https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZAURJ1-lHc
I believe Cruz is on suicide watch. Pray for him.
>>61039115
Frankly, Trump rekt Cruz a few times. Cruz hit hard - but Trump is VERY good at responding. I think that Cruz was somewhat out of his league in trying to directly attack Trump - especially on the New York values thing. Trump invoked 9/11, and Cruz just looked like an asshole, honestly.
>>61039455
Does the 9/11 thing actually work in the US? It just screams false compassion to me.
He's done. He had Trump on the ropes and he went and shot himself in the foot. This is the moment that everyone will remember
>>61039642
>It just screams false compassion to me.
thousands of americans died on that day and also during the next years, so it's quite sad that you british say such a thing
>>61039115
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq2g6UhLbb0
>>61039881
I tend to think that politicians pretending to be compassionate is the standard rather than the exception.
>>61039115
BAM! Thats it ive been waiting for Cruz to fuck up and there it is handed that one to Trump
>>61039115
Bringing up Buckley was underrated. Trump verbally raping the "most intelligent candidate" with his big white cock.
>>61039642
It might work if Trump can carry NY. The last NY voted Republican was 1984 w/Reagan. It was also a slick way to corner Cruz into looking smug.
>>61040039
Politicians and bankers didn't died during 9-11
but the people went to war to really fight for USA and they were jewed in the back
>>61039642
It usually does now. Hillary used it pretty pathetically by somehow defending her connections to Wall Street by invoking 9/11. Trump, even though his answer was prepared (he mentioned 9/11 this morning), is a native New New Yorker and managed to come off as empathetic to the average voter. It might be the best use of 9/11 in Post Bush politics
>>61040667
Obongo is mocking 911 since 2008
Obongo said numerous times that "Islam is a religion of peace" even on the day after Boston bombing..
So Obongo and Hillary actually are making fun of americans for a very long time
what happened
keep it clear and concise
>>61040247
Totally this! You can tell the last 2 debates have sounded as though the establishment had their hack-artists in the audience...but then again, we are talking SC, don't expect them to catch on too quickly and even know of Buckley.
>>61039642
It does in ny. Slightly less for other states. But it is still a bit of a rallying cry.
When stumped bring up 9/11 and play victim. Christie knows what i'm talking about.
>>61040979
Guess what?
Fiorina and Jeb wants to give more money to kebabs...
And they actually get applauded when they say this
The only one who is pro-Iran there is Trump
>>61040914
Buckley would literally try and have Trump assassinated
>>61039642
Trump was actually in New York during 9/11 and saw it firsthand so it comes off a bit more genuine from him than when Hillary tries it. Here's his interview on 9/11, he's genuinely pretty shaken up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoYXihwcp8c
Fucking destroyed
>>61039115
Cruz is such a fake asshole. kike Glad he got owned by Trump up there.
>>61041287
sorry on the 13th, but he's still pretty upset.
>>61039455
yeah like I think donald is hilarious and all but he does some ass pulls.
I guess that's how it goes though, that's how you play the game
god the 9/11 and clapping was the most american thing i've seen in a long time
>>61039642
The 9/11 thing hasn't really worked in the public in the last several years, but it still remains a taboo to make fun of or belittle the event in any way because people in this country love nothing more than to be professionally outraged victims.
That being said, Trump's 9/11 comment was the first non-pandering take on it I've heard in the last decade. The way he described the smell of death in the air and the city's composure towards the event actually sounds like it comes from a real, emotional place and not just some political spew. And his take on how the city handled it during that time is, as much as I hate to say it, pretty true. I despise New York, but their one shining moment was during that time and they were the only one's to truly hold it together with dignity while every other place in the country lost their collective shit.
>>61039115
the 9/11 card is usually cringe worthy, but Trump played it expertly
>Bringing up 9/11 after Cruz insults NY
DAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMM
This guy is fucking sharp man, I knew it since I saw his first press conference.
>>61040979
No, it actually is rarely that effective. Trump just pulled the 9/11 card off masterfully, while cruz now has a bipartisan hatred coming from New yorkers. My facebook just lit up like a christmas tree condemning cruz. N
>>61039115
Cruz stumped himself when he took a shit on New York. It's ogre.
>>61041356
Cruz is a snake. My dad's friend went to Princeton with him and he ratted on some guys having an illegal card game after he lost his money. No kidding.
>>61041756
Because he played it from the heart. It wasn't a cynical exhibition. And he was right.
>>61041837
>>61041967
Cruz is counting on the idea that the rest of the US hates New York.
>>61039115
Its over. Trump just stump Cruz so hard.
Cruz is so full of shit. Him attacking Trump for living in New York is no different from when Obama attacked rural Americans for clinging to guns and religion, which he even brought up during this debate.
>>61039115
Oh shit Cruz was DESTROYED
>>61042324
NY on 9/11 was the personification of American values. Fuck immigrants Rick the poor, putting your life on the line to save someone else when you know damn well you probably won't be making it out. That's fucking America and that Canadian cunt can fuck himself for speaking award against them
>>61040039
Trump is from NY, that's his city it happened in.
>>61039115
Yeah, this was bad.
Cruz got some hard hits on Trump, but Trump knocked out Cruz.
Maybe I'm biased because I live in NY, but Trump was dead on about 9/11 and the way the whole world felt about us then.
If I was Trump I would have taken it a step further, but I assume he spared Cruz a knife in the heart, by saying when the towers were hit, that it wasn't just New Yorkers that were running out of there, but New Yorkers that ran in to their deaths just to try and save people, New Yorkers that wanted to go home to their families that night.
Really really bad move for Cruz.
>>61039115
This is exactly why Cruz cannot beat Hillary. Soundbytes like this about abortion and gay marriage would get him steamrolled by the liberal media and the outrage industry.
>>61042324
New York City is iconic, but there's a whole state out there besides it. NYC liberalism is no reason to crap all over the entire thing, and absolutely deny himself the electoral votes that would have come from there.
Trump literally just clenched a REAL CHANCE at NY flipping red for the first time since Reagan.
>>61039881
BTFO just like Cruz.
>the city of britcucks on suicide watch
>>61040885
Cruz: trump is a New Yorker and has New York values. New Yorkers are liberal and don't have the same values that trump pretends to have
Trump then gave a powerful response on the resolve and values New Yorkers showed when dealing with 9/11
He didn't sound preachy at all, and the. Cruz looked like a smug asshole
>>61043311
>but there's a whole state out there besides it.
rest of the state should rename itself to Albany instead of leeching off the success of the city.
>>61039115
were the fuck can i watch it there is no live stream links working
>mfw republitards thought that it was safe to once again attack new york for being liberal
Think again faggots. Stick to Hollywood.
>>61040881
this
>>61043741
And then they fucking wonder why they lose elections. Cruz is an establishment shill.
>GET BTFO
>CLAP IN AGREEMENT
>>61041202
In the 1980's...you are probably correct, or atleast denounce Trump at some point.But today, Trump boldly stood alone in the beginning of this campaign to embrace the platform of building a southern border wall, and I think for that alone, Buckley would give him praise.
>>61040881
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygTbwGrTELc
Bush did it too. Politicians all do this shit. Trump does not and that is why I respect him.
>>61041967
>Cruz stumped himself when he took a shit on New York. It's ogre.
this
the god emperor ascends
>>61044098
He had to, in order to draw attention from the egg on his face.
>>61039642
Well calling a entire state out as a bunch of useless pricks doesn't work so well when that state quickly recovered from a terrorist attack.
>>61039115
>muh six million
>>61039642
>Does the 9/11 thing actually work in the US?
when someone actually means it, yes. Although the cynicism of kids around 18 who dont remember it think its nothing but a le funny meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwrX-LN9-L0
>>61044547
Not just that, but people from all around the country came here after the attacks to try and help.
Trump just played this so perfectly that he not only rekt Cruz, but now I seriously strongly believe Trump can take NY in the general.
The most heartfelt public words about 9/11 by a real New Yorker since who knows when, and it landed better than anything else all night.
>>61041743
I wish more comments on pol were this well written
>>61039455
Trump got rekt on the birther thing m8
>people on that stage actually thought they could beat trump on CHYNA business relations
The NY slam was ill advised , what was he thinking?
the cruz missile self detonated tonight, folks
>>61045180
Nothing Trump said was wrong. He is absolutely correct that Hillary/CommieSanders will go after his legitimacy if Cruz is the nominate. Why wouldn't they? It's a free "Attack Cruz" card.
Trump specifically said he wants Cruz to get an AUTHORIZED approval of him running for president. That's it.
>>61045425
He got Trump to admit that he changed his stance only because Cruz became a threat.
>muh 9/11
>muh 6 million
>muh new york
Fuck off trump
>>61039642
It works if you're being sincere. Usually it's just a refrain used by scummy politicians, but Trump was there, and is a new yorker to the bone.
Holy shit the host of the debate Fox News is headquartered in New York City and this is the shit he says.
>>61045180
Trump was right on the point that even if there was a small chance that he isn't a naturalized citizen, then the democrats would go after him on it, especially since there are professionals who agree with Trump.
>>61045542
So, people don''t have the right to change their minds then? I was a liberal once who thought Islam was a religion of peace. I guess I'm wasn't suppose to change my mind about that, even after the insurmountable evidence against it?
>>61045652
A Canadian supporting another Canadian cant say im surprised
>>61045336
I guess he forget about NINE ELEVEN
>>61045652
Canadian cuck, the thing is that thousands of americans have died
And american money was sent to kebabs for like 10 years
So I guess americans are VERY upset.
And in 2008 the liberals eleceted a Muslim President..
>>61045954
>9
>...
>.....
>.......
ELEVEN!!!!11111!!!1111
>>61045777
If he was changing his mind because new evidence came up, suggesting Cruz was very very unlikely to be considered a natural-born citizen, that would be one thing. But that's not what happened. The reason he changed his view was because he needed some bullshit reason to attack Cruz. It makes him seem less authentic and as if the positions he takes are only taken for calculated, strategic reasons.
>>61046146
NINE
>>61045652
Two planes crashes
-> Kills thousands of people
America go to war
-> America is betrayed by jewish Bush
America elect a Muslim communist.
It's a miracle USA is still alive..
>>61046022
go eat a banana monkey.
Did anyone in the debate mention Ted Cruz getting caught in a major scandal today?
If not then wait til Trump hears of this boys.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/us/politics/ted-cruz-wall-street-loan-senate-bid-2012.html
Trump looked like a fool tonight. He got too strong too early and he's on his way out. He has no more tricks up his sleeve, which is a shame. I assumed that a billionaire would've been smarter than to reveal his hand so early, but he dug his own grave.
RIP in piss, Trump. You had a good run.
>>61046244
>61046244
Fucking liberals
Go to bed. It's time to kiss your kebab mother
>>61046308
This desu senpai.
>>61046252
>Did anyone in the debate mention Ted Cruz getting caught in a major scandal today?
I believe that was the first question they asked Cruz.
>>61046308
fuckin this
so fucking much
how do yall not see it?
cruz dominated that debate
with rubio lying
and
trump getting stumped a few times and booed
>>61046502
You'll have to leave
Seriously.
>>61039642
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDOrzF7B2Kg
Trump channeled this when he made his response.
>>61039642
I can tell you its a big fucking deals to New Yorkers man.
Cruz was an asshole.
>>61041287
this should be spread. homie was there prob even before bush
>>61046586
sorry niggers, this meme wont stick, tomorrow his numbers will be higher than today, no matter how many forums you go on and try this crap
>niggers like you got BTFO
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/01/trumps-questionable-political-history
Looks like Trump stumped himself to be honest
>>61046308
Agreed! Trump is begining to fall. He peaked several weeks ago. Very sad!
>>61043741
It wasn't necessarily that he attacked us on being liberal, but it sounded like he was calling our integrity in general into question, and quite a few new yorkers are PISSED. Hell, i juat had a liberal friend of mine comment that "trump is still a xenophobic joke, but you don't mess with nyc". Which is about as close to an endorcement as i have ever heard from her.
>>61039115
>Princeton
>Harvard
>Senator
>Hall of Fame debater Princeton
>fuck them NY'ers
>muh 9/11
How could Cruz not of seen this?! Fucking Trump is from New York, was their when the Towers went down, and lives in New York. Damn, he got BTFO and then Rubio jumped on his ass further...holy shit.
>>61039642
Not the true compassion of islam, ahmed?
Fuck you.
>>61039642
We southerners hate yankees but most love America (even though we're all Confederates) and 9/11 is a big rallying cry because fuck sandniggers and USA USA
>New Yorkers love abortion, prostitutes and debauchery
>but muh 9/11
>clap clap clap
God, American politics are annoying.
>>61039642
>>61039881
>>61041743
I have to say, I thought it was kind of phony. Criticizing New York values has NOTHING to do with how the city reacted on 9/11. I love NYC, but maybe I don't get it because I'm not a New Yorker.
When he describes the events he sounds genuine, but saying that Cruz was insulting....I don't know....
Still hate Cruz and love Trump tho
>>61047158
I'm quite sure Trump has called in some favors from the Clintons over the years given his donations to their Foundation. As as international businessman, it makes sense for him to donate to them, since they're one of the most powerful political families in the world. Why do you think he's been so adamant about corporate donors making puppets out of candidates? He used to be a puppeteer up until a few months ago.
>>61039642
Depends on how you use it
Trump used it masterfully here.
>>61047406
>was their
How can people like you be allowed to vote? It's no wonder you're voting for Trump. You're a fucking retard.
>>61039115
umm.. trump completely dodged the question. he didn't clarify that his values weren't "new yorker" all he said was "that was insulting and i was there in 911"
>>61047743
this
>>61045652
Fuck off, Cruz
>>61039642
It works for Trump because he's synonymous with New York.
If you aren't a born and bred New Yorker it wouldn't work and would be cringe tier.
>>61047943
Really? What is considered a non masterful use? What Cruz said had literally NOTHING to do with 9/11 yet he still roped it in. First time I've ever been disappointed in Trump.
Also, Cruz completely stumped him on the brother thing, I guess that's the problem when your countries laws were written with the understanding that it might all go to shit in a couple of years anyway.
>>61045954
Never forget
>>61048029
>>61039642
It works coming from someone like Trump is a native NYC-er and was in Lower Manhattan on 9/11.
It comes over as false when Gov. Krispy Kreme salivates over how he watched it on TV/across the bay and polished his new "Federal overreach" badge.
>>61048042
He went straight for the throat on the point.
New York values for Trump means resilience in the face of adversity, everybody coming out to do their own part, and picking up the pieces and rebuilding bigger and better than it was before.
Just like he's going to do with America.
This is when he destroyed.
Trump starts slow, and finished great.
CNN is loving him now.
Fuck, you are almost doing it freedom friends.
MAGA!
MAGA!
>>61048149
here is how you don't use it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQrwKr_b4Lg
Cruz insulted a whole state, with blanket generalities, trump responded in kind.
i.e they both both used bullshit attacks.
only difference trump played his hand better.
>>61039115
You know, on a lot of things, Trump tends to be bombastic, so its hard to tell when he's really offended.
But in this instance, the way he looked when Cruz was speaking, and how he delivered his response, I think he was genuinely deeply offended at those statements.
>>61039642
>>61040039
nigger he was there and helped rebuild the place
he was born and raised in that city
stop being retarded
>>61048310
>>61048371
It clearly wasn't sincere though, Cruz mentioned NY values, then Trump started whining about muh 911 gorillion Americans, if this is what passes for clever in American politics I'm glad I'm not a yank.
>>61048149
An attack on New York for their values goes right back to 9/11 because that showcases our real values right there.
A non masterful use was like when Hillary Clinton brought it up in the Dem debates to deflect from how she sucks the dick of the financial sector for quarters
Trump pulled it off because he never talked about 9/11 until someone made a direct attack on the core values of the state, which brings it into play.
It was perfect.
>>61048371
bullshit. the only reason he brought up 911 was to pander to you dumbfucks that would eat it up. everyone knows new yorkers are mostly liberal. yes there are a few conservatives but overall they are liberal.
>>61043311
this man.
It would be incredible to see NY turn red for this election cycle.
>>61048605
Ted please, just drop it, it's not doing you any good.
>>61048605
Cruz shill detected.
>>61048430
No, Cruz was talking about the duplicity of Trump, how many years ago he claimed he was pro abortion, bro "New York Values", meaning liberal shit, then recently he turned conservative to run for the Republicans, a perfectly valid argument.
Then Trump started crying like a baby about muh 3 trillion and America clapped as it always does.
>>61039115
CRUZ BLOWN the FUCK OUT
Just wait until the next "can't stump the trump video comes out" this is the nuke that just destroyed cruz's campaign.
>>61048612
CRUZ GOT BTFO
all you faggots buying into his pandering, any city in the US would have done the same thing if they were attacked by "terrorists". that's not new yorker values, that's american values. go fuck yourselves.
>>61048149
He was mentioning the values of New Yorkers and came off very condescending in front of two people who are both considered themselves rather conservative. And then he specifically says to the woman speaking from New York "well you're from new york so you might not," which is implying that people from New York don't know any values.
Trump mentions 9/11 and how New York was one of the few states that kept its cool and rebuilt ground zero from all the rubble and death and devastation, which shows its strength and values there. It does not quite address how Trump himself had more liberal stances when he was younger but it does make Cruz look like a jackass for smugly generalizing the people from NY and essentially saying they're immoral liberal shitheads. It was also a statement that seemed sincere from Trump due to Trump being one of the people who actually went to ground zero immediately after the attack and got people to clean up and rebuild.
>>61048310
Spoken like someone who isn't from the area. NJ here. Its closer than "across the bay" (which is actually a river. Many people in North Jersey work in the city. I remember after it happened the kids in my school who lost their parents. People at the deli down the street that you didn't see anymore. There are places in NJ like Hoboken and Jersey City where you can be in Manhattan quicker than most places in NYC. I could see the smoke from my house after it happened, and the lights after they installed them. NJ has every right to talk about it.
He doesn't though. Christie is an asshole and everyone here hates him. He is totally disingenuous, NJ has terrible gun laws no matter what he tries to say to the contrary, our taxes are through the roof, and we're hemorrhaging population. Fuck Chris Christie. I've met the man and I dislike him about as much as I've disliked anyone.
Ted Cruz is finished. Bet he will be one of the first people Trump deports when he becomes president.
>>61048650
If that happened the election would literally be over.
>>61048605
Where was Cruz during 9/11?
Probably back home fucking a moose and loading up on maple syrup.
>>61048692
>>61048711
i don't care for any of these political theater actors. have fun falling for the same shit time and time again. i'm guess you guys are young and havent experiences constant lying and deception from politicians who clearly give zero fucks about you.
>>61047086
He probably saw the smoke and fire from his fucking office.
>>61039115
Fucking rekt
He had no choice but to clap at his own downfall
>>61039115
wow cruz is his bitch now
>>61048713
Cruz could have attacked Trump directly without smearing an entire state in the process.
>>61048825
probably sucking off a zionist. i don't know.
nyc baby
TRUMP HEIL
man ted is so slimey, guy cant be trusted... even yeb has more credibility and trust than this ted guy.
so fake ted
>>61046657
That was a powerful video. Thank you for sharing.
>>61048878
> Cruz: Ah shit man...well played GG.
> *Cruz proceeds to hand himself*
>>61048504
No, he wasn't whining, he was speaking to the fact that a piece of shit like Cruz is slamming his "New York values" as though they're bad things, and he brought up 9/11 (granted, definitely some pandering going on there, but he was actually there) to illustrate the point that for him, New York values at the time meant the city dealing with terrible things but still doing what needed to be done and everybody came together. He's saying New York values are a good thing to have.
>>61039115
Trump is going easy on Cruz for some reason. Usually he goes straight into name calling.
>>61048932
Its because hes one of yours.
>>61041287
This is the EXACT same attitude he had when he was talking about 9/11 tonight. The man is incredible.
>>61048747
>It does not quite address how Trump himself had more liberal stances when he was younger
But this is the thing, Trump was asked why he had a comple te 180° on his political views and rather than answer the question he went into muh gorillion, this was Israel levels of sliding.
>>61039642
>the most pivotal event so far in the 21st century that caused death not only in NYC but worldwide
>false compassion
>>61048932
Ted is Hillary Clinton with a smaller penis.
>>61048890
He wasn't smearing the state, he just said it had liberal values like being pro abortion, something you don't want for a Republican candidate, rather than answer why Trump had liberal views when he was younger and what caused the sudden change he went full Jew and started crying about muh steel beams.
MADISON SQUARE GARDEN
1939
>>61039115
this was Cruz's first time attacking Trump, and you could tell he was pretty confident because he's such a slick debater
sure, Trump can stump helpless Yeb, but surely not the Cruz Missile, r-right?
and then the great stumping commences
>>61049141
>>61048973
Yes but he changed the meaning of what Cruz said.
Cruz said he didn't think Trump was right for president due to his liberal NY values, liberal meaning anti gun pro abortion etcetera.
Then Trump took his statement and changed it to make Cruz an Al Qaeda supporting Muslim that celebrates 9/11 annually.
>>61041287
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoYXihwcp8c
this video is incredible. This is a real American that i can respect.
>>61048713
>No, Cruz was talking about the duplicity of Trump, how many years ago he claimed he was pro abortion, bro "New York Values", meaning liberal shit, then recently he turned conservative to run for the Republicans, a perfectly valid argument.
true but the average American watching the debate doesn't know that, but what they do notice was how devise his statements were.
Cruz fucked up.
>Then Trump started crying like a baby about muh 3 trillion and America clapped as it always does.
no he started talking about the values NYers hold, and what better way to do that than to bring up 9/11, and how they rebuild their city?
itt:
https://youtu.be/Rm3d43HLyTI?t=1m31s
>>61049197
just like cruz changed what trump meant about his "birther" comments
it's a debate asshole
>>61049081
Yes, he was smearing the state. There was zero reason to say "New York" over and over again if he just wanted to attack Trump. He was attacking the entire state. If he didn't want it to come off that way, he shouldn't have said "New York" over and over again. Are you implying he was possessed by a demon that was speaking "New York" over and over again even though he wanted to say "Donald Trump" instead?
>>61049197
Then maybe Cruz should have just called Trump's values liberal instead of throwing a blanket over the entire thing and pissing a lot of New Yorkers off.
Cruz would have won that exchange if he didn't clap like a beta when Trump brought up 9/11.
>>61039642
He attacked NYC for no reason.
If you bring 9/11 up out of the blue then yeah you're an asshole, but Cruz was just generically bashing NYC over "values" nothing showed better values than how NYC reacted to 9/11. They didn't riot or fight, they came together and helped each other, the exact opposite of New Orleans.
>>61049197
>>61049147
This is why.
>>61041287
>implying Trump didn't understand every German word he said
>>61039642
It works when someone like Trump brings it up who was born, raised and was in NY when 9/11 happened. I highly doubt it's false compassion from him because Trump pretty much witnessed the attacks and mayhem first hand. His opinion holds a lot more weight than if someone else in some other part of the country tried to pull the 9/11 card. Then it would seem like false compassion.
>>61049197
Keep spinning. You still haven't explained why the words "New York" kept coming out of his mouth if he meant "Donald Trump". He smeared the entire state, was made a fool, and now you're trying to pretend that New York doesn't mean New York. He made an terrible error and looked like a fool for it, just like you look like a fool trying to get anyone to believe he didn't mean "New York" when he said "New York" over and over and over again.
>>61049228
Yes but he completely changed what Cruz meant, Cruz was talking about the political ideologies of the people of NYC, pro abortion, anti gun, socialised healthcare, etcetera, it wasn't an attack on NY, it was an argument against their stance, he even invoked the "US boys down south in hazzard county know how shit aughta be run", he never meant the state was full of bad people, just people who's political views were not the same as the republican party.
And whatever the case, whoever is candidate the dems will win NY, so he's right.
>>61049316
Dude I'm not trying to turn this into a "which disaster was worse" pissing match but New Orleans was probably the biggest clusterfuck in the history of clusterfucks, you can't really blame them for turning to shit almost immediately when their entire region was completely underwater and 3rd world shithole before then
>>61039642
you guys wouldnt understand, we dont want to be a caliphate
Cruz fucked up when the moderator said "I'm from New York" and then insulted her. I doubt she's a liberal, yet he still acted holier than thou. I'm so erect from all the Cruz Cucks in damage control right now.
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/687864180276236288
Cruz went through all of that trouble to prove he's actually an American, and then that happened.
Cucks gonna cuck.
>>61049491
Are you not from England? Because you sure don't understand English. It was about NY but wasn't about NY? Did you fail out of first grade debate? Do you have any point other than that? If he meant "Donald Trump" why did he keep saying "New York"? Why can't you answer such a simple question?
>>61042120
>playing cards with a nose like that
>ever
they deserved it.
>>61048998
There were two thing Cruz did though:
1. Insult New Yorkers as a whole with 2 of them being on stage - one being the face of New York.
2. Question the flipflopping in values said face of New York has had.
Trump used his time to address the first one for the obvious reason of being personally offended. The way he answered him put him into an amazing light too and will probably fuck Cruz over in the general election if not the primary.
I'll mention what I said in another thread too:
>And then if Trump is actually asked about the underlying question in Cruz's statement, he'd play it off the same way he did when asked about his past great relationship with the Clintons - "My job was to be a world-class businessman, you can't be so conservative when dealing with all kinds of different people with different beliefs and values. You just can't."
>>61049628
Jesus Christ fåm calm down.
He was attacking the liberal ideology Trump used to hold, saying it was a byproduct of NY. Look at the fucking electoral map, NY has been democrat since Regan.
>>61049491
It does not matter what Cruz was factually talking about. His attitude towards the moderator was evidence of the disdain he actually has for New Yorkers. Had he kept it reserved for some posh, Manhattanite elite that Trump belongs to... okay that's fine. But he attacked the entire city, if not the entire state.
Either way, he insulted the NYPD and FDNY by extension. That was a massive fuck up, and Trump made him pay for it in full.
>>61046308
Trump has never performed very well in the debates.
>>61044747
Never seen that before and I consider myself to be pretty desensitized but fuck, I cried.
>>61041287
>trump admits jet fuel can melt steel beams
dropped
>>61039455
Its amazing to see how Trump even shuts down elite debaters like Cruze. And Trump's never done this before while Cruze has been a career politician his whole life. Its really amazing to be honest. Speaks volumes about just how tough and smart Trump himself is.
>>61049836
This.
No new york votes for cruz. Game over man. Game over
>>61048998
The questions was originally directed at Ted Cruz over his statement of Trump representing "New York values". Trump could have rebuked the statement, plainly stating his beliefs on abortion, gay marriage, and other liberal ideologies on the stage, alienating either liberal, moderate, or conservative voters with his answers. The subtle message would stick with the viewer for the debate, and be used for any soundbite for future adds, indicating he flip-flopped on his views, or doesn't have conservative values.
The response he gave completely avoids any issue with alienating Americans by choosing a point in time when patriotism, from both sides of the spectrum, was at an all-time high. He gave a soundbite the media will viciously consume and disperse to show the absolute "gall" of the Republican candidate, while pumping Trump up to New York voters. Not only that, but it sounded, and may have even slightly have been genuine, and that speaks volumes, especially to the undecided voter.
As many in this thread have stated, and you yourself have pointed out, it did not address Cruz' main critique, but rather than a dodge, it was a very successful parry, striking nearly any undecided/independent voter from thinking about Cruz for the time being, just before the important Caucuses. Whether this was intended, I have no way of knowing, but it came across well, and he came out on top.
>>61049491
>Yes but he completely changed what Cruz meant,
here is what Cruz meant:
NY is a liberal shit hole, and the residents suck.
you can then extrapolate that to every Democrat state, he is running to be president of the whole fucking country, not just the red states.
>>61049836
He certainly did not attack the entire state, he was specifically attacking NYC for being a pro abortion anti gun, soda banning shithole that it is, hell even that "conductor we have a problem" video was on a New York subway, that is what New York is, it's essentially Europe in America.
Imagine how the situation would play out had Trump been from California and he said the same thing? "Oh, I was there during an earthquake you awful, awful man, californian4lyfe"
It was pathetic of Trump to resort to such low hanging fruit.
>>61039642
ahmed pls
It's completely irrelevant whether or not bringing up 9/11 is a cheap political maneuver. It was absolutely the perfect time to bring it up in response to Cruz saying New Yorkers have corrupt values. The whole country was admiring New York back then, and Trump mentioning it makes the audience remember. The fact that he actually did help clean up ground zero is what makes it perfect.
>>61039642
Almost always yes, difference is Trump has a little more of a personal connection with the incident and the city as he had been building in it and living in it for decades. I doubt the compassion was false but 9/11 has been a far too overplayed hand in American politics.
>>61050015
But whatever the case NY is going to be democrat, so it doesn't matter that he isolates them because there is no possible way they could win there.
>>61049608
He knew that going up against Trump is do or die, but at this point the die was cast so he had to try.
He did a good job up until the New York thing, but that cast everything else out the window, because Trump got a knockout out of it.
>>61041287
respect just went up for this man 100x
>>61049980
I agree with most of what you're saying but as a British person who was born in 1996 9/11 has almost no effect on me emotionally so to me it seemed like pure fucking grease.
>>61041287
spread this shit
>>61049980
It also make Ted Cruz look like a snake. Cruz will not recover and I doubt Trump will even select him as his VP now.
>>61050125
>>61050040
>>61049509
Yeah I get it, it might have been worse because of the flooding.
But still it's not like there was gang rape at ground zero or something like at the Superdome.
>>61050125
that might be true, but you need independents to win, and divisive comments like that are not going to win them over.
>>61050362
pls wok no mock
>>61050040
Actually, it wasn't. A Californian earthquake does not pack the rhetorical punch of 9/11. A hundred California earthquakes don't. Donald Trump is a bona fide New Yorker,(one of the most prominent ones at that) and you clearly don't understand what it means to him or the average American when he brings up 9/11. Is it overused? Yes, absolutely. But in this case it was actually employed appropriately, because their character and their culture was under attack from someone whose very American-ness was just under scrutiny. Add to that the imagery he used(which was decent, a rarity for invoking that meme) and you have a knockout punch.
>>61050350
He just said on an interview no he wouldn't pick him
>>61050424
How was saying NYC is liberal divisive? It is literally indisputable, it's been blue for decades and has unconstitutional European gun laws.
>>61039115
So what happened to their broship?
Did Cruz blow his opportunity for a vp under Trump?
There goes a possible 16 years of good leadership
>>61046308
back to reddit faggot
>>61050518
>How was saying NYC is liberal divisive
you should watch the clip again.
>>61049197
>>61049477
What Cruz doesn't realize is that he's neither talking to nor is he going to convince Texans. Texans are already convinced that New York is shit. He blew it because he forgot his audience.
Oh and also, as a Texan, fuck Ted Cruz.
>>61050497
Look, that shit would never fly in Britain is all I'm saying. If Farage said "I was there on 7/7" or "Who remembers Rotherham?!" It'd be looked at as the gimmicky mass appeal shit that it is.
I'm not debating whether or not it was used effectively, it clearly was, but he pulled it out like a rabbit out of a hat, it was complete bullshit, saying NY is liberal has nothing to do with 9/11.
>>61048504
I'm glad you're not a yank either, Mohamed. We don't fucking want you.
>>61050040
He attacked the people and the values, not politics. 9/11 addressed both of those points succinctly. If he did attack the politics, Trump would just respond "Yeah, I hate it too." He had absolutely nothing going for him with that attack.
DAMN Trump fucking annihilated him there
That's a gifted mooting champion from Harvard Law School that got TRUMPED
>>61048384
what is maga?
>>61050673
>that shit would never fly in Britain
Neither does this.
>>61050672
The only people assblasted at this remark are New Yorkers, which doesn't matter because NY will never vote rep, the question is would this convince Floridians? The answer is of course it will, everyone knows NYC is the most liberal place in America so any other state is natural more conservative and dislikes NYC for being liberal.
I'm sorry but Trumps remarks are usually clever, quick or witty, this time it was just muh 911 gorillion.
>>61043285
Exactly. The same people pushing Cruz thought Palin was a master orator though, so they won't listen.
>>61050673
Fuck your country
>>61039115
are you guys fucking kidding me, cruz is basically calling out jews without specifically naming them
>>61050820
>>61050714
But he was attacking the ideology, he even clarified what he meant by NY values, pro abortion, he just meant NY is a democrat shit hole.
>>61050820
Top fucking kek.
>>61047825
The reactions of the NYCers after 9/11 show that their values are positive, supportive, and hardworking in the face of terror.
Cruz really screwed himself big time I think. He was doing so well and then blew it.
>>61050820
Hot damn, fucking #rekt
>>61046330
>pls treat me like a white ameri-kun
>>61039642
While we non liberal northerners despise them, we hate niggers, sand niggers, gooks, and wetbacks even more.
Cruz is a wetback who decided to ay carumba on America when he's a fucking foreigner. His campaign is done.
>mfw the Cruz maymay is finally over
>>61050272
It's alright by me. I personally don't expect you guys over there to hold it to the same degree.
I grew up on Long Island from 91 onward, and my Dad worked in the city. When I heard the news that the towers were hit, everything froze for a while. I'm thankful every day that he was alright, but I knew friends who lost their relatives, be it businessmen or firefighters in the collapse, and it really strikes a chord with me.
I don't march around demanding that this be seen as a sacrosanct event, neither should it be, but it was a real wake-up call for Americans. It shook us out of the peaceful mindsets of invisible wars being fought in unknown lands of the late 80's and 90's and brought the conflict crashing onto our doorstep in such an abrupt and poignant way that it shook the entire country.
What happened on the stage could have been a milking/pure fucking grease, but it meant more to Americans, and especially New Yorkers. I'm not expecting you to understand that, but I'm just letting you in on some perspective. No one is going to be talking about how Trump "Dodged the real question" tomorrow morning, I can tell you that much.
>>61039115
Anyone notice that twitch in Trump's shoulders? That was scary. He actually got angry.
>>61050820
politico in DC here.
Cruz is running the most cynical campaign in American history. Litterally playing off the ignorance of the right.
to insult the city of New York is dumb and smacks of regionalism. Will love the lulz if Trump wins Iowa.
You're running to be the President of the UNITES STATES. Not just the people who agree with you.
>>61048766
His mother is an American Citizen, therefore Cruz is safe.
We cannot subscribe to stupidity; we must seek the truth and we must torch the world in that light.
>>61051094
And the fact that it's such a major event that' so profound is exactly why you should stop letting politicians use it as a checkmate, it's disrespectful to the victims.
>>61048430
But what Paul was saying is actually true and not just some right wing edgy talking point.
Bin Laden attacked us because of our involvement in the middle east, and the worst kinds of stuff. Over throwing government, corruption of politics, subversion of their culture. The serious things that anyone would use as a reason to attack someone.
>>61050272
>9/11 has almost no effect on me emotionally so to me it seemed like pure fucking grease.
Exactly. You are neither American or a New Yorker. You can't ever understand how 9/11 feels to us. Just like at the same time we can't ever understand why you guys are so opposed to bacon.
>>61048747
>It does not quite address how Trump himself had more liberal stances when he was younger but it does make Cruz
its smart, cruz knows and the republicans wont win NY so its ok to bash them, especially if it gives you votes in the south
>>61039642
People still to this day are dying as a direct result of 9/11. We watched people holding hands and then throwing themselves out of windows. Later we heard audio of the first responders as they did their best to get to people in the upper floors, only to be killed as the building fell. Yes, the 9/11 card works.
>>61050673
9/11 is very different from 7/7. Many times more people died, and the psychological impact of the WTC collapse was much more visible and visceral than your tunnels being damaged or even destroyed. Also, U.S. patriotism is different from UK patriotism. Our leftist party may feel otherwise, but GOP voters are very proud of our country, and will proudly fly even regional flags.(even if the left calls us racist)
>>61051266
Exactly. Between this and Trump's comment I'm beginning the think the entire American political system is based around saying sound bite quotes rather than actually raising important points.
>>61050272
>I agree with most of what you're saying but as a British person
did you convert to islam yet
TRUMP/CARSON TICKET CONFIRMED
>>61047406
Trump is clearly next level when it comes to verbal judo. The guy is a fucking grand master.
Holy fuck trump absolutely blew cruz the fuck out.
The 9/11 card is so powerful
>>61050821
Not for nothing, but Florida is filled with nothing but retired Firefighters and Cops from NY.
So in this case, it helps out down there too.
>>61051266
This.
>>61051415
>The 9/11 card is so powerful
Only when not forced and when it's actually genuine. Which Trump nailed tonight. As genuine as it gets.
>>61039642
>being this retarded
>>61043198
I don't think you're too far off with how all Americans feel about NY regarding 9/11. I was on the west coast and only 5 years old when it happened. Still that day is burned into my brain and hearing all of the stories of the brave New Yorkers. Not just the firefighters, but regular civilians storming the buildings to help people escape. You don't insult any of our states, especially not one with so much history that we all feel so closely connect to. I think what Cruz was doing though, was making a passive aggressive retort to when Trump said in a recent rally: "Not too many protestants come out of Cuba, i'm just saying." when he was giving a speech to Iowa evangelicals. Thing is, not enough people knew about that so it landed flat. I have no idea how he thought that was a good idea.
>>61051365
>implying British politics aren't the same
Your 9/11 is being racist though.
>>61051268
>>61051361
But surely the fact it's so poignant should be the very reason you don't politicise it? When Trump puts on the crocodile tears and waxes lyrical about it Cruz even claps, because he knows that's the checkmate, the first person to say "9/11" wins.
>>61048746
Right. Like hurricane katrina showed us
>>61051236
Stop being a dick kid. You don't have the faintest idea what 9/11 represents so thinking your opinion matters in said subject is quite childish in your part.
>trump gets ticket
>yfw red New York
>>61051390
I'm trying to have a discussion here, sir, why don't you take your wife to Tyrone's for a good time, come back here and see if you can have a go too.
>>61051206
Actually, it's looking like his mother was a voting Canadian citizen when he was a child, which makes her ineligible for US citizenship. In the US you aren't allowed dual-citizenship.
>>61051415
He played it so well. No doubt it was sincere also. I didn't sense satisfaction in his voice as he played it, I think he was completely genuine
>>61048978
>This is a movement
Think about what Cruz was before Trump came along
He was the liberals Hitler
Trump is leaving Cruz alive to make sure he can be used against the left
>>61051555
I would cum buckets.
>>61051266
Paul was using facts and substance, Rudy then not knowing wtf to say used the 9/11 card.
Ted was neither using facts nor substance, just blanket generalities, so Trump responded in kind, and it worked
>>61039115
Fucking retards
9/11 was an inside job
Jet fuel can't melt steel beams
>>61051531
I never claimed to, Infact I'd say the fact I'm not emotionally biased in this allows me to see it for the pandering crap it was.
>>61049147
Trump is a genius. I've been kind of disappointed with his debate strategies but he has quickly learned how to bury opponents in debates. Note: Cruz is somekind of National debate champion. Trump was calm and right to the point this debate. Much more presidential than before
Fucking liberals are still considering Jewish Sanders or Jewllery Clinton
>>61051663
Wrong.
Trump's shoulders twitched. He was hiding genuine anger. You seem to think being unemotional makes you a better judge of emotion, which is wrong.
>>61051555
Guiliani is his close friend. Trump is beloved in NY. I don't see why not
