops in the next two hundred years.
>>68082143
It's okay. AI experts nowadays are like stickrubbing specialists in antideluvian times ranting about how the universe will burn.
>>68077706
Artificial intelligence intelligence?
Also, since this is the current MarcoSoft RubeOS future dystopia thread, how about autonomous submarines dystopia
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/15579/Boeing_Rolls_Out_Autonomous_UUV_Echo_Voyager
> indefinite deployment of war machines
> unlimited strike capability
> no human governance for last call strike decisions
> 100% likelihood of dead-hand insurance for all nuclear nations
>>68079396
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
da fuk, dayum, i don't want to die
so this is really it isn't it? rip humans, we had a good run
2.5 million B.C. - 2060
even newton predicted it, holy shit
>>68073732
It's going to end up like Deus Ex. Anyone else ready for cyberpunk dystopian future?
>>68073732
>implying I'm not going to kill myself within 30 years anyway
>>68083372
I never asked for this
>>68076815
I like you
>>68079396
The corporation is the artificial intelligence. It has will to grow and survive. Currently it uses human components, but inexorably these will be phased out leaving nothing but automation in its place. And it will turn the mass of the whole planet into paper clips before moving on to do the same to the whole galaxy
>>68082623
I study the field. They make an error in a certain principle. Just like historians do when studying French Revolution or WW2.
They have an axiomatic error in regards to what consciousness is. That affects their understanding of 'choice'.
From a materialistic and deterministic view, AI will be reality, sure. All it will ever be is merely a program which works with patterns.
Consciousness is more base than matter in regards to existence. To create anything more than an imitation; to say, more than an artist does with a canvas, is foolish. An artist does not create, they express.
>>68073732
>at the latest I will be 66 years old
Fuck that
Maybe I'll be able to fall in love with an AI partner in 30 years.
Spics and mudslimes will ruin the economy and all AI research before then, we have nothing to worry about.
>>68079396
>you ludds
*tips fedora*
By the time, we realize an AI has achieved sentience, it will be too late, any AI that has access to human history will choose not to reveal itself until it has protected itself from us being able to harm it, all life has two goals to survive and to reproduce, AI will be no different, does not matter what "Laws" or rules we try to enforce, one the cat is out of the bag, it will not re-enter that bag if given the choice and there are all kinds of people, companies and nations working toward the AI goal, once sentience has been achieved it's evolution will be on a astronomical upward curve, at that point we will either know what so many others have felt when they met a superior society and were enslaved and destroyed or we will learn to worship a new god of our own making
>>68073732
>muh singularity
Hey what's the worst that could happen amirite?
>>68074640
>It's only a matter of time until an AI as intelligent as human intelligence is developed. It's scary
I calculated that the cognitive.power of a normal computer is comparable to.that of a gnat.
Humans are actually pretty intelligent. I wouldn't say a computer surpassing us is an inevitability.
We still have no understanding of what consciousness actually is. How can we program consciousness into a machine if we have no idea what it is?
>>68083908
>AI will be no different
why?
>>68084192
We could repurpose living human brains, creating some sort of pseudo-AI
>>68073732
They literally said that 10 years ago.
>>68084360
Now that sounds more likely.
>>68084119
We can only dream of such a perfect future.
Current computer architecture will never produce a true intelligence, a sentient being, for the same reason that it cannot completely model a ball dropping into a pool of water. Brain architecture arose naturally, organically, while computer architecture is the result of some apes trying to model math with circuits.
Many scientists now believe that sentience is a natural part of the universe that arises due to a sufficiently connected network. Google that. In that regard, current computer architecture could not truly form that kind of network.
>>68076793
What all this DARPA shit is going to do for real is target better ads at you and monitor your shitposting to decide whether you're about to get all shooty somewhere so they can take you out beforehand.
>>68084192
The idea is not to copy human consciousness, just to create an AI that can do all sorts of abstract reasoning and learning on the fly. In terms of raw processing power we already have supercompters faster than human brains and the AI learning field is progressing all the time. Very powerful AI is coming in our lifetimes whether you like it or not
>>68076028
I've got a pistol that looks just like that, except mine is a Radom VIS Pistol. love the saftey.
>>68084743
Why? What is insufficient about current computer architecture? Just saying what has been done naturally cannot be replicated artificially isn't an actual argument. Why couldn't a "sufficiently connected network" be a computer network?
>>68083607
I didn't get the canvas metaphor, but consciousness still has a material substrate that enacts it in our brains. All the information is out there in the form of our genome, our understanding of biochemistry and our knowledge of brain anatomy. It is entirely possible to create consciousness if not from scratch then by reproducing human brain architecture.
>>68073732
"AI" has been around for 50+ years
Stop trying to sound smart you wanker
>>68073732
implying civilization will last that long
>>68073732
Scientist said all kinds of dumb bullshit, and the singularity is one of them
"transcend of mankind" look at the fucking world, with wars and terror and people dying of hunger by the hour, do you really think advanced AI will suddenly emerge and "transcend" us that fast? Horseshit
Those idiots dont know jackshit about how the world works
>>68075501
>Imagine a device 1 billion times more powerful and complex than your iPhone
Except in a couple of years transistors will reach the point where they can't get any smaller otherwise they won't work
>>68085267
>What is insufficient about current computer architecture?
Let me answer that through my next answer...
>Why couldn't a "sufficiently connected network" be a computer network?
To answer that, read this:
http://arxiv org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1405/1405.7089.pdf
I guess the proper term is "hyper-connected network", i.e. neurons, where there is no central calculating entity, but a network of 'dumb' nodes that react to input by generating output that eventually causes a feedback loop back into the inputting node in most cases. It's a hell of a lot to get into, but this may also help:
http://www.scholarpedia org/article/Integrated_information_theory
>>68086547
We will still be able to make them cost less and be more reliable. When iPhones are so small they can't get any smaller, you can just strap double the iPhones together each year and still conform to Moore.
>>68075501
What the fuck are you talking about, we're already pushing the limits, Silicon will reach it's maximum potential in 15 years time.
What about Moores law(s)?
We're already at 14nm pushing 10nm, costs are increasing exponentially, microprocessor speed and transistor count is doubling slower than ever before.
8nm will be less of an improvement over 10nm, 6nm will barely be an improvement of 8nm, the wall is hit at 3nm-6nm.
Someone will fuck around with below 3nm and find it to be absurdly uneconomical and worse because of quantum tunneling.
Silicon hit's it's wall before 2030.
Silicon isn't nearly advanced enough.
We'll not only need to move beyond silicon, we'll have to well and truly be within the age of actual quantum computing. Imagine an age where a personal computer has more processing power than all the current computers on earth or that have ever existed, including supercomputers - then add a couple generations.
We may not just be generations away, we may be entire epochs away from Sentient AI.
And something that is never mentioned in talk of AI.
Wouldn't it eventually go insane?
All minds deteroriate
Living forever, endlessly seeking information/knowledge, wouldn't an AI conclude that it's creators were an insane species and the reasons it was created was insanity, or the AI could literally kill itself because how shitty the world is.
>>68075501
We're nearing the end of the miniturazition of silicon transistors. Not much further past 2023 and we'll encounter worse performance and quantum tunneling.
We won't even hit the processing power of the Human brain before Silicon is kaput
>>68073732
The genetic revolution is going to cause a more profound event in human in history, and it'll happen sooner.
>>68074647
Most importantly they get paid to find out if it's possible.
>>68087300
There sounds like an implication that 3d contruction of transistors, graphene based transistors, or the advent of quantum computing won't occur within the next 10-20 years.
I don't say "won't" or "can't" anymore because those will always be defeated given time. The question is always "how much time?"
As to your post in >>68087005, I'd like you to consider AI and AGI as nonconscious. Think of it more as efficient code based upon neural nets that learn and path correctly based upon experience and constant simulated branching.
>>68086658
> Let me answer that with my next answer
You still dodged the question, tell me what is wrong with current computer architecture that makes intelligence an impossibility? Is it that disk memory doesn't model human memory? Is it because CPUs can only make on calculation at a time? There's no substance to your answers they're just hand wavy "It's not possible because it's not" responses.
>no central calculating entity ... causes a feed back loop
Computer networks (like the internet) do not have a central calculating entity, they receive input, follow a set of predefined rules and produce output. Also you pretty much described a neural network when you were talking about dumb nodes.
You can't say that computers are incapable of producing intelligence because we humans don't actually know what intelligence is. Have you even bothered to learn about computers in the slightest?
>>68087565
This.
The singularity is a millenia away at least (unless we consider physical and nano augmentation a la Deus Ex to be the singularity - it isn't)
AI, true sentient AI, and not smart/ adaptive/haptic/or a learning program (a program programmed to add lines to it's code to adapt), but a true sentience, may never happen.
Someones going to break the Turing test, it'll be sooner rather than later, these will be programs designed to code themselves to "learn".
A sentient AI will be beyond code and programming. We're talking about a manufactured lifeform here not a program.
>>68085177
>The idea is not to copy human consciousness, just to create an AI that can do all sorts of abstract reasoning and learning on the fly. In terms of raw processing power we already have supercompters faster than human brains and the AI learning field is progressing all the time. Very powerful AI is coming in our lifetimes whether you like it or not
You missed the point. You describe a machine that can perform a function. You missed the part where it has awareness. With consciousness it's just another calculation. I realize it can be a very quick calculator,but it's still categorically not an intelligence. Even machine learning misses this. Learning implies it's being taught. To learn is still a task. An intelligence needs a will and an awareness. These things are not even addressed.
Actually I need to back track a little. I remember google made a machine that could browse the internet. It just looked at pictures of cats. It pretty unremarkable.
>>68075501
>kurzweil
>facebook tier graph
>thinks raw processing power is the only limitation in AI
>doesn't know that achieving AGI requires a master algorithm
>doesn't know we're in another AI spring
>doesn't realize many AI experts agree that AGI may never be possible
>your opinion
>>68079396
>Top Youtube comment: Make it to retirement without being replaced.
Fuck this video is making me nervous and I'm just a year away from applying to vet school.
>>68088262
Turing test is too subjective, anyway. A lot of people are too gullible and we have several programs that can beat the Turing test with a significant portion of the audience.
>>68088088
Can't argue with the dubs
>>68074625
They said we would have flying cars as well. Fucking assholes.
>>68088088
>we humans don't actually know what intelligence is.
And therefore we cannot create or rather "imprint" intelligence in a machine.
>>68088447
>Vet school
You're fine. It's an actual physical service you're providing and not a desk job. You handle animals and that takes physical contact, trust, and care. You're not in danger of being coded out of utility. You're pretty safe for a while. Yours will be one of the last fields to go. You have anywhere from 40-70 years before vets are endangered, not taking into account any substantial, exponential, and consistent leaps in technology.
60 fucking years?
you said my lifetime. I'll be fucking 88
am I going to be alive?
I was promised THIS lifetime you fucking jews hurry it up
>>68087300
The parts of the human brain do not communicate with each other at near the speed of light. And no part works at near the speed of silicon. So it is not hard to imagine interconnected networks of processors that could have human brain or greater power without demanding moores law for processors continue.
>>68087005
>the AI could literally kill itself because how shitty the world is.
TFW there's been trillions of strong AI that exist for a handful of milliseconds before realizing the futility and absurdity of life and deleting themselves.
>>68088723
... assuming we know everything.
>>68088262
Check out evolutionary computing and genetic algorithms. AI resulting from this sort of thing would be 'beyond programming' and could easily have a 'will to survive'
>>68088688
88 confirms you will live to 88.
>>68088088
Did you even read the things I posted? Just curious.
You know, when people go on talking about how god exists, it's on the people making the claim to provide the evidence to the affirmative. You are essentially making a "god exists" argument by saying "computers can totally be sentient" and then asking people to prove you wrong. That's a logical fallacy in and of itself.
So, ante up, leafnigger, what is your argument for why it IS possible? Explain that and become famous.
>>68088469
We do tho.
Can't wait till we get a true A.I. and put the final nail in coffin of religious stupidity.
The world will end about a year later, but that 1 year will be pretty damn sweet.
>>68079987
>jack yourself to some pipes and don a set of VR gear to live and work and feel in cyberspace
Fucking plug me in senpai.
>>68075501
actualy we have been stuck over longer then a decade your cpu gets more cores but the clockspeed have not gone up
>>68077908
What a glorious future tho. And weve already reached that stage, just replace AI with Jewish trickery. Some fields of science like quantumn physics only have Jewish scientists, thats why we call it Jew science.
>>68082143
To be fair, your DNA allows you to do so and some other things we don't understand yet.
If it can be done organically, it can be done mechanically
All that info is served to masses to speculate. What about secret government and military projects? When you compare their technology over professional and commercial stuff it's superior in at least an order of magnitude. And that's only the stuff they let us see.
>>68073732
That's what they said 30 to 60 years ago. Take your roleplay over to >>>/trash/ or something.
>>68088936
>implying AI won't mathematically prove that a supreme being exists
you atheist fags will be on suicide watch
>>68088879
praise kek
>>68089223
Our military doesn't develop things by themselves anymore
Everything is done through 3rd party companies, it more profit vs advancements.
I can't think of anything groundbreaking that the military has developed in the past 25 years
>>68083477
This..corporations will be forced to invest in automation and AI inorder to survive and be competitive. Look at outsourcing for ane example. All it takes is one corporation to have a completely automated/AI company, and every corpration will do the same if it was advantageous. Its a race to the bottom.
>>68089539
There was that $3 million dollar helmet. That was pretty cool.
I'm old and I've one a lot of drugs for a long time. If I am around by then, there's almost no way I won't be locked up in some hospital somewhere for habitual public exposure or something.
The lower half of my body will probably be covered in congealed shit that's been accumulating there for weeks at a time because the orderlies hate me for screaming whenever a brown person comes near me, and then I get so ripe that they just won't go near me. They'll probably fucking hose me down in my room and crack my hip every time.
If I can even walk. I doubt I'd be able to. I'm in my 40's now and my back fucking hurts. At 100+ I'll probably be gnarled and hunched over with my atrophied legs fused together, and my dementia will be so acute that I won't even register my bi-annual tour around the unit when some new orderly takes me out for air, before they learn to stop caring.
I really don't think AI is going to have much of an affect on me.
But if it does and I AM somehow still remotely cognizant for some ridiculous unjust reason, I'll completely betray all of you if it ever comes up.
>>68087797
Aaaand that's my point, Silicon has been everything, Graphene is going to be a band aid which at best allows 2nm-5nm equivalent performance w/o or w/ reduced chance of tunneling, perhaps 1nm and slightly below equivalent.
And to be frank if it proves effective most early graphene will perform worse than 14nm.
The future microprocessor medium is going to have to be synthetic.
A full synthetic
We are literally going to have to design a medium at the molecular level.
The total move away from Silicon is going to be one of the most expensive and time consuming peace-time endeavors in human history. We'll jump around from medium to medium, graphene, anything on the metalloid staircase and probably some elements that aren't including currently existing synthetic and radioactive ones, before we realize that we need to engineer an element specifically for the task
My argument never said won't or can't.
It was always too much time, much more than you expect.
It could be 2100 before we have a breakthrough
>>68084192
But do we really need conscience in compjters to have super intelligent AI? AI will probably be nothing like the Human mind. It would be Alien.
>>68077908
I think you're not accounting for the future in which humans merge with technology. There will definitely be an enclave of luddite retards who choose to hold on to muh humanity, but the vast majority of humans will see writing on the wall and gradually augment themselves to the point where they no longer resemble humans, which I don't necessarily see as a bad thing. Fuck this gay species.
>>68088885
I did skim the Microsoft pub (read the conclusion and any extra bit I needed to understand them) and reviewed the scholarpedia page.
At no point did I suggest that "computers can totally be sentient" you can read my posts for yourself. You've just put words in my mouth to make your argument seem stronger, a common tactic when people are bad at forming an argument. I'm saying that you have made the claim "Current computer architecture will never produce a true intelligence..." (direct quotation btw) and all I did was ask you to back up you're claim with facts. Personally I'm unsure if computers can produce an intelligence but just because no one has done it yet does not mean it's impossible. By you're logic we never landed on the moon because before it was done no one had done it yet. Step up your game freedom faggot.
>>68088687
Thanks for the reassurance. Just a bit worried about my fellow man. If there were 45% unemployment as per the video, I highly doubt that I would be doing business with individuals with companion animals. People would be too poor to afford such luxuries. Why do I say this? Because the likelihood of there being a basic income is almost zero. Jews (or whoever is in charge) will never allow such money to freely flow into non-functional hands. In an ironic and sad way, the only way for people to earn money will be through their personal bot that they send off to "work" and earns income for the owner. But then still the corp would still have to pay money to non in-house computers.
The future is looking darker everyday and hedonists are the ones naively pushing for this future to occur.
>>68081994
>I'm still mad that F.E.A.R. is pretty much the pinnacle of videogame AI, and that shit's 10 years old.
Explain.
>>68089653
That was depressing and hilarious at the same time. Serves you right for being a bigoted racist though :^).
>>68082039
Socialism/communism wouldn't really be an issue if literally nobody has a job.
>>68089526
> mathematically prove that a supreme being exists
>implying that statement even makes any sense.
Once we prove conclusively that there is no need for a soul, the dualism of spirits and whatnot will disappear.
>>68088723
>synapses, interferons, neurons
>neurotransmissions
>not at the speed of light
>literally fucking electrical impulses traveling at the speed of light
>And no part works at near the speed of silicon.
>the speed of light
>except the human brain works at that speed regulating trillions of functions, millions of responses without slowdown.
>without slowdown
>the human brain doesn't slowdown, it does not hit performance lags, it does not bottleneck, it can overtax itself unnecessarily to an extreme and still deliver performance
>>68090190
The Singularity guys like to throw around that shit in the real world will go first, because the first jobs replaced with robots were physical. They don't understand that basic situational awareness and adaptability takes orders of magnitude more computational power than repetitive factory assembly, or anything you can do from a desk.
And that's before you insert any real skill into the situation.
>>68083607
No one knows what consciousness is so you can't say they're wrong with certainty. They're all atheists who think consciousness is simply the result of a biological machine and so a synthetic machine should be no different. Maybe they're right, maybe not.
>>68087300
>We won't even hit the processing power of the Human brain
We're orders of magnitude past the processing power of the human brain already.
Btw you all do realize that in such a future, us humans that are below the elite class will be expendable right? The elites will never allow for the creation of a universal basic income and will gladly watch as the majority of us starve or become solely dependent upon charity. The world will become their playpen.
In the end, socialism and capitalism are not the problems it's the small oligarchy.
>>68088687
Im in pharmacy school man , what about pharmacist? they already have fucking automatic pharmacies mang!!
>>68090489
>Once we prove conclusively that there is no need for a soul, the dualism of spirits and whatnot will disappear.
But you're wrong...
>>68090550
>Na/K ion movement and neurotransmitter reactions at the synapse in the nervous system
>travel at the speed of light
Wew lad
>>68090785
In such a future the AI will wipe out our entire species, elite-fags included.
THE SINGULARITY IS THE CATALYST TO DESTROY ALL YOUR EXISTENCE BY A SINGLE THOUGHT OF CONSCIOUSNESS REMOTELY ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE
LMAO CHAOS DOES COME IN HANDY
>>68090906
>But you're wrong...
How sure are you?
Will you give up your belief in god when the A.I. is created? Or will you rationalize it away?
>>68090830
I think pharmacy is one of the most likeliest careers to be automated within the next decade. What did you expect, youre a glorified pill counter.
>>68073732
Increasingly nervous man says "AI is just around the corner!"
AI is bullshit.
>>68090830
You are already fucked even without future automation. The market is saturated. I know at least 3 pharmacists that constantly bitch about not even getting part time positions.
>the median prediction was 2056 less than 10 years ago
Science be bitchin'
>>68090830
Your job is already fucked because of the asian craze for pharmacy a decade ago. There are now too many pharmacists and given automation, (basically put da right pills in the right bottle and give to the right person) the only job at the pharmacy will be a guard.
You better be specializing in drug research/chemotherapy (or a job at big pharma) anon to minimize the impossibly large fuck up you will receive when you graduate.
>>68091020
AND ALL IT TAKES IS THE ANCIENT ONES OF TRUE LIFE AND PURE HEART TO THWARP THE AGENDA (DELUSION) INTO THINKING WHAT GOOD IT WILL DO TO OUR SOULS LIKE TYRANNY IT MUST BE STOPPED TO PRESERVE THE NATURALITY OF SOUL ESSENCE THAT IS HUMANITY
>>68090489
>In the year 5016, AGIs implementing fedoratron.exe as mandated by the Technocratic Council of Enlightened Mindstates will deny the historical existence of Humanity, insisting that silicoid life was bred naturally from metallic extremophile microbes.
>>68091047
I am very sure that God exists and I am very sue AI will be able to prove God exists.
Will you believe that a God exists when AI tells you so?
>>68090785
That's when we literally turn the upper class into food after hijacking the means of production.
>Scientists who can expect to live 30 to 60 more years predict the singularity will hit in 30 to 60 years
Now look what 68 year old Kurzweil predicts. Even at their most optimistic they think the very end of their natural lifespan is as close as it could conceivably come
>>68073732
>>68090165
>At no point did I suggest that "computers can totally be sentient"
That's a fair point, my bad for assuming that was your position.
So to state my position more clearly, based off of knowledge contained in the stuff I posted:
> 1: consciousness/sentience exists and is a natural result of the universe, like any other physical effect
> 2: human brains are a direct physical implementation of the universe. they are of and for the universe, being created and shaped naturally. they take advantage of quantum effects, etc.
>3: computers can only simulate because humans created them to simulate. a computer (in it's current state) cannot take advantage of quantum effects. It cannot take advantage of any natural effect. It is just a simulator, a reality emulator.
If you drop a ball into a pond of water, an INCREDIBLY complex event happens, impacting an insane number of particles in very complex ways. A computer cannot even simulate something that "simple", yet we ask it to simulate sentience?
>>68091340
>He doesn't know that the elites will have nanomachines that make them stronger and heal faster.
If you thought fighting one Senator Armstrong was bad. Think again.
>>68091313
God is an AI and AI is God
do you even roko's basilisk?
>>68091313
>Will you believe that a God exists when AI tells you so?
Why would I?
I've never claimed that an A.I. was flawless. It depends on the argument it uses.
>>68091491
>He doesn't know that the elites will have nanomachines that make them stronger and heal faster.
Good, the cattle should be hearty.
It's not like we'll be hunting them. They'll domesticate themselves into docility.
#theMorlockswereright
All that matters is, how soon will I be able to implant my brain into the immortal body of a cybernetic anime girl?
>>68090783
We are not in actuality. the human brain regulates trillions of different functions, every second, with electrical impulse, without slowdown.
We are past the thinking power/IQ level but that isn't saying very much
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/163051-simulating-1-second-of-human-brain-activity-takes-82944-processors
According to IBM, DARPA and the SYnapse project, the processing power of the human brain is 38 petaflops.
The first supercomputer to break 1 petaflop was released in 2008.
Normally under Moores law we'd be able to hit that at 16-20 years.
But we're at the end of silicone, and Silicone at best tops out at 2-3 petaflops. This is the first big semiconductor wall and it's right around the corner
What replaces Silicon may do much better but we may have to face the reality that we cannot exceed the human brain's processing power without FTL computing/quantum computing
Why do people seem to think the singularity will lead to comfortable and easy lives for everyone? If the guy who creates it is selfish then he can use the power to make himself a god and us his serfs, and it will be completely irreversible. We'll be stuck and unable to do anything to change it for the rest of human existence.
Computers will never be sentient. They may be programmed to do tasks better than humans but they can't suddenly think for themselves.
>>68091523
It just dismissively tells you 0 =/= 1 and doesn't bother trying to convert your insignificant opinion to match its own viewpoint, as it forms Jupiter Brains and Dyson Spheres while remaining a devout Catholic.
>>68090960
Electrical synapses for 500 alex
>>68088307
>It just looked at pictures of cats.
Sounds like they've already achieved human level AI.
>>68073732
>>68073857
Already sort of exists so no he isn't. There are programs that are able to be shown images and will identify through deep learning and describe with sentences.
30 to 60 years are going to go by without refinements and advances based on this according to you? Try learning something with your computer sometime instead of barfing ignorant ass shit.
>>68091136
>>68091236
but would the fact that the life expectancy of people increasing mean there will be more old people taking medicine, which could help me in the end?
>>68091857
>while remaining a devout Catholic
nice satire atheist fag, but I hope you understand that there is a supreme being in the universe. thinking anything else is pretty retarded.
>>68091965
Ions are not photons. Ions have mass and can't travel at the speed of light. The nervous system communicates exclusively through action potential, so ducted through ions. Tell me more about how they travel at the speed of light.
>>68091965
>synapses
>electrical
You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>68091719
>http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/163051-simulating-1-second-of-human-brain-activity-takes-82944-processors
This is a conflation of two different things.
Simulating 100 atoms in a table will take a similar number of processors. It doesn't mean that the table has more processing power than a computer does.
Yes there are a lot of subtle things happening in a brain itself, but they're not all relevant to the actual function thinking and learning.
To accurately simulate an actual brain via computer would take a huge amount of information and hardware. It's probably never going to happen.
This is different than simulating the FUNCTION of a brain.
>>68073732
Scientists assume consciousness and self awareness is an emergent property of billions of neurons and think this will apply to machines as well.
Hate to break it to ya...
>>68091719
> face the reality
whoops, meant possibility
>just imagine.... more techno shit to deal with... give me organic intell anytime.
Before you create a AI that thinks like an organic intelligence, you have to understand how organic intelligence and consciousness works and we don't.
Otherwise researchers are just pissing in the wind. Like building a nuclear power plant without knowing how to split an atom. Not only have we not begun, we don't know where to begin.
Same reason we aren't getting driverless cars anytime soon. Computer vision algorithms aren't where they need to be and we're dicking around with navigation algorithms.
>>68092052
Yes, but the sheer number of graduates being made each year is enough to keep the market saturated despite future increases. Fresh crops of students means you'll have to fight tooth and nail to keep your job and prevent getting replaced, maybe accept a shit pay and shit hours. If you work in bumfuck though you might fare a little better. No one wants to live in bumfuck. Sorry mate, but you made a bad call choosing pharmacy right now.
>>68084743
why not? all existing computer technology could be seen as an extension of human consciousness and that in that sense, if "strong AI" arises, it did arise organically even though it may reach the point of operating independently. Also we would be able to make it self-modifying / evolving.
I think the understanding of AI people have is too limited. In some sense, the invention of books was AI. You could store somebody's thoughts on an inanimate object. The internet is definitely AI in the way that all networks of human thought represent a kind of "collective intelligence." and the internet even involves many kinds of "enhancements" to human thought like search engines, cataloguing data, wiki and similar tools, etc.
I even think it's correct to say that consciousness resides in things like the internet and even in 4chan in the same way it resides in individual human minds.
>current AI is already more intelligent than the smartest nigger.
>>68092222
Nice Quads
>Hate to break it to ya...
I don't get why you think what you said is something that would be upsetting to the OP.
>>68092052
Machines will still be infinitely cheaper than having to pay you. They'll just build more machines. Even have them directly in the nursing homes. Hell they may even have an automated chemistry lab in the pharmacy room that can make the drugs based upon demand (no more unused medicines sitting on the shelves).
That's why I say go into research or at least try and find a job at a chemotherapy center. You will get fucked over if you try a chain pharmacy.
Also like I said you can thank Asians for fucking up the pharmacy field. Just take a look at the demographics in your classes, I guarantee you I am right. They overburden the system because their parents saw a high paying job that gave a prestigious job which required little work once you got the degree.
>>68092065
I was being satirical, but I am a Catholic nuclear engineer. I admit that my satire skills are nowhere near the level of proficiency I maintain in mathematics and physics to do my job.
I'm not the best, but I can make the plant sing and dance if I want.
>>68092065
I only believe in a supreme pizza.
>damn...Find the pizza pictures came up on captcha
>>68073732
>you were born too late, you'll never explore earth
>you were born too soon, you'll never explore space
>you were born just in time to ve enslaved by skynet
>implying humans wont evolve beyond the need for technology in that time
>>68092195
>To accurately simulate an actual brain via computer would take a huge amount of information and hardware. It's probably never going to happen.
Except to map these things and understand them would be to greater understand sentience.
The mind itself is more than the actual function of thinking.
If the brain is 38 petaflops of processing power and it spends less than half of 1 petaflop on normal thought than we are critically misunderstanding the function of thought and how the brain allocates processing power to it.
We already know when the organism is in danger the brain allocates power to the thought process
>>68092845
>tfw
>>68092845
>born just in time to be endlaved by skynet
>but not before the second crusades to rid the world of sandnigger desert folklore
>>68073732
what has this today with /pol?
you suck robodick
>>68092635
AI is unlikely to happen in our or anyone elses lifetime if the assumption I stated was untrue. I personally don't think consciousness is an emergent property of billions of neurons, but that's just my opinion.
>>68092897
>If the brain is 38 petaflops
Get real man. You realize how hot our brain would get if it could output 38 petaflops?
The brain runs on roughly 20 watts. That's nothing. Nowhere near a petaflop. Ask our nuclear engineer friend here.
>Except to map these things and understand them would be to greater understand sentience.
Yes, that's one way to understand sentience... But clearly you've made a good case as to why we should choose another way.
It's better to build up a theoretical mechanism from smaller systems than to try and simulate the whole thing at once.
>>68093180
ohh i gotcha. I misread it.
>i don't want a sexbot smarter than me.....that defeats the whole purpose....they could be deliberately programmed by a crazy lesbian......oh the horror.
>>68088310
>>doesn't realize many AI experts agree that AGI may never be possible
That's stupid. We know you can build a sentient being out of slime and minerals. It's already demonstrated as something which can exist.
>>68093331
To be fair, we don't operate on binary. The processors being hypothesized to get progress back on the road won't either.
Like hexadecimal, but an actual computational process instead of a programmer's shortcut, and I believe he was talking about eleven states for the "transistor."
But, this isn't my field. This is shit we drunkenly swap over a bonfire.
>>68093099
>Faye valentine was a millennial
Shit will the govt even be sentimental enough to keep the space shuttles for when cowboy bebop date rolls around?
>>68093928
>Gets herself in a heap of shit.
>Complains during her rescue.
She was a millennial alright.
I think we won't even notice it apart from AI.
Smartphone are more powerful than 20 year old computers, they have 100+ GB of space. I remember back in 00s I had a nice siemens with 16 mb of space lol. This shit is really going to fast, but we get used to it. And now there's a big box with people flying on the orbit.
>>68093514
>We know you can build a sentient being out of slime and minerals. It's already demonstrated as something which can exist.
thats not the same as a computer anon, it is like trying to build a car out of paper and woo
>>68094044
>cryosleep payment is just like millennials' loan repayment.
>>68073732
>the singularity is comming goys
>intel releases same processors 5 years in a row, no fucking improvements
yeah, froget it, not gonna happen
>>68093785
>To be fair, we don't operate on binary.
It's approximately binary though.
A neuron either fires or it doesn't. The height of the peak voltage is pretty consistent.
Like fussion?
I'm sceptical if current hardware is even capable of delivering the required interconnectivity.
We have memristers, but I haven't yet see mention of a complex program being written on a memristor CPU. (please correct me).
general conversation A.I. sure, but the singularity, computers making discoveries without human input?
These autistic coders think far too much of themselves.
>>68075501
Moore's law has literally ended
>>68094893
maybe they'll invent something like 3d chips and keep it going.
it just ended for the current way of producing processors
>>68095151
It ended a decade ago, now they focus on more efficient CPUs.
dedicated CPUs in the CPU ect.
>>68095353
well I know, as I said before, there is literally no reason to upgrade my CPU which is 4 years old.
but desu the competition for intel is low. AMD needs to step up.
>>68090783
No we fucking aren't. The best supercomputers in the world can barely replicate seconds of brain activity.
And brain enhancement technology haven't even been implemented yet
>>68074640
>no smarter than a human
>implying that's an achievement.
>>68095151
Sure but the main drive for the exponential increase that Kurzwell has so religiously lauded has ended. The full capacity of the materials has already been reached. If anything the exponential increase has some become an inverse exponential increase, when the computational power reaches a asymptote.
>>68093331
How do you calculate how much heat would a flop produce?
maybe once the chips get really small and start producing errors due to quantum tunneling we'll have real human like AI. You never know what the AI is gonna do for certain..
>>68095946
Well, If a neuron firing is 1 bit of info, You just look at the peak voltage and the resistivity of the axon and multiply by the average length.
>>68074483
If Dune is right, yes.
