Redpill me on the Catholic Church
>>55905659
500 years later and they're still butt-hurt from the roasting this guy gave them.
Protestantism is a fake religion made due to an obese guy that wanted another waifu.
>>55905659
Catholicism and Orthodox are the only brotier forms of christianity. The greatest thinkers in the history of christianity have all been catholic, so protestants are asspained.
>>55905845
Luther created a church in which everyone can follow their own rules by rejecting a moral authority such as the pope. If you don't think that's bad look at all the protestant branches in America and view the degenerate corruption in all her glory.
Protestants believe that if you only follow the Sola's you will get salvation - They reject good works and can sin all they want, for merely believing is good enough for heaven.
Protestants since Luther have constantly contradicted themselves on subjects that have been established since the early church fathers such as free will.
Protestanism is cancer.
>>55906255
>mfw reading this post
>>55905869
>>55905923
>>55906255
Good goys
>>55906255
>moral authority such as the pope
fuckin idiot
>>55906530
>he doesnt understand apostolic succession
>>55906530
"In the Constitution "Pastor Aeternus", cap. 3, the pope is declared to possess ordinary, immediate, and episcopal jurisdiction over all the faithful:
We teach, moreover, and declare that, by the disposition of God, the Roman Church possesses supreme ordinary authority over all Churches, and that the jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff, which is true episcopal jurisdiction is immediate in its character (Enchir., n. 1827)."
This goes to
(1) As the supreme teacher of the Church, whose it is to prescribe what is to be believed by all the faithful, and to take measures for the preservation and the propagation of the faith, the following are the rights which pertain to the pope:
it is his to set forth creeds, and to determine when and by whom an explicit profession of faith shall be made (cf. Council of Trent, Sess. 24, cc. 1 and 12);
it is his to prescribe and to command books for the religious instruction of the faithful; thus, for example, Clement XIII has recommended the Roman Catechism to all the bishops.
The pope alone can establish a university, possessing the status and privileges of a canonically erected Catholic university;
to him also belongs the direction of Catholic missions throughout the world; this charge is fulfilled through the Congregation of the Propaganda.
It is his to prohibit the reading of such books as are injurious to faith or morals, and to determine the conditions on which certain classes of books may be issued by Catholics;
his is the condemnation of given propositions as being either heretical or deserving of some minor degree of censure, and lastly
he has the right to interpret authentically the natural law. Thus, it is his to say what is lawful or unlawful in regard to social and family life, in regard to the practice of usury, etc.
>>55908257
and (2) With the pope's office of supreme teacher are closely connected his rights in regard to the worship of God: for it is the law of prayer that fixes the law of belief. In this sphere very much has been reserved to the sole regulation of the Holy See. Thus
the pope alone can prescribe the liturgical services employed in the Church. If a doubt should occur in regard to the ceremonial of the liturgy, a bishop may not settle the point on his own authority, but must have recourse to Rome. The Holy See likewise prescribes rules in regard to the devotions used by the faithful, and in this way checks the growth of what is novel and unauthorized.
At the present day the institution and abrogation of festivals which was till a comparatively recent time free to all bishops as regards their own dioceses, is reserved to Rome.
The solemn canonization of a saint is proper to the pope. Indeed it is commonly held that this is an exercise of the papal infallibility. Beatification and every permission for the public veneration of any of the servants of God is likewise reserved to his decision.
He alone gives to anyone the privilege of a private chapel where Mass may be said.
He dispenses the treasury of the Church, and the grant of plenary indulgences is reserved to him. While he has no authority in regard to the substantial rites of the sacraments, and is bound to preserve them as they were given to the Church by Christ and His Apostles, certain powers in their regard belong to him;
he can give to simple priests the power to confirm, and to bless the oil of the sick and the oil of catechumens, and
he can establish diriment and impedient impediments to matrimony.
>>55908314
and (3) The legislative power of the pope carries with it the following rights:
he can legislate for the whole Church, with or without the assistance of a general council;
if he legislates with the aid of a council it is his to convoke it, to preside, to direct its deliberations, to confirm its acts.
He has full authority to interpret, alter, and abrogate both his own laws and those established by his predecessors. He has the same plenitude of power as they enjoyed, and stands in the same relation to their laws as to those which he himself has decreed;
he can dispense individuals from the obligation of all purely ecclesiastical laws, and can grant privileges and exemptions in their regard.
In this connection may be mentioned his power to dispense from vows where the greater glory of God renders it desirable. Considerable powers of dispensation are granted to bishops, and, in a restricted measure, also to priests; but there are some vows reserved altogether to the Holy See.
>>55908345
and (4) In virtue of his supreme judicial authority
causae majores are reserved to him. By this term are signified cases dealing with matters of great moment, or those in which personages of eminent dignity are concerned.
His appellate jurisdiction has been discussed in the previous section. It should, however, be noted
that the pope has full right, should he see fit, to deal even with causae minores in the first instance, and not merely by reason of an appeal (Trent, Sess. XXIV; cap. 20). In what concerns punishment,
he can inflict censures either by judicial sentence or by general laws which operate without need of such sentence.
He further reserves certain cases to his own tribunal. All cases of heresy come before the Congregation of the Inquisition. A similar reservation covers the cases in which a bishop or a reigning prince is the accused party.
>>55905869
>obese guy that wanted another waifu
That is the Anglican church
>>55908377
and (5) As the supreme governor of the Church the pope has authority over all appointments to its public offices. Thus
it is his to nominate to bishoprics, or, where the nomination has been conceded to others, to give confirmation. Further, he alone can translate bishops from one see to another, can accept their resignation, and can, where grave cause exists, sentence to deprivation.
He can establish dioceses, and can annul a previously existing arrangement in favour of a new one. Similarly, he alone can erect cathedral and collegiate chapters.
He can approve new religious orders, and can, if he sees fit, exempt them from the authority of local ordinaries.
Since his office of supreme ruler imposes on him the duty of enforcing the canons, it is requisite that he should be kept informed as to the state of the various dioceses. He may obtain this information by legates or by summoning the bishops to Rome. At the present day this jus relationum is exercised through the triennial visit ad limina required of all bishops. This system was introduced by Sixtus V in 1585 (Constitution, "Rom. Pontifex"), and confirmed by Benedict XIV in 1740 (Constitution, "Quod Sancta") .
It is to be further observed that the pope's office of chief ruler of the Church carries with it jure divino the right to free intercourse with the pastors and the faithful. The placitum regium, by which this intercourse was limited and impeded, was therefore an infringement of a sacred right, and as such was solemnly condemned by the Vatican Council (Constitution, "Pastor Aeternus", cap. iii). To the pope likewise belongs the supreme administration of the goods of the Church.
He alone can, where there is just cause, alienate any considerable quantity of such property. Thus, e.g., Julius III, at the time of the restoration of religion in England under Queen Mary validated the title of those laymen who had acquired Church lands during the spoliations of the previous reigns
Francis is not the Pope, the Vatican II concilliar church is in apostasy, and all Protestants are going to hell. Become a traditionalist (sedevacantist) Catholic.
http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/why-sedevacantism-cekada.htm
>>55905659
I D O L A T E R S
A N D
U S U R E R S
>>55906255
the fuck are you on?
we do not reject good works.
we do not allow sin in mass
what defines a protestant is the rejection of an single authority on the matters of God.
i mean really how many shit popes (current included) have you had?
>>55905869
This. The world would be a better place if the 1588 Armada succeeded in conquering bongistan and raping their whore witch queen
>>55908524
but Catholics don't worships idols, im not a catholic and I know that. Its just a strawman by protestants
>>55906903
>implying Peter was ever in Rome
>>55905659
full of paedophiles
Why don't Catholics just worship God instead of statues, the Pope and Mary?
>>55908586
Praying to saints is worshiping idols.
You're attributing to them godlike powers that they do not have.
>>55905659
Degenerate, materialistic, weak.
>>55906255
cringe
Luther was a cult leader who though science was evil. Meanwhile, the true Church fostered learning and preserved ancient knowledge and art.
>>55908533
The old ones were way worse, orgies, murder and selling the church out just to name a few things
>>55908692
Luther=Muhammad
>>55908692
once again catholics don't pray to saints, they ask the saints to pray for them. As a non catholic you can find this stuff in their catechism.
>>55905659
both are a product of degeneracy
orthodoxy church i the only pure one
>>55905659
>Protestants
>>55908813
The saints are dead.
They can not hear you.
Saying they can is attributing to them godlike powers that they do not have.
>>55905659
God says the worst thing you can do is to claim to change god's law. That is the sign of a false prophet that exposes the liar even through miracles and prophecy. Catholics are just as bad as Orthodox Rabbis at this.
>>55905923
>>55906255
>>55905659
Catholicism is the greatest and as such the most dangerous heresy of them all. They pretend to be christians and as such hold some of the base values, but the pope and everything that came from the popes throughout history is blatant heresy. A man calling himself "God on Earth". They systematically misguide people and enforced their sect with the sword, not by their belief and their word.
Orthodox christianity is as such the only legitimate form of church because it doesn't advocate a deceiver thinking himself infallible. No man is infallible, that is the very base of christian belief!
>>55905659
I don't think people hate Protestantism you spic beaner faggot.
your post seems very implicative.
>>55908941
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-intercession-of-the-saints
here, at least Catholicism is based christianty and not weak like Protestantism and this is coming from a muslim
>>55908912
>Catholics
>>55908941
theyre in heaven you dumb fuck
thats like saying angels have godlike powers
>>55908533
>we do not reject good works.
You denounce good works as something separate from faith, even though the bible says that through works faith is made perfect.
>>55908941
The Saints are in Heaven with God, and they do hear our prayers:
Revelations 8:4 - And the smoke of the incense went up with the prayers of the saints, out of the hand of the angel before God.
What do you think the saints are praying for? Themselves? They're in Heaven. They're praying for us, and we can ask them to pray for us.
>>55908533
>we do not allow sin in mass
see >>55908912
>>55908941
Don't trigger the pagans. They are probably mad because they forgot to confiscate their neighbors bible and pay their prayer tax.
>>55906255
>One guy should be allowed to determine all morality
>>55906255
>>55908257
>>55908314
>>55908345
>>55908377
ITT protestants BTFO, good work netherlands
>>55908941
CATHOLIC CHURCH
PRAYERS TO DEAD SAINTS
WORD OF GOD
GOD CALLS THIS AN ABOMINATION
>Deuteronomy 18:10-11 KJV;
There shall not be found among youany onethat maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire,orthat useth divination,or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
>Consulter of familiar spirits
Self explanatory.
>Necromancer:Noun OED;
A person whopracticesnecromancy; a wizardormagician.
>Necromancy:Noun OED;
The supposed practice ofcommunicating with the dead, especially in order topredict the future.
So... Consider the following.
>Saints:Noun OED;
A personacknowledgedasholyor virtuous and typically regarded as being inheaven after death.
>Are
>Not
>Dead
>The Oxford is not good enough.
People in Heaven are not dead
>Saints are right now in heaven.
>In a scene from the crucifixion
>Matthew 27:48-53;
Jesus came here to give us eternal life.
>If one follows his teaching...
>John 6:47; 1 John 1:6;
Saints are the Body of Christ, His Church, in Heaven and on Earth.
So you see, Saints are alive! They are Christians; Good Christians, Followers of Christ, made Sinless through the Blood of Jesus Christ. Granted Eternal Life in Heaven.
>>55905659
Mexico, the catholic church pretty much absorbed your entire culture
>>55909321
except most crusader larpers here ar protestants from america
>>55909185
What do you think good works are?
I'll answer this one for you: Good works are following the law of the Torah.
Does the Catholic church follow Torah?
What day do the Catholics say is the Sabbath?
What day does the commandments of God say it is?
>>55909382
Ok Juan.
>>55905659
>Redpill me on the Catholic Church
It's not salvific.
>Literally having dyke bishops complain god isnt refereed to as a woman enough and God is gender-neutral and we should call god "she" to make little girls happier
Wow, so progressive!
>Dat nose
>>55909367
>hurr we are saints!
>what is canonization
>>55905659
child molester cult
>>55908941
>>55909367
> How would a Saint be able to join in all those Prayers at once?
When heckling Rabbis asked Jesus, at the Resurrection to whom would a woman married to 7 brothers all deceased according to the laws be wife to.
>Matthew 22:29-30
Jesus answered and said unto them,Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in Heaven.
This segways me Christ Him self on the nature of Heavenly beings. if Saints are like Angels and earlier in Matthew Jesus Teaches.
>Matthew 18:10
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Even Jesus says Heavenly Being have the ability to Intercede for at least Children. Are you going to question the continuity of Christ's Teaching in Matthew.
>>55908964
ANYONE CARE TO EXPLAIN HOW THE POPE ISN'T THE GREATEST DECEIVING HERETIC ON EARTH? PLEASE?
>>55909163
Well, if I had to pick between the two...
Enjoy your "Trans" priests (pic related) while you criticize catholics and orthodox for using icons and statues in their spiritual journey.
The early church, even in the time of christ, used icons. There are solid theological arguments for icons and statues as tools. Conflating the use of icons and statues with the worship of icons and statues is fucking plebeian muslim-tier stupidity.
And yet, while you go on and on about how heretical it is to have icons or statues in a church, you see no problem with pic related becoming a priest....fucking joke. Protestants man....
>>55909367
A consulter of familiar spirits is a witch with a familiar, not a Christian praying to a Saint.
If I ask you to pray for me, am I communicating with a familiar spirit?
No less am I communicating with a familiar spirit if I pray to St. Gregory, or St. Jerome, or St. Francis, or the Holy Mother herself.
You're just mad because we have 2,000 years of unbroken tradition while you have some weird mishmash that changes every 10 years depending on what pastor you have and where the political winds are blowing. (example: Protestants used to be unanimous with the Catholics in rejecting contraception, unanimous with the Bible and all the ancient theologians/Church Fathers; but they gave in to the pressure of the modern world to stay trendy).
Protestantism has gotten weird.
There are a hundred different sects and 99 of them are loony
Of course this new Pope is following their lead.
>>55905659
It is the Church founded by Jesus Christ
>>55909099
>>55909176
>>55909207
Revelation 8:4 does not say what the saints are praying for, nor does it in any way say that the saints are making intercessory prayers.
>>55909367
Saints aren't dead.
Alright, I'll give you that.
However, there is no evidence whatsoever that the saints can hear our prayers.
Praying to literally anything other than God is considered idolatry.
There is no difference between asking a saint to pray for you and praying to the saint. You are attempting to communicate your wishes to someone other than God.
There is one mediator between man and God and that person is Jesus Christ.
Why is praying directly to God not enough for you Catholics?
>>55910107
>Of course this new Pope is following their lead.
No he's not, read his actual encyclicals and show me the heresy.
>>55909244
we hate that shit too though!
what about that swedish female, lesbian catholic bishop?
>>55910380
>Revelation 8:4 does not say what the saints are praying for, nor does it in any way say that the saints are making intercessory prayers.
What are they praying for? They must be intercessionary prayers. They have no need for anything because they're in Heaven. They're not praying for themselves, they're praying for us. There is literally nothing else in orthodox theology they could be praying for.
>>55910069
>>55909530
>>55908912
Protestant will nitpick on any small thing, or pretend they are unquestionably correct on complicated centuries old religious debate, then put their fingers in their ears and whistle when you point out above.
Protestantism is full of degenerate SJW-tier bullshit. Protestantism is filled with Tranny, Gay, Lesbian, Communist - and even ATHEIST (lolwut?) - Priests and Bishops. Protestantism is basically a wing of SJW-progressive-lefist politics.
This is why protestant churches are collapsing and losing ground while more traditional churches (catholic & orthodox) are either maintaining, or even growing, in most parts of the world.
If people want to join a communist/SJW movement, they will join a communist/SJW movement. There is no need to corrupt your church and try to make it "cool" and "hip" to fit in with modern degenerate bullshit.
Delusional Protestants.....literally marching in gay pride parades while trying to pretend Catholics and Orthodox have lost their way....
people still imagine the church to be like it was 100 years ago, it's nothing alike. there are protestant churches that act more catholic than catholic churches these days. it's a meme. catholicism is dead.
>>55910380
>There is no difference between asking a saint to pray for you and praying to the saint. You are attempting to communicate your wishes to someone other than God.
So if I communicate my wish to you I'm committing idolatry? Praying to a saint is no different.
If you believe in the Saints, and the Saints are in Heaven by definition, and the Saints do pray, it follows that we can ask them to pray for us as much as we can ask a fellow Christian to pray for us here on earth.
>>55905659
East and West Catholic Church: Founded by Jesus Christ
Protestant Churches: Founded by Martin Luther or one of his creations.
>>55910380
>Praying to literally anything other than God is considered idolatry.
No, it isn't. Idolatry is praying/belief in idols, which is a very specific thing. An idol in this sense is a statue, carving or similar object that is believed to be literally divine, such as the Golden Calf.
>>55910069
See, that's the thing. I don't agree with 'trans' priests or anything of the sort.
But guess what?
I don't have to go to that church.
You, however, have to follow the Pope in whatever he does and says.
So, enjoy following a blasphemous heretic.
"And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross."
-Pope Francis
That on top of saying that Muslims and atheists can be redeemed, he shouldn't judge gays, and the story of Adam and Eve is fictitious.
>>55910507
>>55910604
>>55910723
See, when praying to a saint, you're making the assumption that they're omnipresent and able to hear and intercede for multitudes of people at once.
Only Jesus Christ can do that.
Pray only to God, trust me, He can handle it.
>>55909599
This is a basic belief of Catholic and Orthodox
>>55910380
2 maccabees 15:12-14
I love how Protestants support contraception, divorce, homosexuality, and female clergy, not to mention disagreeing amongst themselves about virtually everything, in direct contradiction to Jesus' prayer for the Church - "I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you."
Then they come into threads like these and say we're not "real Christians" for doing things the same way we've been doing them for thousands of years.
What text does Matthew 16:18 say?
>And I say also unto thee, That thou art Martin Luther, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
OR
>And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
What church did Peter build?
He built the Orthodox Christian church at Antioch
and he built the Catholic Church at Rome.
>Acts 11:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Quakers or Friends are the closest thing to the teachings of Christ.
I'm Catholic and I think the best part of it is mostly tradition and structure. Theres a blueprint to meditation and communion with God thats unique and digestible. Theres a rich history in Catholicism and despite common belief, Catholic thought is very progressive in terms of science and biblical interpretation, so theres a lot of room for mental exercise within its doctrines.
>>55911850
Martin Luther is a heretic and all who follow Protestantism are too.
January 3, 1521, Pope Leo X issues the papal bull Decet Romanum Pontificem, which excommunicates Martin Luther from the Catholic Church.
>>55911446
>I love how Protestants support contraception, divorce, homosexuality, and female clergy
I, as a Protestant, can say definitively that I do not support any of those things and I know there are many like me.
>>55910107
>Of course this new Pope is following their lead.
>believes what the Jew run media says he says
Baptist here
The pope is an antichrist
>>55912983
how?
>>55905659
Lutheran reporting in.
Lick my butthole, guilty feeling catholic scums!
>>55913330
>Lick my butthole
Spoken like a typical Protestant. Real Christian language you use.
>>55909919
because Martin Luther. duh
>>55913330
Btw, Catholicism destroyed USA.
>>55913541
JFK was a Catholic
>>55913457
I am only de jure Lutheran, de facto i am Atheist.
>>55905659
Huge perversion of biblical texts. Might as well be a Babylonian mystery religion.
>>55913482
Can you please, P-L-E-A-S-E go into further detail why anyone should accept the papacy as a christian?
>>55913541
underrated post
>>55905659
>>55913057
You want to know the truth about the Catholic Church?
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH9f2aRTbKM
>>55912983
pic related
>>55911091
>See, when praying to a saint, you're making the assumption that they're omnipresent and able to hear and intercede for multitudes of people at once.
This in no way adress the fact that you are using the term idolatry incorrectly.
>>55915095
But it does prove that in asking a saint to pray for you you are attributing to them godlike powers that they do not have.
>>55915336
Do you ask other humans to pray for you? If so why?
As an athiest myself, it is completely retarded when protestants claim that the religion they broke off from is a heresy, WITHOUT CATHOLICISM THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO PRETESTANTISM, its all mad up bullshit but this logic is particularly retarded bullshit
