Holy shit when will you guys stop focusing on the religion and focus on the culture?
You know what's an instant loss in the political arena? Saying that a man's a terrorist because he's a Muslim. Why? Because they can point to their neighbor next door, or Indonesia, or dead men from a thousand years ago.
Want to attack these problems in a way the lefties can't discredit? Attack their fucking culture. We're dealing with people who grew up in countries who saw women as second-class citizens and an inbred hatred of Western decadence. We have evidence of this happening with immigrants in the West. Connecting "shitty values towards women" with "high rates of rape and sexual assault" is a lot easier to digest, and a lot harder to refute, than "they worship Islam" with "high rates of rape and sexual assault." You will be forcing lefties to defend cultures they do not know, and when they do know it they will struggle to find positives.
Shit, the Islam hate comes naturally out of this, as a part of their culture is giving religion free rein to do whatever it wants, and when you give religion complete control of a society you can expect the worst qualities of that religion to express itself.
>>55898026
>Attacking religion is a liberal no-no.
In what fucking world? They have zero fucking qualms attacking Christians.
Are you implying that Indonesia isn't a shithole.
I am super pissed, but I don't think it makes a bit of difference, guys, the Balls are inert.
>>55898101
Liberals are massive hypocrites, what else is new? They pooh-pooh Christianity but regard Islam as something that shouldn't be attacked, and the few incidents they cannot ignore become insignificant radicals.
>>55898224
I'm implying I've seen people use Indonesia as an argument and it's actually a fairly solid one. Sure Indonesia is a safe haven for terrorists, but it's not a massive producer of terrorism like other countries.
You need to focus on the shitty culture of the people migrating to really hit a nerve with these people, can you really see a lefty putting a real effort in saying "how great Somalian culture is?"
Their religion is their culture.
>>55898360
Not quite, they're connected but not one and the same.
The go-to argument has always been religion and that's the thing that rarely works. You need to bring up culture and focus on it, even if their culture is effectively their religion.
Imagine talking about Somalian or Syrian treatment of women and views on Westerners in a cultural light, and a liberal tries to make the argument about religion. Can you see how much that would fumble, or how easy it would be to paint them as the idiot aggressor?
>>55898360
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Obama and Merkel want us to believe that terrorists areally isolated, meanwhile all Muslims prefer Sharia Law. They won't bring that up. This thread makes sense, but the truth is the culture comes from the Koran and the Hadith, unfortunately the West won't wake up to this, until it is too late. While it is difficult for me to imagine myself being an ostrich, with a head in the sand, it seems that propaganda and poor education, on these matters, are to blame.
>>55898722
>, but the truth is the culture comes from the Koran and the Hadith, unfortunately the West won't wake up to this, until it is too late.
And I'm trying to say people would be able to have their cake and eat it too by targeting culture over religion.
Because holy shit is "they're Muslim therefore intolerant" not working, liberals have been building ways to refute that argument for years, going the culture route leads to the same conclusion but in a way that does not trip most of their defenses.
>>55898026
Unfortunately Islam is a religion, culture, and political ideology all rolled into one.
>>55898921
Like the women who get killed for being raped and it is legal.
>>55898026
This, culture war opens the possibility of west-sympathetic collaborators.
>>55898026
>stop focusing on the religion and focus on the culture?
Different pieces of the same pie.
>>55899817
The difference is, one of those pieces of the pie will set off a shrieking horde of progressives, the other will cause them legitimate cognitive dissonance.
>>55899358
Exactly, that shit is barbaric but saying "Islam, am I right guys?" Is just going to trigger the "NOT EVERY MUSLIM" card that so many people have gotten accustomed to hearing.
Instead, by focusing on how these people grew up in a society that *accepts* that, and they're moving to the West and exhibiting the *same* beliefs is going to get a lot of people worried, and you don't need a single mention if Islam to do it.
>>55899465
yes
>muh rape culture
>muh racist culture
>muh gaming culture
>muh cultural culture
>muh black culture
>muh asian culture
but you have to remember that muslims are not white, therefore muslim culture = good and they will shut out any other argument
>>55898026
>don't focus on the religion, focus on the culture
are you mentally ill?
they're the same thing
>>55898026
>All that fucking pro Islam shilling
Their religion IS their culture. And it promotes the creation of a theocratic government and religious laws.
It needs to die.
>>55900101
They're the same thing viewed at different angles, anon.
It just so happens this angle is much tougher for your typical liberal to refute. There are plenty of places where they can point to "Islam =/= Violent" but it's a lot tougher, and a lot more uncomfortable, for them to say "Somalian/Syrian Culture =/= Violent."
>>55900255
Once you get people on board with stamping out the culture the religion isn't too far behind, anon.
In fact, they will make the religion = culture link on their own when efforts are made to integrate or assimilate and Islam gets in the way.
>>55898026
there's a video circulating around saying all this, i i think its on FBs, its definitaley on my mates' phones
>>55899884
>one of those pieces of the pie will set off a shrieking horde of progressives
You can't keep them from shrieking. They're going to do it regardless because they're fucking retarded and don't want to see what is right in front of them.
Their culture is based on their religion. Their religion is what provides the context and excuses for the behaviors that shape their culture. Trying to couch this in a way to may it more palatable is playing by the rules of the politically correct.
Show them the truth and force-feed it to them until they accept it or don't bother trying. Trying to pass off a diluted version isn't a guarantee that you will be effective out overcoming their denial.
>>55898026
You have it backwards. Judge Islam by scripture and Muhammad, not by individual Muslims. This is easy.
Muhammad = psychopathic paedophile.
Non cherry picking Muslim = emulate the life of Muhammad.
This isn't rocket science.
>>55900324
>but it's a lot tougher, and a lot more uncomfortable, for them to say "Somalian/Syrian Culture =/= Violent."
Lol no it's not. Didn't you know that the muslims we get are the nice muslims who are just running away from the bad muslims. :)
>>55900359
>Their culture is based on their religion. Their religion is what provides the context and excuses for the behaviors that shape their culture.
You need people to come to this conclusion themselves, anon, and the best way to do this is set them on the path that will help them realize this.
It just so happens the easiest path to do this is focusing on culture. Once people start bumping into religion they'll realize both of them intimately play off each other.
>Trying to couch this in a way to may it more palatable is playing by the rules of the politically correct.
This isn't quite true because most of the politically correct have a much easier time of shooting down "Islamaphobes" than the "culturally concerned."
>>55900503
Except you're playing right into the left's hands by doing this, once you start bringing up Islam then they have a whole list of countries or people or periods of history that goes against the "Islam = Violent" argument, and at the end of the day these debates ALWAYS end with no one as the clear winner.
"Is an explicitly backwards and violent culture actually violent and backwards" is a lot easier to sell to an audience than the same "Is Islam violent" argument they've heard a billion times before. It didn't work on 2001, it didn't work when people were getting beheaded in the UK, it didn't work during the rise of ISIS and it isn't working now.
>>55898026
>anime
Are you 12?
>>55900789
>anime-hating swede
Are you a mega c.uck pleb?
>>55899983
Ok. This makes sense guys.
Too many people are ignorant of the religion, but the culture will show the facts. The list of punishments and how to treat the wives, etc.
Compile all the crap from each version, like North African customs, Saudi customs, Syrian, Afghan customs, etc.
>>55898026
Those are well known facts and fucks sake mate, even in some African countries from the south they aren't as conservatives as the goat fuckers from the mid east. I had a Muslim friend that never used a burca in her life.
I swear to god there's something misterious going on with that box. It's probably an alien artifact and the closer you are to it the more fucked in the head you get.
>>55898026
>"Look at all these MODERATE MUSLIM™ countries!"
>its still illegal to build churches, there's still Islamic insurgency, there's still Muslim attacks on Christians and atheists, there's still forced marriages, there's still Islamic barbarism ie: Sharia
>>55898026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=684dwZPjiow
>>55900789
>Being on 4chan
>Hating anime
Then what the fuck are you doing here, son?
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Remember that torture scene in Three Kings?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tmN43MiZqw
Those raised in Islamic cultures listen to Michael Jackson, play PS4, and get their notions of badassery from Arnold Schwarzenegger movies.
The U.S. already won the culture war. They beat the Soviets that way, and they'll beat ISIS that way. The current surge by Islam is a desperate last attempt to hold onto their tradition while they watch their children growing up with smartphones.
Even if they outbreed those from Western cultures, they still want to live with the comforts valued in Western society. The cultural war has been of massive importance since the 20th century, and doesn't get the recognition that other factors like the military industrial complex gets. Hollywood has a huge political significance.
It may seem a wasteful and inefficient way to wage war, but think about how many military projects had billions poured into them during the Cold War, in the hopes that some of them would bear fruit. Some of those projects were sure to directly contribute little to Western success, but they still had to pour those resources down the hole in order to get the few that would bear fruit. Even with those failed projects, there were aspects of research that could be cross-referenced and provide some useful return for the investment, even though such benefits were impossible to predict from the outset at the stage when resources were being allocated there instead of elsewhere. That wastefulness is abhorrent as an ideal, but pragmatically necessary. The same thing happens with cultural productions. Most of it is garbage, and most of the money in the cultural sector goes towards nothing purposeful other than providing for the self-interested individuals looking to further their own comfort. But among those failed projects are a few that make Western culture the envy of the entire world. How that happens is impossible to predict, but it's pragmatically necessary.
>>55898026
Why not both?
>>55901255
See >>55901111
You want the migrants out of these countries? Then point out how utterly terrible their cultures are and how we want absolutely none of that in our borders.
Pointing out Moderate Islam™ is counter-productive because it makes the argument one of race and not of culture, which is a field the left is intimately familiar with and consistently wins or breaks even in. It's easy for a liberal to destroy a "Radical Islam" argument by using the NOT EVERY MUSLIM card, it's much harder for them to destroy a "Somalian culture is toxic" argument by using evidence that Somalian society is actually very progressive and friendly (they can't even use the "but they naturalize" argument because surprise surprise, look at the crime rates.)
>>55902004
>Pointing out Moderate Islam™ is counter-productive because it makes the argument one of race
Islam isn't a race you fucking retard.
>>55898026
>We're dealing with people who grew up in countries who saw women as second-class citizens
This is instructed by the Quran you dumb weeb.
>>55898026
Because religion is their primary justification for their actions. It's dishonest to ignore that.
Christians don't get all defensive when people criticize the Catholic church. Because we accept the fact that the Catholics used Christian doctrine as a tool of conquest.
Muslims simply can't accept that their religion can be used for violence. They always, always attempt to paint the antagonist as un-Islamic.
>>55901774
Exactly, the Middle East *wants* us to focus on targeting their religion because it's practically impossible for the West to meaningfully change Islam, and it keeps us from targeting their culture.
This is actually the reason for Bin Laden's attacks on the West, he grew up watching the elite of Saudi Arabia pervert or alter their culture to better indulge in Western comforts and it disgusted him. It's why many of the initial terrorists, and in fact many of the current ones, are not religious fanatics but true believers in dying cultures that hold religion as some great, important thing.
>>55902173
While many of those arguments somehow start up on race, I apologize for writing that, I wanted to say "religion."
>>55898026
I'll just keep calling them pedophile worshippers.
>>55901774
Also, I forgot to mention porn. Porn is a huge player in the cultural war.
Muslim shills are out in full force today.
Absolutely disgusting.
>>55901774
Bump, because I am reading every sentence more than once.
>>55900713
You keep missing the point mate, I know what you are saying, here let me explain differently:
No one says all Muslims are bad, no one says all Muslims are terrorists, these are the non sequiturs the left use and should be challenged.
The point is that Muslims aren't bad, but Islam is. The good doesn't contradict the bad in Islam because its dualistic. What is evil is the ideology, not necessarily the follower.
ISIS = most broad interpretation of Islam because the follow the good and bad.
"Moderate" Muslims ignore the evil in Islam, this is called cherry picking.
If the left cannot understand this then they can never be reasoned with, we move on.
Bump for discussion
>>55903479
>If the left cannot understand this then they can never be reasoned with, we move on
Wouldn't the "moving on" in this case be a focus on Middle Eastern culture and how it's incompatible with Western society?
>>55898026
Indonesia is a filthy backwards country that makes China look liberal. Where does this retarded meme come from? Indonesians would rather drown on the way to Australia than live there.
