The shit has hit the fan here, everyone is trying to save himself from the jail, no one knows if Lula has become a minister so he can save himself from being prosecused, our president has to choose if she is going to save her good friend (Mercadante) or her boss. (Lula).
But the police wants to prosecute Mercandante while Delcídio is arrested and practicing delation, so when he goes to the jail he can at least stay at home.
Behind it all we have a party (PMDB) trying to change brazilian constituition to parlamentarism so that this party can gain more power.
It is happening just after a 4 million people protest. LOL
Should make a TV show about it.
>>67523942
parlamentism doesn't sound bad though, or is it just a buzzword for bad things
>>67524156
The parlamentism that PMDB wants is not actual parliamentarism, it is a "mix" presidecialism and parliamentarism, which they are calling "semiparlamentarism". It is going to be voted tomorrow. They just want more power and save everyone.
Because the operation that is putting everyone on jail (Lava-jato) will go into another law instance called STF. STF is bought by the politics, so they will get away free from the prosectors accusations.
If this happens people will go crazy here, you can expect blood and death, that's for sure.
>>67524823
shit is midair
collision into air blower is coming
>>67524823
blood and death for the political elite would be a nice change of pace wouldn't it
>>67525286
oh yes
>>67525286
People makes "jokes" about killing than, but the truth is that everyone would love that to happen.
But we conscience that they can't die yeat, because the Lava-Jato operation is about halfway through, it is phaase 25 out of 46(i think). It means that it is halway through and the president is about to suffer impeachment.
There are a lot o shit to uncover, the Lava-Jato operation can't change its instance, the STF will kill it. We want the STF judges to go to the jail too.
If Lula, his son and his wife go to the jail, they will probably call for delation, because they are going to die in the prision, and that would be a major victory helping to finish brazilian corruption. Everyone would go to jail.
Each time a news about Lula prision get popular the dollar values gets down, meaning it is good for our economy. The marketing wants Lula on jail.
Oh boy, nothing beats a good old South American Corruption Scandal.
And when it happens in Brazil, you can be sure that everybody in the continent is involved.
>>67523942
Brazil is what America will be in 20 years if we don't make a move.
*fixed some spelling*
People makes "jokes" about killing them, but the truth is that everyone would love that to happen.
But we have conscience that they can't die yet, because the Lava-Jato operation is about halfway through, it is in phase 25 out of 46(i think). It means that it is halfway through and the president is already about to suffer impeachment.
There are a lot o shit to uncover, the Lava-Jato operation can't change its instance, the STF will kill it. We want the STF judges to go to the jail too.
If Lula, his son and his wife go to the jail, they will probably call for delation, because they are going to die in the prision, and that would be a major victory helping to finish brazilian corruption. Everyone would go to jail.
Each time a news about Lula prision get popular the dollar value goes down, meaning it is good for our economy. The marketing wants Lula on jail.
Man between that in Brazil and Kirchner biting the dust in Argentina, I'm getting ready for the next dirty war.
>>67526259
This is sadly true, leftists destroy everything.
>>67523942
>shit has hit the fan
>literally
/thread
This sounds really interesting but I don't know anything about south america. Brazil please tell me more. All I know is that your president is some sort of clown
What happens if Lula becomes a minister? Is he immune to prosecution?
>>67526930
Basically, the only instance that can judge him is STF, which is bought out by PT. So yeah, if he become a minister he is basically "saved".
Until everyone goes crazy, calls for military intervation and ends the "pacifist protests".
>Trump gets elected
>Cuba falls to capitalism
>Leftist government in Brazil ends
>Venezuela invaded
>Creation of FTAA
>New Rightwing American continent grows in power
>Refugees in Europe cause leftist govt debt
>China's growth stops
>Leftist countries fall
>>67523942
Corruption is in Brazilian genes, since what can you expect from people who basically were race erased by conquerers and accept their culture.
Brazil: European culture mixed with African culture and American greed, literally no original Indian culture left anywhere.
>>67527325
>>China's growth stops
Won't happen.
>>New Rightwing American continent grows in power
that is probable considering Argentina has always pretty much been the precursor of that kind of change on the continent.
>>67527325
>Trump gets elected
>Latin America becomes US colony
>history repeats itself
fixed
>>67523942
Fuck yeah, Brazil.
>>67528243
We can only wish
>>67528243
Probably most of Brazil's skyscrapers/fancy building are in American or other foreigner ownership anyway.
>>67528522
literally greased pig
>>67528522
>RealityKings.com
Owner is basically from Florida, so Brazil can't even own their millions of whores, not to mention whole country.
>>67528827
Literally, you don't know what literally means.
You're using it wrong.
>>67526715
The president has too much power, the entire economy and social projects are dependent of him/her decision.
The main function of our president is to aprove laws and indicate ministers to "manage" education, agriculture, culture (yeah, really), in total we have 39 ministries (LOL). But the truth is that our state is inflated, the state is big because they want to have more power and influence, so they can control our judiciary system and corrupt everyone.
They gain with the corruption, because they can steal and not get prosecuted.
Lava-Jato is the first operation that are putting them on jail, it is happening because of the 2013/2014 protests that forced the president to sign a law that permitted the "delation law". The federal police is using this law at full lenght to getting everyone on the jail.
This law offers some benefits to the one who is practicing the delation, like being held in jail at home and a cut in the years that he has to spent in jail. It is extremely effective, without it we wouldn't be here in this position right now.
We have a leftist party extremely strong here, most people who has university degrees, history and geographic teachers, militants, they all make communist and socialist propaganda since we are in high-school, these people gave too much power to the politicians, because for some time people believed that USA was a bad thing that was controlling our economy and destroy everything so they can control us easily.
The thing, the leftist discurs are very charming indeed, alwayes calling for "equality", for gay equality, to "fight againist capitalism" and stuff. Until a few years ago a huge part of our society used to view american as a primal evil and the first cause for our poverty.
The thing is, the right-wing party has organized itself and we are fighting the communists. People are learning about how communist is bad, and how they spread misinformation. It is crazy here. We are in a ideological war.And we are winning.
>>67528901
So, Slav, when are we going to Florida?
>>67527427
Indian culture is shit.
>>67523942
>no one knows if Lula has become a minister so he can save himself from being prosecused
Apenas você não sabe sua bixa, todo mundo mais já tá ligado nisso
>>67529378
I think i can order bacon butter from here, no need to go there.
>>67529462
>denying own cultural history
Brazil will never be unfucked. You have in your genes that you betray your race, so one can't expect from you that you don't betray everything else too.
Breaking news: Looks like Lula will be our miniters for real.
They are burning Mercadante. LOL
So much for friendship, huh?
>>67523942
can't keep up with the monkey names sorry Hue
Brazil sounds like an anarcho-tyrannical dystopia
Fuck the republic and any dumb shit that supports it, it's about time we put the Braganças back on the throne (they should have never left btw) to fix our glorious Empire
>>67530209
chegou o monarquista de xã lmao
>>67529248
Maybe he's being ironical
>>67529839
Indians doesn't make part in brazilian history in the sense that they didn't created anything relevant here. The only movement that has acknowledge indians were the Romantism one, and it was only a literary movement.
Indians doesn't do shit for our economy, are full of ritualistic shit and don't even believe that the earth is round (literally). Our culture is based on the european one with a little bit mix of african culture. We are mostly catholics and protestants. Most of us believe in God.
Stop this shit leftist propaganda.
>>67526448
This. Just fucking go to war with Argentina already, it'll estimulate the economy and it'll rid us of those annoying pieces of shit.
>>67524973
It is called a fan, btw.
>>67526365
>Lava-Jato operation
Good luck guys. I've been to Brazil twice and it is beautiful.
>>67529839
>own cultural history
we aren't indians we killed them like usa, we just didn't killed them all until they disappear, they still exist but they are isolated. we didnt racemixed like the other latin american countries, thats the main difference between brazil and spanish speaking countries of america
only 0.4% of brazil population is indigenous
>>67526715
A Quick run down of Brazilian History for you
>Once upon a time there was a great and democratic Empire
>Emperor upsets the elites by being to much in favor of the common people
>Coup
>Republican dictatorship
>and then another coup
>Another dictatorship
>some years later there's a coup
>Followed by a dictatorship
And people still believe in republicanism. It makes no goddamn sense how stupid people can be
>>67530869
But you did import 10x more slaves per capita. Part of your problem.
>>67530547
>muh Jesus intensifies
The only thing you do in Brazil is pray to Jesus and fuck each other in the butt, literally. Everything else is owned by USA. So of course Indians didn't create anything, it's pointless since they not working for themselves, they are building for international Jew inc.
>>67530547
the earth isn't round you retard...
>>67523942
So how (in)accurate was the biopic Lula from the perspective of ordinary Brazilians?
>>67530998
black slaves. brazil culture is european+african, the only indigenous thing we have is taking baths everyday
>>67530209
That is not a bad idea, but do you think that people will accept it? I don't think so.
The Braganças are the brazilian royal family who was dethroned by the Republicans, they didn't start a war to defend themselves because they didn't want to start a civil war.
Brazil was developing in an extremely fast pace since they started to manage stuff here. But the Republicans took over, and we become this mess.
>>67530869
>Mexicans hate their history
>Brazilians hate their history
You all basically sold out to some European Jesus and talk about how those who conquered you and genocided Brazil will save Brazil. Same shit in Mexico: muh Jesus, muh Jesus politician...beheading of heads intensifies in Jesus's name.
>That feel when your politics are the laughingstock of the world
How can one single country have so many corrupt politicians, Jesus fuck.
>>67523942
I keked hard when I found that Lula's only chance to escape arrest was basically cucked by Mercadantes dumb attempt to silence Delcídio. Dilma will either have to ministers under criminal investigation working for her or betray Lula and let "The Father of the Poor" go to jail.
>tfw Lula won't be able to run for public Office again due to Fixa Limpá
>>67523942
Can someone post a bit more of context on whats the highlights of politics in brazil, I'd appreciate it. I don't know very much about southern america shamefully.
>>67531318
Yeah, People here sell out faster than your average game streamer
>>67531318
I'm not that guy, also, with mexico is different, they racemixed hard and literally almost 100% of mexico is amerindian while it's not the case here.
compare brazil with mexico here.
we still know myths from the indigenous, but thats all. we are not descendents of them like mexicans.
You know what you have to do, Brasil.
>>67531318
That's wrong you clown. There barely any native Americans around. They were slaughtered and then the solution back then was to breed out the remaining natives and blacks , which backfired because the newer generations stopped giving a shit.
>>67531318
Are you trying to fix stuff that happened 500 years ago? Come on, we are not in medieval times anymore. LOL
>>67531189
Truth is on our side bro. The only argument I ever hear from anti monarchists is that the system is "old", they can never present any rational argument that proves the republican system is better than the imperial one.
We gotta educate people, I'm a history teacher and that's what I try to do.
>>67531553
Well at least here they can go to jail, unlike Hillary.
>>67531553
These investigations are much more of an example than a source of shame, you tithead. The only time such thing happened in history was during the Operation Clean Hands in Italy.
>>67532596
>brazil education
>socialism is good
>capitalism is evil
>hitler wanted to kill everyone that wasn't blonde and hated blacks
>>67532596
What do you think of Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn? If you don't know shit about it, I recommend picking up Liberty or Equality and Leftism Revisited. The best to describe his work in short summary is this: "Kuehnelt-Leddihn often argued that majority rule in democracies is a threat to individual liberties, and declared himself a monarchist and an enemy of all forms of totalitarianism."
He argued that democracy isn't inherently liberal in the classical sense of the word. And Monarchy isn't inherently anti-liberal.
I'd rate it 9/10. I'm still for a Republic, wouldn't mind a Monarch though.
>>67533511
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_von_Kuehnelt-Leddihn
bookzz.org
>>67532990
An example of circus you mean.
Forcing millionaires and billionaires to sleep at their homes at night AKA Brazilian prison for politicians. Nothing will change.
These politicians have to be executed on electric chair.
>>67533059
That picture is fucking disgusting.
Fucking hell
What if Delcídio is telling the truth and Aécio is involved in all this corruption as well, who will be our next president? Brazilians are already historically suspicious of their representatives. The instability brought on by Lava-jato could easily escalate into violence. What's going to happen?
>>67534280
And so the greatest populist goverment of South America has fallen
There's only Evo left.
>>67523942
Can any huebro redpill me/give me a tl;dr on what's happening? We barely get info here and I don't watch the electric jew. I know the basic stuff, your president is corrupt as fuck like every single leftist president here and you are trying your best to remove commies.
>>67533059
Is this a real school textbook?
Holy shit you guys are more cucked than I thought. Seems like something out of Orwell.
>>67531881
It will only come to this if the investigation are thwarted, until then there will be no civil war, (although now it looks like it would be mpre a quick revolution).
>>67533059
A country that has to push political views on children is one not to be trusted
>>67534336
He is based but not popular but too controversial too hold office atleast at it's current state.
>>67534445
Not for long
>>67530584
the dirty war was the anti-guerilla operation you ignorant fuck
>>67534585
yes it was in my book a few years when i studied, i have 18.
another example
>>67534599
here another
>that guy sweating and smiling
>>67534941
i mean, i am 18 years old, its been a long time i don't say that in english, it confuses me.
>>67532596
The empire can only come back if the members of the royal house try to take center stage in politics again.
Unfortunately Dom Gastão isn't popular enough to lead the return of the monarch (none of them are).
>>67530869
>we didnt racemixed like the other latin american countries
Is this a joke? Brazil is majority pardo and mulatto. Not that there aren't whites, your southern states are white-majority but your statement is delusional.
Brazil is one of the most race-mixed Latin American countries.
>>67531637
Well, we are the biggest economy of South america, São Paulo alone is responsible for half of the entire latin america GDP.
We are the 8th/9th economy of the world, one of the most populous country in the world (about 250 millions) the fifth biggest territory in the world.
We are facing Russian communist agents since the fall of monarchy/Bragança family by the Republicans, after communism spread out in Latin America brazilian feared the same thing would happen to Brazil, which lead to a militairy anti-communist dictatorship. This dictatorship was excellent for the economy, Brazil has become industrialized, but a dicatatorship is still a dictatorship.
The leftists/communists fought against the dictatorship until it and it has fallen, which led to the creating of the "New Republic", the communists knew that brazilians wouldn't accept communism, so PSDB party fixed our economy (PSDB party is considered a right-wing party, but is in fact a leftist one, they are "social democrats") so that Brazil could give money to communist country all around the globe, this money was obtained through high and shady taxes.
The group that created did this, and which PSDB and PT are part of, is called "Foro de São Paulo". Well, around 2010 this "secret organization" went to public, because a philosopher called Olavo de Carvalho, who has been investigating this issue for a long time showed the truth to everyone.
So, since 2010 right-wing party started to organize itself, it lead to the creation of MBL(Movimento Brasil Livre - Free Brazil Movement) and Revoltados Online (Outraged Online) which are the organizers of the brazilians prostets since 2013. They are libertarians/free market supporters.
The first prostest that lead to our situation right now was started in 2013 by leftists that were protesting against bus tax, which was raised by 0,20 cents, but the right-wing took control of the protests and we never stop since than.
>>67534941
>>67533059
These pictures never stop triggering me.
>>67528243
>Trump gets elected
>USA goes to shit in the span of 4 years
>Mercosur and UNASUR merge and become an official union
>new golden age of iberian supremacy
>>67528243
If anything we were an unofficial British colony m8.
You never had any power down here.
>>67533511
Never heard about him, sounds good thogh. The major problem people have in understanding how a modern monarchy works is that they confuse absolute monarchy and constitutional monarchy. This guy is absolutely right, constitutional monarchies aren't anti liberal.
If you aren't against a monarch, why are you for a republic then? I don't think it's wise to give the the most important jobs in the nation to people who might have agendas of their own and who might not even be prepared to take those jobs (see Dilma).
>>67531637
The president has too much power, the entire economy and social projects are dependent of him/her decision.
The main function of our president is to aprove laws and indicate ministers to "manage" education, agriculture, culture (yeah, really), in total we have 39 ministries (LOL). But the truth is that our state is inflated, the state is big because they want to have more power and influence, so they can control our judiciary system and corrupt everyone.
They gain with the corruption, because they can steal and not get prosecuted.
Lava-Jato is the first operation that are putting them on jail, it is happening because of the 2013/2014 protests that forced the president to sign a law that permitted the "delation law". The federal police is using this law at full lenght to getting everyone on the jail.
This law offers some benefits to the one who is practicing the delation, like being held in jail at home and a cut in the years that he has to spent in jail. It is extremely effective, without it we wouldn't be here in this position right now.
We have a leftist party extremely strong here, most people who has university degrees, history and geographic teachers, militants, they all make communist and socialist propaganda since we are in high-school, these people gave too much power to the politicians, because for some time people believed that USA was a bad thing that was controlling our economy and destroy everything so they can control us easily.
The leftist discurs are very charming indeed, always calling for "equality", for gay equality, to "fight againist capitalism" and stuff. Until a few years ago a huge part of our society used to view american as a primal evil and the first cause for our poverty.
The thing is, the right-wing party has organized itself and we are fighting the communists. People are learning about how communism is bad, and how they spread misinformation. It is crazy here. We are in a ideological war.And we are winning.
>>67535137
You got it wrong. We are mixed but mixed with blacks and everything else, but not with natives. That's what i was talking about.
>>67535264
i was also teached that cuba was super rich place and it was literally paradise on earh, where you could be anything you want to be for free
>>67534763
Contrary to everyone's expectations, Evo turned out of be the most level headed of the populist.
>>67534522
Do you live under a rock m8?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35725415
>>67535461
>datpic
Fuck that shit.
>>67533059
LOL
Communist propaganda since fundamental school.
>>67534941
Holy shit, the Kirchners were bad but this is North Korea-tier.
>>67535461
That's even worse.
>>67535494
He wasn't that much leveled headed when he took our oil fields in Bolivia or tried to pass a law that encouraged to steal vehicles of the neighboring nations.
Guy is maniac.
>>67535338
>south America
>iberian
>>67535792
my history teacher praised the Ks 24/7 to the point the entire class jumped on my defense when he started to diss me for responding to his claims.
>>67535898
There's not a single nation in this subcontinent that doesn't know how to make a paella.
Culturally Iberian, with gimmicks, yes, but still such.
>>67535669
>>67535726
>>67535792
>no favelas
>no literacy
>everyone have quality school and healthcare
the delusion is north korea tier
>>67535898
As an Italian Argentine I agree.
There are no Iberian countries here.
Just like I wouldn't call modern day USA "Anglo" either.
>>67535207
>We are facing Russian communist agents since the fall of monarchy/Bragança family by the Republicans
I think Russians don't even know Brazil exists.
>>67535409
>If you aren't against a monarch, why are you for a republic then?
It's what I'm more familiar with. I never lived under a constitutional monarch. And even then I don't think everyone should be allowed to vote. Only property owners and men that joined the military. And I'm on the fence on whether women should vote or not.
>>67535461
I was taught this sort of stuff in School too. Even in a private school, though it was far more tame. But you could notice that there was more of an inclination towards socialism.
>>67536041
>paella
>outside of Argentina, Uruguay and Chile
Confirmed for never travelling the continent. Try asking a Peruvian chola to cook you a paella.
>>67535859
el glorioso ejercito boliviano, top kek
i'm still pissed the ks gave bolivia a chunk of our territory fucking over like 1000 citizens
>>67536063
Iberian and Anglo are cultural groups. If you want them to be different don't look further than Scotsland, Wales and Cornwall, yet they are all anglo too.
Same applies to us. Hell you'll find more in common with a flip than with the eternal anglo
>>67535119
Dom Rafael (third in line of succession) is young and charismatic, he tries to spread the monarchy idea as best as he can. Most of the royal house even shows up at the recent protests. the problem is that the first time the media even acknowledged them was last year, and the movement is still too small, but it has been growing, and it will grow more everyday as people notice it exists
>>67530584
you don't get it
>>67536122
They do know. But the real agents of communism in Latin America was Castro brothers and Guevara.
>>67530584
>Mexican education
As expected from a headless corpse
>>67536464
>but it has been growing, and it will grow more everyday as people notice it exists
I know I saw 5 Imperial flags during the sunday protests in my city.
>>67533059
>implying there would even be any people working at the factory if robots were doing everything
>>67536464
It's what I want to believe, anyway. It's the only hope.
Even if we get some decent politicians they'd be out of office in 4 or 8 years or get deposed by another coup. There is just no hope for this country.
>>67536905
that's the point, they aren't working, look at the guy on the pc doing nothing, and the man and woman are reading books. socialists don't want to work.
>>67536773
Guevara ended up telling the Russians to fuck off.
And the Chinese, and the Africans. He basically ended up hating all the gommies.
>>67536350
You sure?
>>67536327
>It's what I'm more familiar with. I never lived under a constitutional monarch. And even then I don't think everyone should be allowed to vote. Only property owners and men that joined the military. And I'm on the fence on whether women should vote or not.
Holy shit grampa get on with the times. Or actually educate yourself.
>>67523942
Who gives a fuck? Brazil is irrelevant.
>>67533059
Absolutely repulsive!
>>67537360
>Holy shit grampa get on with the times. Or actually educate yourself.
Redundant desu senpai
>>67536041
>my history teacher praised the Ks 24/7
Fucking this. I had a far left liberal history teacher back in high school. Literally every single class was muh ebil imperialism and how commies are a gift from heaven, sometimes she would make us watch some bullshit propaganda. Thank Kek we didn't make it as far as reading commie books
>>67536419
>Same applies to us. Hell you'll find more in common with a flip than with the eternal anglo
What the fuck are you smoking?
We have more in common with the Anglos and the Italians than with the Spaniards. (Let alone the Philippines)
And I speak from experience, I've been to all three places. The football and rock culture (not to mention the rugby) is much more similar to our own in Britain than in Spain.
There are NO Iberian countries in Latin America. Argentina is too Italian (and has other European and South American influences) to be called properly Iberian, while the rest of the continent is too native- or African influenced.
>>67537670
My teacher hated the commies for not being Peronists
>>67537818
Don't forget that we es white.
>>67534938
>>67536475
>>67536797
Hahah savaged. Can we replace central america with you guys?
>>67537360
Yeah, true, but the communism here was influenced by the Russians in the beggining.
>>67537450
You should give a fuck because if Brazil ends up with a civil war there will be more refugees for you europeans cuckolds to house.
Ok, Lula is the minister, confirmed, if the semiparliamentaris is aproved tomorrow he will be the Prime-minister, he will be even higher than the president itself.
Holy Fuck.
>>67538327
True.
>>67537818
>That graph
Brazil is a lot like Africa in many ways, despite the fact that the people here love to pretend they are more civilized
>>67537450
>>67537450
I never thought I'd see a finn mocking a country for being irrelevant. Such lack of self awareness is marvelous. Kek
>>67537818
>Argentina is too Italian (and has other European and South American influences) to be called properly Iberian
You went to other countries but never visited the interior? The same families that governed in the 1800s are still there to this day, and all their tradition dates to back the colony
Buenos Aires has undeniable Italian influences, but claiming that we are a culturally italian nation is ridiculous. Just look at how many surnames you had in the voting polls.
I don't know what the fuck you mean with rock culture, I'm a music collector and know the entire history of our music scene. The last time we had anything to be with the brits rock wise was in 1965 with the beatle copycat bands, by 1969 we were radically different in style thanks to the Cueva scene, the only influence we later got was from brit imported ska culture
Hell check the books you've read in school. how many spanish authors compared to other foreigners did you read?
>>67538327
not gonna happen.
>>67538485
meaning?
>>67533059
what the fuck
>>67538485
I don't see this ending in anything other that massive riots.
>>67538485
Brazilian civil war when?
>>67525286
it would but the brazilian are too bluepilled and coward
>>67539937
soon
>>67538485
>confirmed
sauce?
>>67539546
>meaning?
He will escape jail
It seems like our politicians are trying their best to start a civil war.
>>67539546
He won't be prosecuted and will accelaret their plan to transform Brazil in a communist/socialist country.
If the military strikes back things going to get ugly. But some of our militairies are corrupted and communists.
The military may fight itself, people may fight itself.
In worst case scenario there will be a civil war. Another possibility is that the corrupt politicans won't be prosecuted.
It is a tense situation.
>>67538327
>>67539937
Hopefully after I've left this country
>>67535338
>Iberian
WOW Che que boludo sos cabron
>>67540394
>Another possibility is that the corrupt politicans won't be prosecuted.
But that just adds fuel to the fire
>>67540458
>not staying and fighting to bring back the monarchy
what else do you have going on in your life?
>>67536464
>Dom Rafael (third in line of succession) is young and charismatic, he tries to spread the monarchy idea as best as he can.
Well atleast he is prettier than his dead brother and looks certainly helps.
>>67534588
>civil war
>he actually belives this
top kek
I dont know why Brazil has Ordem e Progresso in their flag. That country is neither Order and much less Progress
>>67540085
Lol separacucks are funny.
>>67540763
A FUCKING LEAF
>>67540090
http://www.oantagonista.com/posts/dem-tenta-barrar-nomeacao-de-lula
>>67540394
>If the military strikes back things going to get ugly. But some of our militairies are corrupted and communists.
no way the military is gonna intervene. The second that happen the UN will start requesting sanctions and shit goes downhill.
Either mass protests ensue, politicians get arrested or nothing happens and life goes on.
Or maybe, just maybe, you get a macri-like independent disconnected from the old blood
>>67540603
I was born in America.
>Can vote for Trump
>Can subvert for Monarchy
I was born with a gift.
>>67540930
>no way the military is gonna intervene. The second that happen the UN will start requesting sanctions and shit goes downhill.
Do you honestly think that the UN matters?
When was the last time the Un prevent something bad from happening?
Hopefully there is a civil war so Brazil gets the Olympics taken away
>>67540549
>boludo
>cabron
>>67538485
>implying PMDB would allow Lula to gain so much power over them
blue pill at it's finest
>>67541314
una vela
>>67526234
Hold my hand and lets enjoy this ride, PeruBro.
>>67541110
Sanctioned Russia when they took crimea and forced them to open their ass to the chinese since europe won't buy their gas
>>67541418
u n a v e l a
>>67528243
>>Latin America becomes US colony
That wouldn't be so bad at all
>>67535207
>>67535414
thanks for the fleshed out responses lads
you say your president can approve laws? do you mean that he/she has both judiciary or executive power? that doesn't sound very democratic
i wish you the best huebros with your country, keep up the good fight and make brazil great again
>>67539461
Just being realistic m8... there's no denying Spanish influence is huge... but look at our culture...
Our favorite dishes (pasta, pizza, ice cream, fernet) mostly Italian. Our favorite sports (football, rugby, hockey, polo), all British.
Our accents, our surnames, our traditions (there was never bullfighting here, it was banned in the 19th century), our culture, is a huge mix from all across Europe and now South America and Asia.
That's why I wouldn't call us Iberian.
Spanish-influenced? Sure, heavily. But there's no "common Iberian culture" other than the language.
An average Argentine will know how to make a paella or tapas. But he won't eat them in his day to day the way we drink fernet.
We are a mish mash of Southern European cultures with some Northern Euro and Native thrown in. Saying we are "Iberian" is a huge stretch.
>>67540085
THE SOUTH IS MY COUNTRY
with the help of our mixed friends, São Paulo
>>67541745
Thanks, Paul.
If it doesn't work out (which it probably won't) i'll just apply for refugee status and go to the UK to fuck your women :^)
>>67539461
>>67541965
Forgot my pic
What is best for our country? Monarchy or Balkanize?
What is the most realistic solution? Monarchy or Balkanize?
>>67527325
>Leftist countries fall
>brings down rest of the world
>survivors huddle together, earth is in ruins
>a skinny man stands up, adjusts his thick glasses
>"you know, if we had given ACTUAL socialism a try...."
>>67524823
Sounds like European democracy
>>67542388
The best would be a total recall tbqh
>>67541616
>Sanctioned Russia when they took crimea and forced them to open their ass to the chinese since europe won't buy their gas
They still buy gas. Without Russian gas Germans freeze to death.
The sanctions were directed at important Russian politicians. Russia decided to strike back by fully sanctioning Western Europe.
>>67542112
Jamal is already fucking my wife so joke's on you!
>>67542126
Cuantos Italianos tenes?
Negro envidioso
wake up amerifats
this is your future if you keep electing democrats and jewish puppets
>>67541745
The president can create a "law" with immediate effect called Medida Provisória which allegedly should be used for emergency but they use it all the time. The legislative power must vote later for the continuity or the end of this act, but it usually takes months. The executive can also block new laws from the legislative, forcing it to be voted again needing 2/3 of the votes instead of 1/2.
All three powers in brazil actually have a little of everything. Judiciary can also effectively create "laws" as well, and the executive with help of the legislative can choose ministers for the supreme court which are the only ones capable of judging the members of those both powers.
>>67526259
10 if you fags elect Sanders.
>>67542814
kek
You are alright Texas.
>>67541965
Futbol is a world phenomenon, can we really count it as British influence?
>Spanish-influenced? Sure, heavily. But there's no "common Iberian culture" other than the language.
I guess I should have used latin. I have never had dissonant values with any south american in my life, even chileans who are considered the most "different" of the continent. I naturally extended this to our mother countries as it is a common factor in all of them.
Ultimately, the idea is that we are a nearly homogeneous cultural group, heavily tied to spain
>>67542126
No Syrians? They are the world's prime mate importer
i just want to kill gommies .
>>67523942
I was in the protests sunday, so funny when Aecio came and everybody started shouting "OPORTUNISTA, LADRÃO, MERDA DE OPOSIÇÃO!"
toppest of the keks
>>67542946
You just had to vote
>>67535461
MAS QUE PORRA É ESSA?
>>67523942
The people should tell Dilma they won't impeach her if she agrees to send all the blacks from the favelas back to africa. It would be an example for all western nations to follow and could revive her image.
>>67543030
Yeah I had a blonde moment earlier, meant to type legislative instead of judiciary. I can see why that's pretty bad.
And I assume those recent protests with 4mil people are about things like that? Is the corruption with those 39 ministries really that thorough? What do you think would be best for brazil considering the alternative are the "pro-parliamentarian" party OP mentionned?
>>67535461
If any of you fags want to try your luck with google translator, here are some things the main informer told police about that billionaire scheme
http://g1.globo.com/politica/operacao-lava-jato/noticia/2016/03/veja-os-principais-pontos-da-delacao-do-senador-delcidio-do-amaral.html
>>67538485
>if the semiparliamentaris is aproved tomorrow
Wait, what?
What the fuck the Congress is voting?
>>67543129
>Futbol is a world phenomenon, can we really count it as British influence?
Compare British hooliganism (barrabravas) to the mild chanting in the Spanish Liga. That's what I'm talking about.
>I have never had dissonant values with any south american in my life, even chileans who are considered the most "different" of the continent.
It's funny because my experience was the opposite. Chileans and Uruguayans are a vbad example, they are VERY similar to us culturally.
However I've been to Peru, Venezuela and Mexico and I've found the culture to be radically different. That's why I don't think there's an "Iberian" culture.
If anything, there are Western Latin American countries, those that are "Westernized" (in between), and then there are those that aren't culturally similar at all.
>>67533059
>there's a guy on fucking youtube getting paid for doing nothing
yeah it's socialism alright
also how do they expect to develop advanced machinery without capitalist innovation? absolutely delusional
>>67543246
Chainsaw them alive, all of them.
>>67533059
Is that a nuke on the background of socialism? Seems accurate, a cucked society who can't see how shit things really are.
>>67523942
So bump this up to 100% chance of recession then?
>>67540085
The South shall rise AGAIN!
>>67535461
Cuba tem até uma educação e saúde de qualidade. Não dá pra negar. Mas se você quer ceder os seus direitos pessoais, seu direito de ir e vir, sua liberdade expressiva do Estado, o seu direito de ter uma ideologia diferente do governo e viver uma merda de uma vida que você não vai crescer economicamente e vai ser escravizado pelo governo pro resto da sua vida, vá em frente, vai pra Cuba. Ninguém precisa desse tipo de gente por aqui.
>>67543956
>However I've been to Peru, Venezuela and Mexico and I've found the culture to be radically different. That's why I don't think there's an "Iberian" culture.
I think we don't have the same definitions for culture.
I find latin americans, and at some degree, to have the same moral and social values we have. Ask any south american for advice or their ideas in a topic and the responses will follow a similar trend. We treat religion, corruption and social issues in similar ways, even if we are superficially different.
Hell I vacationed in the USA and I could easily distinguish latinos of all SA from gringos just by they way they talked - and the fact that we filled the house with latino families from all the continent and and you wouldn't distinguish them unless you asked.,
Same with the gringos, anglos, aussies, etc. They all have similar cultural values and are sharply different from ours, to the point things that are normal to me piss them off and viceversa.
>>67543801
The protests are because all the government is involved in 12 years of pillage of the largest public company of the country, Petrobras which now has debts over twice it's market value (and probably many others, that's just the focus of lava-jato police investigation), and masked economics numbers at cost of the economy itself to be reelected, while making promises she knew wouldn't be possible and doing the opposite, which she accused opponents of doing, the instant she won by barely above 50% of the votes.
And with the unfavorable global market the retarded economic policies they insist so much will only make recovery much harder.
>>67544624
apparently one of Lula's condition(which i don't believe) to return is the return of the economic's policies that lead the country to this recession in the first place
kek
Imagine if a corruption scandal appears in the USA involving republicans and democrats, with every single politician being suspicious and each day new more things appears about it. Imagine Clintons, membrs of the Bush Family, Obama, McCain, Romney, I mean every single one of the big players trembling with fear because they could wake up and suddenly hear the FBI coming for them. That's what happening here in Brazil, just to compare.
>>67544754
>Cuba tem até uma educação e saúde de qualidade
http://www.therealcuba.com/?page_id=77
>>67533059
>>67534941
Oh dear
>>67543801
>What do you think would be best for brazil considering the alternative are the "pro-parliamentarian" party OP mentionned?
A nuke killing everyone in this country
>>67523942
Does this mean the Olympics is cancelled?
>>67543801
Also, parlamentarism is just a misdirection by some of the corrupt politicians. What is needed is prison for corrupt politicians, a more liberal economic policy, and stronger anti-corruption laws, like one being currently pushed as a popular initiative with 1.6M signatures to be voted by the legislative.
>>67544754
É que o povo de Cuba, por incrível que pareça, é muito melhor que o nosso (ao menos os que conheci).
Exemplo seriam os médicos cubanos, dos serviços de atendimento que conheço em algumas cidades do interior do RS, todos dizem que o atendimento dos cubanos é melhor do que dos médicos brasileiros. O foda é que o governo paga pra Cuba e Cuba, por sua vez distribui para eles (obviamente passando a mão na maior parte da grana)
>>67545109
>http://www.therealcuba.com/?page_id=77
Parece hipérbole. Acredito que a saúde de Cuba esteja uma merda em algumas partes, mas as áreas mais ricas e urbanas tem equipamentos. Antigos, mas que ainda valem.
O ponto é, aquilo que o governo faz com seu dinheiro nem sempre vale aquilo que você vai ter que sacrificar.
>>67544849
Upper class Latin Americans are all very similar.
I don't know who you interacted with t.b.h.
I backpacked in Peru and everything, from the food to the attitudes, was very different. I've spoken to upper class Ecuadorians on an airport, and yes, they were very similar to us in outlook and attitude.
I guess class does determine a lot too.
Upper classes are all "Western" regardless of the country.
Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
>>67544754
>Cuba tem até uma educação e saúde de qualidade.
O tempo de vida médio de um Cubano é o mesmo de um Americano, que basicamente come lixo radioativo e não tem "SUS".
>>67545322
No. It means we are opening a new sport called "Killing Worker's Party members".
>>67546341
best sport
>>67533059
>>67534941
I like it.
>>67545426
Realmente, um país que trata médico como commodity deve ser muito melhor que o nosso.
>em algumas cidades do interior do RS, todos dizem que o atendimento dos cubanos é melhor do que dos médicos brasileiros.
Evidência anedotal.
>>67546341
I wish. What we really will do is post angry facebook posts and whatsapp chain mails. And in 2018 Lula is president again.
This country is a disgrace. Why can't we be bombed. How can we start a war with someone?
>>67546341
It's Rio Olympics, it needs to add PMDB members there as well.
>>67546634
I'm sure you do
BROWN SKIN,
TO THE BIN
>>67523942
Brazilians if it comes down to revolution, please get rid of as many socialists as you can.
>>67545535
>I backpacked in Peru and everything, from the food to the attitudes,
Well, wouldn't you same the same thing about negros cabeza?
I think you are getting stuck in the details and not observing the big picture. it's kinda hard to describe since none of us here are anthropologists, but we can clearly draw a line in latin america where there's a certain level of cultural homogeneity.
>Upper classes are all "Western" regardless of the country
western is a very superficial group. Almost all Europe is western and they have radically different cultures (when they don't bend over for their german overlords), it isn't really valid beyond describing europeans as a whole
>>67544624
we've been in recession since late 2014 (two consecutive semesters with negative gdp growth, pic related), 2015 was 10 times worse we are just waiting on the consolidated data and 2016 will for sure be another year of recession because with the political crisis the congress is doing nothing to adress the economic crisis which right now puts us on serious risk of default
our debt/gdp ratio has balooned since 2013, we need to pass some comprehensive welfare reform and better the business environment but that's so fucking impopular in this populist socialist shithole these measures will never pass in the current scenario, so they'll just foot the bill with tax hikes eventually (that giant baloon duck in the protests), for the third time in your recent history
these tax hikes happened in 64 (military dictatorship) and 92 (neoliberal opening) already, these were both times of similar grave political and economic crisis, so I'm expecting history to repeat itself soon even though right now we are living the worst crisis in our history, both politically and economically
expressive growth (>1%) is not expected until 2018 when new elections are held, even then nobody knows yet what the fuck to do to boost growth again, we are in no position to assume relevant positions in global supply chains, we are a nation of uneducated dumbfucks living on welfare, we gave a shit ton of money to a few corporations trying to create our own chaebols but they are all failing, lula rode his popularity wave but introduced no relevant long term reforms, he wasn't even able to develop some decent infrastructure (b-but muh hunger)
we are literally fucked, we'll get taxed outta the ass again, the economy will take a turn to extreme left (protectionism) or right (liberalization) depending on who wins the election in 2018, either we'll struggle immensely and this will be it until another commodity boom arrives while the corruption scandals keep unfolding for the next decade
>>67546681
>2002
>Depois de mudar de ideia igual muda de roupa não é possível que o Lula seja eleito
>É eleito com 61.5% dos votos
>2006
>Depois do mensalão não é possível que votem no Lula, olha a roubalheira
>É eleito com 61% dos votos
>2010
>Olha lá, trocou de candidata mas vai continuar controlando. Ela mergulhou o RS em débito enquanto foi secretária, não é possível que ela seja eleita
>É eleita com 56% dos votos
>2014
>Olha o que tá acontecendo, tá entrando tudo em débito, a Petrobrás logo logo vai entrar em colapso, tão tirando dinheiro da educação e da saúde, maquiando a economia, não é possível que seja eleita
>É eleita com 51.5% dos votos
>2018
>?????
>>67547513
>brazil
>liberalization
>>67547044
The problem is: only drug dealers have guns so there is no way we can "make revolution". THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU AMERICANS HAVE TRIED TO WARN US.
Also, the market clearly want them gone. When is CIA gonna spice things up?
>>67547863
Get the police and army on your side, they got guns.
>>67542407
Nigger, please.
>>67548577
>police
Main branch is part of the military
>military
Is cucked and forced to cry to the government every 4 years or won't get funds to survive
>>67547830
it happened once in our history and to this day it's the shoah of the left
OY VEY THE 10 TRILLIONS WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN FOR VALE AND TELEBRAS OY VEY
>>67547383
Let me put it in simple terms... I've felt more at home in Italy than in Peru. And yes, Western is a superficial term, but still valid.
Peru or Venezuela felt alien to me, with strange foods, customs and people. I could understand better the Italians than the strange slang in Venezuela (mamaguevo, vaina, carajitos). Eventually I learned the slang, but it was actually a harder adaptation.
Chile is a whole other story. Chileans speak funny but they are just like us otherwise.
>>67548828
>privatização guiada
>liberalismo
The management of the economy was worse than the corruption:
Brazil had low unemployment and an inflation of about 6%. The government decided to increase growth by: increasing deficit spending, decreasing interest rates and depreciating exchange rates. As anyone that has studied Macro 101 knows, when there is no lack of demand (as shown by the law unemployment and high inflation), those policies will at the same time not increase growth (except in the very short run, eventually the GDP will fall to normal levels) and will increase inflation.
And so, as anyone that has studied Macro 101 would expect... Growth did not increase but inflation did.
The government decided to control inflation (in an election year) by controlling energy prices (which led to huge government expenses and reduced investment in the sector) and oil prices (which ended up harming Petrobras more than corruption did).
Not only that, they had a very activist industrial policy. Some sectors got benefits like subsidies and import barriers. Some got subsidies to buy competitors, creating huge companies. The aim of the government was to induce then to invest. As expected, since competition was reduced in those sectors and it was more profitable to pay politicians to get subsidies than investing in productivity, no one invested in increasing productivity. No productivity increase, no growth.
The government tried to fix those mistakes last year, by hiring a Chicago grad called Joaquim Levy. As it turns out, he was powerless to do anything, since he didn't get political support from the Ruling Party, since the policies to fix the situation are unpopular. And this is the situation.
see amerifats that's why you need the 2nd
our government has less than 10% of approval and yet they know nothing will happen with them because they don't fear the people
i've said this several times, Brazil is a huge social experiment testing the limits of passiveness of the population
>>67548828
Privatizing now is easier, since most state owned companies are public companies. The state would just need to change the governance of the company and sell its shares in the market.
>>67544754
>Cuba
>Um país bom
Bros, just keep this thread going, cuz I'm having some hard laughs. I knew right-wingers were kinda lunatic, but not on suicide watch as I'm seeing here.
Useful information to gringos: our country is passing through economical and political crisis, but just like another latin country, this is our bad season. Situation here is shit (as usual), but we have been worse in the past (see 80's and part of 90's). We will get over it.
For now, we will to deal with the consequences of the stupidity of Dilma's administration, pixulecos, Lava-Jato, and our anecdotal political circus, the last doing it's best since redemocratization.
>>67544624
For sure, the economists are talking about 3/4 years of recession. And after that the recovering will be slow. But if the semi-parlaimentarism gets aproved... I'm not sure anymore, we could become a socialist country.
We could have a civil war, a military intervention, or things could stay the same. But everyone is tense, people are breaking up friendships, people are shouting at each other, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter has going crazy with people saying shit to each other non stop. It's a ideological war.
News is all about corruption, with fifty minutes long explaining the stuff that is happening.
Socialists are pushing socialism even harder. There are monarquists, libertarians, coversavitives and people who wants military intervention, all fighting all-over each other (Even thought everyone are fighting against communists at the same time, lol)
The so called "right-wing" by the socialists, the PSDB party, were thrown away from the protests, being called names because they never stood up as a opposition. The men from this video are the São Paulo government, Geraldo Alckmin, and the oppositor to Dilma Roussef, Aécio Neves, who in the last elections had about 40% of the votes.
Yeah, someone who had 40% of votes was thrown away from the prostests. People usually say that we are voting for someone who does less damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ghiHXGHc8
>>67533059
brasil nada acontece feijoada
>>67526448
>Get ultra cucked by the C EA A again
no thanks
>>67524823
>you can expect blood and death, that's for sure.
it's about fucking time /latam/ gets rid of our corrupted and selfish governing class.
PLS REVOLT
WE'LL FOLLOW YOU
>>67527325
>FTAA
>good
Globalism a shit. You should know better.
>>67547524
>>2018
>>?????
>>67551180
Você acha que o socialismo vai nos salvar? Vai se fuder, seu merda
BOLSONARO WHEN?
>>67553375
2018 bro
he will save us
>>67551275
>not voting for Aécio
Brazil, you had 1 job.
>>67527427
>Paleolithic people don't want to be Paleolithic anymore
>it's white man's fault
Go suck a cock, Grigori.
>>67548852
> I could understand better the Italians than the strange slang in Venezuela (mamaguevo, vaina, carajitos).
I guess it's a personal thing. I understand them alright because our communications are very context heavy, and generally feel at home with them
Perhaps you are one of those families that's very heritage heavy. Have a friend that has the same thing for brits-
>>67551275
not different from us, but no way you'll see civil war
>>67553575
I'm afraid that 2018 is too late. I'm starting to lose my patience with the retarded arguments of the commies and I'm pretty sure I'm far away from being the only one. Blood is about to get spilled here.
is funny how you all not realize that Brasil is not serious we have 170 millions animals thinking they are humans beings with rights and duties is hilarious at best
you know here a mixed is seen as white
>>67551180
so, what's you diagnosis? do you have a real chance of arresting them or it will be like lanata outing la morza fernandez, nothing happens but it will be felt in the next elections
>>67554614
>sudamerican white supremacists
>>67541616
>Russia
>UN sanctions
They are a fucking permanent security council member, they can veto all UN shit. Those are not UN sanctions, but individual sanctions from EU and USA.
>>67555161
Brazil is like Narcos but without Pablo dying or being sent to jail
>>67555161
If Dilma gets impeached then a lot of people will end up in jail. Otherwise, just nuke us, we failed as a civilization.
How to leave Brazil, irmãos?
Take me from this shit hole, I won't rape anyone
>>67555852
There is no escape, enjoy the ride
>>67523942
this is a pretty good image OP, well done
>>67555852
Aécio drunk is more intelligent than Dilma sober
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I1QfXyzlnU
>>67556258
If only my ancestors had stayed in Italy
>>67556847
Then how could you participate in the great conflict for the soul of Brazil?
>>67555772
>impeaching
>in a presidentialist republic
no way
>>67554304
>I'm starting to lose my patience
me too bro, me too
If Lula really escapes from Moro and Lava Jato I'm gonna lose my shit
![i_hug_that_feel[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/9sD6uG7.png "i_hug_that_feel[1].png")
>>67556847
I know the feel, white brother
>>67558557
We did it once
>>67555161
Yeah, we have a chance of arresting them, and this will only affect the country next elections (or later, who knows).
But the people getting prosecuted in Lava-Jato are just the tip of situation, and that's the problem with the whole investigation. If we arrest everyone, the Congress would be almost empty in the next day, and our big companies would be out of the market too.
This corruption network is more dated than average people knows.
