Is an reformation of Islam possible? If it happened for Christianity, why not?
because christianity isn't fundamentally flawed
>>55942495
They're in the Dark Ages, it'll take a thousand years.
>>55942495
It is the difference between the bible and the Quran. The bible has been rewritten so many times, and thus Christians follow the teachings not the literal word. The Quran on the other hand is supposedly a direct line from Allah. Changing it would make you an infidel.
because this
Maybe. Poor Christians in Africa nowadays kill the infidels, too.
>>55942495
>implying Islam needs reform
https://youtu.be/7lByywaiSOg
>>55942687
Pretty much this. Everyone knows Islam is the religion of Satan
The Christian Reformation was a movement towards what the Bible actually teaches (Papists get out).
Islam explicitly teaches unrelenting war against the unbeliever until there is a global caliphate. Furthermore, the Koran claims it is the final revelation of God and cannot be changed or added to until Judgement Day.
>>55942604
explain your claim.
>>55942495
It already has been reformed though
Islam's equivalent of Martin Luther was a guy named al-Ghazali
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ghazali
Basically their reformation shut out all influence from reason and Greek philosophy that had been in their religion and the golden age of Islamic science the left is always talking about was decisively ended forever
Any reform that could put them back on the path of reason is too obviously heretical now
Islam cannot be fixed, it is fundamentally incompatible with the modern world, and its adherents must give it up if they hope to join the rest of the world
>>55942495
The reformation happened in Christianity when people realized that the Catholics cared nothing about spirituality, and were endlessly decadent, degenerate, and vile.
There is no reformation for Islam away from terrorism, because the terrorists are the purist muslims on earth.
Al-Baghdadi and Co. look exactly like Mohammad and Co., murdering, looting, and raping their way across the middle east.
ISIS is the Reform.
Islam is not centralized like Christianism.
They don't have an equivalent to the pope
>>55943015
Jesus really is God, and really rose from the dead. That is the claim of christianity (that islam directly refutes).
>>55942687
Lmao, you're seeing the wrong symbolism m8
>>55943333
Quads may not lie, but they can deceive. The pope had nothing to do with the Reformation (except counter it with a bloody Counter-Reformation).
>>55943392
but how is it not fundamentally flawed like islam?
>>55942495
Christians are not complete rabid brain dead dogs. They could do it. Most religions have done it some.
But Islam is not capable. And too many to even matter about it. And this scares the western world. Why they almost beg, and hide, and do not face the truth.
Its impossible for Islam to reform. Muslims dont even want it.
Plus, none of the rich fucks that could reform it, care about it since they are corrupt rich kings and shit.And the extremist that control it, are too far gone and obviously dont want to reform it.
And the poor are nothing more than zombie rabid dogs in it.
It is literally the cancer of the world. And will kill us all when it dominates all the world with a 2 thousand year dark ages.
Only one thing to do with a cancer.
Islam is the cancer of the world. It has spread into Europe.
People say this all the time, but it is a fundamental misunderstanding. What we are seeing right now... This *IS* the islamic reformation. Islamic civilization only started using the printing press in the mid 1800s. Their traditional structures of religious authority (ie their version of the catholic church) have only recently been contested or destroyed. You know episode of violence following the reformation when people started reading the bible for the first time without it being filtered through the Catholic intelligentsia? Thats what Islam is doing right now. It is a natural result of "democratization of information." Especially when that information is a retarded book which mandates violence. Of course there is also an "islamic modernist" trend occurring simultaneously, though it obviously appears much weaker at the moment. But the same might have been said during the darkest days of post-reformation upheaval. We'll have to wait a few hundred years to see how this Islamic reformation ultimately plays out.
>>55943421
The Gnostics or Pagans said that Christianity is from the devil too. Luther said that the Pope is the Antichrist.
>>55943158
No, this is bullshit, Al-Ghazali's time had no print culture, and no destruction of traditional religious hierarchies. It was a reform movement within the context of traditional Islam. The real movement which is analogous to the reformation starts with the sectarian proliferation which occurs after the introduction of printing to the Islamic world. As I said here: >>55943766
>>55942495
Isn't that what Ba'athism was?
>>55943015
Not him but, there's nothing in the bible about killing non-believers and there's nothing in the New Testament that promotes killing at all. Christians used to take the bible literally and fought in God's honour, it was called the crusades. It's grown up as a religion. Now Christians use it now as template and instil the primary values of acceptance and decency into their own lives. The WBC is an example of the tiny minority that take the bible at face value and even then, however insidious they may be, they are peaceful protesters. One of the fundamental pillars of being a Muslim is accepting everything in the Quran as the word of God and beyond questioning.
>>55943610
They are mutually exclusive.
They can both be wrong.
They cannot both be right.
So you have the claims of eyewitnesses v the claims of an Arab 600 years later.
>>55942495
a reformation is a return to the basics.
Weeding out things that should not have any role in the faith, were added later, etc.
There was an Islamic reformation already. It is called the Wahhabist movement. A call for a literal, direct interpretation to the Koran, and an attempt to emulate Muhammad's actions as much as possible.
A reformation only matters if the source material differs from the practice. The way ISIS acts is completely in line with the source material (the Koran).
The only way to make Islam a religion that can coexist with anyone else in the world (western or not, Christian or not) is if the very foundation, the very basis of the faith, were altered. And if that happened? It would not be Islam any more.
There is no salvation for Islam.
>>55943982
Luther was a good man
>>55943982
well,
Catholic != christians
>>55944057
The WBC do not take the bible at face value. They do not understand it at all.
They are a family of lawyers who got rich defending their "freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion" "infringements" when they provoked attacks at funerals, etc.
No. Few things to clear up.
1) Christianity was never as historically violent as Mahometanism. That's a lie.
2) Christianity never occupied a place as the totality of western culture in the same way it occupies a place as the totality of Mid Eastern/Paki culture. There was always a secular culture/law alongside ecumenical culture/law in Europe.
3) The historical personage of Jesus Christ and Mahomet are simply too different to assume a reformation will take place. The latter was a warlord who engaged in genocide, mass murder, torture, assassination of people who satirized him poems, rape, mutilation etc. As long as Muslims emulate Mahomet, it is impossible.
>>55942736
I expect their understanding of the Christian faith to be almost as thorough as my understanding of particle physic.
>>55942923
It's the progression of the Abrahamic mind control cults, its really about power and Islam represents feudalism fully codified.
Judaism is unrefined and barbaric compared to the hierarchical compartmentalization of the Catholic Church whose tentacles reach into all corners today. Both of these mind control cults however pale in comparison to Islam when it comes to installing the caliphate, known as the lord vassal structure in the west.
I don't know all the details being born and raised in the west but holy war and holy rape? Good luck competing against that no matter what tribe you hail from. Best to just order up some popcorn and enjoy the show kids.
>>55944153
He should have thought about it a little bit. The pope is clearly in position to be the False Prophet, not the Antichrist.
>>55942495
how would a minority (western muslims) achieve this agains millions of muslims in the middle east
>>55944145
10/10 well thought out and informative response
>>55944280
Most if not all complaints against Christianity are against Roman Catholicism.
>>55943982
That's the cross of St. Peter. He was crucified upside down, as he saw himself unworthy of being crucified in the same way as Christ.
>>55942782
>reform
Considering it fucks everything and every country it touches, and its citizens end up being worst...I would say a change or rejection of it is in order by everything in reality. But islamic pig fuckers do not live in reality. They are in another planet, in another dimension. Black is white. Up is down. And no argument can be made for anything.
>>55942670
The Bible has never been "rewritten"
>>55942495
read this senpai
>>55944703
It's all the muslims have; their original holy book albeit 600 years younger than the bible, and composed (not coincidentally) of many of the same ideas.
If you go back and look at where this conformity happened, of course, you will find Abu Bakr killing anyone who didn't accept his version as the one true version, and destroying everything else.
>>55944827
I always think of it in terms of "peace of the grave".
>>55944395
All of what I said also applies to Roman Catholicism.
There is literally no comparison between Islam and Christianity.
If you want a litmus test for whether a religion has any sort of spiritual component, look to see whether it has a monastic tradition. If it does, that means it has a component that is transcendental, truly doesn't care about material things, is about silent contemplation/prayer/meditation. Islam has no such component because it has nothing transcendental, even Islam's heaven (Jannah) is explicitly material (72 mansions, each with 72 bedrooms, each bedroom with 72 virgins, "boys as fine as pearls" etc).
Islam is not metaphysical in any way.
>>55943015
The basis of Islamic canon is that the Koran is the DIRECT word of god.
How does one change it? It's impossible. Any rewrite of it would be objectively heretical.
>>55943766
>wait a few hundred years
Fuck off. We have seen how Islam has played out. We see what it does to every country. We see every muslim. We know Islam's aims.
There is no doubt, no argument, no compromise, no fuzzy math, no different perspective. It is the cancer of the world. And wants to infect the west with itself.
You dont wait for a cancer.
>>55943610
Jesus taught peace, forgiveness, a salvation open to all, humility, and reminded people that judgment is ultimately the purview of God, not man.
Muhammad taught war, demanded that those who wronged him face suffering and death, that salvation was not an option, but an order, and those who did not submit to Allah's salvation were enemies who must we fought against. And over all of it is the Sharia, which not only dictate how to judge others, but exactly how to make them suffer, before Allah judges them again, and extends their suffering.
Jesus brought a man back from the dead. Muhammad led over 60 military campaigns against those who wronged him.
The closest Jesus ever came to bringing harm to someone who wronged him was that time he cursed a fig tree.
One faith teaches that we can live with one another as neighbors. The other demands complete subjugation. Maybe both are fundamentally flawed on some level, but one, when adhered to at its most base level, harms no one. And one, when adhered to at its most base level, commands conquest and death.
Moving from moderation and towards violence IS the Islamic reformation. Moderation and peace is an affront to Allah.
>>55945109
>comparing Islam only to Christianity
Compare it to Judaism and you will see that it is 1000% better
>>55944145
this right here.
srsly why does anyone still believe in abrahamic shit. what needs to happen is everyone repeal all this crap. denounce all abrahamic religions.
Islam persecuting Christians is described in the book of Revelations. It's not going to change.
someone already did. or tried.
Being %100 serious, no memes, not all muslims are "like that" and "support terrorism"
This is undeniably true, all ironic right wing /pol/ contrarian memes aside.
>There was a dude named hoobly boobly wahabi and he decided islam wasn't as good as it ought to be so he made up his own Amish flavor.of islam.
>The Saudi Arabian king liked him and patronized him.
>Thus the Saudis adopted it
>These "wahabis" were known to chimp out, and the ottomans (aka muslims who arent terrorists) even had to build a fort at Mecca (which was recently destroyed and replaced with that ugly clock tower) to protect it from wahabi raiders
>eventually the Ottomans got rekt in WWI and then the brits gave Arabia to the Saudis
>eventually Saudis discover oil and become rich rich rich
>use this rich money to build islamic schools all over the world , both ways between pakistan and california, to teach their chimpnigger terrorist version of islam to impressionable hillbillies (which would eventually become al qaeda, ISIS, taliban etc)
All terrorists are wahabi but not all muslims are wahabi. simple as that. if amish suddenly started blowing shit up it wouldnt make all christians amish terrorists.
>>55943421
im still curious where this symbol come from, i cant be sure if it was created before jesus or after in the time of crusades
one more thing:
The Christian reformation was, in part, a move to remove "Christianity" from politics. From a Church that could do no wrong as was above criticism, to kings who claimed some divine right. Corrupt people claiming God's authority to justify their actions.
In a broad sense, you can think of it as an attempt to purge violators of the commandment "Do not use the name of the Lord in vain," as that commandment means "do not claim God's approval for actions he has not explicitly stated he approves."
With Islam, there is no way to expunge politics from the religion, because they are intentionally intertwined. Muhammad chose to unite the two. To separate politics from religion in Islam is to blaspheme against Muhammad and Allah. No such reformation is possible. It would be an alteration. And if a religion is true, such an alteration invalidates it.
>>55945667
The Seal of Solomon was supposedly on Solomon's ring which he used to bind demons. See also the Star of Remphan.
>>55945459
ok. here is a comparison to Jews:
When they left Egypt and arrived in the holy land, they were instructed, by God, to kill ALL the people (of certain tribes) that they found.
Despite the obvious, direct command from God (a God who had performed visible miracles in their exodus, so they had no reason to doubt his existence or his power), they chose to not commit genocide.
They were warned that the decedents of these people would be their enemies, who would seek to do them endless harm. But, based on their personal morality, they told God that they could not do as he commanded, for by his own rules, they thought such an act would be evil.
And so they left the tribes alive. And God did not punish them, but he warned them that their future generations would suffer because of that choice.
Those tribes became the Arabs, who became the Muslims. God knew this would be their destiny, which is why, for the good of all people, he was willing to allow his chosen to commit genocide.
Tell me. If Allah commanded genocide, would Muslims say to him "We're sorry, but we can not do that. It would be wrong."?
I don't think so.
>>55945646
>John 16:2
>They will ban you from the synagogues . In fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering service to God.
>>55945532
Islam is not "abrahamic", it is not part of the covenant between God and Abraham. Islam is a false religion.
>>55945667
the star and crescent are remnants of the tengristic religion the turkic peoples had prior to Islam. a certain group of turks would go on to form the Ottoman Empire, which, being turkic, was already filled with turkic symbolism. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, many countries previously a part of the empire such as Algeria and Tunisia (and of course turkey) retained the symbolism for whatever reason.
the star and crescent is not islamic, made clear by radical wahabi terror groups like Saudi Arabia, ISIS, Taliban, Al-Qaeda who do not use it, instead preferring traditional arabic-islamic symbols such as the Shahada.
The Shia have things too, like Zulfiqar. the star and crescent are direct leftovers from Turkic influence.
TL;DR Allah is not a moon god
>>55942495
It was possible. Operation Iraqi Freedom, and the Arab Spring that followed, coild have done it, if we'd had a Republican president who wouldn't have supported oathbreakers like the Muslim Brotherhood and Iran, and instead supported lawful actors like Ghaddafi and the House of Saud.
But that chance has passed, and there will be no more.
>>55946633
>Islam is not "abrahamic", it is not part of the covenant between God and Abraham. Islam is a false religion.
1,500,700,000 people beg to differ.
>>55942495
It's been proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Islam and its followers are legally retarded when put through certified IQ testing.
So, no.
>>55947150
>Matthew 7:14
>The Narrow Gate
>13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
>>55947897
Why are you quoting a fairy tale book as if it presents any kind of argument?
Stick to the topic at hand, please.
>>55947150
Opinion is not fact, and reality is not dictated by popular vote.
If Allah is real, then Islam would indeed, be an extension of the Abrahamic faiths.
If Allah is not real, then it is just a claim to belong to those faiths.
In fact, even if we could prove, beyond doubt, that no God exists and all religion is superstition, Islam is still not Abrahamic. It was not founded by someone who was a descendant of Abraham, or someone who followed the teachings of an Abrahamic faith. If Jesus was no one more than a deluded Jew, the faith he spawned could still be Abrahamic, as it came directly out of the Jewish faith, by a Jew, and incorporates Jewish holy books in its own holy book.
Islam, however, came out of the mind of a non Jew, deluded Arab, who simply bastardized another religion he barely understood in a desperate attempt to make himself important. Not founded by a Jew, not built on a Jewish foundation, plainly states that Jews are the enemy of Allah? Not Abrahamic.
Claiming that their God is my God does not make it so, any more than the claims of some fools out there who claim that the central God in all faiths (Vishnu, Odin, Allah, God, Ra, Zeus) were just different cultures all venerating the same deity.
>>55942495
Sure Islam can be reformed.
But we shouldn't stand around drooling and growing old waiting for it to happen.
>>55945109
>when adhered to at its most base level, harms no one
except for gays and shit
>>55948097
Abraham is traditionally considered to be the first Jew and to have made a covenant with God. Because Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all recognize Abraham as their first prophet, they are also called the Abrahamic religions.
>>55946413
God is playing a game, and we are the chess pieces.
>>55948371
"Let he who is without sin throw the first stone."
Even if homosexuality, adultery, etc, were still considered sins, Jesus made clear that judgement for those sins is God's right.
>>55948619
a legitimate point. however, if i started a new religion tomorrow that venerated Buddha, that does not mean my religion is part of the same grouping as Buddha's. Abraham founded Judaism, and a Jew (following prophecy) founded Christianity.There is no internal Jewish connection in Islam, and claims of prophecy were laughed off by both the Jews and the Christians, who felt Muhammad was a farce.
I do not think things should be grouped together because someone in one part of that group thinks they are all part of the same thing.
>>55948891
only according to the small minority who believe that free will is illusionary.
>>55948066
>fairy tale book
>>55949085
Bro don't take it so hard. I was trying to be cool and shit. Don't ruin it bro.
>>55949272
i'm not taking it hard. it is an entirely legitimate theological position to take.
I just think it's wrong.
They already had a reformation movement.
They were called the Khawaraj.
They made Salafists and Wahhabi look like hippies.
>>55946413
Jews genocided several groups though... And I'm pretty sure your story is a lie because God never commanded the Israelites to slaughter the Ishmaelites...
>>55945652
A note that the House of Saud has Jewish roots
>>55949368
Come on bro, just let it go. I wanna be cool and shit and then you went full on philosophical and shite.
Y u do dis?
>>55949085
Judaism is a monolatrous pagan ethnoreligion whose adherents practice witchcraft and fortune telling.
Have you ever heard of golems? Rabbis would actually try to summon demons to protect the Jews (or to attack their enemies).
>>55944057
>Christians used to take the bible literally and fought in God's honour, it was called the crusades.
While there was a lot about fighting for God involved in the crusades, it was largely a political thing, not a spiritual thing.
The crusades were a response to hundreds of years of raiding and conquest into Europe by Muslims. Why do you think Spanish people are brown now?
No. The barbaric behavior of Muslims is due to their genetic inferiority. If White Europeans hypothetically practiced Islam, their societies would not be the disasters that most Islamic countries are currently.
>>55951216
the fact that there were "mystics" who claimed to be Jews changes nothing. It holds as much meaning looking at the "Christian scientists" who claim that prayer heals and medicine is evil, or people who claim that the Bible was written in code and predicted JFK's assassination.
They are outliers and kooks who are following beliefs that actually have NOTHING to do with the core tenants of the faith.
In fact, they are what the topic of this thread was initially about: the things that creep into and become part of the faiths, that has no actual basis and should not be there to begin with, and are, thus, PURGED with a reformation.
>>55952339
Magic, demonic rituals and witchcraft are a core component of Judaism.
>>55942495
True religions don't need reformations :^)
>>55952339
Judaism has done so much fucking evil, I honestly am shocked when "Christians" such as yourself defend it while attacking Islam.
Judaism is responsible for:
-9/11
-ISIS
-Zionist Wars
-the Bolshevik Revolution and Slavic Christian Genocide
-The destruction of European Christendom
-Slavery on a massive scale since ancient times until today
-the subversion of the US
-the subversion of Britain
-the subversion of France
-the subversion of countless other nations via the foreign policy of those former three
Stop defending a religion that is genuinely satanic
>>55944057
>there's nothing in the bible about killing non-believers and there's nothing in the New Testament that promotes killing at all.
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
There's a lot more from the old testament, and the new testament as you surely know is mostly about Jesus and his life and philosophies. I don't blame you for not knowing your bible though, there is no need to cite it to justify murdering enemies, because you got no enemies.
A minimum of one of the pillars of islam is provably a pagan ritual that the muslims had to kick the pagans out of, as shown by a study of the kaaba and who built it. One of mohammed's own lieutenants said that they shouldn't do it, but got overruled. Also, their "Allah" is actually a pagan moon god, hence they have the "red moon" where we have the "red cross". They also have the crescent moon on many mosques. Interesting.
It is a false religion created by a warlord so he could gain allies (he had Christian and Jewish commanders in his army) in order to conquer his hometown.
moon-god of islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmoHxiK69Q
University of Chicago speaker (on how he thinks that mohammed was only a monotheist, not a muslim):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RFK5u5lkhA
>>55952738
yes they do. Human corruption seeps into everything.
>>55952604
>>55953158
If it is not in the Torah, it is not core Judaism. I do not care what the Talmud teaches.
As for magic? The Torah condemns it, and thus Judaism condemns it. Witchcraft is condemned. Any demonic ritual would go directly against the word of God, according to their own teachings. Which mean, if any of that were legitimate criticism? Judaism is not a satanic faith, but there are satanic people who have infiltrated and use Judaism.
As for your list of things they are responsible for? Everything is either unproven or outright conspiracy tard nonsense.
And even then, if it were all true? You judge a faith by what it says, not by what its adherents do. If their actions go against the teachings of God, then it doesn't matter that it is Jews doing it, it goes against Judaism.
As for your view that Christians should despise Jews?
Jesus was a Jew and a Rabbi, his initial followers were all Jews, he never denounced the Jews, and if he had not died then he would have been a proven false prophet. His last words before his death was "Forgive them, father, they know not what they do."
The most unChristian thing one can do is hate the Jewish faith. And the most ignorant thing a person can do is judge an ideology by the actions of some of its supposed proponents, rather than by what it actually says.
>>55954147
Firstly, Jesus was a Christian. Never forget this.
Second, the written Torah is not even the most holy book for Jews. This Mishnah, or Oral Torah, is. And it is different from the written Torah. At any rate, the Talmud is central to Judaism and it is a disgusting document.
Judaism is a vile religion and Jews are heathens; all good Christians know this.
>everything is unproven or outright conspiratard
It's all proven beyond a doubt.
>>55953631
The Old Testament is basically a reciting of Old Judaic Law.
Christians put more stock in the words of Christ himself considering they're named after him.
Good thing Christians don't claim the Bible is the direct word of God :^)
Seven deadly sins
Seven ways to win
Seven holy paths to hell
And your trip begins
Seven downward slopes
Seven bloodied hopes
Seven are your burning fires,
Seven your desires...
I am he the bornless one
The fallen angel watching you
Babylon, the scarlet whore
I'll infiltrate your gratitude
Don't you dare to save your son
Kill him now and save the young ones
Be the mother of a birth strangled babe
Be the devils own, Lucifer's my name
Moonchild - hear the mandrake scream
Open the seventh seal
Moonchild - You'll be mine soon child
Moonchild - take my hand tonight
I count the heads of those unborn
The accursed ones I'll find them all
If you die by your own hand
As a suicide you shall be damned
And if you try to save your soul
I will torment you - you shall not grow old
With every second and passing breath
You'll be so alone your soul will bleed to death
The twins they are exhausted, seven is the night
Gemini is rising as the red lips kiss to bite
Seven angels seven demons battle for his soul
When Gabriel lies sleeping, this child was born to die
One more dies one more lives
One baby cries One mother grieves
For all the sins you will commit
You'll beg forgiveness and none I'll give
A web of fear shall be your coat
To clothe you in the night
A lucky escape for you youngman
But I see you damned in endless night.
don't think you realize this is nothing new, theyve been trying to conquer europe for 1000+ years
>>55953631
I don't see how the old testament is relevant. It's the jew book, also known as the Torah. Christianity is named after Jesus Christ. His teachings are in the new testament. He never enslaved, killed or raped anyone as far as I'm aware?
Islam is allready beeing reformed into petro-islam by our closest arab allies, the wahabists.
Between 1975 and 2007 they spend over 100bn $ on spreading salafism! lol!
>>55955904
>Firstly, Jesus was a Christian. Never forget this.
Find me the line of scripture that supports this.
He was the messiah, coming to answer Jewish prophecy. He was an ordained Rabbi. This is not in debate.
>It's all proven beyond a doubt.
to conspiritards on /pol/
If actual evidence existed, then others would know. There is no proof. There may be proof Jews were involved in some things (frankfurt school, etc), but even that does not help your case, because there is no proof that Jews, as a whole, supported it, nor is there any Jewish source that backs it.
How can anyone be as deluded as you about Judaism, and claim to be Christian? It is mind boggling. At least stormfags have the decency to not try to twist the Christian faith into something it is not, and instead praise their own flawed concept of Odin....
>>55942495
No, Islam is the perfect truth whereas Christianity and all other religions were and are falsehoods to begin with.
Translation from the Qur'an (5:3):
"This day I (God) have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and approved for you Islam as religion."
Perfection cannot be improved.
Also, because of the above, Muslims actually know their religion is the truth where as followers of other religions like Christians know deep inside that their religion is falsehood.
>>55956554
Jesus was a Christian because he was fucking Christ.
>if actual evidence exists
All the evidence exists for all of these. I really hope you're Jewish and not just a deluded Christian
>>55957817
>Jesus was a Christian because he was fucking Christ.
Christianity was seen as a sect of Judaism for over a hundred years. Christ was the greek version of the word messiah, if I recall correctly, and thus those who followed his teachings were the followers of Christ, also known as Christians. It was never a title he claimed for himself.
While he did say he would preach to the gentiles, he never said anything to suggest he (or God) disowned the Jews.
The closest he came was in his conflict with the pharisees. Jewish leaders who cared more about their worldly power than the faith. They were false leaders, because they forsake God.
Funny how you have no retort for the fact that Jesus' final statement before he died on the cross was a prayer for forgiveness for the Jews who were mislead by the pharisees. That one line proves everything you say wrong, and you have no answer for it.
You picture is proof that individuals who were jewish supported horrible things. It offers no proof that they supported these things because they were Jewish.
If evidence existed that could stand up to scrutiny, we would have it. there is no concrete evidence to back up any of your claims. That is why even on /pol/ you idiots get talked down to.
>I really hope you're Jewish and not just a deluded Christian
why not both? Jewish heritage on one side of the family, but I chose to be a Christian, by faith.
