> no Navy
> no Air-force
> no weapons of mass destruction
> not a real Economic force
> bunch of peasants with mild funding
> Intelligence agencies of Western Powers are capable of pinning down any individual in any part of the globe
It seems to me that it is a force that was either created by the Western Powers or allowed to exist by them, so it can be used by the West as an excuse for proxy wars, and, eventually, a third global conflagration.
They have existed since 1999 or so, but under different name.
They was mainly in Iraq causing minor trouble there in 2011.
Lately, they have managed to secure oilfields in East Syria, and also have looted shitton of weapons from dead Iraqi military personels.
They became really popular with the Clashing of the Swords video, which caused plenty of Muslim betas to go to be recruited
>inb4 IT'S DA AMERICANS
Why would West want World War 3?
It makes no sense
The only thing they're after is Syria by any means possible
However it seems that ISIS is getting out of control and soon they won't be able to contain it
>>55806844
The only weapon that DAESH has is the so called morality the West claims to have.
kamikaze suicide bombers/shooters
/thread
>>55807203
This is why we need to bomb and secure the oil fields. This is too mean for libs to consider. When Trump wins we will entrap them and let them starve to death
>>55807627
That alone cannot destabilize a nation. That can only create terror. And then, that terror is used by everyone as a political and ideological force.
https://youtu.be/jg_mZv_SdZw
>>55806844
Backing from US government and secret intelligence just like how Mexico's cartels are allowed to run rampant without being considered a threat despite being multi billionaires.
>>55807317
They aim to become some sort of Umayyad/Ottoman empire: electric boogaloo
Reason why they have quite alot of territory in Syria and Iraq is due to them being quite influential and gaining alot of monetary funds from from trading resources in disguise and looting alot of money and weapons in their territory.
The excuse for the conspiracy theory of the US creating/funding them is mostly just "to create muh unstable middle-east" which serves no benefits to the US at when they already have great relations with most of the Arabs except for Syrian government. Hell, ISIS even started off in US-controlled Iraq, that the US had spent years on to attempt at stabilizing them again.
It's probably true that they funded FSA when they were more secular, and that it was really dumb of them to not think of possible shitty outcomes this would have, but the entire nature itself of the Islamic State contradicts the theory of US funding them.
>>55806844
The only reason ISIS is a threat to Western europe is the absence of borders within the European union. Really, it may sound like an oversimplification but everything can be traced back to that simple policy. It also explains why the first reaction of countries overrun by refugees or attacked by terrorists is to close their borders. No borders = no country = no defense against anything.
>>55807803
>backing of US government
There's no objective goal of the US doing this. It's less logical of the theory that the US is backing cartel members to cause illegal immigrants to come in and vote Democrats.
>>55807823
>"to create muh unstable middle-east" which serves no benefits to the US
but it does serve well to our zionist masters
how else will you build greater israel with all the mudshits lying around
if the western world really want to destroy the area its no problem. But total destruction is so 45
I wonder if jihadi John was even a real person? Interesting that he always masked his face in the videos.
>>55806844
Mass immigration.
>>55806844
globalization
diversity
telecommunications
these make global networks possible for muslims radicals
>>55806844
>It seems to me that it is a force that was either created by the Western Powers or allowed to exist by them, so it can be used by the West as an excuse for proxy wars, and, eventually, a third global conflagration.
Pretty much.
And lack of wanton total war means that such a threat can't be completely stamped out. If countries were allowed to go WW2, the entirety of the middle east would be ashes and things would be different. But that's now how things work in this day and age.
>>55807917
norway pls
Indirect US support
Because muslims want everyone to bow down to Allah. Radical or non-radicals have same goal.
And due to large number of muslims in Europe, it's quite easy to awake 2-3 guys to kill in name of God.
>>55806844
Because we keep saying "not all muslims are like that" and go back to our daily routine.
>>55806844
>bunch of peasants with mild funding
>Intelligence agencies of Western Powers are capable of pinning down any individual in any part of the globe
This is your error. These people are raking in millions of dollars a day selling discount oil from captured fields, not to mention the contributions they receive from like-minded radicals.
Furthermore, your assumptions of the reach of intelligence agencies are inflated, probably due to what you see in films and television. These are people who are often times born without any documentation, who never touch a computer, and whose convictions result in far fewer security leaks than other modern paramilitary organizations.
It's one thing to monitor somebody who sits at home all day posting, and another to monitor cells with no fixed location, sworn to secrecy, wholly devoted to achieving their ends.
>>55807925
Israel would be much more vulnerable with an unstable Middle-East, considering that the foreign policy of them thanks to America is fine among all neighboring nations except probably Syria. Imagine alot of jew hating terrorist organizations running rampant around the middle east. It would be even worse than Palestine. And even just that small part is something Israel does nothing to get back because of UN resolutions
>>55808113
No really, there's no objective goal in doing so. Iraq is literally a puppet state, and that's where ISIS mostly started of from back in 2011
This is ultimately an immigration and naturalization law problem, not a military one.
It's not like there's an Islamic State Navy sinking anyone's merchant ships or otherwise menacing the high seas, or an Islamic State Air Force able to get through anyone's air defences here.
We're talking about a large band of men with small arms occupying only part of two backwater countries in the Middle East. They pose no external threat to us.
All you need to do to stop 9/11s, 7/7s and 11/13s from happening is to not let people from the sort of backgrounds and places that tend to do these sorts of things in.
That's it. Draw a big red line around Arabia, North Africa, and Indonesia. With very few exceptions, absolutely don't let any more people from those places into your country, and no-one from there will be able to behead, shoot or blow up any of your civilians.
Get your intelligence agency to check up on the current citizens from these backgrounds who were let in or who are the descendants of immigrants let in over the past few decades, and if there are people found to be unmistakably hostile and dangerous, strip them of their citizenship and send them home.
Sounds a little raciss I know but it seems like a pretty solid foolproof idea to me, and the best out of a number of bad options.
>>55806844
Because retarded feel-good liberals decided to import them into their countries.
>>55806844
>serious threat to the western world
they didn't
they aren't
bees kill more people in the west than ISIS you fucking retard
>>55808332
I don't remember bees stinging over 120 people in a Western city to death in a single night.
>>55808188
This is one of the most obtuse posts ever made.
Go watch an ISIS propaganda video.
>>55808188
Who's buying their oil, though? Those funds should be able to be tracked and identified.
The rest of your post seems logical.
>>55808875
Probably anyone who isn't against their cause. Iran, maybe even the Saudis, civilians in the area. African nations too.
>>55808396
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/9359763/Bee-stings-killed-as-many-in-UK-as-terrorists-says-watchdog.html
And lets not even get started on deaths from smoking, drinking, driving or diet (the worst by far)
OMG saturated fat is a threat to the western world!
ISIS are a puppet show
>>55806844
They aren't a serious threat. We aren't even seriously trying to stop them.
>Destroying historically significant buildings
>Intimidating people to empty their lands
>Fighting Assad's government
ISIS is doing exactly what our governments want them to do. Those pesky historical sites are sitting on top of some major resources. We let the comic book villains destroy them and there's nothing to stop us from plundering the rare earths and oil contained there in.
>>55806844
> How did ISIS became a serious threat to the Western World?
Joe Biden: "I Am A Zionist. You Don't Have To A Jew To Be A Zionist"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo-UXZ-1ups
Pgs. 287-293 (291) JW v DOD and State 14-812
https://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/pgs-287-293-291-jw-v-dod-and-state-14-812-2/
US VP Biden: We Couldn't Convince Our Mideast Allies to Stop Supporting Extremists in Syria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w04YE5zRmc8
Do your math, Goy.
The ISIS that runs Raqqa and Mosul and whatnot is not a threat to the west. Muslims in the Western world that sympathize with ISIS are the threat.
>>55808396
>muh 24 hour analogy
There are more annual deaths by bees than annual deaths by terrorism
Didn't we JUST look at the charts comparing "Death by Guns" to "Death by Terrorism" in America LITERALLY 2 months ago?
Second of all, ISIS isn't a terrorist cell, they're a militia.
>>55809109
LOL
I love the fact that so much trash is in these IS threads. You guys go talk about gunrights and let these IS discussions to those that know their shit.
Iran is IS's archenemy. IS wants to destroy and convert the 'Safavid' Iranians. You should know that apostates are the worst in IS opinion. And in their opinion Shiites aren't muslim, so they should be dealt with.
>>55809261
>Those pesky historical sites are sitting on top of some major resources
Hey, FUCK You Amerifat
If ISIS successfully bombs the Statue of Liberty you'll be crying bloody murder with the rest of your amerifat brothers by the end of the year
>>55809474
LOL
so who is buying the oil?
Real answer: Ayy lmaos helped them subtly. They want WW3 so they can cleanse the world of degeneracy and start over. Some genetically and morally superior humans will be selected and taken to Mars and put in "garden of Eden" zoos to preserve them whilst earth rots. Some humans will survive on earth and eventually create a degraded race. Nature will take over. All traces and memories of human civilisation will disappear. Superior humans will then be sent back down to earth to rule over this degraded race and use them as labour. This has happened already in history 1000s of times and is cryptically encoded in mythology and religion.
Consider yourself redpilled
The only really good weapon muslims have are human shields.
>>55809261
YOU KNOW WHAT
I AINT LETTING YOU GET AWAY WITH THIS
I AM SO FUCKING MAD OF AMERIAN JEWS SAYING "WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THEIR HISTORICAL SITES" WHEN THEIR STATUE IS THE BIGGEST FUCKING HISTORICAL SITE THEIR COUNTRY HAS AND BOMBING IT WOULD CAUSE A HUGE WORLDWIDE SHOCK
You guys are just lucky ISIS is retarded. If they really wanted to inflict terror they could make 9/11 look like a training simulator
>>55810015
>AMERIAN
different country bruv
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZWVhpbs.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
The actual truth is that islamic terrorism is VERY effective. It's such a backwards barbaric way of fighting that we just can't handle it. We don't have a pool of literally a billion supporters around the world who many of which are ready to die and kill for their beliefs RUTHLESSLY. How do you defeat an enemy that welcomes death? We just can't handle it.
>>55810130
Just find another Black Jack Pershing
>>55806844
Because the libs literally opened the battle lines of the west and let them flood in to support their flawed and unrealistic liberal ideology.
>>55806844
>no Air-force
actually ISIS do have aircraft all they need is a pilot
>no weapons of mass destruction
didn't one of their video show a massive missile which they can transport to and fire at any location, Also they can obtain weapons of mass destruction.
> bunch of peasants with mild funding
Actually some of their fighters are well trained
> no Navy
They can hire Somali Pirates
>>55810295
holy shit, that's the ticket
they aren't afraid to actually do something, we can't use our weapons of mass destruction because of left-wing shits
>>55806844
Its just another form of weaponised islam. And they have 1.6 billion more weapons.
because globalists who dont give a fuck about the west have companies that are subsidized by the governments to manage the refugees. and they have companies that benifit from the cheap labor.
If a bunch of monkeys kill a few frogs or whatever thats not their problem.
>>55806844
They have one weapon stronger than them all, my wall building friend... They have the weapon of liberal naivety.
>>55807203
nah
when Iraq fell in 2003 their military intelligence leadership began forming ISIS
there was a documentary and thorough reporting on it a few years back...
>>55806844
They sprang up out of no where. The western countries are putting together freedom fighters to stop these evil people.
>>55806844
Open borders in Europe, dude.
They just walk into Europe with fake passports, claiming to be refugees.
Then accept Western food-stamps which they use to acquire guns and bomb-materials for a few months and then attack.
It's easy. We're literally paying them to do it.
>>55806844
I could type up a massive run down of why we are in the shitstorm we currently exist in at this time but that would take a few hours to completely flesh out, explain everything, and go into detail including links for references, sources, etc. (just screaming hate is useless without having solid facts to back it up) but a simple explanation is the following. If you want a more in depth explanation on how terrorism has evolved over the past 50-60 years I strongly suggest taking a look at a book called "Dirty Wars" by Jeremy Scahill
It started in the 50's when we were at the time deathly afraid of the communist's thinking they would come into our homes and take our children away from us. So we started investing heavily in the CIA and giving them more funding and leeway then they had ever had before. Having them subvert governments or foreign parties we didn't support or felt agreed with our idea of what society should become. This went on in secrecy til 1961 (aka bay of pigs for faggots who don't know history) when all of america and the whole world saw what the "darkside" of the government was doing. Which resulted in a complete political disaster but also helped contribute in even more of a focus of clandestine operations by our government agencies and that event served as the first major learning lesson for us.
We continued to do this and giving the CIA more and more room to operate around the world through until our next big fuck up which was the Iranian hostage crisis in the early 80's (you can trace the cause of that all the way back to the fucking 50's when we overthrew Irans democratically elected president at the time). Again there was a political backlash but we didn't learn our lesson and instead continued to invest in black op operations against our enemies and within a few years even our own allies.
continued.
They're really not a threat. They were created by the CIA, are allowed to persist by the rest of the armed forces, and are inflated by our own MSM propaganda machine.
>>55811266
Fast forward to 1980 and we decided to create the mother of all counter-terrorism organizations. JSOC. The goal of JSOC at the time was to better prepare us by avoiding past mistakes such as Operation Eagle Claw (aka the Iranian Hostage Crisis), at it's creation is nothing compared to what it would turn into the 90's into the mid 2000's and today.
Over the years major DoD, Pentagon, White House, players would start contributing in it's eventual pinnacle these men were at the time had major pull in government such as McChrystal, McCraven, Cheney, Schoomaker, etc. There goal was to make JSOC even bigger by creating a universal "kill force" that could be anywhere at any time. While having no oversight whatsoever which would enable them to do whatever they pleased (essentially imagine /pol/ being given top of the line combat training, having no oversight and being told to just seek out whatever terrorism subjects they could find regardless of proof of guilt).
continued
>fucking foot cramp holy shit won't fucking go away kill me now
>>55812382
Which would lead us into JSOC operations against terrorist organizations in Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Niger. A lot of the time we were in the wrong and actually helping out the people who were killing all of the innocents but because they weren't Muslim the poster child for this behavior is Somalia. In the beginning before the rangers were sent in and got their asses kicked. Mogadishu and Somalia actually had a centralized government sure it was relatively weak but it provided protection for the civilian population and actually did a reasonable job of doing it, but here is the problem they would harbor known terrorists and JSOC knew this so they decided to start funding the warlords to help overthrow the ruling government in return for freedom to operate black sites to try and capture terrorist's. Obviously this didn't sit well with the populace who saw us and the warlords as the bad guys (rightfully so desu) but in our eyes we were doing what was right even though it was morally grey. But anyways us funding the warlords which in turn caused chaos in Somalia lead to the extreme rise in support for islam because a lot of the organizations that we were trying to eradicate started playing robin hood for the populace (winning hearts and minds amirite). Guess what that support for muslim extremists? Yeah it started to spread to everywhere that we had our hands in. It was basically Vietnam on a global scale we were trying to eradicate the one thing that kept growing and wouldn't go away. Continue after 9/11 until now and we still continue to do this, we still haven't learned our lesson. I can type up more but that took a lot longer then I had thought...
>Oh and Obama has actually done more to combat terrorism then Bush Jr., Clinton, and Bush Sr. combined. Eat that you fucking brainwashed "obama is a traitor" keks
>inb4liberal
>I vote conservative
