What age were you when you grew out of religion?
I think I realised I was an atheist at 12-13.
*tips fedora*
>>55738564
There are no atheists in soup kitchens
>>55739091
I think I'd rather trust in the human mind and rationalise my situation using my knowledge of psychology that trust in an imaginary god.
>>55739091
There are plenty, actually.
>>55738564
14-15.
>>55738564
16 but believed again in middle 20's because of tough life situation. Unfortunately, took till I was 27 to snap back to reality.
>>55739246
what does that have to do with the prompt to do good?
Even in the context of your OP image, how is declaring 'the right thing' as the 'human thing to do', and therefore dehumanizing anyone who doesn't do it, any better than doing the right thing due to the expectation of reward?
>>55739369
A christian who dispenses a hot meal instead of the word of god doesn't count as an atheist.
>>55738564
I never believed in god ...
>>55738564
I don't think I've ever followed religion seriously
I just can't bring myself to do it.
>>55739795
me neither
>>55738564
The fuck is "the right thing?"
I DO THIS THING I SAY IS RIGHT CAUSE ITS HUMAN
WELL I HAPPEN TO DISAGREE THAT THAT IS THE RIGHT THING
OH WELL GUESS WE'RE STUCK
no better than religionfags
>>55739779
An atheist that dispenses a hot meal instead of sharing their opinion doesn't count as a Christian.
You all know that our morals come from evolution? We discern good and bad from evolution not from "faith" in any "god".
I never was religious.
Always thought it was a very stupid idea.
>>55738564
So you are 14?
>>55738564
when did you have to tell yourself you were a good person
i remember when i was a middle schooler
>>55738564
Stalin was one of the best atheists out there.
>>55738564
All humans are born for their own desire(Evil). Doing good is just act no matter what the reason. However, is that act in and of itself not as valuable as purely good act?
>>55742633
My post is so awful that im gonna put me drunk self to sleep.
>implying I'm a default 'good' person
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
>>55738564
about 16, realized that it's all fantasy and bullshit. If it empowers you to do good then good for you.
>>55742939
>espression
fix that bro
>>55738564
>age 12-13
>ask mummy for an ice lolly
>mummy says no
>pray for an ice lolly
>never got one
>start believing in Richard Dawkins
kek. Every time.
>>55738564
When I became an edgy teenager, thank God I grew out of that embarrassing phase lol
>>55738564
Alright, let's tackle this idiocy. There is nothing *intrinsically* wrong about doing things for reward or out of fear of punishment; non-religious people who say this just do so to get a smug, undeserved sense of moral superiority, because it doesn't align with reality at all as we know it. Otherwise those communist 'utopias' would have been more successful.
You have to look at this from the religious person's point of view: If you sincerely believe you will either be blessed or punished *for eternity* in the afterlife depending on her actions in this life, it makes a damn lot of sense to do things to reach one ending or avoid another.
The picture also ignores the journey is very important to the destination --there's a whole life to be lived in order to reach Heaven or Hell and that life is full of challenges and struggles. In life it comes naturally to think in terms of what will gratify you or benefit you than what you 'ought' to do or being altruistic. It is even harder to be pious versus just be a 'good person' in a worldly sense because more is demanded of you; God's judgement will trump man's judgement. I'm sure the idiot who made the picture meant to say that doing the right thing is the *humane* thing to do because doing the wrong thing is very, very human (plus I'm more many people would consider doing the right thing to the point of self-abnegation to be very unhuman-like). But continuous conscious action has an effect on the character and even with the incentive of Heaven and disincentive of Hell, the doing of good becomes meaningful in itself. You could say works help mold individuals fit for their eternal fate.
Anyway, never did. It was my parent's choice for me to be a member of a religion, and when I came of age I found myself to not be a believer. Also didn't inherit an angsty hatred for religion; more of a fascination.
How old are you now, OP? 14?
I can't remember ever actually believing in religion more than a fairy tale which I think is a side effect of an evangelical upbringing from people who are trying to modernize religion and turn it into cartoons (like veggie tales) to try and appeal to kids. I think religion just gets subliminally put on par with all the other cartoons and children's stories that they're told
I never really cared about religion until I started watching debates when I was 17 but I remember thinking it was pretty retarded at times during "christian foundations" classes at school
>>55739091
Aktually,
In Australia, thanks to 'work for the dole' there are plenty of all kinds of scum working in soup kitchens and other volunteer positions so much so that the second-hand shop I volunteered at said I should do other things with my time because they had all these guys working for free.
I don't think it's any more moral to help people because you think you'll be rewarded by eternal paradise if you do and punished if you don't than to help people because if you don't you'll be punished. It's all selfish at the end of the day.
>>55738564
Come back when you *realise* and understand that you are going to die otherwise you're just another of the big fucking mouthes waving their intellectual penis around and wanting everyone to say WOW.
>>55743628
Based.
>>55738564
all this says is that the religious do the right thing more often because they feel compelled to.
While atheists only do so when they feel like it.
>>55738564
I was raised by atheist parents, so I never believed in God.
I remember when I was a little kid I would pray to people who I thought were cool from movies - William Wallace, Maximus Decimus, Major Shaefer, Conan the Barbarian. They were my deities.
Still makes more sense than the God botherers.
>>55743628
wut
>>55739091
But the english offered soup to the down and out irish to convert to being a prod, then they would switch back to get more soup. Stop talking bollocks.
Was never one for religion, the priests would never give a clear answer and that always annoys me, when someone talks in circles when asked a direct question.
Atheists have complete inability to reason what the right thing to do is so overwhelmingly support things like abortion and are prone to shooting uo their schools.
>>55738564
most atheists are degenerates who don't do good.
I grew out of it at 14, ran back to it at 18, then kinda fell out of it into agnosticism, and a belief that if there is an omnipotent creator that can be called God then He's done a poor job, around 24.
>>55744022
What exactly do you waant to know? If you're unable to ask a direct question, how do you expect to get a direct answer? What you're doing is describing a vague sense of uncertainty regarding a subject illustrated and revered using symbols. There are no direct answers unless you first accept the premise as True. People who accept Science has truth do so because they first accept the premise that our sense perceptions are infallible.
>>55744157
>most
You mean the sjws and femishits atheists are degenerates who don't do good.
But the same can be said for religious people.
Most atheists don't even mention it outside of the internet.
I'd even say most atheists just say they follow whatever religion is more prominent where they live.
Saying you're an atheist is social suicide for most, hence why it's mostly mentioned in the internet.
>>55744367
Just stuff when I was small, asked about why god hates the devil and why doesn't god forgive him if he is loving? I was like 5. Whats this crap about science? never mentioned it.
>>55744839
I made a presumption based on previous experience that those who disdain religion usually advocate for science and academia.
How old are you now?
>>55744671
not to mention that Christians can be pretty big on SJW.
>>55738564
>being atheist or religious
both are stupid but there is nobility in religion, agnosticism is objectively the least stupid stance to take on religion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDX6F_O5XB0
>>55745069
>how old are you now
oh boy here comes the shaming tactics
>>55745164
you either believe or you don't so if you don't believe you are an atheist.
>>55738564
eyy stop being a whining faggot spreading you ideas. Don't be proud of being an atheist, be proud that you are willing to learn more about the world.
Faggot.
>>55738564
>>55738564
>atheists
>doing the right thing ever
>>55745199
you dont fucking know me asshole. Stupid american cunt has to be in complete contol of any conversation before he thinks it's interesting, egomaniacal prick
>>55738564
> Atheists do the right thing
...most often to flash themselves with 'I'm an atheist and I am helping' or 'See? I don't need religion to do good!'
And also they most appear on those liberal charities, like getting money to support fags.
>>55745069
>I made a presumption based on previous experience that those who disdain religion usually advocate for science and academia.
You know what they say about assumptions poland.
>>55745462
I don't know you. I can only judge based on your comments. There was zero reason to ask for his age other than to imply that he is wrong because he is young and inexperienced instead of hearing his argument.
>>55738564
>atheists
>doing the right thing
Only in reddit edgelord fantasies.
>>55745491
Are you looking for the perfect person? someone who can read your speech patterns and nuances perfectly? Someone who knows you better than you know yourself? Odds are you're not going to find him. That kind of person only comes along every thousand years or so. Jesus was one of those people.
>>55738564
>>55745562
get to fuck. I've got no fucking patience for insolent ignorant colonists who don't know their arses from their elbows.
>>55745825
Ok, have a good night/day.
>>55745714
Your shit posting needs work.
Around 13 for me as well. Drifted from atheism in my teens to agnosticism in my 20's.
Went through the typical anti-deist phase but nowadays Islam is the only religion I have any contempt for.
>supports "the jewz did it" boogeyman
>believes in jewish fairy tales
why
>>55745978
How do you feel about religious Jews?
They still think it's ok to suck bleeding baby penis. I say fuck their tradition.
>>55738564
Atheists do the right thing as long as it's comfortable. Obviously, most people are capable of acting in a moral fashion and most of them will do so as long as it's convenient. Some of them will even do so against their own best interests - they'll return that wallet they found lying on the sidewalk, even though no one would know if they kept it.
But they won't keep that same morality when their basic needs are threatened because they only hold that morality due to their own selfishness. A comfortable atheist might be the height of morality but a starving atheist won't hesitate to start killing people for a bite of food. The only thing their morality is based on is their own pleasure at acting in a way that allows them to consider themselves a "good person". That reasoning doesn't hold up to conflict.
>>55738564
i was briefly a fedora tipper for about 9 months when i was 17, 10 years ago, then i became an anglican when i turned 18
>>55738564
Since when is atheism about doing right and moral things? Thought it was a selfish religion where you do as you please
i grew into christianity
i vividly remember the prayers at school, and just parroting them without even thinking about it. i never considered it was possible anything could exist outside my consciousness. i didn't think anything could exist past the town i lived, because i had never been outside of my town at the age of 5.... that's a bit like the atheist mind. it's so narrow and blinkered.
then i actually thought about what atheism meant believing in (nothing creating the everything) and i grew up
I never bought it. I went to Sunday School when I was young (5-8ish) and just never bought it.
My sister and I were always given two $2 coins each for the collection plates, one for the Church, one for "the poor" and I remember looking at this nice big building we were in and thinking "but the poor don't have this" (my understanding of "the poor" was pretty limited) so I'd put both coins in the poor bowl.
Mum and dad knew it wasn't for me so they stopped sending me. Our primary school had RE (Religious Education) which was really only one denomination of Christianity (can't remember which) rather than learning about lots of religions, and none of us kids gave a shit. We just drew dicks on the people in the pamphlets.
I live a good life without it. I'm charitable and empathetic. I honestly never think about it. I feel there's an expectation that atheists walk around all day thinking about atheism, but we don't. No more than Christians walk around thinking of Vishnu.
>>55738564
>cult of reason
>cult of the supreme being
>calles law
>league of the militant godless
>red guard
>juche
>khmer rouge
>>55745978
islam is the only religion in the west that is authentically expressing reverence for God and an objective definition of Humanity as God's creation. Christianity is in the thrall of Secularism and a deep deep trough. The West, through Secualrism and Universal Values isn't waging a war on Terror they are waging a War on God.
>>55746287
>where you do as you please
Do as you please can include good and selfless things.
11-12. The only time I have been religious is when I went to a Christian centre during summer holidays. They'd take us on day trips then go back to the centre to pray and talk in tongues all evening
>>55743769
Very good point. Goodhearted impulse is whimsical and thus such actions have less weight. Bad people can do good things because they feel like it.
>>55738564
The twnder young age of 6 jswhen i realized there are mo gods.
>>55746365
>We just drew dicks on the people in the pamphlets.
kek
>>55738564
Your autism flared up at 12-13
>>55746570
What religion is the 'e' referring to?
I was 15. One of the most freeing and pivotal moments in my life. I'll never forget the feeling of breaking free from that disgusting fucking death cult. Nearly a decade later and I still remember it fondly.
>>55746570
The primary reason why people don't believe in God is because God doesn't give you what you want, God only gives you what you need. You'll find when you think about it that the other group who predominantly act this way are very young children.
>>55746758
Autism
>>55738564
I was atheist since as far as I remember.
Then at the age of 16 I came to the brilliant conclusion that ignosticism is the only actual rational answer
>>55746833
I don't have autism. No one I know is religious below the age of 60.
>>55746758
how do you feel about your death and do you ever consider the possibility you will change?
>>55738564
Youngish, before teenage years I guess.
I like to imagine their is some form of god, if only because the concept of "everything is a coincidence" that science throws around just doesn't do it for me, but we'll never know for sure one way or the other so what's the point in trying to please some omnipresent creator that may or may not exist?
>>55746624
>>55746833
Just stop, that's so childish. Nobody's going to read that and think "Good point" and then convert for you.
>>55746896
How? Do you like 3 friends or something
>>55746898
There is no way I'm ever going back to it. I know that one day I will die and there's nothing I can do about it. Therefore, I will live my life to the fullest.
>>55746967
You're wrong because I JUST converted. Praise Krishna!
>>55747050
No I have a bunch, New England is the least religious area of this nation.
>>55738564
The fallacy here is that atheists tend not to do the right thing, and its far more obvious than they seem to think.
>>55747062
Hare Hare!
Actually 'Go Vinda' does really nice food.
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>>55747150
Kitchens of India food packets are pretty gud m8
Namaste
>>55747252
What a mature and well thought out response. Truly quality dialogue.
>>55738564
hah. you don't get what religion is all about.
because you *are* good, you become religious.
it's not the other way around, fedorafag
>>55747252
>swearing
You're going to hell
>>55747337
Why would being a good person make me forget everything I know about biology, history, geology, physics and chemistry?
>>55747052
Do you know what abstract thought is as opposed to a conscious awareness of a thing? And I'm not talking about changing back as such, I'm referring to the possibility that as you grow and accumulate life experience do you think it might mean you change from teh person you are now into something like another person or, more accurately perhaps, a modified version of who you are now?
>>55747441
kek
>>55747441
because science doesn't have any answers to the question of evil
The foolish follow religion and believes in God without question.
The average intellect sees through religion and disowns God.
The intelligent mind discovers God and sees the societal benefits of religion.
How does it feel to be merely average, OP?
>>55743159
Who is the guy on the left?
But if an Atheist believes in no higher power, then their technically is no right or wrong from an objective point of view for them.
>>55738564
>labeling yourself
>>55747593
but religion has different answers to that question while ethics is an ongoing study
>>55747756
I believe in objective right and wrong as an atheist but that it's an ongoing process of learning it.
>>55747820
labels are useful when engaging in normal conversation so you don't have to explain everything
>>55747820
ibba dibba flop flippy duu?
>>55738564
I am a probabilist
The probabillity of god existing based on Pascals Wager is faulty because it does not include the possibillity of other types of gods AND the key extra probabillity of god rewarding good behavior
And god punishing good behaviour for the lulz i.e there should be 6 boxes not 4
>>55747847
>ethics is an ongoing study
Here's a common misconception. Ethics isn't about what's right and wrong, no, Ethics is about what's *permissible*. And that's why it's an ongoing study. Everything in Science and Academic Political philosophy is "an ongoing study" because in all these fields there is no absolute.
It presumes that we fragile and flawed creatures, totally dependent on our feeble senses, can unerringly chart our own course through this Reality.
>>55738564
I've never really believed, my parents and grandparents neither. When I was 8 or 9 years old I've tried to read some kind of "Bible for children". It was awful, so many logical failures from the start on, oh man, I even can't remember if I've ever finished the book.
>>55748221
Not how I view it, no.
>>55738564
9, just don't care for going to church.
Never understood god argument, religion helped people go stupid an stupider go even more.
Tolerant mostly.
>>55748036
>atheist
>normal conversation
stop killing my sides anon
>>55747093
It's like you guys just love shitting on history or something.
>>55747847
Ethics will never provide an answer to that question because it lies beyond its boundaries. It's a question that encompasses many things about existence, such as emotion, spiritualism, philosophy, logic, reason. It's the ultimate question, actually: do you really think something as feeble and academia-infected as ethics is going to solve it? Don't make me laugh.
The only religion that is closest to answering the dilemma is Christianity, with its higher ideals such as sin, consciousness, redemption, remorse, sacrifice, etc.
The other so-called 'religions' are utter New Age shit.
And don't even get me started on Judaism.
>>55748342
If you're talking about *your* Ethics being a study as to Right and Wrong, then you're not talking about ethics, you're talking about Morals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL-caa81V60
>>55747593
What do you mean? Being selfish is evil. Every example of evil in culture or any story is an example of someone only thinking for themselves or being destructive.
>>55748430
>>55747441
>>55748560
Not interested in your narrative.
>>55748524
Religion states something is wrong simply because it is wrong. It doesn't have to prove itself.
>>55738564
Atheists: creating an environment where Islam can flourish.
I hate militant atheists as much as I hate leftists.
>>55738564
That image makes me cringe, the person who wrote it is no different from a religious person, both don't know why they do good things. "the human thing to do" means nothing.
The baseline for moral consideration is established with science, sentience being a key component. Not some "muh golden rule" bullshit.
>>55748644
Nope, friend. Christianity begins with a very simple and beautiful foundation: love thy neighbor.
And if your neighbor doesn't love you back, kill him.
(It's perfect.)
>>55748644
You are fom reddit aren't you. go ahead stick yoru fingers in your ears and sing your natioanl anthem, you'll go a long fucking way in America.
Never believed.
Even went to a school that forced us to have Christian values.
I've always been atheist
>Do the right thing because it's the human thing to do
That is a Christian concept.
>>55748898
>And if your neighbor doesn't love you back, kill him.
I thought you were to forgive him and turn the other check, or is that just the South American way of doing things?
>>55748941
>You are fom reddit aren't you
No. You are forcing me into your paradigm and I am not interested. Religion isn't a reasonable way to discover what is good and bad behavior other than God said so.
>>55749077
Most Western concepts of law, ethnics, morals, and values come from a crazy hybrid of Greek, Roman, and Judaeo-Christian teachings.
>>55749077
Before 2000 years ago, people just killed their neighbors and slaughtered people indiscriminately.
>>55748882
>sentience being a key component
Sure okay but if you disagree with them they'll medicate you.
>>55748898
>And if your neighbor doesn't love you back, kill him.
lol what
>>55749165
>indiscriminately
Well at least they were killing each other with equality on their mind. How Progressive!
>>55749081
It's the Crusader way of doing things.
>>55749223
I was being sarcastic you drooling moron. I'm not christian, home come I don't want to kill everyone?
>>55749233
I thought it was just Turkish people pushing in on Byzantine Land and the Pope hoping to win the favour of the Byzantine Emperor so he'll come back under the fold of Rome.
Or was I mistaken why the first Crusade was called.
Also can't forget the Holy land being taken from Christendom by Muslim force in the 8th century
>>55749154
buddy I'm not forcing you into anything, you exist, that means you are in, for the proverbial penny and pound. you sound pretty grounded though, I hope you find yourself among all the distraction you'll have to sift through in life.
>>55749339
Are you fucking retarded or like, what?
I think you are.
>>55738564
8 or so (3rd grade)
16 when I realised theres more to it than obviously fictional stories
21 or so when I started understanding that its really about a certain set of value. and saying youre christian is just a short way of listing them.
people really dont give too much fuck about the bible and all that.
The rational basis for moral conduct is related to incentive/disincentive, the believer errs only in thinking this has to be cosmic in scope.
People are honest because honesty in society is an exercise in game theory where the value of an honest society outweighs any benefits gained from individual lying, and because the ideal state [I cheat, steal, murder, etc while everyone else doesn't] is by all practical measures impossible.
The believer's argument falls flat the second it leaves the starting gate, because it implicitly assumes that certain conditions of life are good and certain other conditions are bad. By admitting that, they leave themselves open to one simply cutting out the middle man.
If desire for paradise is sufficient motivation for behaving a certain way, then it stands to reason that acting in pursuit of certain preferred conditions on earth is also sufficient motivation.
The counter-argument to this, that an unbeliever would act immediately on this desires then, murdering and raping his way to get what he wants, ignores two very important considerations. Firstly, the above mentioned game theory example. Secondly, the concept of reciprocity which is the basis for all social behavior.
In short, anyone who says "You must believe in a Deity to logically justify morality" can be dismissed without argument. The fact that most of the great Christian theologians were natural law theorists and virtue ethicists, NOT divine command theorists like many modern theists, also bears bringing up.
>>55749429
You have a very pessimistic view of society.
>>55749417
You missed sarcasm completely so if anyone has something wrong with their mind, it's you.
>>55749398
I didn't expect the kind words. Thanks m8.
I feel that I have found myself but who knows what the future will bring. I was once a believer and don't really expect believing again, but thank you.
>>55748586
I mean that it is interesting for New England to turn its back on religion given the way it started. Liberal white guilt atheists are trying to bring down western civilization.
I don't really understand how anyone cynical enough to browse 4chan believes a book made up thousands of years ago by some manipulative assholes.
>>55749562
No, I think you're actually retarded. Like mentally ill type of thing.
You made a joke, I made another joke stating how they were treating each other as "equals" in death. Then you being the obvious down kid you are, had a fucking panic attack at such a thing.
Humour? No, to much for you.
>>55749371
Nobody cares about the political reasons why the Crusades happened.
All we care is that a whole bunch of believers peregrinated thousands upon thousands of miles to fight against an insidious enemy, in the worst of conditions, to regain back their Holy Land. They erected Templar Orders, they united under one banner, and laid waste upon an their foes that were so far away from their own lands that those that returned only did so after two decades had passed.
All of this... due to faith in Christ.
Think about that for a while.
>>55749718
Why would people in New England falsely believe a religion that goes against everything they know about science and history? Do you want people to believe something that they don't believe in?
>>55749773
Knowing /pol/, it was more likely that you were against me than on my side. I made the most likely choice and I was wrong.
>>55749753
>the truth
The truth has been spoken...
Well I am not cynical because life is on the up here. But damn it if I havent figured religion is the ultimate tool for manipulation
>>55738564
I was never religious to begin with. Neither were my parents, or my grandfathers.
That being said, modern atheists have shown that can be just as ignorant as the most hardcore religious zealot. The worst part is that the political left has hijacked atheism and now use it for political propaganda, which in turn has led people like Richard Dawkins to call out their bullshit, just like he used to call out bullshit among creationists.
The problem really boils down to the fact that you have three groups of atheists.
- The person who's simply not religious.
- The SJW.
- The crusading, science-based atheist.
Most normal people fall into the first category, but these are people you rarely hear about, because they simply don't care one way or the other. About 70% of Norway is atheist, but it's not something that's brought up very often.
The second group is the most vocal, and the typical fedora faggot that everyone loves to parody. Most of them are SJWs and only target Christianity while ignoring Islam, and they'll deny any scientific evidence that goes against their ideology, just like the creationists they're criticizing.
The last group is largely apolitical, and contains people like Richard Dawkins and Thunderf00t. They base their views on science, criticize all religions, and primarily want religion to play no part in politics. Because these people are dedicated to calling out bullshit, regardless of ideology, they also attack the fedora atheists, muslims and SJWs, because their bullshit is just as bad the bullshit creationists spew.
The fact that the SJW atheists can't see that they're being called out for being emotional and irrational, and denying scientific evidence that goes against their beliefs is both depressing and hilarious. SJWs and feminists are basically the new creationists, except their religion is social justice and they're fighting a war against a fictional enemy that is the white, male Patriarchy.
Having empathy for another human isn't down to religious or non religious values.
Around 10.
>>55749501
What the fuck is this bullshit?
Evil/good isn't rational you dumb fuck.
>>55749947
They also massacred the entire population of Jerusalem once they took it, all the women children, and men.
Was this to in the name of Christ?
>>55749968
You were wrong because you're a fucking retarded faggot, thats why. Go back to reddit
>>55750072
Its nature...I can feel it when I look at a pair of sad eyes....
>>55749753
edgy/10
>>55749501
Morality is an intrinsic part of a Religious Tradition but that isn't it's whole Core and reason for being. Religions traditionally are ways in which we form a society, a community of people who all adhere to a unifying and bonding set of principles. It does this successfully because it is not by compulsion. The Truth it asserts is irrefutable, albeit depending on the circumstances in which he Relgion emerged. Different threads of philosophical thought disagree avoer what constitutes a Good Life but no academic philosophy has so far managed to create and sustain a civilisation that has lasted in comparison to those creted by a Religion.
All the schools that are teaching this stuff now are distancing themselves further adn further away from Christianity and you can see how detrimental that is for society. Why do you think BC and AD was changed to CE and BCE? It;s to eradicate and expunge Jesus from teh historical record and it's succeeding, there are people nwo who don't even believe Jesus was even a real person.
I started losing my faith at 12. I was an edgy anti-theist at 14 for a bit (Good thing I didn't know about r/atheism or the edgy phase would've lasted longer), and now I'm moving towards apatheism.
>>55750134
No fuckbag, there was a 95% chance that someone sayign what you said was mocking the non-religious as progressives.
>>55749753
It's just bait.
>>55750134
>They also massacred the entire population of Jerusalem once they took it, all the women children, and men.
Those that did will burn in hell.
There will always be a few rotten apples in the basket.
>>55750134
It was in the name of money...
The believers were fooled into thinking life could be easy...the people in power sold them on the idea dying for a god was worth their lives...while their leaders stayed at home and ate fine foods and raised famillies...
The Educated Human Cannibles....
>>55738564
I never believed, my grandma and mother tried to strike the fear of god into me at an early age but I knew it was all bullshit. I'd say I knew I was atheist at around 6. Note that my mother and grandma aren't religious, they just tried to see if I liked it. Church was the worst thing about my childhood.
>>55738564
>being christian
>thinking that works are what gets you into heaven
pick one, and then read matthew 7:21-23.
>>55750127
Of course it is. If morality was not a net advantage from an evolutionary perspective, it would have been discarded long ago.
The brass tacks is that most of what we call morality falls into one of two groups, individual behaviors that are useful for survival [such as courage, temperance, etc], or social behaviors relating to the concept of reciprocity. Reciprocity is the concept of "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours", and is the entire concept that promotes society over solitary life.
You may remember this concept from every religion ever, in the form of
"Do unto others as you would have them do onto you".
The reason this is promoted, is because within a given society, it is efficient as fuck. Cooperation kicks the shit out of solitary endeavor, and is the basis for civilization.
>>55750174
that isn't empathy that's pity and it isn't noble or virtuous it's your desire for power being satiated.
>>55750233
The reason people abandon morality is precisely because modern Christians have become so separated from their own tradition that they think their religion teaches a morality based purely on deontological divine commands. If you think the only reason you're acting good is fear of punishment, the second the punishing figure leaves [or is invalidated], you jump at the opportunity.
Whereas ancient Christians, following in the footsteps of Aquinas and Aristotle, knew that morality was not like that.
>>55750524
Fucking projection anon. Emotions are contagious. Just because you're a fucking cunt doesn't mean everyone else is.
>>55750370
Read on history, boy. Many a Christian king died in the Crusades.
>>55750416
>rationalize
>everything
Jesus fucking Christ. How many fedoras do you own?
>>55750524
Nonsense it makes me want to help...to quell anothers pain...sure I barely get any satisfaction from it but I do it just to spite the world and its suffering...
>>55742591
That was the wrong form of atheism, actual atheism like dawkins writes has never been implemented.
>>55750356
Well this is a very flawed view point, you say that the death of thousands could be just looked past simply because there were a "few" bad apples.
This is the definition of lets not look on the bad stuff and focus on the good stuff. The Crusades were a bloody conflicts that started because the Pope wanted Byzantium.
Also, what about the peoples Crusade. The one that ravaged Hungary and attacked CHRISTIAN cities and towns?
>>55750370
Shut up you Irish trash, the Crusaders brought about some of the finest leaders in European history. Men who truly believed they were doing good, and march forward not knowing what they saw.
The Crusades was the beginning of Knightly Romanticism, a man true, pious, yet strong and power.
>>55750524
If that's how Polacks feel, then you really are as bad as the Germans portrayed you.
>>55750657
You can just come out at any time and admit you're philosophically illiterate. The concepts I'm referring to are found in Christianity, Confucianism, Buddhism, etc. Ideas such as reciprocity, virtues, the good life, means, ends, are the meat of the field of ethics.
>>55749501
Good read. One of the smartest replies i've seen on /pol/ for a while. Seems like you know your stuff.
I never understood divine commands like the bedroom laws in Christianity. It just seems so unneccessary ... and kind of petty. Even Christians practice bondage they just call it "domestic discipline".
>>55747734
Richard Branson
>>55750620
are you drunk?
>>55740093
I guess your opening image is meaningless then.
>>55738564
>the human thing to do.
What the fuck does that even mean? Who decides what the "human" thing to do is? Do we vote? What happens if we vote wrong? "Oh well my side lost I guess genocide/rape/whatever is OK now"? Or do we get one of you comrades to lead a dictatorship of the proletariat to lead us all to heaven on earth?
Nietzsche was the last honest atheist. If you get rid of Christianity, you also get rid of Christian morality.
>>55743207
>be age 14-15
>lots of people die in the world
>wow god is mean
>stop believeing in god
>>55738564
The real question here is, is there such a thing as "Right and wrong"? There is nothing about atheism that implies that there even is such a thing as right and wrong.
Without a solid, unquestionable moral foundation to build on, whatever we perceive as right or wrong, is based only on our own value system. And whatever your value system is, can you prove that it is the correct value system?
Is feeding the poor right or wrong? Why not let genetically-inferior people die, before they breed and hurt the gene pool?
Atheists are idiots, because they can't see beyond their noses.
>>55739795
Nietzche is that you?
>>55750524
I dunno man... when I feel bad for them it's like I am putting myself in their shoes. It's not pity. It's understanding. When we see someone in pain, we reflect that in our minds and sense it.
>>55750683
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>>55750870
Some of the rules make sense from a health perspective. Many sexual practices are dangerous, especially without modern cleanliness and benefits like lubrication.
Many moral laws can be explained simply by thinking to yourself "Someone, at some point in time, thought this was a good idea. Why?"
Of course, that person could be an idiot, but you know the saying about not tearing down fences till you know why they were put up.
>>55750683
underrated
>>55750803
if you need to see the suffering of another to make you act right you have a condition, just saying.
>>55738564
That's the age kids get rebellious, so sounds about right.
>>55750879
I am not. The moral tradition of the Christian religion is rooted in natural law theory and virtue ethics, this understanding dates back to Jesus Christ, and was the morality espoused by Augustine, Aquinas, and so on. This was especially true because it aligned very well with the prevailing moralities of Aristotle and Plato.
The idea that morality is simply "A standard enforced on reality from the outside, enforced by threat of punishment or promise of reward" is called divine command theory, and is historically an outlier of Christian thought.
>>55751041
I guess in a time where they didn't have medicine it made sense but it doesn't really anymore. Many practices can be done relatively safely. Having few committed partners is far healthier than having multiple partners at a time. I agree with this.
But I see your point.
>>55750736
What better way to control a nation than to control the king? And who did the king submit to? God...and who was the emmisary of God? Who was the one who proported to be his word? THAT is the essence of what I am saying.
>>55739091
yes because they are too busy SCIENCING AND SAVING THE WORLD THROUGH SCIENCE
"Lucifer, crush your enemies"
Fuck atheism
>>55751194
You make it sound like a phase. I've yet to meet someone who dropped christianity in their teens and went back later in life.
>>55751460
Happened to me in mid 20's but I attribute it to the rockiness of my life in this time frame.
>>55751313
Most of Moses' laws about food also fall into this category. No pigs and no shellfish sounds stupid, until you think about what pigs and shellfish means in the bronze age.
>>55751543
Right, forgot the exceptions drug addicts and those on the verge of psychosis.
>>55751556
That is true. Same can be said about homosexuality and killing wives that cut off men's testicles. Reproduction was very important to the survival of their people.
>>55751677
Wasn't a drug addict or crazy. I was forced into taking care of our grandmother that had both schizophrenia/dementia. Was very stressful.
>>55751251
But your writing is so convoluted. It;s almost as if you don't want me to understand, why would you want that? I know Christianity developed and was codified through the Philosophy of Plato and Aristotle but the deconstruction of Christianity and Christain Philosophy is not what I'm trying to argue for or against. I'm not into intellectual or academic debates and a smart analysis or impressively worded retort isn't something I'm content to engage in. It sounds like you're suggesting that Christianity is basically bankrupt because you can understand what constitutes it and in showing the flaws you show the inconsistencies. None of that matters when you're dealing with human beings though.
it is a fool that looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart
>>55751797
On the verge.
6 years old.
I had worked out Santa Claus and Easter Bunny were fake by then and simply added the Bible stories into that category. I had to change schools because I was being belligerent to the teachers about it.
I now see the benefit of a belief structure to give a moral compass to society though. Just the same as Santa and the EB teach kids about being well behaved and generous etc.
>>55751854
Hmm, I guess.
>>55751041
>not tearing down fences till you know why they were put up.
Well said. I was actually arguing with some guy on youtube about "Numbers 5:11-29".
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+5%3A11-29&version=NIV
It is called "The test for an unfaithful wife".
On the surface, it seems kind of silly. Talking about some magic potion, that would know if the woman was unfaithful or not. I mean, that sounds like alchemy. Or some kind of "Witch's brew". And obviously, no such potion actually exists.
But, the idea behind it is. So you have a man and his wife, and the man believes his wife is cheating on him, and their marriage is thus, unhappy, and he believes his pregnant wife, is pregnant with some other man's baby.
So Moses thinks, how about we pretend that there is a magic potion, and tell the pregnant woman, that if she drinks it, and she has been unfaithful, that she will become "cursed", and she will become deformed, have a miscarriage, and will never again be able to have a child. That her husband will then leave her, childless and deformed.
But, if she drinks the potion, and she has not been unfaithful. She will be fine, and her husband would have to accept that the child is his child, and should no longer accuse her of cheating on him.
If such a potion existed, think of how that would affect society? The women would be terrified of cheating. And if they weren't cheating, it would clear their name, and force their husband to shut up.
>>55739246
Woah total euphoria in my asshole BAYBEH
>>55751931
The end result is that it'll work like a placebo and her not wanting to take it can be taken as a sign of guilt.
>>55750736
Now to adress this part of your writing.
>Irish trash
FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING CUNT EAT SHIT AND DIE
>>55752436
Shut up paddy
>>55752436
Canada's British
>>55752646
Shut the fuck up you Polish trash, so do slav shit.
My family arrived at Inverness Country Cape Breton in the 1780s, and since then we've only mixed with Scots or Irish. Occasionally the random French Canadian.
Go eat shit
>>55752118
Exactly.
This guy was talking about it, to try to prove how crazy religion is, and how religious people believe in all this silly superstition which isn't based on "muh science".
My thought was, sounds like a pretty interesting idea. Not because it is true, but because of its effects on society.
The woman might be so terrified of becoming barren and deformed, that she would either refuse to drink it, or confess her guilt and beg for forgiveness to keep from having to drink it.
And, it would prevent the marriage from falling apart, based on unfounded jealousies of the man, falsely accusing his wife of cheating on him.
I could almost see a parent telling a child something like that, to get him to confess something. "If you're lying to me, and you drink this, you'll turn into a frog". "No mommy, please don't make me drink it, I don't want to be a frog. Yes, I ate the last cookie. Please forgive me mommy."
I'm not saying it is "right", but there is a perfectly logical reason for it.
>>55753528
All I read from this was frog...
Pepe thread?
>>55738564
> Atheist doing the right thing even once
>>55753528
Atheists like this really shouldn't really talk about the Bible too deeply. They are a bit premature in that department. I see mistakes made by atheists that have misinterpretations on what the Bible says when it is being clear (sometimes it's not clear and that's why you have so many sects).
These beliefs are weird for this day and age, though. The Christians that see the Bible as being useful for that time period may be logical but not Biblical. Not that it's wrong per se. They understood the context of these laws for that time period but realize they don't make sense for this period so why would a supremely intelligent God make this rules eternal when they don't always fit in the time?
>>55754204
Here is a rare for you, friend
>>55754450
Well, I'm not entirely sure they were ever meant to be eternal? I mean, Christianity definitely doesn't think they were meant to be eternal, since Jesus effectively trashed a lot of the Old Testament.
And most Christians know about the "Council of Nicaea", and the happenings there. Let alone the hundreds of different interpretations of the old Greek and Latin bibles.
In my opinion, the bible is basically whatever you want it to be. Which is why there are so many different sects within Christianity, and new ones coming up all the time.
>>55756234
I don't think Jesus trashed the OT. He simply said that cleanliness laws and whether or not you work on the sabbath makes you a righteous person. He was there to demonstrate the fullness of the law since Moses presented an imperfect law since Moses was an imperfect man.
The pharisees expected people to follow the laws but didn't do them themselves. That doesn't mean one shouldn't follow those laws. In the end, Jesus was focusing on eternal moral laws. He described what the mosaic laws actually meant in full. That is what is meant by "fulfill the law".
Basically, Christians will follow the interpretation that makes the most sense to them. That's partly why I had issue with Christianity with deconversion because other christians I spoke with were so dead set on their interpretation. The true word would be obvious and clear.
>>55738564
Atheists that make this argument do so because they are autists.
>>55756772
>The true word would be obvious and clear.
I agree. And, according to Christianity, all of these interpretations exist, because gods wants them to exist. Except of course when god doesn't want them to exist, then he wants you to correct them.
Such an idea seems absolutely absurd, and it is about as far from obvious and clear as there can be. If god wanted to tell us something, it would be clearer, and better-known.
With that said, I think there is a lot of truth in the bible, and I think its the best religion of all. But, like Thomas Jefferson, my own beliefs, while you could say they are Christian in foundation, are most likely mine-alone.
>>55758306
The idea that God is hoping you get it right instead of making sure it's understood and that he is silent seems crazy. If you don't get it right, he get's mad but there are genuine believers that could potentially piss god off thinking they are being true to the faith.
Christianity is a fairly logical religion. I also like taoism and Hinduism. Hinduism is kind of interesting because it comments that a good thing isn't good just because it's good. As in, lying can sometimes be a good thing depending if why you lie is justified. Sometimes even demons are very honest but still have evil motives. It kind of tough to swallow because we can feel bad about doing these thinks like using deception but deceiving someone to prevent others might be good and one shouldn't feel bad. It's interesting to think about.
I liked Eccessliastes in the Bible the mos
20. Mormon dogma is strong.
>>55760273
Do you still have Godly pajamas m8?
>>55738564
15. I'm 31 now.
>>55760406
Since I didn't waste 2 years of my life they never gave me a set.
Hopefully more and more children in western countries are NOT indoctrinated in their stupid fairytales from a young age!
Still have to deal with the fundamental loons though
>>55760637
Having to waste two years of life for a pair of cotton pajamas. Truly inspired religion.
Did Joseph Smith pull all this shit out of a hat or something? :^)
>>55761180
Idk. All I know is that my father won't leave me the fuck alone about it. I've come to hate it.
>>55751352
When was the last great humanitarian invention of scientific achievement? Lately, nothing beyond scattered and broken promises.
It 'took' an 18-year old to 'figure out' a method to clean plastics from the ocean. Anybody got an ETA? Nope.
We're fucked, because we're riding the glory off the backs of the genius minds from yesteryear.
In the special snowflake safe space generation, everyone's an Einstein! Especially the smarty warty atheists! Yes you are, yes you are!
You can disbelieve in God and be a proud atheist. Just stop touting modern science as a dogma worthy of worship. Science came, saw, and went. It's not going to provide you a theory of 'universal connectivity mechanics' beyond what has already been hypothesised. If you're thirsty for answers, practice Taoism, or the like.
>>55761597
Yeah, it's like the Jehovah Witness religion. Sorry to hear about how that nonsense has made things mess between you and your dad. Religion can be a major divider.
13. But just now i am realizing why. religion puts a damper on what mankind can do. We would rather give the credit to a deity for a child surviving cancer treatment than congratulate the doctor and nurses who treated them. Religion holds us back.
>>55738564
You can have atheistic morality while following Christianity, edgelord
>>55761831
What universe do you live in where people aren't grateful toward doctors and nurses simply because they praise God? How does that put a damper on anything if they were willing to put their trust in the doctors and nurses?
Do kids "grow out" of religion, do they also grow out of using their brains?
>>55738564
I was never raised religious.
When ever i asked my dad who created the world he just said "I dunno"
>>55738564
Grew out of it at 17. Feels good man
>>55763110
think about it like this. Some religious family gets in a car wreck. Paramedics arrive, do their part and take them to the hospital. Doctors do whatever needs to be done and send everyone on their way. More often then not the church will say thank you to god for letting the doctor be able to save them. Now its not bad in and of itself. But it undermines human achievements.
>>55763570
I agree, and I also think it strips many children of the wonders of science. No need to look into the deeper wonders of how our world and universe works when it can be explained as "Because God made it so"
>>55763570
But it didn't undermine anything, there was achievement regardless. Are the paramedics and doctors motivated by the prospect to being thanked? Do they operate on the power of faith and need to be prayed to like gods?
Getting upset because someone prayed to God for your success is childish, which thankfully most of these people aren't.
>>55764157
Yeah man. We have to thank those bold atheist thinkers like Francis Bacon for creating science and contributing to it. Because as we know, no one cared about the physical universe before then :^)
>>55761825
I wouldn't care about it if he didn't push. The part I hate most is how everyone looks down on you when you don't believe in it anymore. Keep in mind that my state is 50% lds
Why does 4chan, reddit, etc. attract so many fedoramen?
>>55765064
i'd be fucking pissed if I did not get credit for saving someones life in that scenario. I didnt go to 8 years of med school for nothing
>>55738564
>OP image
You're not an atheist. Human morality is just another religion.
>>55766060
If you went to 8 years of med school just for """credit""" then you went to med school for the wrong reasons.
Also everything you do is within God's providence, jsyk.
>>55765716
That sort of thing happens in very religious areas. Many usually feign belief to escape this sort of experience that you describe. He pushes it because he genuienly thinks you are in danger. His religious belief has sort of hijacked his senses so it's not entirely his fault. You probably already know this and it doesn't change it but it might be helpful to remind oneself of this to make dealing with it easier.
Another example of atheism acting like a religion. Its just contrarian faggotry.
>>55766060
Well if I'm motivated by the prospect of having your ego fellated, I wouldn't worry about how I'd feel because I'm assured to never be in that position anyway. And since most people in actuality are grateful toward doctors and such and often show it regardless of their religiosity, this all is moot.
Agnostic since 11 y.o
I never believed in it. I just wondered in school why the fuck we had to sing Christian songs and pray during assembly.
>>55738564
Fuck off with this shit. Atheists lost credibility in being humane with Goddess of Reason and Communist regimes.
That strawman quote you posted really captures the pretentiousness I've come to associate with the british.
If there is no god, the right thing is suicide. No god to condemn your actions means you can do whatever the hell you want. Life will always have more misery than happiness because you have to work for happiness, people will hurt you, and people you love will leave you and/or die. Just do the easy thing and kill yourself.
>>55738564
So you turned atheist two years ago?
I grew up FROM atheism when I was 19
>>55738564
A one age difference isn't notable enough
>>55769072
No such thing, dumbfuck.
>>55769602
Only if you are a closed-minded aetheist cunt
>>55738564
Worry not, friend. You'll find forgiveness in Christ.
