OLD THREAD: >>59959171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbGdMKpHDDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7M0mG6HUyk
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/
/pol/ tl;dr:
>family owns lands since the 1870s
>fed has wanted your land for years to turn into a wildlife reservoir (i.e. make money)
>never sell to them regardless of their constant jewry
>2001, routine bush fire on property
>tell fire department beforehand, accidentally 100 acres of federal land, put it out yourselves
>2006, lightning storm starts bush fire on your property
>start backfire to push it away from your private property
>cops show up next day and press charges , go to court
>get tried and convicted, sentenced to a year in jail
>go to prison for roughly one year
>get let out, government says you've served your time
>2011, feds want your land again, still won't sell
>feds issue re sentencing convicting you of domestic terrorism
>minimum of 5 more years in federal prison
>now convicted of terrorism and must serve 5 more years in prison
>150 men and women strong armed milita with tons of ex-military occupy gouverment building
>boolicker liberals call them terrorists, don't look into what happend
>claim if they would be muslim or black they would be treated like terrorists so they can do their moral circle jerk and make it about race
>some are so tolerant to want these rednecks to be murdered by the feds (you don't negotiate with terrorists suddenly)
>paid /pol/ shills call them traitors, ignore them
THREAD THEME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyO5sb-lSQI
#BlackLiesMatter are extremely butthurt over this on Twitter
>omg they haven't shot them yet because they're white
>if they were black they would have already bombed them
>police aren't doing anything because they're white men with guns but if it was a black kid with a toy gun he's shot instantly
>>59968605
>>go to prison for roughly one year
Lying again OP.
Again, just friendly reminder that people in the US are not afraid to fight for what they believe in, whether it be right or wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain
Does this mean white privilege is being able to organize in a way to get the results they want?
>this guy is a writer for the huffington post
>>59968952
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
more proofs
>>59968997
If black people would stop hurting people and looting their stuff during protests they could do it too
Here's another for Twitter.
These rancher wars are the spark in the fire boys
>US
>free
>atmosphere @atmosphere 5h5 hours ago
they called them angry dudes in oregon #YallQaeda waging #YeeHawd, and i almost died.
#YeeHawd
My sides have issued fatwas against eachother
>>59968997
No. Because the Black Panthers did the exact same thing in Washington. On the steps of the Capitol Building, no less.
>>59969161
Gas the feds
ranch war now
>>59968997
Another pic of the Black Panthers in the California State Capitol.
>>59968757
Is one of them Papa John?
>>59968605
>TRUMP 2016
>STOP THE DEMOCOMMUNISTS
>>59968605
Yeah, OP I was on flippboard and I seen it, made a comment and 4 liberals try to make me look like an idiot. I commented again that cattle grazing is a natural to mammals to be healthy.
Liberals said their terrorist and need to be arrested, I told them look around the world and even in our own country we have 4 states that are crtitcled by storms and the settlement's are hardly being rebuilt. I've never seen such shame from liberals.
Remember when armed black lives matter patrolled the streets and threatened to kill cops over Ferguson and shit? No?
"oink oink bang bang a pig is a pig that's what I said, the only good pig is a pig that's dead"
No?
Peaceful protest guys, move along. Just expressing their constitutional rights :^)
Upstanding black citizens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feY0diCOp-Y
What about when they "occupied" a police station with guns and threatened to kill police again over Sandra Bland, who is confirmed to have killed herself. Lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZHFjxTsMx4
JUST A PEACEFUL GATHERING OF NOBLE UPSTANDING AFRICAN AMERICANS EXPRESSING THEIR 1ST AND 2ND AMENDMENT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
:^)
Why are liberals and the news so fucking stupid?
>burn stores down
>loot for months
>set fire to cars
>shootings break out
>"peaceful protest"
>do all crime just about
>dont blame them!
>white people do 1/1000th of that
>WHITE DOMESTIC TERRORISM!!
>>59969379
yup
>>59969379
yes
>>59968839
>>59968785
social media is a cancer, i assume 70% of it is propaganda, there is just no way of guessing public perception from it unless you know who is real and who isnt
>>59969496
The liberal's claim the militia are terrorists I also said to look more in the views of the militia. The first comment I did was /pol/ tier over 9000, on the article on buzzfeed.
OP, the way you word some of that greentext is wrong. You seem to imply it only happened twice when this is the fourth time their negligence has caused fires. Also you state they are being tried as terrorists when that isn't the case.
>>59968839
> i'm crying now
> white privilege is too real
> one retweet
> by the person that took the screenshot
One day we're going to find out that Twitter is nothing but Shaun King and five guys pretending to be black.
Okay six guys pretending to be black.
>>59968785
>>59968839
I love how all these liberal sjws complain about militarized police, but now there all for "bringing in the drones and sharpshooters, and rolling in the MRAPS AND BEARCATS.
The hypocrisy is staggering.
>>59969027
Sam Hyde at it again!
>>59969027
>>59969806
Someone explain to me. What is this Sam Hyde meme?
Is there any reason he shouldn't go to prison? The only court decision I can find which says he cant was a first district opinion, where Sutherland wrote that the court could shorten/reduce but not extend/increase time or fines served *after* the court had prescribed punishment. But Oregon is in the ninth district so there is no jurisprudence.
And don't give me that creeping facism bullshit. Unfortunately, his fire burned public land and there is a law against that.
>>59969790
Because they don't view right-wingers as people, but as dangerous animals that must be destroyed so that their society will be "perfect."
>>59969806
post ur best sam hyde oregon tweets
>>59968605
Looks like there are still true American heroes.
>>59968839
>whites are losing their grip on blacks and they're upset
Ok for real what do black people have to do with any of this? Are there even any blacks involved on either side?
>>59968785
that horrible awful feel when you were born in time to escape the brain washing and watch the fall of western civilization
>>59969939
And he also went to jail for it.
But now they want to charge him with "terrorism." Because poaching deer, starting a wildfire, going to jail for it, and paying the fine when you get out are all terrorist activities, amirite?
>>59969939
Yeah, the 5th amendment
>>59969939
No it's all perfectly legal. Shitty, but legal. The only case he has against it is that your resentencing must be within 2 weeks of the initial, but his waiving of his appeal might have screwed that over.
>>59969259
I'm 90% sure that's Sacramento
>>59970036
There's like 12 black guys in all of Oregon and they play for the Portland Trailblazers.
>>59970103
>But now they want to charge him with "terrorism.
Why do you feel the need to lie?
>>59969480
>TrumpcoweringinfearfromUncleSamtheEagle.webm
>>59970135
Is it? Because the website I got it from said it was Seattle.
>>59970036
I think they make a valid point, which is that if they were black, force may already have been used.
See: MOVE Bombing in Philly, 1985
Whether or not you hold it against them, blacks feel oppressed from many directions and will co-opt any issue to use as a platform
>>59969973
>>59970165
Kek
>>59970171
For real! This made me look like an ass hat when I tried to explain this to friends. T b h that's probably why this lie keeps getting spread f a m
>>59969201
under rated post. fuck you guys for not having a sense of humor.
here, a trump pic. i'm done with these threads.
>>59969201
Based atmosphere
>>59969909
HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>59968798
>nigs implying they were bombed or shot when they shut down an international airport for christmas
>nigs implying having a weapon gets them shot, not their aggressive demeanor
>nigs implying toys get their kids shot because they're black, not because they manipulated it to look real then proceeded to point it at everyone including police with their cold monkey stare
>>59970171
I'm not.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/12/ranchers_fight_with_feds_spark.html
They're being charged under an anti-terrorism law.
>>59970106
I already explained why thats not right. The trial never finished. Its still technically the first trial, just an appeal
Unfortunately his lawyer sucks, it seems
>>59969181
> Barren desert being somebodies responsability rather than just a complete free for all
> Forest service leasing land and controlling harvests rather than allowing mass clearings and market floodings by out of state / foreign companies
Literally the entire point of a government, doing things that aren't profitable on the short term but service public interests overall
>>59968605
I'm not going to support you niggers if you keep bringing that fucking Cuckfederate shit up
14/88
>>59970365
He is being charged for arson under an anti-terror statute. He is not being tried for terrorism
>>59969909
He's a /pol/ comedian. He reads the stuff here and says them on stage and is basically being an asshole to people in the audience. I don't think it's funny.
Whenever there is a happening with alledged white supreacists /pol/ spams twitter saying it was all him/he is the leader.
It just evolved.
>>59970366
Wait... so you are saying you can be punished for a crime before being tried for one?
Fuck. Sounds like we need a lot more militia men taking over buildings then.
>>59969027
oc
>>59968757
NO YOU LEAVE RB ALONE
>>59969909
He gained fame from a master tier trolling of a TED talk.
Now he's a comedian that uses vaguely /pol/ material.
>>59968605
I posted this in the last thread but...
>family owns lands since the 1870s
You forgot to mention how the land was given to them for pennies by the US government from the Homestead Act(s).
These people are so fucking entitled they think they deserve to use this land (which they don't own) for free without paying the owners (in this case, the Federal Government/taxpayers). It's really embarrassing how they think their freedumz are being violated. It reflects poorly on honest people who try to reform taxes and government overreach from within the system.
>>59970236
White skin didn't save anyone at Ruby Ridge or Waco, nor did it save the kids at the Kent State shootings. The entire "white skin protects you from the law!" thing is a myth. Bundy got away with what he did because he brought overwhelming force and gave the feds the option to stand down. Basically the reason these guys haven't gotten a visit from the cops yet is because Burns Oregon has maybe 12 law enforcement officers and there's at least 100 of these guys.
>>59968605
They're traitors as defined by the constitution.
Short drop hanging for all involved us the only answer.
>>59969909
Literally who?
HELLO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THERE IS A HOSTILE ARMED MILITIA THAT HAS TAKEN OVER A FEDERAL BUILDING! Anyone home? Anyone interested? Where is the Army or Marines? Is this allowed because they are cowboy hat wearing white folks? They want guns, show them yours and how well your work! Stop this madness! I believe the leadership of the militia are the entire group of Republican Candidates advocating the overthrow of the federal government! MAKE THEM AN OFFER THEY CAN'T REFUSE. Confiscate their guns
>>59970591
Yeah, that one was amazing
"3d printers will do for assault rifles what soda stream did for water"
>>59970365
>They're being charged under an anti-terrorism law.
No they aren't. There is no second charge, the first judge did not sentence them to the mandatory minimum sentencing and when it went to appeals they bumped it up to the minimum 5 years. He is being charged with Use of Fire to Damage and Destroy US Property
>>59970439
lmao 10/10
>>59970643
>given
Nigger you realize the government "gave" land to settlers to let them use their labor and improve the entire west for later tax revenue.
>>59970366
You have to file an appeal in typically 90 days, this is some next level gray area legal bs. They already served were convicted and served their time, thats double jeapordy enough for me, even if it is legally applicable, doesn't make it right, or even a good idea.
As a black man I have considered grabbing my rifle and going out to show support for patriots, but they may be too racist to accept my help.
>>59970643
>which they don't own
thanks to the homestead act they do
this is not about taxes, that was the bundy ranch
>>59970512
also non-sam version
>>59970510
Its the same reason murders arent allowed to walk around on the street while they wait 5 years for their case to enter the Supreme Court
Make of it what you will
Activate the Army at Fort Lewis under the Insurrection Act of 1807 and order them to disperse.
All rebels must hang.
>>59970510
He was tried and convicted. Please just read the court files.
The amount of liberals saying the government should kill all these men is absurd.
They haven't hurt anyone. I thought Liberals were anti brutality?
>>59970662
>traitors
>using the 2nd amendment to peacefully protest an overreach of government.
Statist scum please go.
>>59970696
They're in the parking lot of an empty national park you stupid fuck
>>59970366
>I actually believe a conviction doesn't count until all appeals are exhausted.
Christ I hope no one ever comes to you for legal advice.
>>59970036
l l
See, the black lines represent the two sides, the white sides, while the space inbetween represents the invisible black minority, not present to the current issue but ever present to all issues.
The white space black men are always affected by the black line white mens conflicts whether they are present or not because they are the inbetween, you get it honky?
If you do, you can eliminate your negative effect on the black community by not having conflict with your government, corporations, foreign countries or entities that want you dead, etc.
Just stop tackling problems like we do.
>>59970662
Well Obama committed high treason multiple times when he armed everyone from Mexican cartels to Islamic rebels without congressional approval. Then there's Hillary keeping top secret shit on her private server in between taking money from foreign governments through her charity foundation. Treason effectively has no meaning anymore.
>>59970843
Liberals are fascists too.
Also, Americans in charge of liberal ideals. what did you expect
>>59970510
> You can be punished for a crime before being tried
Are you fucking retarded
If you don't post bail they keep you in jail if they think you might not show up for trial, that time is usually counted as "time served" if you get a sentence
Catch and release is the most ineffective worthless liberal shit, they force us to do in California and you end up with DEAD PASTORS
http://www.krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/news/st-bernards-church-remembered-father-eric-freed/30493502
They found him wandering around the church muttering about death and hate, brought him to the courthouse and found meth on him, but prop 47 says no violent crime = no jail so they let him out... walked 5 blocks back to the church and smashed his head in with a brick before filling the guys mouth with kindling and setting his head on fire.
Don't fall for the "bootlickers" meme, cops may be bad but the alternative is far worse. It's like syria, assad sucks but ISIS sucks more, who do you want in control, who do you want to negotiate with?
>>59970835
wrong country nigel
>>59970843
well they have guns, are white, and are protesting government so they must be bad.
A picture of suspect Sam Hyde after brutally mowing down pedestrians at #mizzou
>>59970843
>Liberals
>Anti-brutality
When does this evolve in to something actually exciting? This is fucking boring and nothing is happening.
>>59970759
I agree he may have standing under the 8th amendment, but the fact of the matter is that SCOTUS more or less said they werent going to hear the case. So either congress must make a law, or the district judges ruling stands.
Personally I don't have a problem with it. The real issue is that he wanted his cattle to be able to pass through federal land freely. He wanted to use another entities property for free. That makes him a nigger
>>59968605
For those of you who don't know this is another operation spearheaded by the infamous racist nazi Ben "Dead niggers don't float" Garrison who is now going by the name Sam "Kick a Kike, Win a Prize" Hyde.
Horrible person. Downright dreadful.
>>59970643
So what you're saying is that if Alberto sells or even gives my family a plot of land in 1870, the Barbosas are entitled to that land a hundred years later? I don't think that is how it works and I'm not sure what you're arguing there.
>>59971093
>other entities
>the federal government
That's not how government is supposed to work you mongoloid.
>>59969027
Holy shit
>>59969909
Sam "Free Panera" Hyde
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hkov3QcCpQ
>>59970898
Prove me wrong then. Oh, you cant. It just counts as time served nig
>>59970036
What do blacks have to do with this? If these were armed blacks or muslims taking the building hostage they would have been gassed or shot hours ago. Since they are white this illegal armed occupation is "peaceful" and just some good old guys sitting around in a cabin. Fuck this shit. They're terrorists and I hope they get whats coming. They should be treated like the criminals they are.
>>59970954
Most honest thing I have ever heard a cop say.
>>59971251
He's arguing that because the land was "given" to them over 100 years ago that makes them welfare whores, even though they have paid taxes/ used their blood sweat and tears to carve out a living for their family.
>>59970439
What does Chamberlin have to do about this?
>>59970835
Activating the army over this would open up a whole new can of worms, there would be a significant risk of desertion or insubordination. Guess who tends to join the military? Working class white people with right wing tendencies, plus a good chunk of Bundy's people are vets themselves so they'll know just what to say to press their buttons. Basically you're sending in the army to shoot a bunch of guys waving the American flag. It'll have to be one of the alphabet soup agencies backed up by the National Guard, letting the army do this is a good way to find yourself with a much bigger problem the next day.
>>59971258
History and our current circumstance seem to prove you entirely wrong
>>59971347
>fails to mention the "federal land" was stolen from the family.
Go fuck a cactus you statist faggot
Okay, maybe I was a little harsh on them earlier. Being in a Ranger Station in the middle of nowhere must be boring.
I suggest sending a copy of pic related to stave it off.
>>59970915
Actually, massive faggot, regardless of your level of understanding it has a very exact meaning, which our president does not and has not ever fit:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in LEVYING WAR against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
as in raising an armed militia and taking over federal lands.
Treason, by definition, as defined by the constitution.
CHECKMATE, IMPOTENT MILITIAFAGS
>>59971353
Also the fact he's repeatedly violated the terms of his permit makes him a welfare whore.
>>59970036
This is becoming a racially segregated political issue because black people largely live within cities and suburbia and affect policy within those regions. As a result they have little empathy for a rural herdsmans plight. By trumping up the racial factor in this fiasco, the Feds are able to gain support and outcry against these militiamen. If they handle it poorly then it's likely they would be out of a job once the presidential cabinets reshuffle.
This issue at hand is primarily about land use rights and the government interfering with both the private sector and established legal precedent safeguarding a persons home. This is also an election year and an armed rebellion or another waco fiasco could drastically swing election talking points. This is very bad for certain federal agencies such as the bureau of land management which probably wouldn't survive unscathed if there were serious journalist inquiry.
Hillary couldn't be tough on guns if Americans thought that their homes could be taken from them. No candidate could be soft on big business if BLM files reveal some dirt between them and big business at the cost of peoples homes and livelihoods.
>>59971258
What if instead of the governments land, it was Donald Trump's land. Would he have a right to use Trump's land for free?
If not, why can he use the federal governments? Its not "public land." Its federally owned land.
You can say this is bad, but the alternative is that people can walk inside nuclear launch facilities
There are good reasons for the government to own some land
>>59971432
Yes, because the government are acting like tyrannical faggots that makes the 200+ years of limited government theory obsolete.
>>59970236
MOVE had already shot and killed several cops by the time they decided to drop a bomb on them.
>>59971499
>HOLY SHIT HE LOOKED UP THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION. 1/1
>BUT DID HE CHECK TREASON LAWS? 1/2
STATUS - UNIFORMED PLEB.
>tfw rabidly pro-gun and generally in favor of c u c kolding the government
>tfw not sure if this is a false flag
>tfw quite fond of federally protected wilderness generally ("over 50% of Western land is federally owned as compared to less than 3% of Eastern land"--yes, well, if you wanted to live in Ohio you could live in Ohio, but Utah is the way it is largely because so much of it is owned by the BLM)
I dunno, brehs. What would Edward Abbey do?
>>59971428
lmao, says someone who never went to basic
>>59971539
Terms which have been demonstrably unfair and induced specifically to make ranching unprofitable.
Get off the governments dick/
>>59970001
Someone explain TRS to me? Website looks like pol and their icon is an oven ffs.. but the tweets are counter intuitive..
>>59971463
>By Teddy Roosevelt
What, /pol/, you dont like Teddy Roosevelt all of a sudden? You were all for eminent domain when he fucked over the Panamanians
I know how New York must feel being held hostage by their shitty fucking Jew City full of kike shills and horrible vermin.
Please for God's sake when the secession happens wipe out every single living being in Portland and anyone who flees it. Wall off California and give it back to the Mexicans but do not let a single soul back into this country from that shithole.
>>59971587
I fucking hate him
Seal all exits and cut off all utilities. They will be crying to get out in a couple weeks. Personally I would also cover all the windows as well to eliminate all natural light.
>>59971428
None of our military operates on U.S. soil, neither does the CIA, only FBI, the national guard, DHS, and county and state agencies can weigh in on this situation.
>>59971553
Right. But stealing farmland from ranchers and then arresting them for using the land they've owned for over 100 years is kind of the definition of government overreach.
>>59971587
This was a pretty fucking disgusting read. Who even writes this crap? Oh, it's Bob Chipman. I wonder how the city life in New Jersey is treating him.
>>59971686
I don't like Teddy Roosevelt.
Any other strawmans you would like you introduce?
>>59971553
The federal government shouldn't own land, only states and counties should.
>>59971686
That cocksucker is the reason we have progressives. He can go fuck a bull moose.
>>59971915
I was the person he was replying to, are you blind or just stupid?
>>59969259
>>59970135
thats oakland where the hq is
>>59971836
He's part of the sarcastic cosplay-anime thing /pol/ does sometimes. I didn't mean you specifically. Deal with it
>>59970662
The principles that led to the American Revolution are now a threat to the American government. What a time to be alive.
>>59971915
Also you're linking to yourself. We can see your ID, samefaggot.
>>59970704
"Enforced homosexuality"
>>59970904
What is this? I don't even...
>>59971347
Again it seems like it's less that they're white and more that they outnumber current law enforcement in the area by like 4 to 1, it would be suicidal for the local police to try and force them out right now. The feds are going there tomorrow, if somethings going to happen it'll happen then.
>>59971499
>giving enemies aid and comfort
Like arming them?
So how will this end? In one video he was telling people to come here and bring your guns but I can't see the feds letting anyone come near
>>59971686
Teddy was a statist faggot.
>>59969201
Atmosphere is an absoulute mad man
#FuckYouMuhammed
>>59968839
They don't even pretend they want equality anymore. They just straight up hate white people.
True Tennessean here. We've owned the same land since 1805. My Great-Great grandfather was in the Confederate army.
Akers Battery, 1st Tennessee Heavy Artillery.
South Will Rise again. I will fight and die for it.
>>59971962
Are you me?
>>59972007
...?
>>59970662
Can't get much more American than forming a militia to push back gov't overstepping its boundaries.
>>59971647
I don't know, the parts they say he's violating seem pretty simple to not break.
>a. failure to obtain prior approval for surface disturbing work;
>b. noncompliance with rules and regulations;
>c. noncompliance with the terms and conditions of the allotment management plan and fire plan
>>59971762
Except they haven't owned that land since 1908, so they really only owned it for 38 years.
Let's start a "#OregonUnderLiberation" hashtag
>>59972099
You replied to me and then samefagged to the same reply.
>>59972085
You Great-Great grandfather was a faggot traitor like yourself. The North will Win Again
>>59972085
That's pretty based.
>>59971087
MSM is not covering it, so the story won't gain that kind of attention until it has reached critical mass on social media.
>>59972131
>stealing quotes from gavin
>>59972225
Fuck off Yankee. Go back to your two window apartment in Queens.
>>59971587
>talking about the United States and it's issues
>French flag
Color me surprised
>>59972217
Bro Im not scoping everyones ID when I use 4chan. You replied to two of my comments, and I replied to each reply individually
Get mad faggot
>>59972141
So you have no idea about the specifics of the case, and yet are spouting off idiocy to people who do? After the family refused to sell their land, the BLM forced licencing fees so obscene they made his business unprofitable.
They also refused to upkeep the land, which lead to invasive species growth which had to be cleared by a controlled burn.
This is a pretty obvious example of government overreach and corruption.
>>59972141
>I don't know, the parts they say he's violating seem pretty simple to not break.
maybe what I read was bullshit but it sounds like lightning started a large fire right nearby so they started small controlled fires to keep that area from going up in flames
and nothing on federal property was damaged
they were just being dicks
>>59968605
I'm so proud of my state, fuck you, liberal cuck Portlanders, don't tread on me!
>>59970236
Like force was used against the armed Black Panthers March earlier this year?
Oh that's right...
>>59972267
I'm agreeing with him. Would you like me to source all of my opinions?
>>59968605
Thank you for making threads of this Polska, you are always welcome here in Dixie
>>59972291
>dont you love it outside!
>look at all the grass!
>and trees!
>and look, more grass!
>and some trees
>and we're outside
>and its fun
>right guys?
>this is fun, isn't it?
>being surrounded by nothing?
>right...?
> commit arson
> first judge sentences incorrectly
> government appeals
> get sentenced correctly
> TYRANNY! MUH LIBERTY! MORON LABE!
So fucking tired of these retards. Call in the National Guard, order them to leave. When they refuse, "evict" them with helicopter gunships as an example to the other Gadsden flag waving dumbasses that their pretend military gear doesn't mean shit against an actual army.
>>59970803
>>59971251
They don't own the federal government land they're currently occupying. They're protesting that they should be able to use these federally owned lands because they're entitled to them.
Of course they can do whatever they want on their own land. No one has taken that right away from them. But if you set your land on fire and it spreads to someone else's, you're held liable. Makes perfect sense to me.
>>59972545
arson != controlled burns
>>59972356
Then why do other farmers seem to be handling it just fine?
So are we just supposed to never question the government?
Are we just supposed to let our "leaders" do back room deals with corporations and sell out the american people more and more?
Are we just supposed to let our government tax things to the ground, and enact unfair fees, and taxes, and license it to death?
There is no freedom left in america, when do people stand up fight?
When is it ok for people to say "FUCK YOU FEDS"
The best jobs these days are working for the government, its a sad state of affairs when our young people seek out government jobs over private business, or starting their own business.
Fuck the police state, fuck the jew controlled money, fuck the crooked politicians, fuck the evil as FUCK corporations.
We are literally running out of resources, animal populations around the world are plummeting and have been for the past 2 centuries, yet we continue on the way we do.
We are headed for self-destruction unless we take a stand.
>>59972545
>double jeopardy
>can't sue the government or take them to court unless they give you permission to take them to court
>>59972597
They aren't. Most have been forced out. This is why a lot of people from the town are joining the militia. BLM abuse is well known in the West.
>>59971251
based, ive been looking for this pic for a long ass time.
>>59972545
Go back to England, king lover.
>>59972356
>So you have no idea about the specifics of the case, and yet are spouting off idiocy to people who do? After the family refused to sell their land, the BLM forced licencing fees so obscene they made his business unprofitable.
I don't know, I'm reading the case files right now on both the original case, the resentencing and the civil case between BLM and the Hammonds. Have you read the case files?
>>59972388
That was only one fire, their negligence has caused 4 fires over the course of 7 years. The lightning one is only one of them and the court found that one to have caused under 100 dollars worth of damage
>>59972595
It is when your criminal negligence causes it to spread to federal property
>>59972595
>100 acres
> controlled burn
MUH LIBERTY fags in full damage control mode.
>>59972595
Their "controlled burn" spread to someone elses property
Cry about it
To be completely honest, I dont know what world these ranchers live in where they think you can burn acres of someones property and just call it an "accident"
>>59968785
>b-but muh race war muh REBELLION against TYRANNY muh Thomas Jefferson
>p-people will support us the government stands no chance
Told you fags. There will be no uprising and isolated incidents will be crushed by the feds with overwhelming approval from the masses. Any group, which will try to resist will be branded 'domestic terrorist' by the MSM and social media.
Forget about it.
Funny enough, the strict laws that the militias are complaining about were passed with full support of the right-wing Republican base
So most of you are waiting for the eventual slaughter right???????
>>59972545
I hope someone sends your grandfather to prison for 5 years over some stupid shit faggot.
>>59972597
because they were strong-armed into selling their land
>>59972658
>This is why a lot of people from the town are joining the militia
You are so full of shit. The Bundys couldn't get a single local to join.
>>59972291
Cute Quip Dixie scum, I don't live in Jewyork even if I did there are probably more niggers in your hometown then are there any way
>>59972647
Its not double jeopardy. They havent been tried twice
>>59972731
>overwhelming approval from the masses
>niggers and faggots
Have you looked at statistics lately?
>>59972747
you know it
what else does /pol/ exist for?
>>59972747
I am sure there will be an "accidental fire" that will burn everybody alive and destroy any evidence
thats how our fucked up government operates
>>59972777
>citation needed
>>59972720
So to reiterate, you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>59972647
It's not double jeopardy, it's a violation of post-conviction laws
>>59972726
Happens all the time in the real world, faggot.
BLM does it all the time too.
>>59968894
I WANT TO DIE A FREE MAN
>>59972489
>"I'd rather be surrounded by millions of people in tiny rooms who never talk to each other than by pure, unsullied nature"
>"This is fun, right guys??"
>"Being surrounded by husks of people who wish they could leave the city?"
>r-right guys?"
>>59972639
You know, for a militia to challenge the government in this way...they have more balls than any other patriots in America. This is literally what America was founded on.
>>59972803
>be tried for the same bullshit crime twice
>by 2 different judges
>do your time the first time, get called back and ordered to serve more time because cops want your land
>not double jeopardy
this is probably one of the worst cases of double jeopardy i have heard about in a while
>>59972726
Not when it was clearly provoked by the BLM.
You know its possible for the government to be dicks too, right?
>>59972776
Strong armed? You mean they are pussies?
Figures. Thats why the one faggot posted a vid of himself crying lol
Cant wait
>>59968605
>Hear about Oregon habbbening
>See this thread
>Redneck Confederate shit
>South will rise again
>Poland poster
Just gonna get that out and monitor.
You're either for liberity or you're for tyranny.
You're for white America or you're for non-white America.
It's 2016, pick a side because you need to
>>59972938
If thats your definition of, "The worst case of double jeopardy," you have ever heard, then you must consider every case which has ever had an appeal, "The worst case of double jeopardy," you have ever heard of.
>>59972192
THIS SENPAI
>>59972963
>gets rekt so hard he has to resort to trolling
>>59972846
>>citation needed
>Ammon Bundy said the goal is to turn over federal land to local ranchers, loggers and miners. He said he met with 10 or so residents in Burns on Friday to try to recruit them, but they declined
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html
They were convicted of their crime dumbass, please read the court documents before you post next time. I can post links to them if using google is too hard for you.
>>59972978
but of course, monitoring is your job!
>/pol/
>red-pilled
>has no idea about government land-grabbing
Pic related. It's you.
But what about Canada?
>>59972962
"Provoked"?
I'm sure the govt was dicks. But I have zero empathy for the Bundy clan
Burning hundreds of acres of someone elses land in an attempt to cover up another crime is criminally negligent.
>>59971676
they are being master rusemen
>>59971676
Therightstuff.biz
Check it out if you want. They're like /pol/ without all the /b/ shit and lefty opinions
>>59972938
>be tried for the same bullshit crime twice
Tried once, sentenced twice because the first one was illegal.
>>59973089
You can't even read your own citation you insufferable faggot.
The occupation came shortly after an estimated 300 marchers — militia and local citizens both — paraded through Burns to protest the prosecution of two Harney County ranchers, Dwight Hammond Jr. and Steven Hammond, who are to report to prison on Monday.
>>59973065
How am I rekt? No one "forced" him to sell land.
If anything, hes trying to use the govts land by letting his cattle graze on it fo free
>>59972545
>arson
>controlled burns on your private land to prevent fire from federally controlled lands from killing you and your livelihood
>arson
These shady ass feds probably started the fire hoping it would wipe them out anyway for all we know, lightning be damned.
If something happens to them the land goes to BLM, if they can't pay the bullshit fines the land goes to BLM, if they try to sell they have to sell to BLM for pennies.
BLM is getting that land one way or another and they weren't above flooding people out or getting them charged as terrorists, with potential death penalty, to do it.
>>59971676
listen to the daily shoah. It can be a decent podcast. Hit or miss sometimes, but they usually present a few good points throughout.
>>59972800
New York please 25% of your population is black , in my county there is only 1.6% black.
Your thinking of Memphis nigger lover.
>>59972922
>You know, for a militia to challenge the government in this way...they have more balls than any other patriots in America. This is literally what America was founded on.
yeah this country wasnt founded on pussy ass fucking state workers driving their brand new leased cars drinking 8.99 coffee and feeling entitled to everything with their bachelors degree from a state funded school.
We wanted to get away from oppressive government, and now we have become one of the most oppressive governments ever.
the government doesnt care about its people, it would rather mass spy on its citizens for whatever means it sees
fuck the police state, fuck jew bankers, fuck our "leaders" who drive this country into the ground
there is no freedom, there is only oppression by our tyrannical government
i dunno about yall but im STILL pissed my house went down almost 100k in value for LITERALLY NO REASON after the big bank created housing bubble. You know why banks do that? So they can buy up cheap land and gain more control. What does our governement do? Bail them out with billions of tax payer dollars.
if there was an armed revolution in my lifetime i would stand up and fight.
>>59968894
I WANT TO DIE A FREE MAN
>>59973180
>Burning hundreds of acres of someone elses land in an attempt to cover up another crime is criminally negligent.
proof?
>>59971347
> have land stolen from you
> peaceful protest in response is now terrorism
Heres your (you)
>>59973234
>being this retarded
That was a separate, unarmed protest, which dispersed around sundown. Only a handful went back to the preserve
>>59973180
Please cite the evidence the burn was used to cover up a crime.
>>59973234
Citizens marched in the protest but none of them joined the group that went to the refuge.
How can you post when you are illiterate?
>>59973325
Your house dropped in value because it was never worth that much to begin with. You are the idiot that overpaid if you bought during the peak of the bubble.
>>59972582
Again, I'm not sure what you're getting at. You were given a land so that you could prosper, pay (more) taxes and better the economy; of course, the expectation people had of you back then was that you were going to raise cattle, poach and do some farming. But then the Federal Government starts acquiring a bunch of land to turn into "wildlife preserves" and you are unable to go about your cattle raising and poaching. Couple of questions:
Fucking why does the Fed. Gov. even needs that land for?
Even if they do need it, how does it excuse them from exercising a bit of common sense?
>>59973232
This is still retarded, could easily put the old man on probation/parole, and his son, instead of taking away years from the both of them. Wanting to lock up non violent people is just stupid.
>>59968894
I WANT TO DIE A FREE MAN
>>59968785
Brandishing a gun in public should get you shot!
Justice for tamir rice
>>59973370
The liberal is getting it from liberal media.
>Prosecutors said the Hammonds set a fire that burned about 130 acres in 2001, to cover up poaching. They were sentenced to five years in prison.
>The Hammonds, who are set to turn themselves in Monday afternoon, have said they set the fire to reduce the growth of invasive plants and to protect their property from wildfires, CNN affiliate KTVZ reported.
Because burning land someone hides a person from grabbing a gun and shooting wildlife out of season.
>>59973358
>>59973394
Yes, citizens joined the militia but every single one of them left after. Not only are you playing semantics, that is a baseless assumption.
>>59973349
The evidence was presented in the original trial, and is in the case files. There were *four* separate incidents with "controlled" burns. The Bundys have used that fact to create confusion around their story, leading some to believe they never damaged BLM land
>>59973434
>lets just allow banks to single handed destroy the market for literally everyone so they can cheaply and quietly buy up all the land
>i know, lets also bail out these "to big to fail" banks and give them billions of tax payer dollars!
eat shit jew cock sucker, go die in a death camp
>>59973439
some people will defend anything the government does
even to itself
like you have people who think the NSA should be allowed to spy on congress
>>59973434
>banker apologist
>>59968605
Daam, this is the kind of bullshit I expected out of my shitty third world country, not out of USA!
How the fuck did this happened? I tought you americans defended personal liberties above everything else!
>>59973089
Are you illiterate?
Your source refutes your own argument.
>>59973370
>>59973506
It was in the judges opinion. Someone posted it last night. Not everything is a liberal conspiracy
>>59968605
>get tried and convicted, sentenced to a year in jail
>feds issue re sentencing convicting you of domestic terrorism
Isn't this double jeopardy?
>>59973573
Why exactly are you believing the Federal Government's evidence? They have shown multiple times to not operate in good faith in this confrontation.
>>59973539
By his own omission no locals joined him.
>>59973573
To be fair the testimony was thrown out because the judge said the nephew might be lying because Hammond took coarse sandpaper and scrubbed the kid raw as a punishment and the judge says he might be biased because of it
>>59973629
The banks didn't destroy the market. Morons buying homes with 550 credit scores with 5 year arms they could't afford after they ballooned did.
The banks enabled it, but it takes two to tango.
>>59968605
>>59971428
I am sure the Oregon national guard would be so, so stressed over evicting a bunch of out of state whack jobs from Oregon.
>>59968894
I want to die a free man!
>>59973629
That shit was a well planned out financial operation for big profits. They knew they would get bailed out.
>>59973435
But let's create a hypothetical situation where the land dispute is between two private owners.
A person uses their neighbor's land without paying, sets fires that spread onto the neighbor's land, and just generally don't respect the other person's property.
Wouldn't you be on the neighbor's side if they wanted to sue, regardless of whether or not they were doing much with the land?
This seems like basic property law to me, just one owner is the federal government.
>>59973686
>Your source refutes your own argument.
No it doesn't. Citizens joined the 300 people march to the courthouse but not to the occupation
>>59973435
Well, when the nation collapses and goes up for grabs thanks to our lack of gold, we will pay our debts with our national reserves, this includes resources and land.
>>59973674
Obvious bait. These people are doing the defending retard.
>>59973695
>They have shown multiple times to not operate in good faith in this confrontation.
Where?
>>59973728
>>59968605
FBI thread
you've all been warned
>>59973692
No, its an appeal. Its still the first trial. You need two trials to have double jep
>>59973695
Its not, "The Federal Governments," evidence. Its just evidence. And it seems like the Bundys were criminally negligent.
Doesn't mean I dont disagree with BLM policies or practices, but Bundy is still a fag too, and so is his dad desu
>>59973728
Poppy farmers seemed to have few issues doing so.
>>59973692
No it's technically not, it's an appeal on the same case, one case, two sentencings. Instead of two cases for the exact same thing.
which is double jeapardy
>>59973728
GROM is not involved AFAIK.
>>59973865
>Obvious bait
No man, I am talking about the government blatantly stealing their land!
