>>56717399
>this is what commies actually believe
>>56717399
so true.......so many ppl died because of money...
>>56717399
There's nothing wrong woith a little depopulation.
>Amerifat logic
>all the wars we have caused? haha fuk yeeh
>peaceful communist nations kill some people for the betterment of the majority? so evil
One day they will all pay
>>56717399
Why do you hate 'Murica so much?
>>56717399
>>56717399
Whoops, I seemed to have dropped my facts everywhere. Be a good goy and ignore them, will you?
>>56717668
Not a single Jew on the religion step
Good goyim
>>56718260
10/10
people with money are evil
>>56718260
/thread
>>56718369
the bearded guy on the left is wearing a jew hat
>>56717668
>implying priests are rich or allied to the ruler and not pointing that medias have effectively replaced them, dictating norms and ethics.
>implying modern Marxists aren't spoiled kids of the bourgeoisie
Piss off commiefag
>>56718070
>Kill count of communism is in the millions
>Kill count of capitalism is pretty much every person that hasn't died from communism or from natural causes in the history of man
That argument isn't really smart m8
>>56718574
It's called a kippah you stupid goy.
>>56717868
According to the bible it's more of a ram than a cat
>>56718680
That's fucking stupid. Far more people have been killed in the name of communism than in the name of capitalism. The only time capitalism has been a motive for killing has been in the Cold War or revolutions.
That's like saying blue jeans are a cause of mass murder because countries in which men wore blue jeans happened to go to war. The jeans have nothing to do with the death count, same with capitalism having nothing to do with it.
>>56717868
>feudalism was harder on the masses than capitalism
Looking at France pre and post 1789 (19th century more precisely), I'm not so sure about that.
>>56717668
>One day they will all pay
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! So cute, a first worlder thinking he is part of the "oppressed". Keep working on your commie revolution, me and commissar Omar can't wait for some entitled kids to lick our boots.
>>56717668
>implying army aren't in the lowest poor person class. They don't make that much money family.
Number of deaths while America was under a capitalist regime: 2.5 million/year
Number of deaths while America was under a communist regime: 0 ever
I think the numbers speak for themselves.
>>56718369
The bag of money is the jew
>>56719462
America was never under a communist regime
Very clever!
>>56717399
>>56718680
>implying everything that isn't communism is capitalism.
No one was killed by anarchists, nationalists, religious nuts of every creed, or garden variety hatred/anger?
Who's argument lacks intelligence, friend?
>>56719011
>The only time capitalism has been a motive for killing has been in the Cold War or revolutions.
You obviously have no idea what capitalism is, and what it stands for.
The absolute base of capitalism is private property and capital accumulation. Therefore any crime that has been done in the name of increasing your property or your capital (armed robberies, burglaries, thefts etc) can be attributed to capitalism, and I'm damn sure that the vast majority of murders in the history of man had that as the basic reasoning.
>>56718797
It's the expression fat cats
>>56717399
>american flag
>literally never experinced communism
>never lived in a communist country
>stay in the USA and not moving to North Korea or some South-American banana republic
>>56719855
are you seriously trying to compare the people killed by nutjobs & terrorists with the people that have been killed in the unstoppable urge of man to amass more property?
And even IF that number is that big, who is to say that those millions in >>56718070's pic can't be attributed to the same number?
In fact, the vast majority of people killed in communist states were that exact type: people who had a problem with the system.
>inb4 famines etc, dont strawman my shit pls
Now compare that to capitalism, whose basic principle (outlined in >>56719868), actually PUSHES people to commit crimes to amass more property.
>>56719868
In order to make that claim you'd have to show that communism cured humans of their desire to have more than their fellow man. By your position too, we'd need to include every botched procedure from a party member's son being allowed to practice medicine. In the end, if you want to properly account for the differences in communism and capitalism, it only makes sense to look at the differences in all cause mortality/life expectancy. When you look at the 80's, the US had a life expectancy of 74-5 years, while the communists lagged behind at ~69 years.Even if I accept your premise that capitalism increases murder rate, living in the us vs ussr, I'd have better odds of making it to 70 years old in the US.
Source on life expectancy of USSR:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2546027/?page=1
True capitalism has never been tried.
>>56720074
>implies he lived in communist country and saw millions of dead
Lol.
>>56717503
JIDF go away.
>>56720436
Where are you expected to live longer, in a northern cold country with less sunlight or in a warm southern country with plenty of sunlight? Just look at the climatic map. Even your Alaska is more warm than general Moscow region.
>>56720549
the socialists are so intellectually bankrupt that the best they can do is take valid insults against them and act like 5 year old children by reversing them and pretend that they have made their point.
>>56717399
Fucking delusional commies. Communism killed more people on the planet than any other ideology. But of course those retards can't accept the facts to make up retarded shit.
They also chose to ignore that their favorite face from t-shirts personally was murdering people and was gladly saying that black people are inferior. The true hypocritic, racist and genocidal face of communism.
>>56720973
This.
>>56717667
If depopulation is good then Stalin was a saint.
Also most socialists in the West don't like Stalin.
>>56717399
The fact that there are people who seriously believe this is deeply disturbing
>>56717868
>what is Tsarist Russia
>what is the Shah's Iran
>what was the British Empire
>what was the European conquest of the Americas
>what was Indonesia
>what was Guatemala
>what was El Salvador
>what was Pinochet
>what was the massacre of the Paris Commune
>what was Batista's Cuba
>>56718070
>Rummel
His estimates have been very heavily criticized. At least some of those are completely fabricated as far as I can see. Also, if you use the same standards of culpability, the death toll of capitalism is in the hundreds of millions.
>>56719011
>capitalism isn't related to war I swear guise we have everything the capitalists want readily available and we totally don't need to "liberate" countries I swear guise
>>56721495
>>56721703
>>56721887
Please explain me why you support communism
>>56719854
Hitler's Holocaust killed 11 millionish and was the first industrial scale genocide. His war of expansion killed about 50-60 million at least.
The overwhelming majority of ""communist"" regime deaths occurred under Stalin and Mao, who combined killed approximately 60 million, none of whom were killed in industrial genocide.
>>56717868
Whats wrong with feudalism?
>>56717503
shillburgs gettin pwned
>>56717399
>Commies and muslims wants to kill us
>we're better at killing than them
>we're the bad guys
>>56720787
What about nordic coutries precucckold?
/pol/ btfo yet again
>>56721495
>What is every single communist government ever plus revolutionary France and Mexico
Why do you support communism?
>>56722549
Elaborate
>>56721495
See, any regime commies dont like is "capitalism" even if they are radically different. But okay , now tell me how a proletariat dictatorship is going to prevent any of that?
>>56719647
kek
>>56722168
>Muh 110000000000000000000000000000000000
Good goy.
>>56720436
Good points.
>In order to make that claim you'd have to show that communism cured humans of their desire to have more than their fellow man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_Soviet_Union
I wouldn't necessarily say that they had "cured" that desire, but they were damn good at suppressing it.
In any case, I'm talking more about principles.
Communism as an ideology simply removes a bunch of crime motives simply by eliminating private property.
On the other hand, capitalism teaches you that you should aim for increasing your property by whatever means necessary. Of course, noone suggests you should steal, but if you were taught from birth that only property matters, everyone treats you like shit if you have no property, and you actually have no property, what are you gonna do?
>>56722708
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
Read up.
Now tell me how any of >>56721495 isn't capitalistic.
>>56718578
>>implying priests are rich or allied to the ruler
You misunderstand the stack of hate here. It's not how much wealth the churches have, or that they lend credence to what ever system rules, it's that they supply people with a competing belief system that doesn't make the state (the dictatorship of the proletariat, or however they'll put it) the central organizing principle of society.
Ever notice how even the most recent convert to the SJW philosophy cannot abide an opinion which counters theirs and wants whoever expressed it demonized and shut the fuck down? Same thing. Their stupidity only holds sway when nobody else can speak. Communism doesn't allow anything to compete with it.
>implying modern Marxists aren't spoiled kids of the bourgeoisie
Every single one of these idiots envisions himself as the commissar working the system to his own advantage, and not a lump of rotting flesh filling a ditch curtsy of the one who'll get the job.
>>56720074
>North Korea
I don't support them or Venezuela.
>>56722994
I never said they werent. The problem here is that you attribute cause of all problems (or something quite close to it) to some attributes found in radically different societies and keep saying just banning them through your method is going to solve it. While the applications of this method had mostly failed through history.
Btw niggers are the most reliable factor in determining criminality
>>56719868
>implying making everyone a poorfag won't make them want to steal shit.
>>56721981
He has a mental sickness
>>56721981
I don't support Stalin, Mao, Castro, the Kims, or Che. I just support a more decentralized, worker-based economy with a progressivized tax rate and more social services. Anybody with ridiculously large amounts of power is likely to abuse at least a part of it. Economic elites and the politicians they bribe aren't exempt from that.
>>56722568
The 1780s revolution in France wasn't communist in most senses of the term.
>>56723853
Sounds like something Brezhnev would say.
>>56721495
While I agree on some
>Tsarist Russia
feudalist
>European Colonization of the Americas
Capitalism didn't exist at the time
Only Indonesia and the British Empire caused Deaths that could be compared to the Communist states
>>56720549
While I get the reference, it has. It was tried for about 30 years in the US and totally collapsed because Capitalism isn't self sustaining, just like most idealogy based systems.
The only way a 'capitalist' society can exist is an anarchistic society where everyone starts the same with a chicken, a mule, a rifle and a box of shells and 3 acres. That way all the capitalism can occur in a way that is based around people grouping, trading and fighting their way to power with the surround factors playing the balance.
Capitalism doesnt exist today in any way because everything is socialism based. The entire MIC is socialism. Healthcare is socialism. Banking is socialism.
Not of those things would exist today without the socialist ideology that the state has to intervene in everything, which in a capitalist state, the state simply intervenes on the side of justice.
By saying capitalism is bad you are saying voluntarism is bad
>>56719115
robo spear was capitalist?
>>56724094
>Anybody with ridiculously large amounts of power is likely to abuse at least a part of it.
And you think that doesn't apply to government officials?
O ye of little mind...
>>56722168
Mao killed 30 million alone in a single step. You don't understand that the Hitler number occured as a result of a global conflict where as Mao was a singular nation and a system of reformation.
That 30 million doesn't include any secret police or executions. It just has the starvation caused by massive agricultural reform just like USSR did in Ukraine and killed more in that move than Hitler did with his 'industrial genocide'.
>>56719868
>The absolute base of capitalism is private property and capital accumulation.
>Therefore
thats not how therefore works
>>56724543
We have a mixed economy here m8. Just like in your pisshole country, the capitalist segment supports the socialist segment.
If you want unfettered capitalism then go look at Hong Kong. Compare it's prosperity to that of mainland China which has had central planning for decades and still largely does
>>56720242
>In fact, the vast majority of people killed in communist states were that exact type: people who had a problem with the system.
then that means all the ones you attribute to capitalism are actually communists who had a problem with the system.
>>56722994
>Now tell me how any of >>56721495 isn't capitalistic
simple. would you go to jail for not paying for things you did not order or use? then its not capitalist.
capitalists only demand payment for things you order or use. non capitalists use the threat of jail to pay for their stuff whether you ordered it or not
>>56724228
>He doesn't know that Revolutionary France's cult of reason and the cult of the supreme being influenced Karl Marx
>>56717667
>woith a little depopulation.
Stopped reading there, going to have to ask you to go fuck yourself forever if you can't see what's wrong with that statment
>>56724855
Except your entire capitalist section is funded and supported by the socialist side. Without social funding, your farming would die, your roads would collapse and your military would shrivel up and die. There's no such thing as a mixed economy because no economy works on mixed sides. The US is so insanely imbalanced in terms of economic investment that the majority of your 'civilian' contracts are only possible because you allow military funding to be siphoned to them.
Hong Kong also did AMAZINGLY well with unfettered capitalism. The problem is that now it has China poking it and taking anything it produces while claiming it's all because of China.
>>56724755
Pretty blatant ignorance of facts here. China is fucking huge so it's easier to kill more with famine, but despite that the only reason Hitler killed less was because he never got to finish his plans. If he managed to beat the SU you can bet you'd see lebensraum for real.
>>56724660
Socialism doesn't necessarily mean a nomenklatura controls everything. Even if the government expanded horizontally, it could still involve indirect democracy.
>>56724094
Then tou arent communist. No proletariat revolution and dictatorship later with collective ownership of ALL means of production no communism.
>>56724308
It s true though socialists and communist are mentally ill
>>56725243
So what. He had no plans of world domination like the commies(he obviously could change his mind but we can never go past ecpeculation)
>>56725124
Bullshit. You can't have socialism in any form with it a capitalist structure propping it up. If you want to redistribute income there has to income to start with. Same goes for wealth.
Your argument is a fallacy. Yes, we have large amounts of government spending which support various sectors. But where do you suppose the funding for that spending comes from? Largely the sectors of the private market which are not benefitted by government stimulus. Whatever it spends its money on, government first has to raise the funds, either through overt taxation or discreet taxation (inflation).
>>56724228
They were crazy egalitarian murderous idealists all the same
>>56725309
I could, but it never will. Give the government control over more resources, and it will inevitably exploit them to expand itself.
>>56718680
>>56720242
What seems to have slipped past your fetal alcohol syndrome addled mind, is the fact that no one, not a single person has been killed in the name Capitalism in the same way people have been killed in the name of Communism.
Under most Communist regimes, people could be branded as enemies of the state, enemies of the revolution, or whatever convenient label that the state could slap on them. Because of this, the sate could openly justify taking that person from their home and shooting them in the back of the head, but not before violently beating them over the course of several days, before forcing them into signing a confession, convicting them of crimes they did not commit.
Never once has there been an instance of a person being taken from their home in the middle of the night , by the Market's Commissariat of Internal Affairs, and tried and executed for being an enemy of the market, or an enemy of profit. Thins like that have been almost exclusive to Communist Regimes.
>>56717399
>Socialists trivializing the deaths of tens of millions of people and comparing it to private property.
We need cleansing nuclear fire and and we need it now.
>>56722168
>Hitler's Holocaust killed 11 millionish and was the first industrial scale genocide.
The Holodomor preceded Hitler's work, and that's only the 1930s. Genocide has a long, rich history to go along with authoritarian statists.
>His war of expansion killed about 50-60 million at least.
Attributing every death suffered in a war to a single guy is a cheat; its a point of argumentation only disingenuous assholes use.
>The overwhelming majority of ""communist"" regime deaths occurred under Stalin and Mao,
The Khmer Rouge "only" killed some 2-3 million. Which is chump change, genocide wise, until you realize how much smaller Cambodia is in comparison to Russia or China.
>none of whom were killed in industrial genocide.
Because the manner in which millions of souls are extinguished is important? It doesn't count unless there's a flow chart style order to it?
Besides which, usually it's more effective to not bother with paperwork, and kill everyone within sight. That way nobody is left to remember, proved by the way you didn't factor for the Holodomor.
