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Watch here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-35783243
Updates:
-OBR downgrades UK growth forecasts
-Sugar tax on soft drinks to be introduced
-Fuel and beer duties frozen
-New rail lines including Crossrail 2 and HS3 get green light
-Tax cuts for poor, middle class & business owners
-Every school to become a academy in England by 2020
-New powers over criminal justice given to Greater Manchester
- £700M in flood defences
honestly think that Lifetime ISA thing is brilliant
What about soft drinks that have aspartame instead of sugar?
Cheeky £13m for the City of Culture
Osborne has pretty much cemented his role as the next PM
>>67649949
>honestly think that Lifetime ISA thing is brilliant
it's not gonna give you 25% of all your savings mate, only on the amount of "new" money you put in each year, so you'll only be able to get max £1000 if you can afford to put £4000 in every year, which you can guarantee most young people wont be able to afford
>>67649949
Me too.
Every study points the key difference between the poor and wealthy is how much they save.
Lefties will moan how they cannot afford to save because housing is too expensive but you will never change your wealth-class without making sacrifices
BEST OF LUCK DAD!
>>67650117
We're fucked. Send help.
>>67650099
thats fine with me. Ive got 20 years from next year to put as much as I can in with a 25% return as long as I dont touch it. Sounds brilliant
Osbourne killed it today if you ask me lads.
Lads
>>67649949
This. Can't wait.
>>67650099
> you can guarantee most young people wont be able to afford
It's basically £333 a month. Easily doable.
>>67650222
Goddamnit. You HAD to go and get ToT. Big Ben might not survive the attacks.
>>67650111
>Lefties will moan how they cannot afford to save because housing is too expensive but you will never change your wealth-class without making sacrifices
although i agree that young people ain't saving money anymore it's also stupid that if you are earning an average wage it can take you the best part of a decade to save up enough to get a house in or around a city, with a large mortgage, and only then if you are saving 50% of your pay check. we are reaching a point where people will only be able to afford houses after their parents die and leave them houses they can sell
>>67650099
Even if you only put in £100 you still make £25 free out of it.
How in the name of fuck can this be a bad idea? It's free money.
>>67650293
>£333 p/m
That's not doable for most people.
Osborne fucked up that budget lads.
Who the fuck hurts cripples and bails out big oil in the same speech?
Who /saving money now/ here
>>67650099
I'm on 18k a year in London with 600 quid in rent. Even I can put away 400 a month
>>67650099
I've already put 850 quid into an ISA this year and I'm aiming for ~3500 by the years end. If the government give me 25% of that I'll be chuffed. Lifetime ISA is a good thing for sensible mid-20s who have decided to stop spunkinf their money away
>New rail lines including Crossrail 2
Thus ends leafy Hertfordshire.
to be replaced with housing estates and africans.
>>67650293
>It's basically £333 a month. Easily doable.
if you are renting a place that can mean you are spending £700+ a month, most people can't afford to do that
What was the name of that chain of academies that turned a bunch of failing South London schools into a place where people actually passed and got decent scores?
>>67649806
>Sugar tax on soft drinks to be introduced
I already pay 20% tax on my soft drinks, it's called VAT.
I'm going to have to steal my Dr Peppers.
>>67650590
>renting alone
Get a friend or a gf. Renting alone in this day and age is fucking dumb
>>67650444
> That's not doable for most people.
Bullshit.
It's about the same price as a 20 a day smoking habit.
>>67650590
50/30/20 budget will mean you should be putting away 300 if you earn 1500 a month. If you're living above your means then move to a cheaper place.
>>67650631
They're taxing the industry because of the high sugar content, not the consumer. If the price you pay goes, complain to Dr Pepper.
>>67650772
*Move out of London
>>67650774
>paying the same for less calories
It's the same thing as putting the price up.
>>67650499
Pro-Tip:
Don't use standard years use financial years. Your ISA max limit will reset in April.
>>67650476
>18k a year
>£15,400 after tax and NI
>£1300 p/m
>£700 p/m after rent
>£400 p/m in savings
>£300 a month to live off
>£10 a day
>In London
kk
kk m8
This is pathetic.
>guy says something important
>BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>FUCK BEING PROFESSIONAL! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
It's no wonder nobody takes the UK seriously anymore.
>>67650710
m8 my gf rents with 2 other people and is paying £400 per month and she doesn't even live in london
The beeb is fantastic
God imagine living in America and having to watch Fox news and CNN. At least there's no pussyfooting around analysis on the budget.
Thank you based Kuenssberg
>>67650845
just buy the diet one, m8. Maybe we won;t be a nation of embarrassing obese cucks after this, and just be embarrassing cucks
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/15/guardian-eu-referendum-debate-the-verdict
>>67649806
>be me
>be burger
>be not understanding anything in this thread
>mfw
Have fun guys
>>67650710
Depends where you live. I earn 24k, live in a flat alone 10m from Manchester city center which costs 550pcm. And I'll still easily put away between 3-4k this year through sensible budgeting
>>67650840
Commute in
>>67650710
What if you loathe human contact and require solitude?
>>67650993
It'd be cheaper to buy a gyrocopter, get a licence and fly in than it would be to take a train from most places outside of London to the city every day.
>>67650845
>calories are proportionate to price
In that case, Chippy's have just raised prices tenfold
>>67650946
Fuck off cunt.
>>67650902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUqhqsfE0YQ
>>67650870
600 quid rent all in; no bills
120 quid for travel card
80 quid a month for basic food
approx 500 quid to do what I like with.
>>67650774
When they came for the nicotine I said nothing for I am not a smoker. When they came for the soda I said nothing, for I am not a lardass.
You know where this is going.
>>67650993
>paying to commute into london
BAHAHAHAHAHA do you even know how fucking expensive trains are to get into london with the work commute that shit will cost you £20-£30 per day to get in and out, unless you want to leave for work at 6am and arrive back at 10pm
>and lets not even talk about the god awful reliability
>>67651145
yes
>>67650955
Fair enough, in your situation it makes sense since it's quite cheap and you're earning a fair amount.
My rents only 500 a month for a terraced house and I share with my gf so it's only 250
I earn 22k and she's on 26k.
But if I was in London fuck it I'd be sharing with every fucker I could see. Fuck London rent
Hey Bongs, which one do I watch? I want to watch what you're watching but this site is a clusterfuck and I can't find the actual live debate.
mods are asleep
post high-vis gideons
>>67651118
No you poof, I am sick of being ashamed to be english. Buy a diet pop you fat fuck and stop being a crybaby
>>67650590
Then you should live somewhere cheaper. The general guidance is a third of your income on rent.
£333 is a 20 a day smoking habit. Or going out each weekend in a month.
Easily affordable if one is disciplined
>>67651183
>>67651094
Go North, young man.
>>67651145
I would crawl through a mile of broken glass to lick her anus.
>>67651227
forgot the pic
>>67649970
if artificial sugars are still considered sugar they'll be taxed i guess
>>67651145
Shitskin genetics really shows even if she has light eyes, disgusting.
>>67651255
I'm skinny as fuck m8. Take your oppressive tax and fuck off, I should be able to eat and drink what I want. Your gayass NHS is the problem, not me.
>>67649806
If Britain leaves the EU, we should reunite.
Turn British Columbia into a concentration colony for all the non whites and rule the Northern Hemisphere with unlimited resources and money.
>>67651258
>Then you should live somewhere cheaper.
m8 when you are working in london your choices are getting shafted by renting in london, or getting shafted by paying to commute into london
Is coke zero and diet lemonade gonna be taxed more?
I hate sugary drinks for the taste, prefer the bubbly flavour of coke zero and no sugar lemonade, but I assume they have other shit in them which is just as bad for you
>>67651094
>>67651183
Cycle faggots
Maybe if you're going to be a shelf stacker for a couple of years, you should move out of London?
I have little sympathy for people paying big rents on small wages.
>>67651225
Yeah London prices are insane feel sorry for those paying such a large percentage of income to live in a souless shithole
>>67651264
nah m8 see i prefer having a job, and general civilisation, and the lack of crippling depression
>>67651145
>Would you?
I'd smash that harder than the walls of Constantinople in 1453.
>>67651404
I want nothing to do with you moose spastics, thank you very much.
>>67651409
I live in Zone 2 bitch.
£700 rent all bills included. I cycle to work.
>>67651434
>cycling London commute
m8 do you know how far out you have to live from London to stop getting London rent prices?
>>67650928
She's being ripped off m8.
Could have been a lot worse
Fucking Corbyn needs to just shut the fuck up and sit down, im sick of him already. At least milibot was comical at times, intentionally or not
>>67651418
theyre not taxing the people who drink sugary drinks, but the companies to attempt them to make drinks with low sugar. If Coke or Pepsi charge more, its their decision not the governments.
>>67651467
This is what londonfags actually believe. Enjoy your lifetime of no savings mate, meanwhile I'll enjoy that free 1k per year the government is giving me.
>>67651450
The rest of the UK is a soulless shithole. Enjoy being propped up by the wealth and taxes we generate in London. The UK would be about as rich as Romania without London boosting our GDP
>>67651571
That fucking flag. Disgusting
>>67650117
I fucking love that show so much
>>67651467
>general civilisation
>as his Bombay-tier public transport system wheels through the next Sharia zone
>>67651559
Average rent of a room in a house share in outer London is £550
>>67651531
>Zone 2
>£700
Enjoy your bedsit
>>67650870
If you're earning 18k, you live with flatmates in Zone 4 or some shit.
See, this is the fucking problem - people who earn 18k think that it's realistic to live in their own flat and pay 700pcm for it. YOU CAN'T FUCKING AFFORD IT. MOVE ELSEWHERE.
>>67650230
This, a 25% return on ANY investment is fucking amazing! it's probably the best thing in this budget!
>>67651606
>free money
Enjoy scrounging m8
>>67651023
then you have to save less or move further out and spend more on travel or buy a house.
>>67651701
Let's be real here, it's good but it's 25% on what you add to it each year, not the whole ISA.
>>67651736
It's a 25% return on what I save. If that's scrounging then sign me the fuck up
Ironic how morons here are celebrating the "free" £1k a year because it benefits them, but if it were free money that went to someone else they would be complaining about socialism and being stolen from
Why are fair prices so expensive anyway? Commuting from outside of London into it costs something like £25 a day. That's ridiculous considering how shit and prone to delays the services are.
>>67651686
Large room in a house share bro.
>>67651823
>Encouraging people to save
>Slow GDP growth
>Large deficit
Chancellor needs to learn basic economics tbqh
FARAGE
>>67651823
fair enough, but if Im 30 next year and put the 4k in each year until Im 50. Thats 80k Ive put in and 20k the government puts in with it.
>>67651467
>implying sharia is civilised
>>67650408
currently I'm in education, i really feel kind of behind already, I'm 21 and my income is basically 8,000 a year from loans and my wage will probably only be around 21,000 max when i start working, I'm thinking about starting to learn German and maybe some business strategies so that i can maybe get something along the lines of a data analysis job.
CAN THE USA JUST FUCKING TAKE US OVER ALREADY
I'M SICK OF IMMIGRANTS AND MUSLIMS
THEY'RE WHAT, 6% OF THE POPULATION AND THEY COMPLAIN ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
>>67650408
Kek, we're already in it.
Either a rich leech, mortgage slave or inherited from granny what was built under Stalin (at best). Or buy a shack 200km from city with jobs.
As you might guess, people accustom to it.
>>67651973
didn't they lower interest rates recently for banks? that will probably encourage spending and investment
>>67651878
2/3s of the people in this country and in this thread are outright communists. They all love the "free" money and "free" NHS.
Where do I emigrate to get away from this madness? Fuck you cucks.
>>67652063
What are you studying?
I miss the UK a lot right now lads..
Hold me
>>67652161
go to the USA and enjoy paying health insurance there.
>>67652063
>i really feel kind of behind already
Dude, if you put any money away right now - any money at all - you're already ahead of the vast majority of your #YOLO peers. I'm 33 and it's frightening how many people my age I know who choose not to really think about retirement.
>>67652184
RARE
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>>67652166
Chemistry, hopefully to masters
>>67652070
>60%
>>67652184
Stay safe based Brunei brit
>>67652161
go with Bupa then
>>67652241
I alreayd have around £10,000 from before Uni when i worked my ass off, but that's mostly so i can afford a car and put down for a mortgage.
>>67652235
At least my health insurance premiums will be enjoyed by hardworking companies profitting rather than health tourists benefiting in the UK
>>67652184
What are you doing in Brunei?
>live 5 minute walk from a station that is 45 min direct train to euston
>renting 2 bedroom house, newly furnished for 650 a month
>if needed, 4 people could share (clearly doesn't need though)
>paying like 1/4 of the rent
>daily work train is like 250 a month
>still cheaper than renting a shoebox in London
Seriously fuck London
>>67652184
What's it like in the Darussalam? Like a shit Singapore?
>>67651225
My rent was £1250 a month and £230 a month council tax so I live on a boat now.
>>67652241
This I'm 30.
This is the age when those who planned and worked hard will start to pull away financially and socially.
>>67652394
I think he's in a British military base over there
>>67652235
>paying health insurance in the USA (by choice) instead of 40% tax in the UK
Sounds like a win-win.
So lads who is opening an ISA?
>>67652505
Oh I thought he would have been working over there.
Anyone live in Hong Kong in the 80s-90s here?
>>67652610
I'll wait until tomorrow lunchtime when numerous papers point out the various catches. Then I'll wait until Friday lunchtime for Breitbart London to tell me why those other papers are wrong, but I still shouldn't trust Gideon.
>>67652610
Definitely.
I'm lost how our government can afford to give a 25% return of investments though...
>>67650579
You can't put off high speed rail forever. It's going to happen eventually. Japan has had bullet trains since the fucking 60's, were behind in almost everything in this modern era.
>>67650631
it's a smart move, but it's not enough. They should tax all junk food in my opinion.
>>67652435
>Parents bought huge house in Southwark for £380k in the 1990s
>Now worth £2.4 million
>Rent the top floor off my parents for £100 a week
>Whole of London virtually on my doorstep
>10 minute cycling commute
Feels good.
>>67652610
When can we start? When is first lot of annual return?
![local_14_temp-1401946873-539002f9-620x348[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/h16UHOb.jpg "local 14 temp-1401946873-539002f9-620x348[1]")
>>67651571
Fuck off Damp Rag man
>>67652610
Got one already.
>>67652810
>it's a smart move, but it's not enough. They should tax all junk food in my opinion.
Why?
>>67652446
Im going to Singapore next month on leave, ill let you know, although Im pretty sure the answer will be yes.
>>67652394
Army mate, Jungle Training Team
Honestly guys at this point I would give anything in the world just to sit down in any pub in the UK with a pint of the guest and 2 people to rant with.
You guys are the best ive got, this is my pub
/pol/ pub name suggestions welcome
>>67652610
>>67652822
The new one doesn't start until April 2017
>https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/508117/Lifetime_ISA_explained.pdf
Someone redpill me on this new ISA
>>67653055
When do you come back? I'd go have a beer with you and avoid memes in public
>>67649806
>New powers over criminal justice given to Greater Manchester
what exactly?
>>67653055
What's it like for Islamic law? No booze at all or only on site?
>/pol/ pub names
The Barrage of Farage
The Enriched Cuck
>>67650099
really only £4000? I'm currently Neet but that does not sound too hard to afford for £1000 bonus per year.
>>67652793
>I'm lost how our government can afford to give a 25% return of investments though...
This, i've got £10,000 in savings, can i just put that straight into the account (£4,000 a year) and get 25% return on that?
>>67653238
Manc justice is different to British justice
>>67653055
>/pol/ pub name suggestions welcome
The Cock & Pigshead
>>67649806
SNP
>"He's wrong"
>"it's all wrong"
>"We can fix it"
>>67652906
becuase fat people make me puke and i'd love all the buthurt from all the fatties.
you realize we have the THIRD highest level of obesity in the world. There's so many fat cunts that need to put the fork down.
I'm someone who has little self-control but even i can resist stuffing my face, eating is an impulse so simple that you'd have to be a moron to have any self-control
>>67651878
I'm already paying for it through taxes and since the rest of the morons in this country love outvoting me for their gibsmedats I'm hardly going to turn it down at my expense.
>>67653134
Free money for non NEETs
Rewards young people for working hard and making sensible financial decisions
May soften inevitable pension blow
>>67653321
You can read about it here, I'm not sure my mac won't load the document for some reason
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/508117/Lifetime_ISA_explained.pdf
>Englishmen need the gibsmedats
>"we'll give you 1/4 bonuses on up to 4000 quid"
>...by taxing rich people
You fucks don't even question where the money is coming from anymore. God forbid you save your money and assume a measure of risk. Far easier for big brother to do it for you!
>>67650947
>Brexit has more media attention.
Smart, if they can play it well.
>>67650734
exactly! People aren't realising the amount of money they spend each month on shit that is bad for them and they don't need.
>>67653055
my uncle's a lecturer in Brunei, apparently it's boring as fuck becuase the muzzies don't believe in fun.
>>67653345
The Jolly Taxpayer
>>67653198
2 year post mate, but ill be back at Christmas for 2 weeks
>>67653285
Full blown sharia here, although we're allowed booze in the mess.
Its just not the same though
Personally id like a pub called the Faucet Inn
>>67653457
What are you on about
>>67653423
Why are fat people a problem? It's their freedom to eat what they want.
Don't tell me your ideas over how people should be taxed is ultimately
>muh feelings
>>67653134
A fuck you to the NEETs
Can't wait.
>>67653457
You've not understood this, have you?
>>67653672
>tfw NEET with inherited shares keeping me afloat
:^)
>>67653643
Diabetes alone costs the NHS 5% of it's budget and is only rising.
>>67653643
they are a financial drain on the NHS, why should the tax payer have to foot the bill because they cant stop eating.
>>67653134
>https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/508117/Lifetime_ISA_explained.pdf
Free money, Alan. NEETs BTFO.
>>67653055
Bloom's Banter Bar & Brothel
>>67653768
>>67653774
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So the problem is the NHS then, not fat people, you colossal dumbfucks.
If everyone paid for their own healthcare you sidestep this problem entirely.
>>67649949
Just got in from Work and watching as much as i can from iPlayer
Can anyone explain?
>>67653932
> Things that are never going to happen
>>67653643
BECUASE WE HAVE A "FREE" HEALTH SERVICE AND HAVE TO PAY FOR THESE LOVECRAFTIAN MONSTERS ONCE THEIRS BOWLS EXLPODE FROM THE TRUCK LOADS OF FOOD THEY SHUVE DOWN THEIR GULLETS
ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID, I HATE FAT PEOPLE I FUKCING HATE THEM.
I BET YOUR A FATTIE, I'LL FUCKING SKIN YOU ALIVE AND FEED YOU TO STARVING AFRICANS
that better.
>>67653774
this
Nigel on the budget, check it out lads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovTC5D7G_bA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovTC5D7G_bA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovTC5D7G_bA
>>67654003
>muh feelings
>>67654060
>tfw at work with no headphones
Is it good?
>>67653996
>https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/508117/Lifetime_ISA_explained.pdf
>>67654136
Pretty great
>>67654005
>I BET YOUR A FATTIE
you're*
I bet you're stupid.
>>67654005
See:
>>67653932
You're the fatass here because you're arguing for socialised healthcare. How fucking dumb are you?
>>67653996
>from April 2017, you can make a 'Lifetime ISA'
>put in upto £4000 per year and get 25% return
>the 25% is based on your savings into this account each year. If you only save a tenner in one year, you only get a £2.50 return
>can do this as long as youre under 40
>You can save money into this account until your 50
>You cannot touch the money until youre 60, if you do you lose the return and any interest, and will pay a 5% surcharge
>When you turn 60, you take out the money tax free
>>67654136
Pretty based.
Talked about the economic growth only looks good because of the huge increase in mass immigration, BTFO government borrowing and eurozone
>>67654183
i know anon your so superior, you really showed me fat cunt :^)
>>67654172
>>67654212
>Already saving 500+ a month, despite earning only 1k a month (and living with parents in London)
Assuming my wages will go up - this is great
Thanks Gideon, shame your an IN cuck
>>67653638
You're getting a "return" on other people's earnings
The government doesn't create wealth, it only takes it from revenue generators. Any "bonus" will be derived from other people's income. Essentially it's just another redistribution of wealth, and does nothing to solve the pension problem.
>>67653727
Explain how I'm wrong. Money doesn't miraculously fall out of the sky.
Brits have become so used to welfare that they don't even realize when they're on it.
Get an etrade account, or your equivalent in the UK, and invest your money on something that gets a return on a sum greater than £4000 yearly. Relying on the government to only get £30,000 on the back of another income earner is a waste. You could get better returns on the S&P index if current projections are correct.
>>67654324
I'm not the same person you're arguing with, you bloody fool.
>>67653932
so we take away the reduced cost health system for the entire country so fatties can fat?
Is that what you're saying?
>>67651124
this is what british politics is about, pure banter
>>67653787
It's not even that, why the fuck would you tax drinks when even regular people drink it too. You wanna stop fat fucks draining NHS, then prevent them from accessing free healthcare until they lose weight or some shit
>>67654401
PUT
THE
FORK
DOWN
>>67651124
Gonna miss Cameron's banter
>>67654461
>reduced cost health system
22% of your tax goes to socialised healthcare. How is that cheap? Fuck off commie.
>>67650928
Shes cheating on you
>>67654330
You're starting to sound like an "all interest is haram" type of person.
>>67651606
anywhere above london is a shithole
>>67651590
RARE
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>>67654212
Sounds like we won't be getting a pension lads, I'd also think it unwise to save £4000 a year which you cant touch until your 60. Makes more sense to invest in property
>>67654547
>>67653774
wrong quote
>>67654586
Boris will be better than Cameron desu, might get a tory party membership just so I can vote for him.
>>67654547
Sizeist bigot spotted
>>67654060
Lib Dems taking credit for this? Didn't take credit for getting the youth to vote for them and then fucking them over. Fuck the Lib Dems.
>government is litterally giving free monies
Just want to point out that if the left was doing this you would be attacking them as "free gibs".
>>67654636
Ok mate
>>67654709
It's not free, it's a percentage return on what you save that you can only receive after you're 60 or when you're buying a house
>>67654659
you can use the isa to buy a house.
>your savings and the bonus can be used towards a deposit on a first home worth up to £450,000 across the country
>accounts are limited to one per person rather than one per home – so two first time buyers can both receive a bonus when buying together
>if you have a Help to Buy: ISA you can transfer those savings into the Lifetime ISA in 2017, or continue saving into both – but you will only be able to use the bonus from one to buy a house
>mad Johnny foreigners not even aware you have been able to take out ISAs and bonds with the government for years anyway
I went and watched pmqs and the budget live from the gallery today was quite interesting.
>>67654613
Then you misread my post.
I am a big supporter of free enterprise and minimal government involvement in investment.
In fact, I said in my post "you could be getting a bigger return by investing more of your money".
You are not getting "interest" you're getting a "bonus" i.e. Someone else's tax revenue.
>>67654659
Ive been thinking a similar thing to do and save up £100-150k and buy a second house, but theres too many problems in it
>survey fees around £800 when buying
>any maintenance and repairs costs of being landlord
>insurance
>When choosing to retire you have the option of renting out the property for £500-600/month (not enough for an retirement income imo); or sell with costs to any agency, legal fees, time the property is empty to sell it. And then pay the CGT
Im undecided on it, but saving 4k seems very easy to understand. Just the 'dont touch until youre 60' is the only issue
>>67654875
only your first house
>>67654598
Doesn't answer the question
Extra 25k, assuming it's only based on the 4k a year (1k free money)
Still an extra 25k in savings if you start at 25 is tasty as fuck
>>67654928
I saw you. You were the white guy, early 20s, about 5'11, dark hair
>>67654673
Yeah you're probably right. Hopefully we don't get Osbourne & Corbyn, a 5 year drought of banter in the house of commons will seriously take a toll on the countries moral
>>67653335
>Turns out, little monkey fella.
>>67655157
It's not a reduced cost m8, 22% of your tax every month goes to the NHS.
Health insurance would be cheaper, plus, you can choose not to pay it at all.
>>67655395
>mfw poor people dying on the streets because no NHS
>>67655395
>>67655534
>mfw it's mostly immigrants
>>67655395
still not answering the question.
we lose the NHS so fatties can fat?
Say it out loud, come on.
Also: are you fat? Be honest; we're all friends here
>Leanne Wood
>Caroline Lucas
Right time to switch off
>>67655153
>Just the 'dont touch until youre 60' is the only issue
It's because they want you to die young - either that or they know you will
Theyre not having a penny off me
>>67655177
Did my poor attire give me away? Should have said hello.
>>67654964
I did deliberately misconstrue it, yes. The reality is most people are too lazy to bother to either save money, or save money correctly.
This isn't some new concept to get riled up about though, our government actually runs a savings bank. Backed up by the Treasury itself, it's the safest, easiest bet you could make.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Savings_and_Investments
>>67655632
Yes, we should get rid of the NHS because fat people have nothing to do with the government or you.
I don't care about fat people and I don't care about what people choose to eat or drink, it's called freedom.
No, I'm not fat. If I was fat why would I be asking for an end to socialised healthcare? Think about it for a nanosecond.
>>67655395
>Health insurance would be cheaper, plus, you can choose not to pay it at all.
Would be a nightmare. You just know any idiot lucky enough to avoid being in a hospital his/her whole life when given the option will think not to bother. Then when they/they're gf gets pregnant, they'll expect free service
They'll just blame the government aswell for it.
>Wants to see British industry die
>Muh planet
>Muh solar panels
>Muh wind farms
Waste of a parliamentary seat
>>67655856
>Enjoying being cucked by Putin's gas
Whether or not climate change is a meme, there's nothing wrong with being energy self sufficient.
>>67655395
>Health insurance would be cheaper
Not necessarily. The NHS is comparatively pretty cheap. Significantly cheaper than the US system which people hold up as the model for private healthcare.
>>67655854
>b-but people's feelings!
Is that really your argument?
Getting your gf pregnant has nothing to do with the government, holy shit.
>>67655153
also buy property is being levied by 3% rents will rise so I'd advise buying a house.
>>67655837
>muh freedom
burger ex-pat confirmed. Nothing to see here.
>>67655981
>Significantly cheaper than the US system which people hold up as the model for private healthcare.
Why would you use the worst model of private healthcare? It's almost like you're bias.
>>67653606
There's already a Fawcett Inn just round the corner from me in Portsmouth.
>>67655991
>Getting your gf pregnant has nothing to do with the government, holy shit.
Im sure you'll never have that problem, but regardless my point was giving idiotic people the choice of no free health would cause them to moan even more so than now. Its not a good option.
EU referendum poll:
Remain: 42%
Leave: 44%
(via ORB, phone / 11 - 14 Mar)
M O M E M T U M
>>67656162
>FAT PEOPLE ARE MY BUSINESS BECAUSE I PAY FOR THEIR HEALTHCARE
>IS THAT A COKE YOU'RE DRINKING HOLY SHIT M8 HAVE SOME ORANGE JUICE INSTEAD
Here's an idea: how about you fuck off. It's literally none of your business what people do.
>>67655954
>there's nothing wrong with being energy self sufficient.
Indeed, but renewables are anything but that. Proponents bang on about how at some undefined date in the future they will be viable and we need to keep investing in them indefinitely until that happens, but the fact remains that we have been for years and years now and they are not any closer to being able to form the backbone of a national power grid...
Also many of these idiots are hard against nuclear which is as close to a magic bullet technology to solve all of their problems as it's possible to get.
>>67655954
Solar and wind farms are not enough to fulfil our power needs. Go Nuclear or go home and the Greens are totally against it.
>>67656358
It is when the NHS, which I support, gets crushed under your massive bulk fuckstick.
Just dumped a grand into a help to buy ISIS with a standing order of 200 quid a month
Holy fuck it's like 850 free quid first year and 600 a year after that.
I'm so fucking hyped
>>67656241
>idiotic people would be upset
Who cares? You're argument is literally now:
>muh other people's feelings
You're laughable m8, go away and have a think before coming back and spewing this nonsense.
>>67656436
Nuclear waste fucks up the oceans
>>67656188
Well ok m8, point out a non shit-tier country with private healthcare that pays significantly less than us. There's lot on that chart.
>>67649806
>sugar tax on soft drinks
fucks sake, don't punish me because fat fucks can't manage their calorie intakes or brush their teeth
>fuel and beer duties frozen
fuel duties need to fall desu, not get frozen
better than nothing though
>new rail lines
FIX THE OLD ONES FIRST REEEEEEEE
>tax cuts for small businesses
10/10
>every school in England to become an academy
that'll blow up in his face desu, good idea giving schools more autonomy but it won't actually work like that long term they'll just get progressively more and more fucked by the government rather than by their councils
>devolution of criminal justice
not sure how I feel about that desu
>£700m in flood defences
but still no dredging allowed sorry lol :^)
>>67656527
Why do you support paying for other people's healthcare? Do you just like complaining about what other people eat?
>>67656534
>help to buy ISIS
Don't think you want to be admitting to that bruv
>>67656575
None of the countries on your graph have entirely private healthcare m8.
>>67656616
because the poor fucker who gets hit by something out of their control gets my support over the fat cunt doing it to themselves. I know empathy is a hard thing for you to grasp but give it a go, even briefly.
>>67655171
Help to buy or the bennies bonus savings?
Help to buy is capped at 3k right?
>>67656809
Then find one. If it's the great thing you keep saying it is and the USA doesn't count for some reason then give an example.
>>67656858
Effectively yes
I was talking about the 2017 ISA
>>67656824
In that case you could just pay for that person's healthcare yourself, or join a charity that does that for people who honestly deserve it.
The system you pay into now only encourages people to be unhealthy, so your empathy argument falls flat.
You are so short-sighted it's laughable.
>>67657007
>You are so short-sighted it's laughable.
the irony
>>67655954
>what is nuclear
>what is shale gas
>what is north sea oil
>what are hydroelectric dams
being self sufficient doesn't have to mean bending over for the big juice white elephant cock that is wind and solar
>>67657234
>literally can't plan ahead for their own healthcare
>has to have big daddy government to handle it for them
>calls others short-sighted
kek
>>67657007
Pfft, if anyone's being short-sighted it's you with your insurance company shilling.
I'm pretty ambivalent, and the NHS is a sacred cow and not going anywhere anyway, but you're going to end up paying taxes for someone's healthcare anyway.
No matter how much of an edgelord you might be, the government wouldn't just give up on those with no insurance, so we would be collectively paying, even if just for very basic level of care. Might as well pay a bit more and have the all-encompassing behemoth we have now.
>>67656989
Just looked that up.
Fucking hell that's amazing
HYPE
Y
P
E
>>67657007
>The system you pay into now only encourages people to be unhealthy
The whole idea of taxes like this one is to negate that effect.
>>67657609
>insurance company shilling.
>the unhealthy relationship between insurance companies and hospitals is completely unavoidable :( it will just end up costing $10,000 to pull a tooth like in america :( we are laissez faire capitalists just like america after all :(
>but you're going to end up paying taxes for someone's healthcare anyway.
What?
>the government wouldn't just give up on those with no insurance
What does it have to do with the government? Let me guess: muh feelings
>>67657862
>tax alcohol, tobacco and fuel at 60% or more
>huge black markets open up
>80% of all tobacco is bought illegally
>people travel to france to buy booze
>illegal fuel depots, people using agricultural fuel, etc, being closed down all the time
>people driving overseas to france or germany for cheaper fuel so we lose even more money
Bravo. I'm sure taxing food will work though.
>>67657862
While he might be way off base on the cost aspect, he is right about that.
It's not going to solve anything so long as there is this massive safety net to protect people from their stupid decisions. If we tax/ban everything unhealthy then pretty soon we're a no-fun-allowed even-more-nanny totalitarian state because big neigh soviet government programmes like that do not mix with freedom because people doing what they want without consequence means either you're paying for it or you need to restrict their freedom, or you go halfway with a punishment tax and it just drives these people into the hands of organised crime.
already spunking 200 in my Help-to-buy ISA p/m
dunno if I can be arsed saving any more than that
>>67653932
>If everyone paid for their own healthcare
>IF
If fat people could control their fat fucking mouths we wouldn't have this problem.
Gee what a great argument. What is a more realistic expectation fatties learning self-control or ripping up the NHS and putting private healthcare in place.
I'll give you a hint its the first one.
So we're getting Common Core?
>>67658488
>What is a more realistic expectation fatties learning self-control or ripping up the NHS and putting private healthcare in place.
The second one. so long as there are no real personal consequences for their actions they will keep doing it and you will keep paying for it.
>>67658488
It's literally none of your business what people choose to do. Well, it is, because you're a fucking tard paying for their healthcare.
How about you give me some money to? Here, I'll drink a can of coke and you pay for my future liver transplant. Sounds good?
*too
>>67658637
Are we? Can't be much worse than the current shit they call education.
The problem lefties forget/ignore as always is culture. The reason why people are fat is because self restraint has gone.
In scandinavia people still have self restraint, which is also necessary for social democracy to work. In asia people have self restraint and quite strong peer pressure too.
People aren't fat because unhealthy food is cheap. Unhealthy food is much cheaper in Korea. All taxing sugar does is punish people are being bad without moving any responsibility onto them. It is the infantalisation of a country, it is *literally* a nanny state.
>>67658283
>What does it have to do with the government? Let me guess: muh feelings
If you can't see how that would be a PR bombshell for any government, one or two people dying in the street with no healthcare, I think you might be autistic.
This is what gets me about /pol/, it's all fart (policy ideas) and no poo (actual policy implementation).
What did they say about disabled people?
>>67658921
I assume that's what they mean by turning every school into an academy
>fuck the NHS
>fuck the sugar tax
>fuck my nanny welfare state
>>67659110
nothing particularly other than Corbyn having a moan about it during a Budget announcement
>>67659042
Heroin junkies and the homeless die on the streets all the time, yet where is the PR bombshell?
Oh wait, they don't count, do they?
>i'm so empathic
>>67659110
Pretty sure it's just grammar schools by another name.
Academies?. Of what exactly?. If you stick a different label on a pile of shit... you know it is still SHIT right ?.
>>67659270
plenty of us here have argued with you and yet were all wrong
you seem like a dimwit with an agenda
>>67659270
I'm not talking about my personal feelings, I'm talking about the press and general public consensus.
We will always offer basic public healthcare because of it.
>>67659316
I think you don't need a teaching qualification to teach in an academy whereas you do in a normal school.
>FUCK THE VETERANS LIVING ON THE STREETS HOMELESS I REALLY WANT TO PAY FOR FATTY MCFAT'S NHS OPERATION SO THEY CAN EAT MORE
>FUCK CHARITY AND ACTUALLY HELPING PEOPLE ONLY GOVERNMENT MANDATED EMPATHY VIA TAX COUNTS
>WHAT WILL THE POOR FAT PEOPLE THINK HAVE SOME HUMANITY
>I'M SO FUCKING EMPATHETIC FUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK
>>67659316
It's actually quite a big change. The schools still have to follow the national curriculum but how they go about it will be up to them and they are allowed to raise money on their own.
Puts a bit of competition into the system which should improve standards. Means no more shit like no child left behind and other similar government interference too beyond the occasional inspection.
muh fanta
>>67659697
Well... that's the right way to "raise standards" then isn't it. I really, really hope you are wrong there about not needing a teaching qualifications.
>>67651669
Confirmed.
You can pay up to 300-500pcm for a room as far east as Southend and Basildon.
>>67660063
Seeing as they would be self governing for the most part that might be technically true, much like a company can hire someone with no qualifications if they want to.
They won't though unless it's some extreme case.
>>67660001
Anyone who drinks Nazi-juice deserves to be taxed desu; fucking vile.
> which should improve standards
Well standards have been decreasing since the late 1970's. I am going with it won't raise
standards at all.
On self governance, well that's going to comedown to money, as usual.
>>67660762
>Well standards have been decreasing since the late 1970's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_education_in_England#Circular_10.2F65_and_comprehensive_education
That's what happened in the 70s. This proposal would effectively reverse that decision and allow selection again.
>>67660602
>implying there shouldn't be a tax on free speech zones online like 4chan
It will be a tax on ISPs though so you won't even know you're paying :^)
We should tax cyclists since bicycles don't pay road tax it's basically a tax loophole :^)
People who buy sun lotion should be taxed since sun exposure causes 90% of all skin cancer it's affecting the NHS :^) we can put the price on top of the lotion it will be like you're aren't paying :^)
What else can we tax bros.
>>67661071
It was a joke, I don't actually support taxing people's choices, I just don't like Fanta.
>tfw can't wait for 2020 and George Osborne to be the new PM purely for the mass butthurt it's going to cause
There will be literal suicides
>>67661071
Bog Roll tax. It's something Indians do so well without, why cant we
>>67661071
Fuck me, you don't half come on strong do you. Maybe we should tax imports on Chinese cartoons so you get out a bit more.
>>67661630
Implying Britain won't leave the EU, causing Boris to become the leader and leading to a meme-tastic Boris vs. the Comrade GE.
>>67661501
Whoa not everyone can afford to buy Fanta think of all the people who can't we should tax everyone to subsidise those who can't afford Fanta not everyone has the choice not to buy it ARE YOU SOME CORPORATIST WE ARE THE 99% wow #ourNHS #stopthecuts
>>67661813
>Liket his page if you think soldiers should be paid the same as Wayne Rooney
>>67656323
Delicious~
>>67661700
Where's your empathy, dude? I weigh 32st and watch anime all day, you should pay for my healthcare. I can't afford a TV license you should pay for it so stop me watching imported anime. Only half your tax goes to the NHS and welfare let's just tax you a little more. You can afford it. Have some humanity.
>>67656358
Orange juice is just as bad for you as coke calorie wise.
>>67662056
Not everyone can afford orange juice shitlord, you should be taxed more so I can buy orange juice. You will be supporting local British orange farmers as well what's not to like.
>>67657477
Brexit is probably going to be the first time in my life where my vote actually matters. All the other times I've lived in safe seats so while I still voted, it didn't really matter. But now, this is going to be more important than any other vote I have given, or probably will give in my life.
So fucking stoked for Brexit Day.
>>67657609
If you had friends or family that actually cared about you you woudn't have to worry about health bills.
>>67662204
Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, give the poor their bennies.
>>67661813
A U T I S M
>>67662414
>implying caesar shouldn't be paid the same a janitor
STOP INCOME INEQUALITY NOW
I JUST
CAN'T
EVEN
>>67662204
We don't produce orange juice in this country. it's imported. The point is that taxing drinks on sugar content is silly.
Anyway Orange Juice is cheaper than Coca Cola so what's your problem?
>>67662470
>you are now aware of a programme on bbc (dunno if one ir two) called the a word
no prizes for guessing what the a word is.
Children should be taught in school that the most important aspect of not becoming an obese fuck is managing your caloric intake.
Realistically, taxing sugary drinks isn't going to make people stop drinking them
>>67662722
Make the Cadets mandatory and encourage being fit for your country.
Job jobbed.
>>67662564
Uhhh, hello? Taxing coke put the price up so of course orange juice is cheaper. I'm saying we should tax orange juice so it costs the same as coke to subsidise a price cut in coke for those who are literally addicted to it. Do you support big business or something? We can put the money back into education so less people drink coke.
>>67662777
I fucking loved being a Cadet, but it'd ruin the atmosphere of intense bullying if everyone had to do it.
>>67662815
>Subsidising Coke isn't supporting big business
Also, we get it Mr. A, you don't like taxes.
>>67658488
NHS quality of care is no were near that of the americans.
I'm sure you love old crumbling vacilities with 4 hour wait times just to get into A&E. Socialism sure is great.
>>67663006
Coke isn't big business in the UK anymore m8, less people buy it now. Coke businesses have been hit pretty hard by the tax. There's 2000 jobs on the line. Orange juice manufacturers have taken over the marketplace with the help of government tax breaks. How else do we readdress the balance? Whatever the solution is, it's going to cost you taxpayers a pretty penny to put right.
>>67662815
No, I mean orange juice is cheaper right now. Coca Cola is already pretty expensive, especially since they switched to the 1.75 litre bottles. But it's just as bad for you as coca cola.
>>67663424
So since orange juice is just as bad as coke we should tax it so they're equally expensive, right? That way people will be equally put off making bad choices.
>>67661071
Taxing things is a temporary solution. Education as always is key, but unfortunatly you can't fix stupid.
>>67663642
>you can't fix stupid
You can but these days people call that unethical...
>>67663567
No, neither should be taxed as that's useless social engineering that doesn't solve the problem and just makes business and life harder. I'm just pointing out that if you're trying to tackle obesity, orange juice is as bad for you calorie and weight wise as Coca Cola.
>>67663861
I pay the top rate of tax so I'm paying more into your NHS healthcare. Therefore my opinion matters more. You should eat and drink what I tell you to. I say we tax orange juice to bring it into line with coke.
btw, if you ate a burger this week you opinion is automatically invalidated.
>>67663774
This. You can easily fix stupid, but you need to be nasty.
>>67664024
I didn't eat a burger this week, I don't eat fast food and your opinion doesn't matter more. It matters the same as anyone else in this country. Certainly not more than mine as I also pay the top rate of tax. However, payment of tax does not mean your opinion matters more.
>>67662777
More like manditory military service for two years between the ages of 16-18. Will drive some diciplin into them and mature them for further education.
If a conflict ever came around we'd have a large percentage of the population already trained for combat.
Would also force the pakis to conform.
>>67664275
they'll say it's against their beliefs or some shit like that.
>>67664245
>However, payment of tax does not mean your opinion matters more.
Yes, it does. If you're paying more into the system to subsidise people who aren't paying as much then naturally what you think matters more. We should basically control what the lower classes eat and drink via taxes and heavy levies. They will make the right "choice" then. Where's your empathy?
>>67664275
Spare a thought for the poor instructors at Pirbright and Catterick having to deal with millions who don't want to be there. Not to mention we would have to build huge amounts of new barracks and facilities to house all of these new recruits who would really be prevented from entering the workforce for another two years and would lose the time to develop key technical skills.
The Military exists to employ lethal force in service to the Crown and its Government. Anything that impedes that task, like say, playing nursemaid to millions of idiots, is not in its interest. Instead, we need to go back to the old system of largely self-funded Volunteer groups and Militias working in conjunction with the Army Reserve if we wanted to do such a thing.
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