>open a bible
>get to page 3
>talking snake
Wtf guys do you really believe a snake can, a). talk, b). is more intelligent than people, c.)has a malicious will of its own?The bible is a fairy tale, obv snakes do not talk
IT'S METAPHORICAL!!!!!!!
Because snakes are cool.
>>57363899
I see through your VPN, Australia.
>>57363899
religious people have the same logic as SJWs and liberals.
>>57363947
Then original sin never happened. Thanks for playing!
>>57363899
It's a serpent, supernatural shit does what it wants.
>>57363947
No its not
>>57363899
It's a Goa'uld. The whole Eden story is a parable warning humans not to trust symbiotes or people who carry them.
>>57363899
If you take the bible in an extraterrestrial context, it makes perfect sense.
>>57363899
BUILD WALL
Religious people are worse and are the lowest IQ.
Proof? Black people are hella religious. Sadly they don't know what their religion is about they just like to sing and dance and hear a black man say HALLELUJAH!!
Money Mayweather can't read, but he fights for Jesus.
>>57363899
>this thread again
Succhiami il cazzo marocchino di merda
>>57363899
hilary clinton does it every day
>go to church
>pastor steps up to the podium
>ok folks lets *phillip* to phillipians 6:9
>mfw
>>57363899
>he cant into parable
>>57364020
A snake is a serpent and lacks the vocal cords to speak.
How do Christians know that Genesis is true anyway?
That shit with Adam and Eve happened a long time ago. Who the fuck was there to know what happened and pass it on to future generations?
>>57363899
It was more in a symbolic sense, the bible is written in a form that is is relatively easy to understand by masses of people and thus uses visualisations.
>>57363947
American christians read the bible in a literal way.
They believe noah built an ark and put 2 of every creature on it.
Just because you never heard a snake talk you assume that snakes cannot talk ? How very narrow minded.
Just because you never had sex does it therefore follow that nobody ever had sex ?
>>57364134
>taking Bible stories literally
Only the dumbest of creationists and the dumbest of atheists do this.
>>57364091
>>57364089
Fuck, Poland, what's wrong with you? What's the weird language you are using?
>>57364219
Metaphorical as in none of it's true.
>>57363899
1) It's not a snake, that's a mistranslation. It's like a reptiloid.
2) It's a parable, dude. It means that women are fucking cunts who will listen to bullshit and believe it, and if you let them lead you'll be fucking sorry.
>>57364080
>hella
>>57364216
There is actual proof of humans having sex, you can see it on the internet right now.
There is no proof of snakes ever talking
>>57363899
God created everything, he can make absolutely anything he wants to happen, happen.
>>57364134
Because it's the word of God.
>>57364200
That's exactly what he did.
>>57364177
Yeah, I'm sure you're not just rationalizing your insane bullshit.
>>57364390
What does God sound like?
>>57364219
Doesn't Genesis have to be literal?
I thought the stories it contained were important to Christianity.
>>57363899
>Not reading further to understand that the snake is actually the Devil
>>57364452
>bahamas atheist poster
How is it you are in every single thread I ever post in on /pol/?
>>57364452
Like that guy from Metalocalypse.
>>57364390
> God created everything, he can make absolutely anything he wants to happen, happen.
How? By what mechanism or power is he using to create life?
>>57363947
Anthropomorphic characters in a story just shows how childish it really is
It was only until very recently(last 30 years) that it has been used to hide very dark and sinister as well as satirical messages.
In other words your Bible is literally made for retarded children
>>57364498
but how can a human hear the sounds of an extradimensional entity?
>I don't believe
Wait a sec, we might care in a while
>>57363899
>is more intelligent than people
Isnt the whole point that humans weren't granted knowledge until later, by Satan?
>>57364486
> Yes, a demon talking snake makes much more sense.
Where does satan get his powers? How is he able to make creatures talk?
>>57364429
[\:^)
>>57364510
Just his powers. He is the eternal creator, the architect of all things.
>>57364612
who created him? or her?
>>57363899
Why did god and the devil stop making cool shit like that happen?
>>57364612
That's not an explanation you're just saying he does it. I'm asking you how his powers work.
>>57364486
Not one theologian thinks this.
>>57364612
But how do you know this?
>>57364680
Suddenly because moralfags, despite not having to fear judgment.
>>57364698
Why must we know?
>>57363899
Next time make sure you have this handy guide with you when you read the bible. It helps a lot.
>>57363899
>talking snake
Dude, you didn't even read the whole story. Short story.
The snake also had arms and legs. It was essentially a lizard people. It was punished AFTER the incident to lose arms and legs and also could not talk afterwards.
>>57364680
I still see supernatural shit every now and then, remember that you lot are of the devil and lie about this issue, so that is why you are CLAIMING that there are no happenings
>>57364177
>>57364118
>>57363947
So how do you identify which parts of the bible is a parable/metaphor/etc and which parts is to be read as a lateral interpretation? If the bible is the divine word of god who the fuck is any man to make that decision?
It's a metaphor. You are Adam, the snake is your penis, Eve is a girl, and the apple is lesbianism. When Eve sees your penis she is so disgusted she becomes a lesbian.
>>57364727
>You are given dominion over the Earth and blah blah blah...
Probably because God said this.
>>57364727
That's how knowledge works.
![5bVXLSa[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9M1S2LS.jpg "5bVXLSa[1].jpg")
>>57364673
Nothing, God always has been by definition of him being God, this argument of 'LE WHO CREATED GOD' was put down nearly a millennium ago.
>>57364698
It's beyond my paygrade to know how God's powers work. Would you like to explain how gravity works? No, because we don't know that either, but people don't shitpost endlessly about gravity not existing strangely.
>>57364794
How does dominion over Earth and shit entitle me to know how God's power work?
>>57364774
No anon you are hallucinating, plz get help.
>>57364429
I think there is nothing more insane than thinking that everything is totally random - for example the universe created out of nothing without any first cause and then somehow planets form, the Earth with a surface of molten, radioactive lava. And then somehow conscious human beings from that? That this possibility even exists speaks in favour of a God.
>>57364833
No I am afraid I don't roleplay nor do I listen to roleplayers, you are of the devil
>>57364823
We dont how gravity works because we cant find the particle that causes gravity, all we know is that alot of mass causes noticiable gravity in an area in spacetime, gravity slowing down time is another weird unexplainable part of the fundamental force.
>>57364718
http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-serpent.html
>>57364823
but christians dont believe things just pop into existence. there has to be a designer or creator. so who created this current god?
>>57364874
Ok crazy guy.
>>57364823
>Would you like to explain how gravity works?
Yes I fucking would like to be able to.
>>57364829
>entitle
So you can have dominion over it? Duh?
>>57364865
>for example the universe created out of nothing without any first cause
Who said that? protip: nobody other than religitards trying strawman the other side.
>guys clearly a magic man creating the universe is a more sensible answer than 'we don't yet know'
>>57364928
I'm sorry if you are too fat and stupid to understand the LOGICAL argument that God had to have not been created but always had to have existed by definition. Not much I can do to help you with that.
Note that you are now arguing against the LAWS OF LOGIC instead of against religion.
>>57364922
>http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-serpent.html
>gotquestions
>>57364928
He was and is, he has never not existed, time is not a concept to him.
Checkmate atheists, we don't have to explain shit.
>>57364865
>not knowing that free will is an illusion
>not knowing about the multiverse
Enjoy your shitty old book.
>>57364823
> It's beyond my paygrade to know how God's powers work.
At least we're getting somewhere when you acknowledge the giant hole.
> Would you like to explain how gravity works? No, because we don't know that either, but people don't shitpost endlessly about gravity not existing strangely.
Although we don't know everything about gravity; we can confirm it's physical effects on the Universe. If your deity had as much evidence for existing it would be a complete different picture.
So far you're a deity that creates because it's a creator. You have no idea how or why it creates...nor do you have any evidence it even exists.
>>57364823
>God always has been
But then you're proving atheists right as you are saying that God has always been but in the beginning there was nothing so henceforth God came from something as there was a time when there was nothing it even says so on the damn book you covet.
>>57365005
Eternal existence is illogical, so God must have a creator.
>>57365005
Are you the same type of moron that claims that "the universe MUST have a first cause" despite all evidence to the contrary regarding cause and effect being an endless chain?
>>57364874
If you actually believe in demons than you need mental help.
>>57365049
B-BUT MUH SPECIAL PLEADING!!!!
>>57365049
>Eternal existence is illogical
>>57365005
There's nothing in logic that states anything outside our universe has ever existed. No place for your deity to hide.
>>57364764
Oooooooh shit that's right! It was a reptiallian! God damnit Icke was right
>>57365092
>>57365093
> Can't prove something can exist forever.
> Demands a being or entity exists forever.
Theist logic.
>>57365003
No, what I say is that it is unlikely that it set itself up. It is more sane to assume that there is a God behind it. Magic and man are both nonsense.
>>57363899
>>57363899
>>57363899
>snake can, a). talk,
A form of puppetry. Same how cartoon animals "talk." It is an illusion. The snake was real but the voice was from someone else puppeting it.
>>57363899
>b). is more intelligent than people
It is not. It was a powerful malicious spirit creature dubbed Satan. A former Cherub who rebelled and is now fallen.
>c.)has a malicious will of its own?
See above
>>57365093
Everything we know has a cause even freaking reality itself, so eternal existence is illogical.
>>57363899
You have far, far more important things to worry about than talking snakes and religious people, Italy. Almost half of the people globally believe that price floors do not create economic deadweight, and that subsidizing behaviors does not encourage them.
Which bothers you more, a fanciful depiction of zoology, or a fanciful depiction of fiscal policy?
>>57365228
>unlikely that it set itself up
Based off of what exactly? Your feelings?
> It is more sane to assume that there is a God behind it.
Yeah nah cunt. You have literally less than zero evidence to support your bullshit
>>57365248
Hi, how do two humans interbreed an entire population?
>>57364565
me cago enla puta tu mare maricon seguro k votas al pp
>>57363899
> the Bible tells you about God, angels and fallen angels
> beings of those power cannot take the form of a snake
>>57363899
hey its this thread again you atheists sure love to kiss ass if you have something that can disprove all religions I'm waiting to hear it if not shut that blow hole that you call a mouth
>>57365467
Mixing super powers are we? When did angels get the ability to become snakes?
>>57365382
>Based off of what exactly? Your feelings?
Based on my observations and rational
>Yeah nah cunt. You have literally less than zero evidence to support your bullshit
The possibility that life can exist in the complexity it does has a higher probability than everything existing from complete randomness which is absolutely absurd
>>57365478
It's likely all of the major world religions originate from 1 earlier religious book.
the torah and the bible start out with the same first 5 books
>>57365705
Yeah probably out of ancient Sumer or sumting
I have always been curious about when mankind had the cognitive ability to first start coming up with religion. Like how far back can we trace the oldest religion? It seems that around 4-6k bc things get shady
>>57363899
>implying this wouldn't be the first sentence uttered if snakes only happen to know how to speak.
>>57365647
> The possibility that life can exist in the complexity it does has a higher probability than everything existing from complete randomness which is absolutely absurd
Yeah and what probability of statics is that based off? Do you have a sample size of a none randomly forming universe as a control group?
The probability of life is low but the Universe is giant and rare events happen all the time. There's nothing that makes it look any more 'planned' then the weather or the rings around Saturn.
>>57365705
well that would make sense seeing as Judaism and Christianity are both Abrahamic religions maybe one day we will find that earlier religious book
>>57365647
>Based on my observations and rational
Oh cool didn't know you were as old as the universe... Can I see your birth certificate?
>The possibility that life can exist in the complexity it does has a higher probability than everything existing from complete randomness which is absolutely absurd
>I don't know therefore god
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance#Argument_from_incredulity.2FLack_of_imagination
Asking Christians about the nuances of Devine power or who created god is pretty dumb. There is no concise or satisfactory answer to "who created god". Its akin to asking "why exactly did the Big Bang happen?" And calling the science bunk because there's not a convinient or even possible answer. The way Hawking answers that question from a lay persons point of view is "it was an inevitability."
The way a divine power would work would surely escape the human comprehension. It would be like trying to explain astrophysics to a sea sponge. That's why there are people who dedicate their lives to studying scripture and still get no where close to these answers.
All that being said if you truly believe in the Christian god you are incredibly deluded and probably a retard.
>>57364823
That fucking image, top kek
>A theory defines something based on assumptions
>everything following MUST concur with the assumption
Exactly the way most christians argue, if it's not in their own head it simply can not be. If you can't comprehend whats wrong with his reasoning in your image there you really can't be argueing over logicality.
Also gravity can be measured friendo, it's how we KNOW it exists, how do we measure god? :)
>>57365194
Fucking this
Also
>the universe is too complicated to be created by randomness or itself
>let s put an even more complicated entity with the same properties creating it !
Okham's razor's a bitch
well,a snake talked to harry so yeah,snakes can talk
>>57364091
Underrated post.
>>57365545
>Mixing super powers are we? When did angels get the ability to become snakes?
Puppetry>>57365248
>>57365421
>>57365421
They were genetically perfect humans. Their first children were close to genetic perfection unlike us, today, who are very genetically deteriorated. The first humans before the flood lived for centuries. During the pre-Flood period, the life span approached a thousand years. (Ge 5:5-29) The people closer to man’s original perfection enjoyed greater longevity than those farther removed from it. The longest life on record is that of Methuselah, who lived 969 years. After the Flood, the human life span dropped rapidly.
>>57365545
> Mixing super powers are we?
Really?
> When did angels get the ability to become snakes?
When was there a list of angels powers? Anyway, if you read the Bible you will see they can take the more diverse forms (many of them looking like mixed animals) then yes they can take forms of animals.
>>57364718
>the Old Testament
>having the concept of a Devil / Satan / punishing Hell as it's generally understood by Christians today
OI MATE I AM LAFFIN
>>57365357
best post this fucking week anon
>>57363899
>people living a millennium
wut
This is impossible.
>>57364575
> Where does satan get his powers?
He is a fallen angel.
> How is he able to make creatures talk?
There are two ways: I usually favor that he took the form of the serpent, but he could also have used puppetry as another anon said.
People on Ayahuasca / DMT often report seeing "cosmic serpent" type creatures.
>>57366089
>humans lived for centuries
What nonsense, no human can live that long naturally. Its just another metaphor for jews explaining why they werent immortal or something.
>>57366215
Pretty sure the fallen angel story is a mistranslation and not in the bible.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread35336/pg1
you're as dumb as a brick
if this is the glorious, the mighty, intellectual front of atheism, then we have a cakewalk ahead of us
>>57366335
Says the cunt talking to himself
>>57366009
The equivalent question to "Who created the universe?" would be "Who created lighting?" Why on earth would people think a natural event needed to be orchestrated? This goes against everything we know of nature.
>>57366050
>the laws of logic are wrong xDDDDDD now lets smoke weed
>Also gravity can be measured friendo
Yes but we don't know it's mechanisms, only the laws that define it. try again.
>>57366215
> He is a fallen angel.
Seems like he also has free will now.
> There are two ways: I usually favor that he took the form of the serpent, but he could also have used puppetry as another anon said.
So now angels can shape shift and do ventriloquism. The most logical answer is "Satan was a villain in a story."
>>57365930
>Yeah and what probability of statics is that based off?
I mean it is more plausible.
>The probability of life is low but the Universe is giant and rare events happen all the time. There's nothing that makes it look any more 'planned' then the weather or the rings around Saturn.
That the possibility exist at all that life (especially self-conscious life can exist) derives from dead material, is greater than 0 makes it plausible that God exists.
>>57366386
>Why on earth would people think a natural event needed to be orchestrated? This goes against everything we know of nature.
We never see a nature create itself. All nature does is reproduce itself, which begs the question of who or what gave nature its nature and its power to reproduce itself.
>>57364244
that's italian for "suck my dick you sandnigger piece of shit"
>>57366481
Show us observable and verifiable evidence that your deity exists in this world at the same level of gravity.
>>57366363
I responded to OP
>>57366499
Angel and fallen angels(demons) have powers beyond what humans have. To suggest that they cannot shapeshift when they can possess people and manipulate matter is not much of a stretch.
>>57366588
You didn't. You were talking to yourself.
>>57366549
> All nature does is reproduce itself, which begs the question of who or what gave nature its nature and its power to reproduce itself.
No reason to think a 'who' was ever involved. We can't see based everything being in the same spot so we may never know.
>>57366595
>if u use ur imagination then everything conveniently has an answer that u can't disprove
>>57366617
I hope a snake bites you in the ass for shitposting
given that you live in australia it's not unlikely lmao
>>57366299
>>57366299
>>57366299
There are animals and plants that can live for centuries. The possibility of a long lifespan beyond 100 is not farfetched. Animals and plants do this all the time. The question is WHY can't humans NO LONGER live that long anymore.
At the time, before the flood, the earth was a huge hyperbaric chamber that used to block out all radiation from space and from the sun. This kept man's cells from deteriorating rapidly.
>>57366677
says the cunt with 666
>>57365035
You are looking for evidence of the supernatural using natural means. You're never gonna get anywhere sir.
>>57366668
>demons possessing people is just my imagination
Go play with a ouija board smartass
>>57366693
>The question is WHY can't humans NO LONGER live that long anymore.
I'm sorry mr ass-backwards, but you're going to have to prove that humans lived longer than 100 years (on average) well before that bullshit can be answered
>>57366553
If the world was not formed by a Supreme Intelligence then it would not be intelligible. The fact that the world can be intelligibly perceived proves that it was formed by an intelligence. If the beginning of things is a formless primordial chaos all we would see now is formless, unintelligible chaos, because order cannot arise out of chaos. QED
>>57366737
Why would I? Ouija board manifestations are just as imaginary as demons
>>57366518
> I mean it is more plausible.
Based on what? I find it highly unplausible and there's no data on the entire subject. You need a sample size bigger than one to form probability.
> That the possibility exist at all that life (especially self-conscious life can exist) derives from dead material, is greater than 0 makes it plausible that God exists.
The material wasn't dead; it was never alive until it became animated. Life on this planet says nothing about a deity. It does however make a good case that thoughts need a physical brain to happen.
>>57366756
Cool word salad. Want to provide any evidence for your drivel?
>>57366693
>At the time, before the flood, the earth was a huge hyperbaric chamber that used to block out all radiation from space and from the sun. This kept man's cells from deteriorating rapidly.
>>57363899
It gets better. There's also a talking donkey and talking bush and a dude who lives instead of a giant fish
>>57366668
>>if u use ur imagination then everything conveniently has an answer that u can't disprove
"I'm just going to discard any logical explanation that doesn't support my position."
>>57366779
Then why not do it? You scared? :^)
>>57366812
>logical
yeah I'm going to have to stop you there friendo.
Making shit up and saying "oh yeah that must be the answer cos its wot i reckon" is far from logical.
>>57366818
Because I'm not 12.
>>57366595
Since there are no beings that can shapeshift or manipulate matter it makes the entire angel thing a stretch. You just keep adding on to the list of super powers.
>>57365970
>Oh cool didn't know you were as old as the universe... Can I see your birth certificate?
I do not need to observe the universe from its creation, the observation of the result is sufficient.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance#Argument_from_incredulity.2FLack_of_imagination
Well, either universe has its origin in God or it is totally random. The world we see cannot be created by randomness, a self-conscious being cannot come into existence from molten lava and radioactivity (early stage of Earth). In the physical world everything must have its cause and effect. It does not make scientific, logical or rational sense to assume that the world has always existed. There must be a beginning and the only beginning can be something that is above the material world, thus God.
>>57366552
Okay, that sounds fair to me, proceed
Who created god?
>>57363899
Do you really believe the creation myth is the most important part of Abrahamic religions? I mean come on dude God created everything in six days, five of which occurred before there was anyone around to observe or document time. Put yourself in the shoes of Abraham: How do you describe the creation of the universe to a bunch of backward as fuck semitic tribesmen that couldn't stop killing eachother and fucking camels long enough to establish a formal government?
>>57366727
The supernatural is a word people created to mean "I can't prove it."
>>57366877
Prove that ouija board manifestations are not real. Go buy one and play with one since you are 100% sure that nothing will happen. You wont though because you are afraid that demons are real.
>>57366915
>I do not need to observe the universe from its creation, the observation of the result is sufficient.
So the worlds greatest minds have looked at the evidence (and a lot more evidence than you or I are privy to) and the only answer they've got so far is 'we don't yet know'... but you know for sure?
I'd like to read your peer-reviewed paper. Can you link to it?
>or it is totally random
>le randum maymay
>>57366933
God is above the physical world and has always existed.
>>57366933
Super god
The bible is THE best book for kekolds like me
>>57366693
Biologist/ecologist here
the answer to why we cant live long is our DNA telomers. look it up im too lazy
mathematical ecological models have shown human populations are most successful when they die around 70 because thats the point average organ and body damage renders them less productive and more needy
>>57366803
Sure, look outside and see that the world is divided into clear, intelligible forms - clouds, trees, animals, etc. All of these are evidence of a Supreme Intelligence.
>>57363899
>Italy
>Using mickey mouse and not mario.
>>57366970
>Prove that ouija board manifestations are not real.
Burden of proof is on you to show that it is real, not the other way around.
> Go buy one and play with one since you are 100% sure that nothing will happen.
I'm not going to waste money on something I know is a load of horseshit.
>You wont though because you are afraid that demons are real.
I'm really not.
Is this the best you can do?
>>57367045
>All of these are evidence of a Supreme Intelligence.
lol. A cloud requires supreme intelligence? Fucking righto.
Do you have any actual proof or just "I don't know therefore god"?
>>57367045
Reality being complicated has to do with the laws of physics.
>>57366915
literally the only thing we dont dont where it came from is the singularity before big bang, the rest doesn't need divine intervention
>>57367060
So you KNOW its a load of horseshit but youve never played with one?
How very scientific of you, Mr atheist.
>>57366877
>>57366877
>>57366877
It would be very anti-science and arrogant of you to discard the existence extra-terrestrial life and that humans are the only sentient beings in the universe. It would also be narrow-minded to believe that all life in the universe is organic and that silicon-based lifeforms like Autobots and Decepticons don't exist.
Angels and demons are neither organic nor silicon. They are non-corporeal. They are extra-dimensional. They are the equivalent of the Q and Prophets on Star Trek. Extra-dimensional non-corporeal beings. Beings of that magnitude would be capable of feats beyond our imagination seeing how they live in dimensions above our limited 3D point of view.
>>57366756
> If the world was not formed by a Supreme Intelligence then it would not be intelligible.
Nice assertion care to back it up by first proving Intelligence can exist outside a physical brain?
> The fact that the world can be intelligibly perceived proves that it was formed by an intelligence.
Intelligence.took a long time to get here and that it's not very necessary as far as evolution is concerned. Our ability to perceive does not add or detract from the claim of a deity.
> If the beginning of things is a formless primordial chaos all we would see now is formless, unintelligible chaos, because order cannot arise out of chaos. QED
Order arises out of chaos all the time. That's why we have snowflakes, solar systems and sand dunes. You need nothing but the natural forces to create all we see. Your deity never even enters the picture.
>>57367127
jesus christ cunt...
Do you need to go stick your head into lava to know it's hot?
Actually, you probably would. Daft fuck.
>>57367150
4D and above is hypotheical.
>>57367150
>It would be very anti-science and arrogant of you to discard the existence extra-terrestrial life and that humans are the only sentient beings in the universe
That's nice... I have never done that.
Keep being a retard though.
holy fuck the rest of your drivel is post-autismal.
How do you even put your pants on in the morning?
>>57367177
No youre right you should know not to fuck with a oujia board.
:^)
>>57367045
Order is not the product of intelligence. Just ask any messy college student. 90-degree angles and other structures are proof of design. We have no evidence within the universe of any plan.
>>57367127
You really believe a piece of wood with numbers and letters added has magical powers? Scientists have done tests and experiments with them over the years and came to the conclusion they are bullshit. Just google the damn experiments
>>57363899
You haven't reach the part with the talking bush yet.
>>57367299
If the demons you believe in are so piss-weak they need some cunt with a piece of cardboard to summon them, they mustn't be that scary.
>>57366791
>Based on what? I find it highly unplausible and there's no data on the entire subject. You need a sample size bigger than one to form probability.
Nope, because empiricism =/ rationalism
I do not need emperical data to calculate the sum of 1 + 1.
> Life on this planet says nothing about a deity.
It does, because life, especially the human brain is the most complex thing on Earth. The possibility for this cannot be derived from randomness.
>>57363899
>tfw atheist but realize that Christianity instilled and reinforced many social norms conducive to optimizing human intelligence and a thriving society
>>57367150
I get that extra-dimensional things can exist, what makes you think prophets where one of them and not some schizo crazies who were charismatic?
>>57367447
[citation needed]
>>57366118
Our country is being fucked in the ass and here you are discussing powerlevel about your favorite manga, go to work you fucking monkey, are you from northeast that you get the leisure of doing nothing the whole day?
>>57367222
>>57367222
>>57367222
It's only hypothetical because we cannot prove it directly however it is proven mathematically. Our limited existence doesn't allow us to go beyond our limited existence. Same how a 2D being cannot prove the concept of space because of being stuck in a 2D existence but they can on a chalkboard. See String Theory
>>57363899
Old testament comes from the Torah.
The kikes are literally behind this.
>>57367373
Look man I used to be an atheist but ive seen some shit. You can refuse to believe all you want but just try fucking with some occult majick and see where it gets you. I would advise against it though.
>>57367004
>So the worlds greatest minds
Almost all world's greatest minds actually worshipped God.
>but you know for sure?
Yes, absolutely, there is no doubt that God exists. Randomness is absurd and not plausible.
>I'd like to read your peer-reviewed paper. Can you link to it?
Just use your rational thinking, you do not need a peer-reviewed paper to calculate 1+1, do you?
>>57367395
> Nope, because empiricism =/ rationalism
Mother fucker how did you get a probability of statistics on how likely life formed with no other actual samples? At least admit you made the whole thing up.
> I do not need emperical data to calculate the sum of 1 + 1.
Great now do some simple math for yourself. What is 1+ 0?
> It does, because life, especially the human brain is the most complex thing on Earth.
Your liver is just as complex as your brain. You're biased and give too much value on it. Complexity also has nothing to do with intelligence: simplicity does.
> The possibility for this cannot be derived from randomness.
Your brain didn't come from randomness. Its one of many in a long line of brains. It's not proof of a deity in any shape or form.
>>57367449
>what makes you think prophets where one of them and not some schizo crazies who were charismatic?
The Bible shows actually both prophets of God and charismatic crazies(false prophets). They were actually very easy to tell apart. The true prophets always had bad news and judgement. The false prophets always came with GOOD news and ear tickling. The true prophet never foretold simply to satisfy human curiosity. Every prediction related to God’s will, purpose, standards, or judgment. (1Ki 11:29-39; Isa 7:3-9) Often the future events foretold were the consequence of existing conditions; as the people sowed, so they would reap. The false prophets lulled the people and their leaders with soothing assurances that, despite their unrighteous course, God was still with them to protect and prosper them. (Jer 23:16-20; 28:1-14; Eze 13:1-16; compare Lu 6:26.)
>>57364865
Where did God come from anon? What is the origin of the greatest being? Please tell me desu.
>>57367567
>implying your decision to worship a god depends on anything but your childhood brainwashing/or lack of
>>57367475
> Our country is being fucked in the ass
...especially because we left Christian morality, my fellow monkey.
> go to work
> doing nothing
> while posting in the same thread
Then what the hell are YOU doing here? Go fuck yourself.
>>57367567
They had no choice but to believe in God or the retards would kill them.
>>57367555
>but ive seen some shit
Right... and where can I see proof of anything supernatural?
I 'see shit' as well... Like jackets hanging over a cupboard that looks like a person when the lights off, doesn't mean it is.
>not being volk
>>57367447
Ancient greeks, romans egyptians, ( wich knowledge christianity literrally burned when it opposed their beliefs) babylonians, mayans, chinese, etc
Are laughing at you
>>57367567
> Almost all world's greatest minds actually worshipped God.
Almost all the world's greatest minds didn't know germs existed.
> Yes, absolutely, there is no doubt that God exists. Randomness is absurd and not plausible.
Randomness happens all the time; your deity not so much.
> Just use your rational thinking, you do not need a peer-reviewed paper to calculate 1+1, do you?
Math is not empirical. You can build universes and infinities that don't actually exist. Nor does basic concepts like 1+1 have anything to do with deities.
>>57367567
>Almost all world's greatest minds actually worshipped God.
And? What the fuck does that have to do with the answer to the origin of the universe being 'we don't yet know'?
> Randomness is absurd and not plausible.
"I don't know therefore god" / "I can't see how x could be true, therefore god"
>Just use your rational thinking
I'm waiting for you to start...
>>57364390
>That's exactly what he did.
So two kangaroos hopped all the way to Australia?
>>57367555
Magnetic fields cause hallucinations.
The only way I could believe the bible is if I took as some ancient astronaut type book.
Virgin birth. Maybe artificial insemination?
Noah's arc. Maybe a DNA type lab? Two of each animal would be possible.
Jonah and the whale. Maybe a submarine type craft? The people back then wouldn't know it's a submarine so they'd describe it as a giant fish
Plus Ezekiel and his wheel within a wheel and how he went up in a beam of light into this wheel within a wheel for awhile.
>>57367741
> civilizations who died
> civilizations who collapsed
> actually using mayans as example
No anon, you are the joke.
>>57367845
Judean society fell many times.
>>57366933
Men.
>>57363899
Serpent, not a snake, faggot.
>>57367045
I always see this line of thing - not just from creationists, but from everyone. However, when it's used to justify an argument it's quite upsetting.
"The universe is beautiful."
"The universe is so complex that an intelligent being had to make it."
"The universe is chaotic."
Think any of these are valid statements? Let me blow your fucking mind.
You have no basis of comparison.
You have nothing with which to compare reality. Reality is all you know.
You have not experience a plane of existence that was ugly compared to the universe. You have not experienced a 'simple' reality. You have experienced this and only this universe, and everything you use to make your judgement of it is occurring inside it. You cannot compare everything you know to something else, because you know nothing else by definition. Beauty is a relative term, complex is a relative term, every adjective is relative, and so you are just a small collection of particles spewing forth incomprehensible nonsense which actually doesn't mean a thing.
>>57367620
>Mother fucker how did you get a probability of statistics on how likely life formed with no other actual samples? At least admit you made the whole thing up.
Plausibility =/ Proability
>Your liver is just as complex as your brain. You're biased and give too much value on it. Complexity also has nothing to do with intelligence: simplicity does.
Well, the brain is the simplest form of how it can be achieved, it is extremely economically and efficient while being complex at the same time. It allows us having self-consciousness and to think. This cannot be the result of mere randomness. Big bang --> Million degrees celsius, radioactivity --> Planets form with radioactive molten lava surface --> Planet cools down --> Et voila human beings with consciousness who can rationalize.
>Your brain didn't come from randomness. Its one of many in a long line of brains. It's not proof of a deity in any shape or form.
It certainly is. Why does the possibility that this can happen at all exist? Why do the elements the world consists of allow something like this to be developed?
>>57363899
>>57367663
God is above the physical world and has always existed.
>>57367903
> Judean society fell many times
Being occupied doesn't mean actually dying. The judean society, culture and customs kept existing even when they were under foreign rule.
>>57363899
It's a metaphor most of the Old Testament isn't historical. The good stuff is all found in the new testament.
>>57368046
Ignore the christians, they are like stupid people that think lightning is magic just because they cant understand it, all christian logic is hurr durr god did it because I cant understand it.
>>57367567
Randomness is absurd but not a magical sky thing that created this huge universe?
How would he possibly make a universe from scratch?
>>57364680
jesus christ showed you how to live ... the end no more miracles
>>57368164
>Ignore the christians, they are like stupid people that think lightning is magic just because they cant understand it, all christian logic is hurr durr god did it because I cant understand it.
>>57368107
Despite the protest against Hellenization they still adopted concepts and reformed their culture/religion at different eras. The rest of their history consisted of being occupied again and after the many times of being jewed from their Jewland they migrated away from their failed society.
Jews are the definition of a people from a failed civilization.
Even Christian scientists bealive in evolution. But they bealive that "god" made the evolution happen.
>>57368097
But something so powerful can't come from nothing baka!
>>57368219
How could the world come into existence without a God? You have no explanation for that. It cannot have existed for all time either because in a physical world everything must have its cause and effect.
>>57368055
But that's not how it happened. It was billions of years of evolution.
>>57368358
Physical laws do not apply to God.
>>57368366
Please go to school and learn how the earth was created. It to ok thousands of years. And you bealive it was made in 6 days? Just beacuse you cant understand something you think it has to be God
>>57363899
Do you really think a goat managed to seduce mahommet? no he was just a zoophile
qoran is a fraud too
>>57368413
But that's a bitch ass cop out based on no evidence at all, sempai.
>>57364897
black holes do not exist darkmatter does not exist. but hold on we will get that sorted with multiple universe theory
you believe blindly what some labcoats say and in the end the joke is on you
People are only Christian beacuse they think they will be punished if they not bealive in god. And dont say if you are not Christian how will you know whats right and wrong? Laws and a fcking brain
>>57368055
> Plausibility =/ Proability
In other words you have no math and instead just say shit because someone else told you.
> Well, the brain is the simplest form of how it can be achieved, it is extremely economically and efficient while being complex at the same time. It allows us having self-consciousness and to think
The simplest form would have been no brain like the vast majority of life and even multi-celled organisms. Brain power as I have said before doesn't get picked very much in nature. You praise what you have now because its the abilities that you yourself have. I'm happy for the brain that I have but you're deluding yourself if you think our consciouses proves a deity. If anything the sheer rareness of sentient beings should sho case how unlikely it is for it to exist outside a physical brain.
> Big bang -->
13.5 billion years ago.
> Million degrees celsius, radioactivity -->
For millions of years there was nothing as hydrogen pulled together from gravity. The lights turn on as stars form.
> Planets form with radioactive molten lava surface --> Planet cools down -->
Two generations of solar systems have to be destroyed as their stars go supernova forming the elements we need for life.
> Et voila human beings with consciousness who can rationalize.
After four point five hundred million years of life we get a few species with brains that can think. Stop trying to throw billions of years under the bus. There is nothing random about our brains. It took billions of years and lots of deaths for it to form the way it is now.
>>57368345
> Despite the protest against Hellenization they still adopted concepts and reformed their culture/religion at different eras.
Which concepts you are referring? If you mean minor stuff such as adopting the end of year festivities, it doesn't mean that their culture stopped existing. In fact even the Bible NT talked a bit about it. But their core beliefs and identity exists even today.
>>57368413
>>57368097
Show me the evidence for these two claims?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
>>57368366
By the laws of nature. The heavy elements that exploded from the supernovas became rocky planets.
If you mean how did the universe come to be...well we can't see any further back than the big bang. So we're stuck not knowing. Cause and effect is a temporal phenomena that happens only after time and space are formed.
>>57368460
No, I believe that the universe was created as science describe it, I do not even believe in the old testament. What I say is that the only plausible explanation for the creation of the universe is God.
>>57368677
How dare you question his special pleading
>>57368164
>Forgets Christians Created University's
oh i'm laughin"
>>57368725
And you based the plausibility on what? Do you have any other examples of deities creating universes?
>>57368346
> bealive
>>57368460
> It to ok
> bealive
> beacuse
>>57368592
> beacuse
> bealive
> fcking
Are you on mobile? Not that it excuses but it's more understandable.
>bealiving in someone who created the whole universe accually care about what the fuck you do
>>57368786
Dude leave him alone. Lets see how your spelling is when you grew up in Africa
>>57368786
Yes i am
>>57368550
>>57368677
Everything in a physical world must have a cause and effect. Thus, the world cannot have existed for eternity and it also cannot have its first cause in itself. Therefore, the only possible explanation is something that is above the laws of the physical world and this is God.
>>57368828
EMU
>>57368779
Do you have any experiments of the big bang?
>>57368846
>Therefore, the only possible explanation is something that is above the laws of the physical world and this is God.
>>57368592
Catholics believe in rewards and punishment by God, Protestants believe only in the grace of God
>>57368677
First law of thermodynamics
>The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed.
>>57367788
what are boats
>>57368934
Is logic to hard for you?
>>57363899
>>57363947
>Part of the bible is obviously impossible
Christfags: It's a metaphor!
>Part of the bible is not obviously impossible
Christfags: It's literally true word of god!
>Said part of the bible is later shown to be impossible
Christfags: It was a metaphor the entire time!
Yeah no christfags, fuck off with this goalpost moving bullshit. Unless you can show me an older source stating precisely which parts of the bible are metaphor and which parts are literal I will always see it all as an insane rationalization.
>>57368898
Yeah. Google the Large Hadron Collider
>>57368996
>>57368846
> Everything in a physical world must have a cause and effect.
Except that this is un-true. Quantum mechanics has events happen all the time with cause and effect. Stop applying your own values not only to the Universe but before time.
> Thus, the world cannot have existed for eternity and it also cannot have its first cause in itself.
How do you know? Can you see before the big bang? It could be that there never was a cause or it goes on forever. You're still trying to apply temporal to before time.
> Therefore, the only possible explanation is something that is above the laws of the physical world and this is God.
It's your only possible explanation because seemingly you have a shitty imagination. Not only is this a false dichotomy but it's not how logic works. Being unable to prove X does not prove Y.
>>57368637
And you wouldn't say Roman/Greek culture survived today? The Chinese are still around, despite their Communist government.
Francebro was pointing out civilizations which changed the way society is, and their actions being here even today. It's not just the Jews that reformed society to their laws. The commandments are merely just regurgitated concepts from Mesopotamia.
>>57368572
what if I tell you that you can become a labcoat too and figure it out by yourself?
>here, watch this miracle yourself
said no christian ever
>>57368779
>And you based the plausibility on what? Do you have any other examples of deities creating universes?
If there is only one possible explanation for the creation of the universe, then one must not think further. God is the only possible explanation.
>>57369003
Yeah, nowhere did it say they conducted a test with nothing and produced something
this op is one of my favorite bait posts
always laugh when i see that mickey face
>>57368898
You can actually see the red shift taking place in every galaxy but Andromeda. All objects in every direction are moving away at the speed of light. At a certain point we can conclude that it was all together. Which is what we see when we look back in space.
>>57368996
>All Christians are one person
>>57369102
>>57369113
> If there is only one possible explanation for the creation of the universe, then one must not think further.
There are an infinite amount of ways the universe could have came to be.
> God is the only possible explanation.
Not only is this not true but your deity doesn't seem to be the most likely answer.
>>57368984
YOUR logic is incredibly hard for me.
Actual logic is quite easy.
Is having brain cells hard for you?
>>57369175
Theists have some pretty strange views. Yours don't seem so different as your main argument is the argument from ignorance.
>>57369173
http://www.zmescience.com/science/study-universe-big-bang-10022015/
