Global warming is a hoax
>"Now, in May 2015, the updated NASA data show polar sea ice is approximately 5 percent above the post-1979 average."
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/#d2d172232da1
>"But since 2007, there has been a growing focus on the fact that global average temperatures haven't gone above the level recorded in 1998."
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-24173504
>>67756892
>>67756961
this winter was the warmest in the last 20 years in Russia.
also, there is no global warming or global freezing, there is increased climate instability due to man factor.
>>67756892
>Global warming is a hoax
>The Greenhouse effect is a hoax
Sure thing Nils. Whatever you say.
>>67756892
Yes, because multifactoral issue is solely correlated with one fact showing the opposite.
>>67756892
>Global warming is a hoax
goldman sachs is making trillions off carbon credits. they invented the exchange its traded on
Little ice age again when?
>>67757513
Kikes make money out of anything they can.
>>67757526
Not in a while. If anything, anthropogenic climate change will stop it from happening.
>>67757029
>there is no warming or cooling
>still mentions a warm winter as an argument
>>67757223
>0.04% Co2 in the air
Kid, water vapor might do something. But if we get more of that, it will might start stopping sun light from coming in. The opposite of green house effect.
(Since more clouds)
>>67757359
>One fact
No change in temperature sine 1998
No change is sea ice since 1979
K, kid.
>>67757562
nigga, I'm telling you that there is more and more extremes. Warmest winter this years, coldest winter couple of years ago.
try to comprehend
>>67757651
Guess what shithead? The Earth's climate has been changing for millions of years! Yep!
There was so much oxygen during the time of the dinosaurs, that if they were transported here now they would fucking collapse and die!
Fluctuations in climate doesn't prove climate change, it only proves natural cycles of Earth.
>>67757562
>No change in temperature sine 1998
So we're absolutely stuck on a singular point in temperature? I'm pretty sure it was warmer yesterday, but whatever.
>>67757768
Congratulations, anon! You, with your retardedly simple logic and a grade schooler's knowledge on the subject matter are smarter and better than the thousands of university educated scientists working in the field.
Is there money to be made from climate change?
>>67757916
Yes. Why do you think carbon credits exist?
>>67757954
To try to get the emissions down?
>>67757876
Congratulations Pekka, your retardedly simple logic and grade schooler's knowledge on the subject matter are smarter and better than the thousands of university educated scientists who say that race doesn't exist.
Keep believing your chosen scientists
>>67757916
time to start your own graveyard, there is going to be a lot of work
>>67757562
>0.04% Co2 in the air
Yes and?
>>67757768
Guess what shithead?
Sometimes it's possible for things to happen to quickly
>>67758028
What do you mean by this, Sergei?
>>67757992
Wew, laddyboy. Show me one credible scientist who claims that race doesn't exist and has evidence to back it up. The average global temperature and climate heat content has been going up. It's provable.
>>67757828
No, it haven't been any changes since 1998. Its been pretty stable or a "pause" in climate change.
>>67757876
But these scientists predictions have been wrong. There should be ice free arctics and a flooded Netherlands by now.
>>67758088
That Australia is going to get so warm that people will die.
>>67758138
>160 years over the course of millions of years
Like I said, fluctuations
>>67758147
>No, it haven't been any changes since 1998. Its been pretty stable or a "pause" in climate change.
That's objectively wrong.
>But these scientists predictions have been wrong
Science is a self-correcting field. It's wrong sometimes, especially when you have thousands of different computer models for as many possible realities you can think of. Of course only the ones that represent reality will be correct.
>There should be ice free arctics and a flooded Netherlands by now.
Because Al Gore said so? He's not a scientist, you know. He's a politician.
>>67758164
Humanity won't even exist by then. Humans will be extinct within 100 years.
>>67758164
We already are. Last year was hottest on record, again lmao. Autumn is a month late. The flowers are blooming at weird times.
Ps ily finbro but you can't reason with fuckwit americans, too much fat clogging up their brains
>>67758237
So is it God who's causing these fluctuations? Because the current trend is clearly not natural.
>ITT: Armchair scientists
>>67758397
160 years over the course of millions is not a relative sample size. You have no idea what "natural" is
>>67758439
t. armchair whitey
>>67756892
>confusing weather with climate.
Stop being so fucking retarded.
>>67756961
But this clearly shows that the anomalies have grown SIGNIFICANTLY in severity since 2000
>>67758455
>millions of years
there is scientific evidence that since the turn of the industrial revolution that the air has 40% more carbon in it.
>>67758455
Then tell me, what's causing this current warming trend? No known natural effect could be causing the current trend of increasing temperature, whilst according to data, models and studies, anthropogenic greenhouse gasses are the cause of the current trend.
>>67758332
Also everyone is going to die from skin cancer, which you don't need to wait 100 years for.
>>67758359
It's happening all over the world.
You know I'm going to send like a insane rambling SJW here but what if the reason so many people and the USA government is denying global warming is because of racism? Think about it all the reports says that the middle east, Africa and other warm places are going to be hit the hardest. So it makes them go
>Oh who cares, it's only people of different skin colour who will suffer from it. Meanwhile I will finally be able to make wine in my backyard
Compare this situation to when the ozone hole was a big deal. We fixed that rather quickly did we not? Why? Because it was directly threatening Australia
>>67758676
>No known natural effect could be causing the current trend of increasing temperature,
The sun
>>67758676
beef. become vegan
>>67758705
I don't go in the sun much
>>67758758
>scientists forgot about the big glowing orb in the sky
Anon, pls.
http://sun.stanford.edu/LWS_Dynamo_2009/61797.web.pdf
>>67758847
You know what they say, sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees.
>sea ice hasn't changed
That's true. Now look at all the charts showing permafrost plummeting and realize what a disaster it's going to be
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com.au/2015_02_01_archive.html
Has no one on this board heard of the Chem trail studies conducted after 9/11?
>>67756892
lol, Norway.
I guess the faggot science deniers aren't just in the USA.
The Romans sprinkled lead on their food, thought nothing of it. We today know it was retarded of them to do so, but go back in time and tell them and you'd be laughed at.
The sad thing is that in thousands of years people will wonder "what the fuck was wrong with those fucking 21st century niggers? How fucking retarded were they? It was obvious that they were fucking up the planet's climate, how fucking inbred retarded can you possibly get??"
In a thousand years everyone will know that GW is real. No one will deny it. Unfortunately all the fucking dumb retarded niggers like OP will be dead. OP you're a braindead nigger. Kill yourself.
>yfw replacing the bacteria in cows stomachs systems with the bacteria in kangaroo stomachs would probably do more to help global warming than most anything else
http://sciencenordic.com/disappointed-scientists-damn-kangaroos-fart-methane
The annoying thing is that the article paints it as a failure, while they say that kangaroos produce as little as a quarter of the methane of cows, so you'd still be reducing methane production by a factor of 4.
>>67759001
>9000
nice
>Kill yourself
ugh wasted on an underage b&
>>67759001
We are polluting less and less tho and will have to move on to a different energy source when we run empty of fossil fuels.
So it will fix itself without the need to do much really.
>>67758957
Well it ain't galactic cosmic radiation either.
>>67759001
Is it a coincidence that Norway is an oil country?
>>67758962
>Chem trail studies conducted after 9/11?
>after
No a conspiracy theory at all...
>>67759057
Not going to change anything as long as the Poos, Chinks and Africans exist in such large amounts.
>>67759001
In a thousand years I'll be dead and won't care
>>67759057
That's sounds like an awful idea, you can't just put bacteria from one species into another.
>>67759145
Good
>>67759218
Africans aren't even doing much to make it worse, it's the western world and China who does
>>67759290
Yet you care about preserving the white race?
>>67759125
>>67759170
Canada is an oil country too. I'm not some hippy faggot who protests the building of pipelines. Whatever. Burn fossil fuels, idgaf, Canada is too cold anyway. I'm not concerned about GW.
But don't be a lying fucking retarded braindead piece of shit and pretend it isn't happening, and pretend it isn't because of us. It's fucking happening, we're doing it, stop being a retarded and/or dishonest shitlord.
>>67759339
Yes you swede cuck, I'm sure you know more about this than biologists. It's impossible and they just forgot to check to see if they could do it before engaging in half a decade of studies.
>>67759381
Who said I care? In a thousand years the white race won't exist either
>>67759339
>Africans aren't even doing much to make it worse, it's the western world and China who does
Just wait until they start raising their standard of living. Oh boy. There's almost certainly going to be a migrant wave of sub-Saharan niggers this summer due to all the mass-breeding they do down there.
The world could really do with a pandemic that culls down the population of these groups.
>>67759467
true
>warmest winter since EVER
>global warming is a hoax guys
Just let it sink in for a moment that the people with the power are literally and I mean literally selling out future.
A profit is to be made at the expense of the Earth's future. Everyone knows what is going on but nobody wants to do anything about it. People have been killed for less and yet the continue to go about their business.
>>67759408
Transferring bacteria from one species to another is how we got disease like tuberculosis
I couldn't care less about global warming, even if it is real. Humans will eventually die out, whether it's because of an ice age, immense heat, or an asteroid. Who cares whether we die out in 100 years or 2000? Focus on what's important.
>>67759511
>Implying they will
You really think that the powers that are want to see a nonshithole Africa?
>>67757988
Good goy.
>>67759655
I remember winters and summers when I was a child. The seasons changed much more predictably, the temperatures didn't vary as much.
Now we're not sure when the fuck spring will happen, its delay causes minor wildlife crises in the UK every year now. We have no idea whether it will snow one day or actually be about 10 degrees. Our summers are starting to get as hot as most "exotic" destinations, with temperatures in the high twenties, and low 30's regularly recorded in the UK last summer.
Every single fucking year we have droughts, every single fucking year breaks a new record for droughts in the summer and rainfall in autumn/winter. Every fucking year breaks a new heat record.
>>67759954
irony really is lost of americans, isn't it.
>>67759873
Of course not. That would stop them from abusing the local communities, stripmining all of their resources and leaving a few pennies into the country whilst taking all the profit for themselves. Too bad China and India are going to improve, which is even worse.
>>6775689
>Global warming is a hoax
Climate Change is NOT a hoax.
BTW, polar bears love to swim and catch fish.
Scientists were right about the ozone layer. Why would this be any different?
>>67757876
Finland you're amazing at arguments.
But don't waste your precious talent with burgers.
>>67760035
what a bunch of BS
>>67759828
What the fuck are you talking about? Human tuberculosis is thousands of years old and is spread through the air.
>>67760177
Compelling argument my pakistani friend.
How old are you, 16?
>>67760035
Sounds awful, do you even get snow during the winter?
>Tfw you live in the north and snow didn't come until January. Meaning no snow during Christmas
>To make it worse parents lives in southern Sweden which hasn't had snow for years and defiantly not during Christmas
How am I supposed to get in the christiams mood or happy during the season if there is no snow?
>>67760071
Now that is true
>>67760262
your comment is a bunch of half truths and exaggerations. Not much more to say
>>67760184
And it came from pigs, just like the flu came from birds.
>>67759386
WOW
The winter here in sweden only truly begun around christmas and it first now that it has ended.
The climate has really started to fuck up.
>>67760262
you're doing what americans and australians do when a fellow american or aussie doesn't agree with them, you accuse them of being a chink or a mexican. why is that?
>>67760553
but the politicians and oil and coal companies will tell you that is normal.
isn't it normal to have a shorter and warmer winter?
>>67760035
Old fag here. It used to be that Halloween was a fucking cold night where I live. Everyone's costume had to be winter friendly, because there was a foot or two of snow on the ground and it was -10 at least.
Winter didn't fuck off until late April/early May. My grandparents skated on the lake in winter, and it was fine, everyone did it. My parents only did it when they were young.
Fast forward to today - the lake hasn't even frozen at all except for two winters ago when it was extremely cold, and that was the only winter in the last 25 that it has frozen.
Nowadays it's chilly on Halloween, but only about 0. And no snow. And these days the snow is gone in March.
It really hit me when I looked at pics of my grandma skating on the lake as a little girl. No one does that anymore. No one.
>Global warming is a hoax
YES BURN ALL THEM FOSSIL FUELS BOYS
>>67760703
>Middle of January
>Usually it's -30C with a plenty of snow
>This year it was -5c with hardly any snow.
>>67756892
Sea ice is thin and seasonal, not a significant metric of climate change.
It's the permanent 2km+ thick ice sheets that are melting a sign of rising temperatures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU
>>67756892
>all these goys sapping up the global warming myth
TOP K E K lads, this is too great. Bow to your local EPAs run by Jews
So do you guys think there is global warming going on, or just that the climate is being more extreme and random? You can't seem to make up your minds.
>>67760818
= ( we 'fuk the planet
In my lifetime I've noticed the seasons are all fucked up. It was almost like we didn't have a proper winter this year, I was scraping ice about twice. We had a weird extended cold/wet period though, it must have rained for a month straight at one point.
Also bulbs in my garden have tried to start spring twice now. Also I've got fucking wasps in my firewood who reanimate when brought into the house when usually they freeze to death regular as anything.
This is all anecdotal. I've also noticed a massive reduction in biodiversity as well in my own lifetime. We seemingly used to have 'nature'. Now we've got managed parks and farmland and it is all this homogenised brown/green continuation of itself. Can't even find anything genuinely 'wild' in this country anymore. Expect I'll see the end of hedgehogs and bumblebees and other staples from my childhood.
I cycle 10 miles from the country to the city alongside a river to work and back most days and I get a fairly solid idea of what the plants, weather and wildlife has changed like over the last 10 years. It has never seemed so bleak. Otter? No, not anymore, more like a fucking crisp packet or plastic bottle.
>>67760724
you know the funny thing, too, is that coal smog actually reduces temperatures, so China's coal orgy is somewhat mitigating GW. When China stops pumping so much smog into the air global temps are going to skyrocket.
>>67760649
>but the politicians and oil and coal companies will tell you that is normal.
Not in this country they will.
>>67757916
Someone's gotta handle all the money involved in green energy initiatives, tax credits, and renewable/sustainable energy R&D/sale.
As long as you're properly invested, there's a shitload of money in it.
Global Warming is real and mostly human driven. End of story.
Reminder that the coastlines used to look like this during the last ice age.
>>67761098
>global temps are going to skyrocket
And the incidence of respiratory diseases are going to plummet
>>67760840
Found the stormfag, guys.
>>67760035
You make lots of assumptions and strange conclusions. First of all, your personal experiences may be relevant when it comes to determining which shampoo you prefer, but when it comes to the global climate your finite number of local, highly subjective data points in your malleable memory are beyond doubt completely useless.
Secondly, there are so many different records that almost every single year breaks some kind of record. Even if the statement that every year broke a new record were true, it doesn't really convene any relevant information. Further, media is hardly unbiased when it comes to which records or climatological findings they will report.
Few climatologists doubt global warming is to a large extent caused by humans, and even fewer doubt that global warming is occurring. The extent of these is under debate though, and the widespread belief that 'personal experiences of the climate being somehow different now from what it was before' are a direct observation of anthropogenic global warming rather than a subjective interpretation of completely random events is unscientific and plain ridiculous.
>>67762853
Show me an old fart who doesn't come out with shit like "we had proper winters when I was younger, we used to have to trek through the snow to school in april!" or "the pond used to freeze at the end of september and stay like it until well into march when I was a girl!". Just humans doing what they do. I don't think that it is supposed to be scientific.
Also show me a person who is in the process of turning from a younger person into an old fart who is able to relate their own shit like this to the shit that old people (anyone older than themselves) comes out with.
Doesn't mean that data, isn't going to translate into fucking millions of personally experienced and described situations over a lifetime though. Doesn't free those from bias or suddenly make them subject to the same impartial evidence based shit as good science, but the flaw there is in pointing out the damn obvious.
>>67763175
>Just humans doing what they do. I don't think that it is supposed to be scientific.
There's a difference between not being scientific and being unscientific though. Saying that you like cats is not scientific. Saying that cats are dogs is unscientific. Not recognizing that one's past memories are influenced by future events or even future reflections isn't 'not scientific', it's unscientific.
>>67764109
>Thinking that you're the only person on all of 4chan who is capable of thinking scientifically
It would be one thing if I were to just say I think the climate is warming because of my personal life experience, and no evidence existed to lead one to this conclusion.
In reality, the scientific evidence overwhelming points to anthropogenic climate change and warming. When I look at my own life experience and the experiences of my parents and grand parents, I see anecdotal evidence of warming as well, and this amuses me. That's it. I find it amusing, that is all. I know my anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything, it's just amusing.
>global warming is a hoax
>good 15 years ago it was snowing november to march, snow was sticking
>over the years it got less and less
>this winter it was snowing only 3 times and the snow was never longer than a day
Was just a prank right
>>67756892
The bear CAN survive in water... Only in summer when he have no ice he hunt fish, then In September the ice is back so he can live normally. Stop the retarded propaganda now.
>>67764920
That's fucking awful
>>67765330
But it CAN'T survive being constantly in water, it CAN drown.
>>67765330
Of course it can survive in water but it gets exhausted eventually and with no ice near to rest it will drown.
Is there anything about all of this that can actually be done? I've been depressed about it for ages now hoping a movement of some kind would somehow happen but things are looking even bleaker with Trump's popularity increasing. With all the lobbying and media control going on in most of the countries that have power to do anything about it there doesn't seem to be hope. Hell even 4chan is targeted by people hoping to spread disinformation.
>>67766350
I doubt it, to be honest. What is almost certainly going to happen is that over the next century or two, global warming will impose enormous costs on society. For example, Florida will get severely and permanently flooded. New Orleans will be permanently submerged and everyone will leave. Entire cities will need to be abandoned.
From a cost-benefit analysis, if we could go back in time and compare the cost of switching to alternative power sources vs the cost of relocating cities and states, it may have been a good idea to abandon fossil fuels. It may have been cheaper.
Who knows. It's too late now. But I see your leaf. Don't worry, fellow Canuck, when GW gets underway for real we're in basically the best place to be. Japan will be fucked. Bangladesh will be fucked. Lots of places will be fucked and there will be a massive refugee problem and global strife. But over here, on our corner of the planet, everything will be hunky dorey. Oh sure, the coming global shitstorm will affect our economy, but we'll be fine. We've got the most fresh water in the world and the most arable land/capita, and that will only increase as the tundra melts.
>>67766350
As always it will be too late and even then people won't do anything.
It's just the way life works is that people care more about themselves than anyone else which will lead to downfall of humanity eventually, as fedoratipping as it sounds. It also discourages those that would actually change anything since people seem they don't want to follow.
If real should happen all the major companies and politicans would have to do it in the first place and ensure that everyone else can do it as well. But will that happen? No, it's absolutley ridicilous. In the meantime you also have to deal with idiots killing eachother for minor things and whatnot. Humanity might be the most intelligent creature currently known but were still too dumb to ensure our survival.
>>67764563
>Thinking that you're the only person on all of 4chan who is capable of thinking scientifically
I can't recall ever saying or implying anything of the sort
>I know my anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything, it's just amusing.
In that case I apologize if I accused you of doing something you clearly did not do. Often when I talk to people they state or imply that anthropogenic climate change is something obvious, relating to their personal experiences. This was also the impression I (perhaps falsely) got from the cctv actor I originally replied to. Clearly you do not hold this view.
>>67766350
>>67766912
>>67767209
Retards missing the entire point of this thread. Global warming theory is just one of a string of hysterical doomsday hypotheses that have gained and gradually lost popularity over the years. Not long ago the popular doomsday theory was actually global cooling and an impending ice age.
The entire POINT OF THE ARTICLE was to point out that scientific observation of the earth's temperature has not been holding up to doomsday predictions, and in fact the average temperature of the earth has not increased since fucking 1998!
>>67767377
Alright, my bad. Cheers m8
I dunno man, we always get snow on the Vesuvius, this is the first year in a long time where we didn't get any.
>>67757992
what IS this considered an argument on /pol/?
So you dont believe in racial diffrences either? Because if you do, your last point could aswell refer to you and most of /pol/
>i choose to believe some scientists (race) while ignoring others (climate)
>WOW
>>67767685
You sound like someone who doesn't have an understanding of the physics behind GW, and I'm not saying that to insult you. You think of GW as something like the 9/11 inside job shit, don't you?
Fact is, there is simply no way that GW is NOT happening. In fact it must be happening.
The Earth receives energy from the sun in the form of visible light, and it loses energy to space in the form of infrared light. If energy in = energy out, all is well. Greenhouse gases are transparent to visible light and opaque to infrared light, so increasing greenhouse gases does not reduce energy in, but it reduces energy out, therefore the Earth heats up. Carbon dioxide is such a gas, so is water vapour and methane. They all mutually reinforce each other as well. Because we've increased CO2, that made the Earth warm a little bit, which causes tundra to melt and increase methane levels, and warmer air causes more water to vapourize, etc.
I believe in climate change but don't see why I should care
>>67757562
Water vapor is also a greenhouse gas retardo
>>67757562
clouds and water vapour aren't the same thing. Increasing water vapour in the atmosphere would increase the temperature of the planet. If you're interested, go look into the light spectrum and thermal radiation from the sun. Otherwise, continue to be ignorant.
>>67768203
http://climate.nasa.gov/effects/
Googled the effects for you. Different consequences will have different severity and times of arrival depending on your location.
>>67757526
Hoping for one.
Will kill of Arabs and Niggers.
I can't decide what pill is a red pill.
I don't trust statistics, I know how to lie with them myself, it's a part of my job, they don't represent shit objectively.
Subjective impressions like these itt "I remeber it was colder/hotter when I was a kid" is an utter bs.
Plus, climate constantly changes, it's not news. Question is, is it man-made or not. Or, even a better question is if mankind's influence has any noticeable impact.
Speaking about >jooos did it redpill, I don't understand what's in there for them. Encouraging new technology rather than just burning shit seems rational.
On the other hand, green faggots go super mad about things like nuclear power too, which is a huge leap and possibly undermines/cripples Western countries.
All these euros in here circle jerking over the climate.
Is climate change happening?: yes
Is climate change caused by man?: unknown
If it is caused by man, can we do anything about it? Not unless you're willing to wipe china and India off the face of the map.
>>67768725
>It'll get warmer
>Florida gets wiped out
I'm fine with this. In all seriousness though leaf bro what solutions are there for climate change that won't catapult us back to third world living standards.
>>67768132
You're still missing the point. While your layman's explanation of global warming would logically lead most people to assume that the earth is getting warmer, scientific data shows that these trends are not coming to pass in reality. So the scientific community scratches their heads and asks themselves
>Hurr there must be some undiscovered system of ocean gyres that makes the earth SEEM like it's not getting warmer but actually it is
Meanwhile I'm thinking: if earth science is so incomplete that it's possible for the earth to literally be disguising its own true temperature, then MAYBE we should just take the occam's razor explanation that the earth isn't warming up as fast as climatologists think it should because climatologists don't fully understand the climate!
>>67769127
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/10-solutions-for-climate-change/
Again just a quick google search, highly doubt these options lead to a country becoming third world living standards.
>>67769127
At this point it would be too late to stop it unless the entire world took drastic action. I don't believe for a second that will happen, but let's not pretend that it's too difficult.
Would it be expensive to phase off of coal for power and gas/oil for transport? Sure. Switching to nuclear/wind/solar and developing energy storage technology, AND reducing power consumption and driving less would all be expensive and annoying, but it's still all well within the realm of feasibility.
>>67769148
I don't know what you've been reading, but the scientific data is a lot more complicated than you're making it out to be.
Sure, some things have surprised scientists - for example, the amount of carbon dioxide in the air isn't as high as they projected it to be because the oceans have absorbed far more than was expected, which is leading to acidification of our oceans, which desu is perhaps an even greater threat than GW due to most of the oxygen we breathe coming from our oceans, as well as a lot of our food.
Sure, scientists don't know everything and models aren't perfect, but we are causing big changes and these changes will probably cause huge costs for certain countries. It's quite irresponsible from a species point of view. From a nationalist point of view, however, it's different.
>>67770140
>Oh noes! AGW End of Days!
>Deniers everywhere!
>Muh science!
Enjoying you new age religion? Fuck off zealot!
>>67769038
There are plenty of reasons oil companies lobby against cleaner energy, the most obvious of which is lowered profits. Sure they could diversify into cleaner energy but that causes competition within themselves and creates sunken cost due to their currently existing equipment and needing to implement additional equipment to harvest cleaner energy. Overall it's not very profitable in the short term when you can simply take more fossil fuels out of the ground with readily available technology.
Nuclear energy is leaps and bounds better than fossil fuels for sure, but it isn't the best solution, and hardcore green faggots think it has to be all or nothing without compromise which only hurts the cause.
>>67770918
Alberta I presume?
>>67770918
>anon presents reasoned argumentation
>this reply
you having fun making an ape of yourself there?
>>67758332
this, leave that problem to the niggers.
>holocaust is a hoax (proof to the contrary is necessarily jewish propaganda)
>9/11 was an inside job (proof to the contrary is necessarily jewish propaganda)
>global warming is real and definitely man-made (no proofs necessary other than Christmas weather in muh childhood)
It's funny how retarded a huge share of /pol is.
>>67770918
zealot? Really? You think I'm a zealot? Don't you find it interesting that all the scientists who've criticized GW have done so working directly for oil and gas companies or working for think tanks funded by said companies?
>>67771737
Did you even read the thread? Those weren't arguments they were simply reminiscing and were already confronted as such, there are real arguments in the thread if you'd actually read it.
>>67771737
I'll explain this to you:
9/11 inside job shit is boring for non-retarded people, only tinfoil hat faggots join those threads anymore, shit is so old
holocaust shit - same thing. Most normal people browsing /pol who don't think the holocaust was a hoax can't be bothered to join every fucking holohoax thread
global warming - we join these threads because this is at least a somewhat interesting topic.
TLDR - your 9/11 and holohoax threads are populated by the same 34 stormfaggots on a daily basis
>>67771737
>I don't have any arguments so I'll just make some shit up
>>67772089
I don't think that's true more and more people on here are convinced 9/11 and the Holocaust was an inside job and exaggerated, respectively. Some people still debate the Holocaust but most people on here agreed its exaggerated.
Global warming threads there is always a 50/50 divide on if its man made or not.
>>67772343
>Global warming threads there is always a 50/50 divide on if its man made or not.
just like there's always a 50/50 divide between retards and non-retards.
>inb4 retards are the ones who believe in global warming
>>67772343
I'm left wing and I agree the official holocaust story may be exaggerated, although if you read into how they came up with the number you can see what they did. They simply compared the # of jews before and after, adjusted for the # of jews who left for north america and/or israel. Anyway, it may be exaggerated.
But 9/11? That 9/11 inside job shit is so fucking retarded stupid, no one of sound mind should fall for that bullshit. I watched "Loose Change", I've heard the arguments for it - they're all fucking retarded and have all been soundly refuted. If someone tells me they think 9/11 was an inside job I think they are literally retarded. I think very lowly of them. A friend of mine was dating a guy who believed that shit and I told him off every time I saw him. She dumped his retarded ass rather quickly.
>>67757916
Big Green is huge. Pay your carbon shekels goyim.
>>67760649
During El Nino, yes.
>>67757988
As if leftist politicians really give a shit about the environment more than taxation
>>67757916
Yeah, patent a useful technology - especially energy storage on a large scale, like vacuum magnetic flywheels. If you can get that shit to work and produce it for an affordable price, you'll be the next Bill Gates.
>>67772343
There's a huge leap in knowledge required to understand the science behind global warming compared to understanding if 9/11 was an inside job or the Holocaust was exaggerated. It's practically impossible for people uninformed in climate science to form their own judgments without spending significant amounts of time studying the content and most aren't willing to do that. This causes their opinion of the matter to come entirely from who tells it to them, how nicely it's presented, and how the information will personally affect them. This is where the media comes into play since they excel at telling a story while scientists are used to dealing with cold hard facts and statistics. Media is corrupt as fuck and will take the largest bidder to tell the story, and oil companies have way more money than anyone opposing their interests. It's the exact same shit that happened with the tobacco companies years ago and as far as I know it was pure luck that the general public picked up the truth about that.
>>67773197
Honestly though, what the fuck is wrong with people? We live in a democracy, this shit isn't hard. If you graduated HS and took HS level physics, you can understand the basic science behind GW in a couple of hours. People spend hundreds of hours per year jacking off to anal porn and asian foot porn, and hundreds of hours watching TV. Why is it too much to ask that people occasionally learn about important shit? When I am faced with a topic of interest and I realize I don't know much about it, I change that. We live in the age of the internet, it's never been easier to learn, about anything. Why am I so unusual?
>>67773584
Is this bait, or are you plain retarded?
You do not learn to model nonlinear dynamic systems in high school.
>>67774244
You don't need to understand that. All you need to understand is thermal radiation of energy and have a basic understanding of the light spectrum. That's it.
>>67756892
Bomb china.
SAVE OUR FUCKING OCEANS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-bHt1bOsw
>>67773584
Most people I speak to unfortunately have no evidence backing their opinions greater than 'i just don't think that... '. Sucks to have to be reasonable around such blatant irresponsible irrationality.
What gets me is climate targets don't even allow me to shower once a day let alone eat meat, heat my house, drive a personal car. The future is bleak irrespective of outcome.
Yeah I'll take the car to work using petrol at 8 million calories per litre instead of biking that distance for 300 or so. Especially in the face of access to food and even water being a matter of privilege.
>>67774635
>You don't need to understand that
The problem is that climate scientists most likely agree with you.
>>67756892
>>67756961
>>67756978
>Sea ice
kek. well memed laddie.
>>67756892
ITs not negetive 10 in MN so im sure it exist. Were down with global warming in minnesota as our winters have been getting warmer and warmer. It exist but were down
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/emperor-trump
>>67775235
It doesn't have to be all or nothing, that's the latest thing oil shills have been trying to push a lot lately. They want it to seem like you suddenly have to drop every single means of convenience and live in the stone age or the world is completely doomed. This makes you feel pressured like you wouldn't believe and causes you to go full consumer mode only fattening their pockets and worsening the problem. Any little bit helps and you can cut down as gradually as you want. If everyone boycotted even a little bit it would cut into their profits tremendously and they might not see oil as so necessary and switch to cleaner energy.
>>67775235
I walk or bike to work. I specifically chose a place to live that is about a kilometer from where I work, for this very reason. I can't help but chuckle at the drivers who are sitting in bumper to bumper traffic as I bike past them in the bike lane.
But why am I considered the radical left-wing faggot? Why is it weird that a 180 lb person uses a 10 lb instrument to travel a kilometer? Shouldn't we think it's weird that a 180 lb person uses a 1200 lb object to travel a few kilometers every day? Our society is weird.
>>67757029
"Man Factor"
Sounds like a gay porno.
>>67758332
I honestly believe this to be true, earlier today I was telling my gf that I give humanity 3 more generations before we all kill ourselves.
>mfw greed and lust of money and power, as well as general stupidity is the reason we will never surf the cosmos as an advanced civilization.
>mfw we came so far as a species, but are too flawed to overcome our issues.
>>67759057
This one post shows how ridiculous global warming and it's followers actually are.
>wants to replace cow stomach bacteria with kangaroo stomach bacteria
>to make their farts less smelly
I just don't understand
>>67775684
Top meme my friend. Now here are a few hundred models getting BTFO
>>67777218
uhh, methane is an extremely potent greenhouse gas and cow farts are a major source of it, especially because we raise a lot of them for beef/milk. Has nothing to do with smell (not that I'm saying this bacteria swap is a good or realistic idea)
>>67777532
>using Al Gore who is a politician, not a climate scientist, as a source for scientific literature
Your argument is only as strong as your weakest source and this is fucking weak, apply yourself.
Long list of sources for all of the deniers in this thread. Human activities cause climate change and that's that. I work on the shifting taiga-tundra boundary in north-central Alaska. When people are so stupid that they really believe climate change is a passing delusional fad I can't help but laugh. It's on the same tier of retarded as flat earthers.
If you don't think this impacts you, just remember that most of the extreme weather we've been experiencing, from droughts to hurricanes, is entirely natural. But the chance of us experiencing it at this frequency and intensity under weather patterns not influenced by anthropogenic warming is so negligible that it's not relevant.
https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-evidence-causes/question-2/
https://www.edf.org/climate/human-activity-is-causing-global-warming
http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/11/economist-explains
https://nas-sites.org/americasclimatechoices/more-resources-on-climate-change/climate-change-evidence-and-causes/
https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-evidence-causes/
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
But no seriously. I'm sure that despite all the evidence right in front of your fucking face the truth rests in a far simpler explanation: That hundreds of thousands of scientists across the globe are involved in a Austin Powers-tier plot to avoid real work by pretending that CO2 and methane heats the earth.
>>67769068
Just noticed this, pretty funny actually. If there were actually evidence against this you just know /pol/ would be jumping at the opportunity to prove people wrong and you'd be saying there is no consensus. Now everyone is practically agreeing and the best you can say is circlejerking, sounds to me like there's just nothing to argue about because it's settled.
You know, I had a thought about the CO2 emissions statistics, and I had a thought: Wouldn't increased CO2 in the atmosphere correspond to an increase in algae and phytoplankton in the oceans? Abundance of resources is a direct cause for population growth.
So I looked around, and it looks like phytoplankton HAS increased significantly in recent years. A bunch of marine biologists are flummoxed, because it messes with the Redfield ratio, which has been treated as a constant in the field for a long time.
They insisted that increased temperatures would decrease the size of individual phytoplankton too, and that this would result in increased warming, as smaller phytoplankton take less CO2 to the ocean floor when they die.
But this isn't happening. In fact, phytoplankton population is growing, and the individual cells aren't getting any smaller. Which means that more CO2 is getting dragged to the ocean floor.
One of the reasons I don't worry about global warming is because of things like this. The ecosystem is so incredibly diverse that nature ALWAYS responds to stimuli like this. The planet is largely self-correcting, and as long as we don't fuck up TOO badly (and yes, I think that there is no reason not to encourage cleaner energy and eventually drive the costs down so that they're as cheap as fossil fuels), the planet will recover. Hell, it's already started.
>>67780245
Could you share the source for this?
>>67777532
FOR U
>>67780245
Stupid
Ocean warming is a threshold system. Currents require a difference between the warmer surface waters and the colder deep waters. Once enough of the ice caps have melted, impacting salinity, and ocean temperatures have risen enough it will unwind the currents that keep our oceans oxygenated.
As a result, decaying mass will accumulate on the ocean floor for centuries or decades, leaving a habitable zone from the surface to a depth of about 10 meters. The marine ecosystem as we know it will be destroyed by a deadly anoxic change.
Some background for you:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoxic_event
So your thought is cute, especially if you like mass extinctions.
>sea ice
Go look up permafrost.
>>67780245
Also
>Algal blooms
>>67780854
>/pol/ trying to talk shit to anyone about sloppy infographics
O im laffin
The entire argument seems somewhat pointless when you consider that (whether or not man-made) the current change in climate is neither the first nor the last in human history. Man is the only species that managed to adapt to and thrive in almost all climate zones of the planet, with the exception of the arctic and Antarctica. Climate is a dynamic system that kept changing long before humans appeared and would change even if we all became retarded left-wing faggots, stopped eating meat, driving cars or manufacturing shit. Mankind as a whole will adapt to this change, even though some will be better off and some worse. Our mission is NOT preserving the planet "as is" because this would be both stupid and impossible.
>>67756892
>there are variations so trends don't exist
A norweigan being retarded? quelle surprise
>>67780245
great stuff except much algae is poisonous and can turn where they grow into completely dead parts of the ocean.
>>67781080
>We can adapt to anything lol
Yes, humans can. Our current society is a different matter. Sub-Saharan Africa is barely habitable as it is. An increase of just a few degrees Celsius would turn over a billion people into climate refugees.
You see all the bullshit that's happening with just a few million Syrian immigrants? Imagine that but with a billion people.
Doesn't that sound fun? Faggot.
>>67757526
Why doesn't the idea of climate being cyclical gain more traction given that the Earth has been going through warming and cooling periods for thousands of years?
>>67780905
I'm not denying that there are corollary effects to this. There will be; there always are. I'm saying that ecosystems self-regulate eventually.
We can't accurately predict what is going to happen. Here's an article in 2013 that demonstrated that phytoplankton population would reduce as a result of warming:
http://climatenewsnetwork.net/plankton-will-suffer-as-oceans-warm/
Now here's one from November 2015 that demonstrates the opposite (also, source for you, >>67780680):
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/oceans-may-absorb-more-carbon-dioxide/
Every scientific thought about immensely complex ecosystems we have ever had has changed dramatically as new evidence is uncovered, essentially resulting in "Huh, this didn't work as expected."
>>67756892
>be Earth, millions of years ago
>hot, humid climate over most of my surface
>megaflora growing all up on my shit
>dinosaurs, bitch
>hella biological diversity sure to readily available carbon
>get hit with an asteroid
>ouch nigga
>all my dino bros die
>Muh megaflora muffugga
>shit's frozen, yo
>hairless apes become the dominant species after a while
>start digging up fossil fuels, aka dino bros
>burn that shit for industry
>carbon back all up in my atmosphere
>suddenly, some hairless apes start saying that if my temperature shifts even a tiny bit imma be a lifeless rock
Nigga you ain't no asteroid
Nigga you ain't to megavolcano
Nigga you ain't shit
I've had an ice age, got hit by space rocks, nigga the moon got into a fight with me once and I kicked it's ass
All the carbons and shit you're putting in the air?
Nigga they was already there
Humans ain't shit, I'm a planet, bitch
>>67781080
I can't even...
I will give you one argument because you don't even deserve more.
>Man is the only species that managed to adapt to and thrive in almost all climate zones of the planet
Do you even know what bacteria are? I can't take someone seriously when they're acting as if they know the best for all life on the planet when they don't even know the most fundamental of biology.
If the global average temps. rise 4 degrees celsius, government will be unsustainable.
We are currently nearly the 2 degree mark.
GG senpai
>>67780996
>>67781491
Yeah, I'm not saying all of the effects are positive, merely that there are countless and unpredictable results from any kind of stimuli. Change one thing, thousands of others do too as a result.
>>67781657
>whats happening with just a few million Syrian immigrants
and the solution is simple, build a wall and shoot on sight
there is no real problem here, just retarded homosexual cuck boys and whores in power not using the simple solutions
>>67781870
>your argument is flawed because it is also true for other species
Oh shit, you definitely won senpai
>>67782285
You wanted to act as if you knew shit, don't blame me for making such a major fuck up.
>>67781859
Well done
>>67781080
>>67781859
>We can adapt to anything and live wherever we want
Yeah I don't think so, try telling that to millions trying to get into Europe
>>67783250
They can live there, they just don't want to, because they have to work there.
