Burgers, it's time for a serious thread, no shitposting.
Our ex prime minister john howard got on your tv last night to LIE to your nation that gun control worked down under.
I am here to give you the real facts and dispute every single one of his lies with cited sources. Your job is then to save all these facts and BTFO anyone who tries to lie that aussie gun control worked. You will prevent the tragedy that happened to us happening in your nation and perhaps even redpill a few of my own countrymen as to the lies we've been fed.
>John howard claimed we have not had a mass shooting since port arthur
We have had FOUR since.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash_University_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hectorville_siege
The hunt family murders
http://www.S M H.com.au/nsw/hunt-family-murders-witness-describes-final-night-at-family-home-20151006-gk2vo5.html
The recent sydney seige
http://www.S M H .com.au/nsw/sydney-siege-gunman-man-monis-was-a-radicialised-terrorist-us-expert-says-20150824-gj6wlm.html
Now time for some bonus points. Last week in victoria we've had 15 shootings, source below. We also had ANOTHER seige in sydney in the last week.
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/03/12/03/33/vic-records-15-shootings-in-eight-days
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-07/sydney-ingleburn-gunman-dead-in-siege-after-fatal-shooting/7226058
This is the first lie they push about our country. That the violence stopped. It did not stop, it has been brutally supressed due to gag and control orders on our media.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/australian-court-gagging-order-abuse-legal-process
>Note that you have to remove the spaces for the S M H links, as 4chan autocorrects sydney morning herald to baka.
>>67547323
As you can see here:
>Assault rose
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/assault.html
>Sexual assault rose for 5-6 years following, before dropping off. Kidnapping also rose.
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html
I find it amusing that people who want to ban guns thinking it will reduce gun crime.
Especially when they point to Australia as being a "gun control success story".
Australia is having an increase in crime, and has had one since the gun ban in 1997. Gun crime HAS gone down, yet what anti-gunners will not tell you is that it was dropping BEFORE the ban.
Link: http://www.ssaa.org.au/ilasep98.html
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/[email protected]/0/44e7066a7d173...
http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/27/how-has-heightened-gun-control-worked-in
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-18/opinion/chi-the-failure-of-gun-control-in-australia-20130118_1_gun-control-mandatory-gun-gun-deaths
http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
>>67547403
And now time for some bonus articles.
Did you know: one in ten of all guns seized by police from criminals in Australia is a DIY submachine gun?
Here are some articles showing the major failures of Australia's "tough" gun laws you won't see on TV-
I found these in less than 10 minutes:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/jeweller-angelos-koots-admits-to-making-submachine-guns-at-his-seven-hills-home-and-supplying-them-to-bikie-groups/story-fni0cx12-1226760983916?nk=c1720804438b0b9f14802266b41dd806
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/06/16/australian-police-10-firearms-seized-homemade/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/03/10/australian-police-seize-homemade-submachine-gun-drug-raid/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/08/05/bill-holmes-homemade-smg-others-spotted-australia/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/07/16/mp40-found-in-australia/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/10/21/potd-fp-45-liberator-found-australia/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/10/08/australian-police-arrest-homemade-pen-gun-supplier/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/04/australian-motorcycle-gang-diy-firearms-surface/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/12/02/51213/
Read pic related as well, if you want to see how the cops shot our national icon, crocodile dundee...for not handing in his guns like a cuck.
Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that gun control is mostly security theatre.
Thanks OP, I hope you get to keep what guns you have. The Adlers look pretty cool.
>>67548056
Thanks for the bump mate, i need to keep this alive. He is directly lying to your nation and i want to disprove his lies so you burgers do not think we were a success story.
All the evidence says otherwise.
>>67547323
I don't know why all the faggots in Australia, Europe, etc. give a fuck that we own guns. It makes me want to kill the faggots in other countries that think they have the right to even debate it here.
Glad you're being based and keeping it real. I'm not letting the faggots try to take my guns here. It might be too late for y'all, but y'all can try to get them back.
>>67547323
>Burgers, it's time for a serious thread, no shitposting.
Look who's talking
>>67548372
You have to understand our nation is filled with complete cucks and a few good men.
We're vastly outnumbered by the cucks and praying for some freedom from the nanny state.
Our media here is under gag orders so they cannot report the true facts like i have linked in this thread. The regular aussie thinks gun control has worked, because he has never seen these statistics.
He does not understand that he was safer under guns, statistically.
He does not understand that the criminals ALL STILL HAVE GUNS and have zero problems getting them.
I have provided the iron clad evidence, i can only pray that you americans godspeed and use these statistics to redpill anyone who tries to remotely suggest we successfully banned guns. We did not.
>>67547817
Thanks for the warning Dundee. We'll do what we can here to not be cucked.
>>67548372
I'd like to be able to own a gun legally. Sadly all I can own without a license is a fucking black powder pirate blaster.
If I ever wanted to legally own even a pistol to protect myself, I have to show a document proving that my life is constantly threatened.
Of course I can get a sports permit but then the guns I can get are extremely limited plus I have to prove I do sports shooting first.
first they shitpost, then they post this, is shitposting the way aussies take a smoke break
>>67548850
Good thing is here, we're mostly redpilled with that. Nobody will ever be able to outright ban guns here, it's too straightforward and too obvious. They're trickier here, arguing for things that make sense to most uninformed people. They argue for "universal background checks", even though you already need a background check. They argue against "assault weapons", which is a fictitious categorization.
The cucks fucking hate that we have the right to bear arms built into the constitution, plain as day. It's too obvious, but it's forced them to get craftier. Means we have to be vigilant.
>>67549322
I've been thinking of starting a website filled with hateful shit just to get threats that I could use to get a CCW permit in my cucked hellhole
do internet threats count when applying for a CCW claiming great need for self defense?
Politicians should get jail time for lying.
My family still owns their automatic firearms, but we all agree that it was for the better. An average autist is going to find it much harder to shoot up people with semi's.
Also, mass shootings are 4 or more people killed excluding the gunman senpai. So only the Hunt murder counts.
Seriously curious though, were you born before 1996?
>>67547323
Don't america have huge interracial rape statistics? Also the majority of rape in Europe is commited intracommunity (i.e. turks rape turks, niggers niggers...)
>>67547323
>Our ex prime minister john howard got on your tv last night
Huh?
>>67549614
I have absolutely no idea. I just know that in Poland self defense as a reason gets refused 99% of times unless you have actual police-documented evidence that someone might want to kill you.
I don't know, maybe internet hate will work but then you might need to press charges or something.
I thought about sending myself newspaper cutout anonymous letters with death threats but I'm kinda afraid they might home in on me since I won't be able to stop sending them so I can stay threatened.
>>67548955
Godspeed m8, let us serve as a warning for what happens when you give up your guns.
They take away your guns, you become cucked and unable to fight back against nanny state laws, you end up shitposting like us to take away the pain.
As a side note, you guys hear about the rampaging immigrants who went nuts in a children's festival this week?
http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/deep-anger-at-core-of-apex-gang-causing-havoc-on-melbournes-streets/news-story/f4e886da66594d4ea38cb323ea069612
>Niggers riot at children's festival
>Smash up hundreds of cars, threaten people with machetes
>People are cucked and get robbed
>Police only make 4 arrests on the night and 30 later on OUT OF 200 RAMPAGING NIGGERS
>Cops then tell us "self defense is not a human right" and we should hide if they invade our home (home invasions are a big thing)
Seriously, read the article, it will make your blood boil.
Also requesting the screencap of victoria police's banned weapons list including household objects and saying "self defense is not a lawful excuse"
>>67549447
Here they just did port arthur and everyone bought it.
Tell me, how would you americans react to a guy who's mentally retarded getting over 30 headshots while firing from the hip, being smart enough to distract police with an elaborate diversion....
Then being imprisoned afterwards and prevented from seeing the media, not given a trial at all (yes, they just made him confess and he was never given a trial) and now he's dosed up on drugs in jail.
Suspicious, right?
Bonus points: As per tasmanian law at the time, an inquest was legally required for this situation. They did not do one, in direct violation of the law.
Triple bonus points: Martin bryant's entire estate was confiscated so he could not mount a legal defense BEFORE HE WAS CONVICTED
>>67549853
Well we have huge nig on nig rape and murder also, its because they live isolated. The more "integrated" the more they fuck the rest of our lives up. Unless kept at very very low % and not in their own colonies so they assimilate.
>>67549326
>>67548600
this isn't a shit post. Cheers stralia
>>67549674
>>67549674
You can argue all you want based on feelings, but i have posted the government's own criminology statistics.
There is no denying that we are more likely to be a victim of a violent crime.
Now as for the bullshit semantics about what qualifies a mass shooting, john howard still LIED on TV.
The hunt incident directly proves it wrong, plus just because it's not mass casualty does not mean it's not going on.
Did you read what i posted about 15 SHOOTINGS IN THE LAST 8 DAYS alone?
And no, i was born 2 years before the ban and never had a chance to speak up against this bullshit, i believed the lie all my life until another aussie showed me the statistics and i did a little digging on my own.
They've flat out lied to us.
>>67549674
You can't own semi-automatic firearms in Australia.
>>67550757
Yes you can, you just need to be a criminal!
See >>67547817
>>67547323
Guys, come on now.
I know we turned the world on its head with our revolution and our concept of rights. But you've totally taken it the wrong way.
>>67548850
True facts. Wasn't that a movie with Arnie?
Anyway, some of your "mass shootings" involved 2 people. Monis (Lindt Café) was not a 'radicalised terrorist' (according to US expert), he was unhinged e.g. spending years trying to bring a TV program down for 'promoting terrorism' (iirc).
Stop baiting the Yanks, they have enough problems of their own e.g. Trump.
>>67547323
Dont worry m8.
Our funs are okay, noone really watches TV here anymore anyway because of Netflix.
I may be a shitskin, but every bump counts
May your blades never dull, brave shitposter
>>67551371
You don't find it unsettling that muslims are roaming our streets with guns, starting seiges and riots like the one at the children's festival a few days ago...and when they break into our homes (home invasions have spiked) the cops won't do shit because they don't wanna be racist and you can't have a gun (but the criminals can).
Seriously, read the article about the nigger gang above.
Victoria police is flat out saying they don't want to be racist.
>>67551605
Thanks m8. I really don't care what color someone's skin is as long as they're a decent human being.
Sadly, the majority of niggers our government brought in are not decent and are running around our streets with machetes.
>>67551225
>I know we turned the world on its head with our revolution and our concept of rights. But you've totally taken it the wrong way.
lololololololololol
>>67548210
>guns r scawy
>death is scawy
Why have the drop bears not killed all the pussies who support these lies?
>>67550099
>Port Arthur was a false flag
Fuck off mate.
>>67550757
You can own semi-autos, they're just heavily restricted
>>67551852
America invented freedom, don't ya know.
And liberty, too. And while it wasn't intentional, we also indirectly invented happiness.
The world was a sad, cold place before we overthrew tea.
>>67552390
Did i say that? Why are you so defensive? Read what i wrote.
I stated the official facts of what happened and asked americans what they think about it.
So burgers, what do you think about the official story?
>>67552653
Here, have a read.
http://southeastasianews.org/portarthur/the_facts.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
These are the official facts, everything lines up with what i posted above. Tell me what you make of this situation, americans. First reactions.
>>67552582
nice shitpost m8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
and renaissance to a smaller extent
Port Arthur was a false flag anyway.
>>67547323
Yea - I flipped past that fuck just long enough to hear him claim that gun control works because there hasn't been another Port Arthur.
Besides the obvious lie, his logic is shit. I haven't had a home invasion since I purchased my AR-15, so that must prove that owning semi-automatic rifles is a sure way to stop burglary.
What a fucking loser - man, all your PMs down there basically suck, regardless of whether they're from the left or the crazy-left.
We're not letting go of our guns and the people that could possible take them, I mean POSSIBLY take them are the ones that want us to have them the most.
>>67553087
Doesn't really matter if you don't act on ideas.
TOOOO LONG;DR
wat does this even mean?
austrayas gonna get guns now or wat?
>>67552982
>>67552653
And i'm not even claiming that it was a false flag either.
I'm asking for what credible reason is there to have no trial for the bloke, a 30 year embargo on evidence and gag orders for media reporting on it?
How the fuck is that justice?
>>67553087
More like Age of Fedoras.
America also killed the hat. You're welcome.
>>67547817
>>67553347
his lawyer told him there was literally no point in going to court because of the farce it'll cause. He pleaded guilted.
>tfw uncle owns a Barrett M107 .50
If you like guns, just go through the hoops
we dont say this enough but australia is real based senpaitachi
>>67553884
>just go through the hoops
If you haven't noticed, the "slippery slope" is very real when it comes to the Left.
>>67553852
Straw purchases are a federal crime.
unless you are eric holder then its just fine.
>>67553852
Only thing i support is better mental health, everything else is obvious bullshit.
What do you think of port arthur?
>>67553884
Actually, the government confiscated his million dollar assets before he was convicted to give it to the victims. This resulted in him being unable to hire a proper lawyer and having a public defender.
At the very least it shows some level of corruption and miscarriage of justice for a mentally ill man.
Care to explain this?
>At a recent Forensics Seminar in Queensland where the Tasmanian Police forensic gun inspector, Gerard Dutton, gave a lecture, the first question came from Mr Ian McNiven. He asked if there was any empirical evidence to link Martin Bryant to the Broad Arrow Cafe. Sargent Dutton immediately closed the 15 minute question time and would not reply. When McNiven managed to say "I have here Graham Collyer's police statement...", Sgt Dutton threatened him with arrest and called for security agents to escort McNiven out of the building. When Dutton was asked the same question in America by a Doctor at an American seminar, he replied truthfully - "There is no empirical evidence to link Bryant to the cafe".
Where the fuck is the DNA evidence. Why is there a 30 year embargo on evidence?
There's no reason not to show that evidence to the public, other than something being hidden.
>>67554467
http://southeastasianews.org/portarthur/inconsistencies.html
I would love to see these facts refuted, but they can't be, because of a 30 year embargo on evidence.
Apparently we're too dumb to see the forensics ourselves.
>>67554467
>What do you think of port arthur?
considering governments across the globe have been systematically disarming populations for decades, it doesnt surprise me that one event and a questionable one at the least, could eliminate such a basic human right as self preservation from an entire continent.
I dont know very much else about it.
I find it funny that the world has such a short term memory on "mass" shootings. when something happens the media plays the heartstrings of the people and stupid people take to the streets in tears to ban an object one nutter got ahold of instead of seeking alternatives. (implying the event wasnt engineered)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0F2uB__6ec
