How does Trump plan to make more jobs whilst cutting public spending?
He keeps saying how jobs jobs jobs will come, and I hope so, but they aren't something magical he can make fall out of the sky -- especially with reduced public spending.
I really don't give too many fucks about US elections (I am no shill or whatever), but can someone explain where these magic jobs will come from? Sweden has high unemployment and I'd love to take his plans if they are going to be as easy as you all believe
>>66630609
You are implying that only government can make jobs. He's basically going to make it harder for companies to outsource jobs from America.
Making companies hire within their country they operate in will allow jobs ton be created.
>>66630609
He means lots of factory jobs that are American owned but are built in other countries for cheap labor will come home so that they can hire Americans instead of foreigners
He will make foreign cheap labor have a tax so it doesn't pay off for American companies to take their business outside of USA
>>66630762
>>66630811
He will never stop manufacturing from leaving or get it back. Companies must compete on a global market. To stay competitive, companies need NEED the cheap labor. Apple does more sales in China than in the US.You want to see the US economy dry up? It's called competitive advantage. This is why education us so important in the west. Our dumb dumb wrench turning jobs are being replaced by technical jobs and service jobs. Nobody is brining manufacturing back without massively lowering our wages and standard of living so that we can compete with 3rd world shitholes.
You Trump fans are fucking delusional.
That format is wrong. It should be
Donald Trump, POTUS
Legendary creature -- human.
>muh jobs
hopefully trump understands the economy better then muh jobs
>>66630762
>>66630811
Do you really think that will work? There is no way that the cheap manual labor jobs will go back to the US, unless the tax is *so* damn high that it would never pass. And then companies would just lie about their number of workers.
Even if they somehow did get the factories back, I imagine the pay would be pretty shit, so much so that those "workers" would still be needing to take benefits out.
>>66631103
>being this autistic
I love this board
>>66631281
But Trump said on his "repeal obamacare" page about how the best thing for America and it's economy is jobs. What he lacks to say is where these jobs are from.
Not to mention that all these factory workers will be on Medicare because the factory owners don't pay enough to buy healthcare lol
>>66631289
The tax is on imported goods. Doesn't matter how many workers were employed in making it wherever it was made.
And no, if you're working full time you won't qualify for most forms of assistance.
>>66631486
All the people that are unemployed are on Medicare and welfare right now
Speaking from experience I have free healthcare get a check and stamps all because I lost a job last year
I get paid more than when I had a job
>>66631508
How big will the import tax be? How do they plan to keep it monitored? Will they try to do stupid shit like Europe where we have to pay duty and huge fees when we import shit? If they don't, what's to stop a company from fully moving to China and selling direct to customers?
>if you're working full time you won't qualify for most forms of assistance.
So as long as you're working 40+ hours a week, you won't get aid when your wages still end up below the poverty line?
There is a reason why most Americans pay no income tax...
I just don't get why his plans sound so anti-freedoms and yet freedoms at the same time. At least he hopefully isn't a chronic liar like Hilarity.
>>66631713
He will tariff manufactured goods and services.
>>66631713
He wants a free market but he wants it fair if another country charges us then we charge them
>>66631080
He can bring them back through leveraging the military.
He can make US goods more competitive in South Korea, and forcing companies that exported work there to bring it back.
The Koreans refuse?
Guess who pulls military support?
>>66631103
Further, you don't "summon" a token, you put it into play.
Probably better text:
Legendary Creature - Human President
Your opponent cannot activate mana sources while you have priority.
(3): Put a 0/3 Wall token with Defender, Protection from non-White creatures, and Indestructible into play. You may tap up to three untapped lands target opponent controls. If you do, reduce the mana cost of this ability by (1) for each land tapped this way.
>>66631713
>how big will it be
Big enough to create jobs by allowing American labor costs and EPA regulations to compete with foreign labor costs and lack of safety and environmental regulation.
>how do they plan to monitor it
They can't smuggle Wal-Mart's entire inventory into the US undeclared.
>will it be like Europe where we have to pay huge fees on imports
Yes. That's the point, to get you to buy domestic products.
>what's to stop a company from moving to China
Are you retarded? They're already in China
>and selling directly to customers
That's not how tariffs work. Whoever imports it pays the tax,be it you or the store. The stores can't afford to eat the cost, so they mark up the product allowing domestic products to compete.
Unfortunately the poverty line isn't the assistance line. If you have kids you can get food and housing assistance, but outside of that you're ducked.
>anti freedoms
At worst he's status quo on shit both dems and rebublicans have already signed into play. Maintaining the status quo lets him look like he's advocating for security. Ideally he'd be against it, but it's ludicrous to crucify just trump for it when everyone but Sanders is for it as well.
>>66632067
>into play
Onto the battlefield.
Also, it shouldn't be red. And I continue to dispute president as a type.
>>66630609
What exactly are you trying to say? That cutting general federal spending will somehow deter economic growth, and thus, deter a growth in the job market? In regards to spending such as welfare and state healthcare, literally cutting is necessary since it actively harms the economy more than anything...
But generally what's required is private sector jobs to fulfil the role public sector jobs, and that's done by making it more attractive and lucrative to locally reinvest capital rather than forcing companies to move their infrastructure across seas.
>Sweden has high unemployment and I'd love to take his plans if they are going to be as easy as you all believe
And why is it Sweden has high unemployment? Well, perhaps it's the high tax rate universally for both income, goods and business, forcing almost the entire population to become reliant on their state welfare system and causing small and large business to struggle in the local market.
Your high minimum wage makes it virtually impossible to hire cheap labourers, and big business has to deal with hiring them but at the expense of raising the general cost of their products more so to compensate. This creates an expensive and stagnate economy where the youth populace has to both become dependent on the state's welfare scheme, and take on the heavier burden of looking after 3 two 1 the amount of retirees for every child of them.
All in all, the Swedish model is fucking stupid.
>>66631713
>How big will the import tax be?
Pretty sure Trump has stated exact numbers as examples before. 35% or 40%, something like that.
Protectionism isn't anything new and it sure creates more jobs than taking money from your own citizens to create government jobs does.
>>66632597
also not to mention that it's incredibly broken.
>during your upkeep tap 3 of your mana, make an indestructible, pro white dude.
He will devalue the Dollar which is the only option to make American companies competitive.
It's ironic since many Trump supporters are all about muh strong dollar muh strong currency muh spending power.
>>66632597
>>66632067
Oh, and that still doesn't prevent them from tapping lands to prevent you from doing so. When you activate that ability, you put in on the stack and then pass priority, they tap out and float the mana, pass it back to you, then if you don't do anything else the ability resolves.
That ability would never actually work ever.
>>66630609
>How does Trump plan to make more jobs whilst cutting public spending?
Government doesn't create jobs. Now get back in your cuck shed.
Op is a Sanders shill
>>66631080
Unfortunately, this
The only way to counterbalance this, short of the entire world agreeing that cheap labor is bad, is by adding tariffs to foreign goods. Which will just be a clusterfuck because it'll start a tariff war. Even if he does bring manufacturing jobs back American corporations will be outcompeted by foreign companies that employ cheap labor.
>>66630609
First off, the tax cuts and tax simplification.
Tax simplification has great benefits by cutting waste and inefficiency within the revenue system, which allows for higher tax revenues at the same rate of tax (lower administrative costs, and smaller amounts of tax lost to loopholes and intricacies which aren't noticed) and is much less restrictive on growth because the simplification allows less time and cost on accountancy and easier planning of future company growth.
Tax cuts on income, especially by the rate at which Trump proposes, frees up incredible amounts of capital to spend on the market, thereby helping the economy and producing jobs to service that free capital, be it with services or goods or other things. While it is predicated to lose an average $1 Trillion per year of revenue for the next ten years, the same economic analysts which found this also estimated that it was also produce 5 million full-time equivalent jobs.
Now, on to US trade internationally, regulations and corporation tax.
Regulations on industry by various agencies often put a brake on growth without much positive, and usually, as in the EU, end up creating great lengths of useless redtape for which the solution should rather be to highly reduce and condense it, or in many cases, destroy it all together. See the ban on high-powered kettles and toasters that the EU was going to bring out, before deciding it was a bad idea since Brexit.
Corporation tax is a tax not on the earnings and revenue of just the big companies and mega corps like Apple, Amazon, Walmart, etc, but every single company in the US that is incorporated and many that aren't, and that includes tiny operations.
So huge corporation tax does nothing but discourage smaller and medium businesses from existing, while big business is encouraged to fiddle their taxes and take their headquarters out of the US
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>>66632928
he has promised it a thousand times
why are you so eager to elect this fat jew liar?
>>66632774
Dollar being worth more is cool but it means nothing when you're not one of the few with those dollars
>>66630609
I would totally use that card in RWB control. Absolutely devastates opponent's mana. Even if Trump were an 0/1, he would be worth it.
>>66630609
stopping the influx of minority workers
>>66632758
Yeah, pro non-white indestructable is pretty broken. Make it a legendary token named The Great Wall of America and its good.
>>66630609
Mostly its about getting rid of free trade (mostly with China, but with other places as well) and putting tariffs on imports from places which practice currency manipulation and/or have shitty working conditions, removing the incentive for producers to build things overseas for sale in the USA, bringing manufacturing back to America. Plus those sweet sweet tariffs mean revenue for the Federal government without (directly, anyway) taxing any Americans.
>B-b-but the Chinese will just tariff OUR goods!
1. We don't export that much to China anyway. They have way more to lose in a trade war than we do.
2. Almost all of what we DO export to China is FOOD. You really think they won't blink first when for us its their shitty appliances and electronics and shit, but for them it's the goddamn FOOD that becomes more expensive?
And meanwhile, tariffs on Mexican goods will pay for the wall. That's how "Mexico will pay" btw.
>>66630609
>The Swede can't fathom how jobs can exist outside the public sector
Colour me surprised
>>66633276
Food tax is a double whammy. It increases the cost of living meaning wages for their factory workers has to increase, further hiking up the cost of their manufactured products.
>>66630609
First off, out governments aren't at all the same. We generally don't use taxes and public funds to create jobs, bc that's retarded.
One of the key ways is removing government controlled monopolies in businesses and modernizing the bidding process by allowing more freedom and accessibility to contracts.
A good example would be the crisis in Flint. Democrats want to go in with federal taxpayer dollars (unsustainable bandaid) and pay their own people (nepotism) contacts to fix the problem, meanwhile requiring a whole team of bureaucrats to be paid to oversee it. This wouldn't bring any new jobs to the city, it would only serve as another juicy govt contract for the city engineer and Hilary's democrat friends. TRUMP on the other hand would probably argue to allow an open bid on the contract to rebuild Flints sewer infrastructure, which would serve to bring in a wider variety of offers, solutions, as well as possible business from engineering firms from neighboring states (illinois, Ohio, Wisconsin Ect) an added kicker is that this open bidding process would ultimately provide a wider options of prices (and would probably lead to cheaper contracts).
One of the biggest thing that trump wants to do is remove the BS control the government has on many business (particularly healthcare...50 fucking non-competition monopolies, it's enough to make an economy go nuts) some businesses will have to large of a cost of entry into the market place to make this adaption relevant (like the airlines) but changing the way govt controls contracting in cities and bidding processes is a big step to opening up real job opportunities to regular middle class business owners
Not a shill, but an American citizen that wants to MAGA
>>66633250
hell if it just read "3: do nothing. you may use your opponent's mana to pay for this ability" it would still be busted
We will all work at the Trump hotels for 100k starting. Shit posting aside, >muh jobs
>>66633058
Now, on China. China is one of the US' major trading partners, and this was originally because the cost of labour there was basement level low.
That's not the whole case anymore, and wages in China have seen strong, constant growth, so that's bound to end eventually.
So what else happens?
Well, China also has a huge government stake in business within its borders, especially considering that it owns the banks and offers the loans, and has the ability to manipulate trade and their economy as they wish.
This leads to two things; Chinese currency manipulation, and ENORMOUS Chinese tariffs on imports coming from outside China which don't fall into certain categories, and sizable tariffs on those that do.
Currency manipulations means that, with an insanely weak currency, China makes its goods the most attractive deal for other countries that wish to import them, while dissuading companies within China from importing goods from other countries.
Trump's solution is to levy tariffs on Chinese goods, most likely by activating the World Trade Organisation provisions which slap immediate tariffs which account for the exact amount of currency devaluation, and while many pundits decry the alleged cost that this would have on American consumers, falsely assuming it is wholly an issue of wage rates, it is important to also look at the rest of the outcome from this action
By shifting the balance back to the center, companies are much more likely to be able to produce the goods within the US for prices that are only slightly greater, as there are reduced logistics costs, higher efficiency due to the highly educated western workforce, access to US investment and technological innovation (Chinese goods are highly labour intense because of lack of good production processes) , makes the higher wage rate a lesser issue
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>>66633733
You're a smart guy, I like what you're writing and where your heads at.
Here's a tip. If trump gets elected, buy American stocks (us companies still based in US) because once we drop our corporate tax rate, corporations won't be paying tax free on deficit spending, they'll be forced to pay more dividends which is going to creat a HUGE demand for our companies.
All in alI expect it to be a solid trade for me
>>66633733
And though the prices will slightly greater, the return of middle-class wage manufacturing jobs to the US (and the fact that western manufacturing jobs support two other jobs for each one of them) has a much more beneficial affect on general prosperity; the rise in the cost of goods is much lower than the rise in the disposable income afforded by new jobs, as opposed to the opposite scenario wherein consumer goods and the cost of living decreases, but the prevailing income falls with a reliance of a "Service" industry focused on low-wage, low-stability part time work that fits the definition of 'rent-seeking' to a tee.
For those who dispute this, and would like to believe that manufacturing industries can only prosper for countries with low or slave wages, or on high-wage high-tech low employment industry, let's look at Germany, both pre-refugee and pre-recession. As much as I hate to admit it, the German economy, focused most on manufacturing that fills a vast middle ground. It's not highly technical, the wages were great, and it doesn't require a PhD in whatever the fuck specialisation to get a job.
In great analogy and as shit as the EU is, Germany held a position that would be very close to what America could have under Trump; the EU has heavy tariffs on countries outside of it that don't form specific trade deals with them, and a huge native consumer population that can use up most of its production anyway. As much as I hate to admit it as a pro-Brexit brit, the rest of the EU including the UK fucked up by not getting in on that.
So it shouldn't be surprising that the German economy was one of the only ones that not only got through the recession fine, but part way through, actually cut income taxes.
>>66634198
Interesting tidbit about the German economy. I'm gonna have to do some research on that. Do you have an Econ degree or work in finance? just curious bud
>>66634070
>>66634317
Definitely agree on US stocks, and though penny-stocks are a meme, I'd look out for start ups in a Trump presidency.
Unfortunately I'm not in finance or Econ, just a late Mech Eng student who tends to read a lot, and looks like I'm getting pushed towards management with a lot of the extra econ reading and classes
>>66634730
Sounds like youre doing well for yourself. Congrats on the promotion, I certainly enjoyed reading your posts, well thought out and follows sound logic throughout. Good luck on brexit and in your future (as an American I'm all for you guys leaving...the fact that Europeans and especially the British aren't properly and fairly represented in the EU seems unfair to me)
>>66631486
Im a factory worker and my work provides insurance. Most do, even to illegal immigrants.
>>66631289
It is not only manual labor jobs which are being exported. Anything which does not require being there in person is going. Accounting, IT, purchasing, record keeping, expense processing, etc. If you can do it on a computer, it can go.
I have seen it first hand. Thousands of jobs just disappearing into India and Eastern Europe.
