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You must feel really stupid right now bigots
Not at all!
Islam is peaceful read the Quran you ignorant Islamophobes
define "innocent person" in context to the quran
I thought all Muslims should've felt stupid following the words from a work of fiction but whatever ;).
>>55688772
Are you on the train to Serbia yet you filth?
Westerners aren't "innocent" according to Muslims.
mudslime definition of innocent :
-worships allah like a good sheep
>Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
Oh look, they cant even quote their own nutty book right
>>55688772
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
>>55688772
Islam believes that all non-muslims are guilty. That is what you fail to understand on a fundamental level.
>>55688772
Not muslim = not innocent.
Not muslim = not human.
Mudshit logic.
Are Christians and other enemies of Islam regarded as innocent?
Islam means peace. Educate yourselves don't be ignorant
>>55688772
to bad all of them see us as infidels. So we are not innocent and they don't give a fuck. Fuck off pigfucker.
Islam is terror, death to Islam.
>>55688772
You forgot to add what the quran defines as innocent person and considering we are fighting ISIS in the middle east every single European is guilty.
>>55688772
Now give me a muslim definition of an innocent person faggot.
>>55688772
>infidels
>innocent
"Infidels" don't count as innocent people.
yea.
but in their opinion infidels arent innocent
>>55688772
Quran 9:123: “O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the pious.”
yea we are bigots. tell that to the families of the victims you mudslime faggot
>>55688772
>>55688910
>>55688951
>>55689039
[5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land. (U of Michigan’s translation.)
These rules are imposed on the Jews by them muzzies, they do not bind muzzies themselves
>>55688772
>last night's attacks killed 140 humanities
Jesus Christ, how horrifying.
Islam is peace.
>>55689117
Sorry, I judge people by what they do, not by what they say.
>>55688772
Nice taqiyya quote you got there. Unfortunately non-muslims aren't considered innocent.
>>55688772
Scripture is supplemental to religion, not religion itself.
>>55689224
thanks m8
>>55689167
>>55689182
>>55689184
People of the book are protected and enjoy many freedoms.
>>55688772
Infidels aren't persons for Muslims faggot.
>>55688772
And by "innocent" they mean someone who does not drink, respect woman, fuck children and rape goats
Truly a peaceful religion
>>55688772
>>55688905
God fucking dammit.
WORDS DON'T FUCKING MATTER, ACTIONS DOES, LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR FUCKS SAKE
>>55689010
>270 million Jews
When the fuck that happened?
And if it happened than Hitler was loser with just score of just 6 million.
>>55689390
>muhammed
>"Don't enforce Islam"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THIS HAS GOT TO BE A FUCKING JOKE. ISLAM HAS BEEN LITERALLY SPREAD BY THE SWORD FOR ITS ENTIRE EXISTENCE.
>>55689023
Did a redneck translated those verses
>>55689390
kek
>Islam is peaceful
>Has rules for war
If that isn't an oxymoron I don't know what is.
>>55688772
>>55689117
It's only peace if everyone is a muslim.
The penalty for leaving islam is death. So peaceful. :^)
Shia Islam = real Islam
>>55688772
Unless he is an infidel.
>>55688772
Non-Muslims are not "innocent", though. They are infidels.
>>55688772
If something in the Quran contradicts another part of it, the part which appears later is taken to be true. The peaceful shit is in the beginning then it all kicks off
The only person who should feel dumb is you OP, for falling for the taqiyya.
Once again, OP is a faggot.
>>55688772
>You must feel really stupid right now bigots
>hurr durr you're bigots
Protip: unbelievers are not considered "innocent" in islam.
But Mahomet was a manipulative warlord, raider, murderer, sexual deviant and illiterate savage.
If a serial killer wrote "Peace is the highest goal, love all things equally" before committing a massacre, I wouldn't take his word for it.
>>55689539
Muslims have been at it since their founding.
and yet its the only religion that can't stop killing everybody
>>55689647
them nutters who slash their babies open? yeah I agree, a true representation of how sick and deprived Islam is.
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>>55689641
A real Muslim cannot be a terrorist stop falling for Zionist propaganda friend
>>55689734
>If something in the Quran contradicts another part of it, the part which appears later is taken to be true. The peaceful shit is in the beginning then it all kicks off
Actually, it's the older parts are refuted by the younger parts. The Quran is not in chronological order, the passages are sorted by the length of the chapter for some reason. Nonetheless, you're right in that the peaceful stuff is older and abrogated by the younger, more violent stuff.
>>55689875
only the Pakis do that though, the Lebs and Iranians don't
Who cares anyway, I'd rather they hurt themselves than others. That's the worst you can say about it.
>>55689632
I'm no expert on the Quaran so I have to ask.
Why do people ignore these, but cite the "peaceful" messages? and even then I've only seen 1 or 2 peaceful messages being cited and dozens if not more like in >>55689632 .Why do people ignore these? Why are some quotes considered false, while others above else true?
>>55688772
I should have sinked your boat when I had the chance Ahmed
>>55688772
The quoran makes pretty clear that infidels are not innocent.
>>55688772
Try again mohamed
>>55688905
>implying someone mean reads gracious and non punitive verses
you indefatigable naive
And what about the definition of Jihad guys ? People might think the biggest and best kind of jihad is against people (aka ISIS fanatics) but in fact The quran advocates that the best jihad or revolution is inside someone, inside of his soul (even if the soul can be BS, the important thing here is to know that religion is first of all a personal be belief)
> [ISIS ; Al quaida] C dumbass
> Dumbass =/= reasoned people = no work inside the soul
> Therefore ISIS and terrorist = disease
CQFD
Have you ever seen someone who can walk before standing up ? Well those terrorist fagz are trying to run
>>55689167
>>55688772
And then a later verse says any murder is alright as long as it is in the name of Allah.
See, I know how the Quran works.
Any contradiction is settled by which verse is more recent.
Earlier verses of the pig book blabs about peace while the later verses all incite death and destruction to non-believers.
Fuck your taqiya.
>>55689978
Also this.
That's how they get around that particular clause. They claim that everyone who is not a muslim is also not an innocent.
>>55689010
>270 million Jews
If that were true, we would never hear the end of it. Probably meant for thousand, that would actually make sense. They also killed way more Buddhists than that, they're the whole reason they're now almost completely absent from Central Asia / Indian subcontinent despite starting out there.
>>55689867
Excuse me?
>>55688772
But according to the Islam
The west are not at all innocent
We have committed Haramfor
Not Believing in allah
Consuming pork, alcohol and what not
Not cloaking our women
to them we are everything but innocent
this line has no significance whatsever
it wasn't written with multiculturalism in mind
>>55689390
>Some bullshit
>Shared by a muslim.
>Expecting me to take it seriosly.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Give me an actual example when muslims were holding up these rules or a passege from quran.
>Muslims kill 130 out of intolerance and hate
>umad pol? look this quote lol u mad fucking bigots
they justify it by saying if l infidels are not innocent. they're infidels that are against Allah and sharia.
they consider innocents other Muslims.
>>55688772
The key word is "innocent person" there. Muslims only view other Muslims as innocent.
>>55689957
>>55689632
It's the Hadiths that make them go crazy. Sunnis have violent hadiths.
Even Houellebecq read the Quran and said it didn't promote violence.
Hadiths = Encourage retard interpretations
Sunni belief that everyone's interpretation is valid adds fuel to the fire.
Borderline illiterates interpret the Quran. You don't find this in Shia Islam.
>>55689023
That's in response to persecution by a group of disbelievers.
>>55688905
We should do that shit like we did with trayvon and mike brown where we put in normal print that islam is a peaceful religion and then in cursive write a verse from the quaran proving it's not. It gets a few victims everytime but with muslim supporters frantic to post things that support islam i think it might affect more.
>>55689827
But 270 million seems very big number. I thought Jews are very secluded, gathering that much number would be impossible for them
>>55689989
That's all in response to response to persecution.
>>55689906
A real Scotsman cannot be a murderer and a murderer cannot be a real Scotsman.
>>55688772
Mustafa, there are 110 more verses in the Quran advocating the killing of "non-believers". So, why don't you just fuck yourself back to where you came from.
>>55689010
Gonna need some sources for those figures.
>>55689906
Is this like the "black people can't be racist" maymay?
>>55690111
BTW is this a b8 or you are underage?
>>55689989
Fake quotes or taken out of context
>>55690341
*are you
How dose it taste to have supported the Arab spring? Now you see the face of this animals and that only the most brutal dictator ship is what they deserve. They are animals and have to threaten like animals.
>>55688772
By innocent person they mean one of their own. They still want to kill apostates and non-believers tho.
>>55689117
What? That's not in the Qur'an. Are apologists just making up verses now? That's absolutely haram.
>>55688772
The Keyword is "innocent". Its okay to kill you if you are not innocent i.e and infidel
>>55690111
>We haven't done every single bad thing in history so we have done nothing wrong
>>55690378
Nope. Sorry faggot. All those quotes can be verified by a simple search of the Quran and the various Hadiths, all of which are found online.
>>55690242
>That's all in response to response to persecution.
Bullshit.
>>55689224
children of israel are the first believers. if quran says "children of israel, do this", it means "believers do this"
that's why we circumcise, even though there is no verse in Quran regarding circumcision. The explanation is that whatever is commanded to jews, is commanded to us.
>>55690464
>and the various Hadiths, all of which are found online.
Which are considered bullshit but the Shia.
Shias get their mosques and houses bombed every week by Sunnis in Lebanon.
>>55689734
Abrogation.
TL;DR the most recent passages are the only ones that are deemed legit. So if an earlier passage says "Killing people is bad no matter what", but a later passage says "Kill all those who are not Islam", then that passage is the one that's followed.
>>55690111
>who took about 180 million Africans as slaves and killed 77% of them?
Yeah, muslims totally did that actually.
>>55688772
go read some ISIS propaganda, which thoroughly sources Quran, Hadith and respected scholars in the Islamic world.
al-Baghdadi himself has a PhD in Islamic studies...
>>55690111
>Let me bring up things that happened ages ago
>>55690551
we dot need a explanation, we need a final solution.
Unleash your inner Nazi.
>>55689010
>muh 270 million
wow number is going up and up every single day.
>>55690525
Hadiths are not considered "bullshit" you ignorant fucking jackass. They're a central part of the serious conflicts within the religion itself.
Crack a history book you uneducated piece of shit.
>>55688772
Nope, we are not innocent in their savage eyes, so this quote doesn't apply :^)
>>55689010
OY VEY REMEMBER THE 280 MILLION
>>55688772
Fuck you immigrant get out of Greece you piece of shit
>>55690551
abrogation is an interpretation technique. it is not a view shared by all muslims.
after all, what would be the purpose of early Suras if later suras are what matters? Why cut the message of God in two?
Any "peaceful" verses in the Qur'an does not mean "true" Islam is peaceful and progressive.
THERE IS NO TRUE ISLAM. It's a 7th century desert cult mythology. It's self-contradicting. The problem is that ISIS represents a PLAUSIBLE variant of Islam. You can read the Qur'an and hadith and it is totally understandable how you would come away believing that violence against infidels is acceptable.
>>55690737
He only likes to talk about the context when it involves violent verses.
>>55690763
You tell him based Greek bro
>>55689390
>Don't kill a monk or a priest
>Don't destroy a temple or a church
>Don't enforce islam
What is the Muslim conquest of Arabia?
Christian Syrian here, not even the dirty pigfucker Mohammed followed these "rules".
I really hope Europe wakes up and deports all muslims, nothing of value would be lost
>>55690779
Smokescreen to fool infidels into thinking Islam really is a religion of peace.
>>55688772
Non muslims who refuse to become muslims are not innocent though according the the Quran. So... yeah.
>>55690718
Sunni hadiths = bullshit for Shia
Shia hadiths = bullshit for Sunni
>>55690852
They never add to society they always drain and destroy. They area a virus.
>>55690111
>180 million african slaves
Atlantic slave trade had 8 million slaves. The Muslim zanzibar slave trade had 11.7 million, and the Algerian muslim slave trade captured over 1 million europeans. Then there are Turks slaving in the Balkan...
>20 million aborigines
Australia didnt even achieve that population until the 1980s, with massive ongoing immigration.
Your information is faulty.
>>55688772
I don't see any Christians committing terrorist acts, or any other cult.
>innocent
That's the problem senpai
>>55690852
>What is the Muslim conquest of Arabia?
Arabs didn't convert anyone. It contradicts the Jizya tax.
Christians were rich as fuck so it's better to tax them than to convert them and thus have them pay 0 taxes.
>>55689117
SHITSKINS CAN'T EVEN QUOTE THEIR OWN BIBLE RIGHT
2:256 is actually
>There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
>>55690111
>20 million aborigines
>this retarded meme again
There are 20 million people in modern, first world Australia, and you think that stone age hunter gatherers could have the same population density? Idiot.
>100 million red indians in north america
>50 million red indians in south america
>180 million africans as slaves
Lying about the numbers. You have to be seriously retarded to believe these figures are remotely plausible.
By the way, look up the Arab Slave Trade. That went on for far longer than the European slave trade and took far more people too.
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>>55689010
>270 million jews
>>55688772
The problem is that none of the people that they kill are viewed as innocent so it's still okay by them.
>>55690994
CIA should check him out.
>>55689010
270 million? THat's so horrible, I can't believe that Muslims have killed 300 million innocent Jews! Won't somebody think of the innocent 500 million Jews slaughtered at the hands of Muslims? Will there ever be justice for the 1 billion?
>>55688905
>implying we are innocent in these savages' eyes
>>55690994
That last reply just makes me want to pick up a gun.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>55688905
its so funny that people actually use this quote.
>Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
Translation: This is a verse meant for the jews but they mistreated us muslims.
followed by:
>Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
and so on and on about how unbelievers will be punished etc...
EVEN THE CHERRY PICKED QURAN VERSES CRUMBLE UPON CLOSER INSPECTION!
They'll just quote Romans 3:23 and claim by our own scripture are we no longer innocent.
>>55689957
Abrogation. The peaceful verses come from a time period when Mohammed and his followers were still weak. He was in a position of weakness so to prevent the slaughter of himself and his followers his "revelations" were peaceful. As he grew in power and strength his "revelations" became more war like. When the quran contradicts itself, later verses, supersede earlier. Thats known as abrogation. Therefore these earlier peaceful verses are replaced by the later violent ones.
>>55690874
Even more hilariously, former muslims are an even more terrifying threat to their ex-faith:
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/of_course_apostates_should_be_killed
tl;dr they might [gasp] make informed criticisms which cause others to question Islam so they're even worse than murderers because they condemn multiple people to hell for eternity
I guess when the foundation of your faith is so blood soaked that it's experiencing soil liquefaction you have to hold anyone you can hornswoggle in place with a blade to their throat.
>>55690994
the true face of muslims
>>55691111
Czeched.
Never forget the 276 million goyim!
>>55690111
This is literal Jew tier number manipulation.
>Why did you massacre 20,000 Aborigines? How dare you massacre those 200,000 Aborigines? Fucking racist fucks killing 2 million aborigines. Fuck all white imperialists killing 20 million aborigines.
>>55691230
>Romans 3:23
Amazing because that quote is about forgiveness more than anything else.
That's from the talmud you greek rat
And what is the definition of innocent in Quran? Probably a rather narrow group would qualify.
>>55688772
>>55688905
>innocent
Keyword here.
Quffars aren't innocent in their eyes. Thus it's okay to kill us.
>>55689957
>Why do people ignore these, but cite the "peaceful" messages?
Same reason why right-leaning Christians in the USA ignore Jesus' messages of love for your fellow man and cite passages from the Old Testament that are anti-gay, anti-divorce, anti-abortion, etc. You cherry-pick from your scriptures to fit your message.
>>55691214
see
>>55690494
A lot of verses in Quran talk about Children of Israel. The importance of Children of Israel is that they are the first monotheist believers, hence we should follow their example.
Moses is mentioned the most in the Quran. Muhammed the least.
>muslims are not terrorists
>KKK are christians tho
Flawless logic there m8
>>55691294
Fuck off kikenigger
>>55688772
they don't see heathens as inocent
>>55689257
I hate seeing that quote because we didn't invent it, it was damage controll of the Bush Administration to keep people from causing a political shitstorm on his war on terror.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_of_Peace
>>55689906
A marsian cannot be a terrorist, a terrorist cannot be a marsian
>>55691326
Innocent to them means their own Isis people
>>55688772
But they aren't killing innocents, they are targeting sinners and enemy combatants.
>>55688772
bigot is somebody who lumps all people together, just like you did with /pol/?
fuck off greece bigot, pay debts
sage
Spread this, muslims are getting buttdevastated about it on twitter
>>55688905
You know what's a great way to refute this?
THAT KAFFIRS(NON MUSLIMS) ARE CONSIDERED NON HUMANS.
ITS OKAY TO KILL KAFFIRS
most of the muslims in the world represent the least educated people on earth. for them only a muslim suni is innocent everyone else is guilty and can be murdered.
proof is the polls in france where most of young people in suburbs ( the arabs) were saying they weir sympathetic of the islamic state and 70% of the muslims wants sharia law. fucking mongrels
>>55689390
Jesus
>turn the other cheek
Muhammed
>kill him but don't kill his wife
>we can rape her later
ISLAM
MEAN
PEACE
>>55691337
also calling them descendents of apes and pigs
also killing all jews in mecca and medina for proving islam is bullshit
>>55691436
GTFO of the white mans countries you parasite
>>55690111
those were actual wars and not terrorist attacks though. theres a difference
>>55689010
>270 million Jews
Well, i got to say, they are good at least on that.
>>55691214
Thanks Germanbro
You reached me at least today
If you could reach just 1 person with that post then it was not in vain
That looks like taking the quote out of context:
"For this reason, We made it a law for the children of Israel that the killing of a person for reasons other than legal retaliation or for stopping corruption in the land is as great a sin as murdering all of mankind. However, to save a life would be as great a virtue as to save all of mankind. Our Messengers had come to them with clear authoritative evidence but many of them (Israelites) thereafter started doing wrong in the land."
Doesn't mean just for the Jews?
>>55689327
Problem with that is that kafir =/= goy where you loose all your rights, if you're Muslim, no need to pay jizya but you still have the regular taxes to pay, otherwise, the establishment would end up broke obviously.
>>55688772
but the Quran cannot be translated to English and that is out of context ;^))))) :^^)))))
>>55691608
>also calling them descendents of apes and pigs
we are all descendants of apes though. don't know the pig part.
>also killing all jews in mecca and medina for proving islam is bullshit
Muhammad's wife was jewish. Jewish tribes sided with Muhammad against idolaters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safiyya_bint_Huyayy
>Libshits constantly lambast christianity for literally anything bad that happened in the last 1500 years
>YOU CANT BLAME ISLAM FOR THE DEATH OF 160 PEOPLE GOY
>>55691740
fuck off pigfucker. back to your caves.
>>55688772
except that Muslims who go extreme don't consider any "infidel" "innocent".
It's a flawed religion that is more easily used to sway people to violence than any others because it has an entire Surat dedicated to warfare, with instructions on HOW Muslims should wage war against "oppressors", using terror and dismemberment as tools of warfare, and to specifically kill civilians.
I'm not joking, the 8th Surat of the Qu'ran is literally translated as "The Spoils of War", and unlike in Christianity and Judaism where such language is presented in historical context, in the Qu'ran it is given as ongoing instruction in how to wage war. Technically it's against those who deliberately wage war against Muslims and how muslims should defend themselves but it is very easily twisted as we see from the rise of MULTIPLE terrorist groups based in Islam.
>>55691778
>don't know the pig part
Why else would they be so horrified at eating pork?
>>55691288
Exactly but that's explainable through Christ.
How might one explain the Koran?
>>55691778
>Muhammad's wife was jewish
fuck off turkshit
he took that woman after killing her entire tribe, raping her infront of her dying husband and killed him.
muslims are savages that must be holocausted
>>55690175
>"I don't believe in your religion"
>"Stop persecuting me! Allahu Akhbar!"
>BANG
>fin
>>55691549
You're taking the verse out of context. This was in regards to the 'unbelievers' that were persecuting Muslims. These verses commanded Muslims to fight back. It's not telling Muslims now to fight 'unbelievers.'
>>55689906
Nice way of avoiding the fact that the Quran prescribes death for apostates. So peaceful.
>>55689632
>missing the verse of the sword
>>55691778
Damnit, we are not descendants of apes.... evolution isn't that hard to understand.
>>55688772
So then why did the prophet Muhammad kill those who would not accept his religion?
>>55688772
>>55688905
>>55689010
>>55689117
>>55689390
>>55689906
>>55690111
>>55690378
If Islam is so peaceful and so tolerant and so anti-war and so progressive and such an incredible tool to build lasting and prosperous societies...
What are you doing in a Christian country?
>>55688772
the only stupid bigots are the shit-brained moslems that don't understand their own book
>>55688772
as a non believer you are no innocent
>>55691894
No, the 'unbelievers' mentioned in the verse were torturing and killing Muslims. Why talk about something you're ignorant of?
>>55691613
Go where exactly? My family is from the Balkans.
>>55691549
Are you even safe spreading anti-Islam information around on the internet given your location? Can't you expect Hamas kicking down your door any minute now?
>>55692077
as opposed to muslims torturing and killing jews, christians, pagans, selling them for slavery and raping their women before beheading them?
>>55691740
you are a muslim? can you maybe tell me if allah will burn and rape me for doing this with my quran? also why do muslims think it's ok to believe in a book that tells you "every non-muslim has to be beheaded"?
>>55690378
I can take quotes from the Quran, Bible, and Talmud which make those religions seem violent or hateful. Goyim are beasts to serve the Jews. Christians are encouraged to kill those who speak against God.
You can also cherry-pick peaceful quotes like the one in the OP.
The fact of the matter is that if you take any Abrahamic religion's text to heart, you're a savage.
>>55691938
It is not out of context, it talks about people of scripture aka jews and christians, I speak arabic nigger :)
>>55692098
Thanks for worrying m8
>>55691778
>Desert dwellers
>knowing about apes
>closest apes in Borneo
Explain urself yussef
>>55689539
Dude get your facts straight and do your Math right.
They killed :600000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Jews.
Just... God it's annoying when I have to correct you ppl EVERY SINGLE TIME!
Please, please! :(
>>55691938
>implying the jihad against Dar al'harb isnt a moral imperative.
durka durka mohammed jihad haka sherpa-sherpa
>>55688772
Aren't these the same people who accuse others of cherrypicking verses? Ofcourse, its okay when they do it
>>55690465
>Prior to the Hijra travel Muhammad struggled non-violently against his oppressors in Mecca.[4] It wasn't until after the exile that the Quranic revelations began to adopt a more defensive perspective.[5]
Hence the verses about fighting back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifism_in_Islam#Quran
Why didn't you all listen him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUzhISwCC-I
>>55688772
What is the point of quoting a part of the Quran if many of that religion aren't giving a shit about it?
At the end it's just a book, and they choose whetever to follow it word by word or not.
>>55688772
We should demand that states make laws that will give criteria to differentiate between peaceful muslims and radicals. Then muslims would have the obligation of reporting any radical. The state would do random controls. If anyone fits the criteria, he will be given a prison scentence and everyone he knew would be considered suspects. If they're proven to have known of his radical tendencies, they'll be labeled as radicals and imprisoned in turn, because of not honoring the obligation of denouncement.
>>55688772
Actions speaks louder than words.
So no u.
>>55690378
Both are muslims.
Doesn't matter, this shit doesn't belong to Europe, I dont care if muslims keep killing each other over shit like whose uncle was right about what 1000 years ago.
>>55692174
the problem is western civilisation treats it as a subtle joke. Even believers of the Bible, save the Westboro Baptist Church, think that half their holy book is nonsense.
You tell a Muslim half his holy book is horse shit and you'll be killed.
>>55692278
>taking over the world
>my ummah will not rest until the muslims conquer rome
yes very defensive
>>55688772
Context motherfucker.
I've read that verse, it's talking about killing innocent MUSLIMS.
The Quran clearly states that unbelievers are to be enslaved and killed.
6/10 b8
>>55688772
pol is too ignorant OP
They have no clue that IS Wahhabism / Salafism is to mainstream Islam the same way La Vey Satanism is to Catholicism.
If you seek humanism in Islam there are only three denominations that will show you the compassionate side-- Hanafi Sunni muslims, Alevi Shia muslims and Sufi sects.
>>55692182
I'm actually quite interested brah, how safe are you being a non-muslim in Palestine? And where abouts, Gaza or West Bank?
>>55691337
NO SHIT mohammed stole and copy/paste the whole jewish religion.
And then he murdered the jewish who didn't follow him and enslaved the children and the women.
At least as christian we don't have the arrogance to call moise or abraham "muslim" and we still consider them as jew
>>55692034
This, it's like a guy who drinks copious amounts of castor oil and never flushes his toilet. He not only does this but he loudly proclaims the virtues of his actions. Anyone who offers to help by flushing his toilet for him is accused of racism and colonialism, instead they are directed to pay for more toilets to show they care.
Eventually, his home is clogged with overflowing toilets so he demands to take up residence in his neighbour's home. Upon arriving, he smashes the toilet because it's not nice enough, demands several new ones (which he breaks the flushing handle off) and tries to force castor oil down his neighbours throat as well as the throats of his neighbour's 12 year old daughters. If questioned about why he's knee deep in liquid shit he screams that his neighbour has been opressing him for years and that if everyone would just break the flushing handle off their toilet and chug castor oil the world would be a better place, completely free of rug destroying shit floods.
>>55692182
It's talking about the Quraysh, who were persecuting Muslims. Some Christian and Jewish tribes did make alliances with the Quraysh, but the verses are in regards to the Quraysh in general. Just because you speak Arabic doesn't mean that you can't take the verse out of context. You think that the verse commands Muslims to fight, when it reality it commanded the early Muslims to fight persecution.
>>55688772
What the fuck kind of retarded argument are you trying to make? It doesn't matter squat what it says in the Quran. What matters is how people who call themselves Muslims actually practice their religion.
>>55688772
This verse doesn't apply to those "who fight against God and His Messenger", which is a door opened to many interpretation.
I'm waiting to see how the muslims in France will react to this or if they'll just cry like they are the primary victim of terrorist acts.
>>55690026
That's an interpretation. ISIS also has an interpretation. Theirs isn't any less valid than yours, and it arguably has a lot more to back it up.
>>55688772
are infidels considered innocent?
>>55688772
You are making us look bad with your shitty bait,you're the reason everyone hates us.
Doesn't the Quran imply that all nonmuslims are guilty of being infidels and thus not innocent people? Fucking cherrypicking retards.
>>55692066
That's not true. The Quran prescribes a outer-earthly punishment for apostasy.
>>55692404
source?
>>55692390
Jews only lie
>>55690994
> fantastic 4 are on their way
>>55689390
leave this fucking country. Go to sweeden you fucking cunt. You are a disgrace.
>>55692563
This desu senpai.
Actions speak louder than words on a pieve of paper.
Not that the quran is a peaceful book mind you, but even if it was the actions of the adherents are what matters.
>>55692554
It doesn't, you are lying. It clearly says not to allow unbelievers to go near al masjed al haram aka mecca, that means the verse was told after Muhammad victory on Quraysh and Quraysh was Muslim back then, also in the following verses it explains clearly the motive behind attacking them is their ideology not their violent acts :)
Nice Taqqiya Achmed
>>55692496
I am everywhere :^)
>>55692489
Most "moderate" muslims sympathize with extremists bro.
Especially if you face them against the West.
If they have to choose between the West and ISIS, they'll pick ISIS every time.
>>55692613
he is not greek if he is it's a she women are dumb as fuck
immigrants get in greece for fun i quess he stole a laptop and now he shitposts from greece
>>55688772
Maybe you should show this to the terrorists rather than us
>>55689957
The problem is that there is 2 form of Islam, the Islam of Medina and the Islam of Mecca; Islam of Mecca is more for peace, sprituality and all, and the Islam of Mecca, is more for war and violence
>>55688772
Stupid for what? Seeing is believing. Deeds are stronger than words. Fucking greek poorster, go on and die out already on hunger so that I can come and fuck your sister.
>>55692771
is your comment out of context just like the shit quran? :^)
>>55690994
>that last reply
The answer is yes
>>55692174
I wonder if a Christian civilisation, living in similar circumstances as the ISIS countries would be as savage as they are. Why would they not?
>>55692489
>They have no clue that IS Wahhabism / Salafism is to mainstream Islam the same way La Vey Satanism is to Catholicism.
This is grade A bullshit. Besides which, /pol/ has been critical of Islam since long before IS came along. The apologisms have not changed, neither have the rebuttals.
>>55688772
TRANSLATION :
Innocent = Innocent muslim person.
Thats all. The concept of collective responsability is real in islam.
They attacked french civilian cauz we bombed muslim civilian in syria.
Thats all. Mohammed did the exact same thing with the jewish tribes.
>>55688772
>innocent person
>mfw the kaffir can ever be innocent
For a muslim a non-muslim can never be an innocent.
According to muslims all non muslims must be either killed or converted.
Living in peace with Muslims is impossible.
>Being human
>Thinking that you can understand what the Quran is trying to say
>...
The joke is real.
By the joke I mean all of your ideas and quotes
>>55692809
>Quraysh was Muslim
I guess I'll stop here, nice taqiyya Abdullah
>>55690994
>moderate muslim
I say kill them all, just to be sure. ;)
>>55692924
Pretty much, apostates and infidels are by definition not innocent, and are thus legitimate targets
>>55688772
>le religion of peace meme
Fuck off, you sand nigs have been killing each other for centuries long before we stepped in.
>>55692849
Isn't it enough that they get in here and get free shit they also have to spoil our name with their shitposting???
>>55692809
Based palestine.
When are you going to remove the kikes?
>>55688772
as if any kuffar could be considered an innocent person, that only applies to muslims...
>>55688772
>implying they view us as innocent
>>55692969
What's why only subhumans understand it
aka arabs
>>55692969
R A R E
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>>55693003
Yes, they converted to Islam after mohammad won against them :)
And the verse talks about Muhammad not allowing other pagan tribes from visiting mecca
Nice try imran
Don't fall for their lies.
>>55692848
Damn, my brother's been working out.
>>55692949
There's literally nothing wrong with being Muslim.
>>55688905
>>55688772
>goyim/infidels
>human beings
top kek
ATTENTION: DO NOT FALL FOR ISLAMIC LIES.
Peaceful verses are NULLIFIED by later conflicting verses, in the Qur'an. Muslims quote peaceful verses, and leave out the violent ones, which are the ones to follow, as the Qur'an instructs.
FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT VERSE:
>If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. (2:85)
As a Muslim, you CANNOT choose to believe in only some parts of the Qur'an. You will go to hell if you do.
So with that, here are some verse for you to consider:
Muslims may not take non-muslims as friends!
>Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
Muslims must fight non-muslims.
>Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. (2:216)
Muslims who fight in the name of Allah shall be rewarded.
>Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward. (4:74)
Peaceful and fit muslims are lesser to Muslims who fight for allah.
>Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward (4:95)
>>55692613
I just hate you because you're at fault for everything that happened last night.
In order to make Germany look like the gud goy/humane peeples after the debt situation, Merkel decided to take in all the refugees.
She wouldn't have had to do this if
a) Tspiras didn't hold the referendum and
b) If Grease could pull it's own weight in the EU
Despite all of that, your financial crisis is STILL ongoing.
Face it, fucktard, Greece if ruined. Your country might as well sold to Germany with Athens becoming it's own city state.
>>55693120
shia or sunni?
doesn't matter
you still gonna get bombed
>>55693052
I hope the hunt begins soon
also i would like to remove the gun laws in greece
>>55688772
Abrogated
>>55688772
>>55693059
>Saying Palestine as a whole is based for attacking Muslims, even though Palestine itself is almost entirely Muslim.
Dumbtugal
What does the next verse say
>>55691326
this
>>55688772
"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone..."
- Quran (2:191-193)
#readabooknigger
>>55688772
>Parisian infidels
>innocent
wew lad it's like you're not thinking in 7th century terms.
>>55693094
This is why you faggots are in debt, you're fucking stupid, dont know anything, and should just let the bigboys do the work.
>>55693059
They are unremovable ;_;
>>55688772
Except 'innocent' to mudslimes are only fellow mudslimes. If you don't believe in their religion, you're aren't innocent, and therefore it's perfectly reasonable to kill them.
>>55693189
Personaly? I'm ok with the gun laws cause i mean,sure they are useful in a few times like these but with the shit we're going through? We'd become a second america,every monday we'd have a school shooting and every two hours we'd have a suicide.
>>55692138
Again, Jewish lies
>>55693100
I don't have time for your taqiyyah Ibrahim, you know very well that the Quraysh was persecuting Muslims and got their assessment beat, hence the verses
