BERLIN — An 87-year-old German woman who is a prominent neo-Nazi has been convicted of Holocaust denial and sentenced to 10 months in prison.
Bild newspaper reported Friday that Ursula Haverbeck says she will appeal Thursday’s Hamburg state court verdict.
Haverbeck was charged earlier this year after giving an interview outside the trial of former SS Sgt. Oskar Groening claiming Auschwitz wasn’t a death camp.
When she challenged the presiding judge in Hamburg to prove it was, Bild reports that he said he wouldn’t debate someone who “can’t accept any facts,” adding “I also don’t have to prove to you the world is round.”
Groening, who gave lengthy testimony on how the death camp functioned, was convicted of 300,000 counts of accessory to murder for the Jews killed while he was there.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/prominent-german-neo-nazi-convicted-of-holocaust-denial/2015/11/13/4fcaec56-89e1-11e5-bd91-d385b244482f_story.html
(archive yourself if you want)
>>55553720
Why cant you link me a story of someone pooing in the loo
Serves those Nazis right desu senpai.
>87 year old
probably gonna die in prison t b h
>I also don't have to prove that the world is round
err yeah you do, and you can, easily
retarded law
It's pretty funny that 1/6 of the world can't post anything on /pol/
>>55553720
It's a mad world ain't it OP
>>55553720
>An 87-year-old
>sentenced to 10 months in prison
>>55553720
>he said he wouldn’t debate someone who “can’t accept any facts,” adding “I also don’t have to prove to you the world is round.”
Nice so I can just make anything up and pretend it's proven beyound a reasonable doubt so I don't have to debate it.
>>55553964
>>55553720
Loo is where you poo pancheeta
what does chaika have to do with being a nazi?
>>55554014
Chaika a cute
>>55554014
She was at Stalingrad, Poland.
Ah the classic poo in loo jokes so creative.
>>55553944
>Norway
Well you fuckers would do the same amount if instead it was a father who spanked his kids. Heuchler much?
>>55553964
>>55553900
>>55553855
GOD DAMN FUCKING IDOITS HURR DURR POO IN LOO READ THE FUCKING OP
"OH THE WHITE RACE AND CULTURE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING EXCEPT TELLING AN INDIAN POO IN LOO" FUCK
"
>>55553720
>>55553916
>>55553944
Won't they allow her to live under house arrest instead? That's what happens in Italy when they sentence old people. It's not like they actually go to prison.
>>55553916
>you can, easily
Then why is the horizon flat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW__MZXMA7A
>>55553960
>ce so I can just make anything up and pretend it's proven beyoun
hans either conform or leave this is democracy now
>>55554047
It's not a joke Pajeet, 650 million of your people shit in the street.
stop linking your thread in other ones you dumb shit head how fucking stupid do you have to be to do this?
we should write her a letter thanking her for her courage and tell her the fire rises
>>55553720
>Bild reports that he said he wouldn’t debate someone who “can’t accept any facts,” adding “I also don’t have to prove to you the world is round.”
Wait, did the judge say this?
Also it's legal to deny Armenian genocide, I can deny the Japanese killed a lot of Chinese, I can deny the Taiping rebellion, I can deny Congo+Belgium but somehow denying the holocaust is too much.
Is it holocaust denial to refute official figures and the like? I can understand how saying the whole thing didn't happen is "wrong" but arguing with small shit souks be OK.
Good. We can't allow dangerous ideologies to spread.
>>55554213
>Is it holocaust denial to refute official figures and the like?
Yea, nitpicking small details is still denial according to law.
>>55553944
I feel safe now
Nothing more dangerous than an 87 year old curmudgeon
>>55554222
Define "dangerous ideologies"
>>55554066
You seem upset. Maybe you've been shitting too much in the street? :^)
>>55554290
Ideologies that are unsafe
>>55554258
What if I claim that 5 million Jews died instead of 6, and that the 1 million that they thought were Jewish were actually Gypsies. I'm not changing the total number of dead people, just the number of Jewish victims. Is that holocaust denial?
>>55553720
>“I also don’t have to prove to you the world is round.”
The world isn't round. It's fat on the middle, like his mother.
>>55554258
So any inquiry or examination of a historical event is a crime?
>>55554312
Or French
>>55554316
Yes, doubting any detail about the official narrative is holocaust denial.
>>55553720
lel truth fears not investigation
>>55554312
like islam
>>55554312
Still as vague as ever.
>>55554372
Okay, then what about claiming that there were 7 million dead Jews?
>>55554341
If it's about the holocaust yes, our current prime minister a few years back said that free speech is sacred and he gained a lot of flak when he said that even a thing such as holocaust denial should be legal.
In the end he couldn't/didn't change anything.
>>55554316
Yes
>>55554391
Good goy more shekels required
The Holocaust never happened. But, it needs to.
>>55554316
I think their law is against something like this:
http://trutube.tv/video/6366/Landser-Hey-Jew
>>55554411
FUCK, that's evil
>>55554382
Islam is a religion, and not dangerous.
>>55554513
>>55554550
Name a single person who has been harmed by Islam. A single one.
>>55553720
§ 130 Absatz 1 STGB
Wer in einer Weise, die geeignet ist, den öffentlichen Frieden zu stören,
1. gegen eine nationale, rassische, religiöse oder durch ihre ethnische Herkunft bestimmte Gruppe, gegen Teile der Bevölkerung oder gegen einen Einzelnen wegen seiner Zugehörigkeit zu einer vorbezeichneten Gruppe oder zu einem Teil der Bevölkerung zum Hass aufstachelt, zu Gewalt- oder Willkürmaßnahmen auffordert oder
2. die Menschenwürde anderer dadurch angreift, dass er eine vorbezeichnete Gruppe, Teile der Bevölkerung oder einen Einzelnen wegen seiner Zugehörigkeit zu einer vorbezeichneten Gruppe oder zu einem Teil der Bevölkerung beschimpft, böswillig verächtlich macht oder verleumdet,
wird mit Freiheitsstrafe von drei Monaten bis zu fünf Jahren bestraft.
>>55553720
I had this conversation with my mother YESTERDAY:
>Me: I noticed that holocaust denial is illegal
>Mom: Yeah, why shouldn't it be?
>Me: Why should it?
>Mom: Because a lot of people deny that it happened and there are witnesses!
>Me: But that's the same with the Crimea invasion, why would truth need legal defense?
>Mom: That's stupid
>>55554567
A whole lot of muslims in Syria and elsewhere.
>>55554615
I don't understand that train of thought either. If there is overwhelming evidence of the holocaust then denying it should have you be considered delusional not result in you being imprisoned.
It's a violation of natural rights but then again Europe loves to violate those.
>>55554567
Abu 'Afak
Al-Harith bin al-Talatil
Hubayrah
Reason: for mocking Muhammad through poetry
Truth is only treason in an empire of lies.
>>55554312
Is that you, Diederik Samson?
>>55554567
Islam as a religion encourages harm not only towards non-muslims but to other muslims that don't take the holy scriptures seriously enough.
If you're making some pedantic argument along the same lines of "guns don't kill people, people kill people" then you're just being annoying for the sake of it.
>>55554782
Mudslimes like violating everything.
But yeah, it's stupid. Why would we need it? I can say it didn't happen, but that doesn't mean it didn't (if it did)
>>55554567
Easy enough, Salman Rushdie.
>unironically denying holocoast
Retard -_-
Trolling purposes only
>>55553720
>87-year-old
>neo nazi
pick one
Germany how can you even let your goverment take away your freedom like this?
>>55555020
indeed.
She probably was a nazi even back then, albeit a very small one.
>>55555004
>The Slavs fell for it.
>>55553855
Gtfo shill
>>55553720
Chaika on the front page!
>>55553720
There's a holocaust denial professor in the engineering department of my school. A lot of students want him to leave but our (jewish) chancellor has defended him so kind of a weird situation.
>>55555061
That's the question. They've let it happen before...
>>55555168
Because your Jewish chancellor respects freedom of speech.
It's never weird to protect freedom
Germany and freedom of speech - it just go hand in hand
Here's an example: We have state-financed-TV EVERYONE has to pay for
Couple of months ago there was a case of a (most likely) muslim refugee raping a woman and they decided NOT to air that on a popular crime solving show because it MIGHT people feel hatred towards muslims
>>55555510
>b-but censoring hatespeech isn't censorship
Pls nuke this land
>>55555510
sorry /pol/ it was a black guy and in the end they broadcast it
http://www.stern.de/panorama/stern-crime/-aktenzeichen-xy---zdf-stoppt-beitrag-wegen-schwarzer-hautfarbe-des-tatverdaechtigen-6392818.html
But the fact that there was even a discussion about this shows how perverted and degenerate this country really is
>>55555510
>We have state-financed-TV EVERYONE has to pay for
Everyone in Europe does. Only the Brits publicize and make a big enough issue of it for people to be aware and make a political point out of it.
>>55555944
>Everyone in Europe does
Yes but everywhere else you are not FORCED to pay for it I guess ?
I know you're not in Austria
>>55555944
>>55556101
But do you have to pay some bizarro TV licence like the UK, or is it just supported by federal taxpayers?
>>55554567
Remember growing up under the Roman Empire and how everything was peaceful and the economy growing? ME NEITHER ASSHOLE. Fucking Muhammad the pedophile did it for the Romans.
>>55555061
I hate my people for being so damn stupid, listening to the media all day. Also if you speak up, you loose your job and/or worse.
>>55554567
That guy in SA getting hit with a stick 1000 times because he said something bad about Islam
>>55554935
>>55553720
>87-year-old
Could be that she is an actual Nazi rather than a neo-Nazi.
>>55553720
>known for holocaust denial
>holocaust denial ultra illegal
>jew owned media decides to do something about it
>invites denier for interview to explain her views
>collects evidence and builds case
>in court judge won't present proof the holocaust happened or allow her to to present proof the aspects she questioned did not
>"no need for proof goy, er, girl, you're just wrong and need to be punished
>this is ok in goymany
>>55553720
lol
>>55556580
Hah, top kek.
>>55556101
You do. Fixed fee of 17,50 a month, incorporated into your taxes. It exists specifically to fund the NPO. Every Household pays it, whether they have tv or not,
>>55554085
Because the earth is fuckhueg!
Say having a ball size of thousand suns, sure is flat now ;^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPa_QeV9KDM
The interview
I just realised, I saw her interview on /pol/ half a year ago.
Why the fuck should holocaust denial be illegal?
If you go on public record and say that you deny that the holocaust happened, is it not "punishment" enough in itself that the majority of the population will consider you a ranting idiot?
>>55559184
Well quite. But apparently we should fear and punish men like David Irving, rather than disprove his notions and ignore the fool.
Germanic nations arent quite over their past yet, it seems. Well, we are. We decriminalized holocaust denial in 2011.
>>55553720
It looks like Germany is not Charlie anymore.
>>55559345
>>55559398
>>55559411
>>55554441
You say the holocaust didn't happen. I say that it did, though not in the extend that is claimed.
I will be perceived as being just as "bad" as you.
It's funny what the world has come to.
>>55553720
>convicted of holocaust denial
>neo nazi
>she was alive during ww2 and probably an actual nazi
wat
>>55559129
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/45247704
>>55556580
Could you translate it?
What I get is:
"Who have you bedrogen (decieved?) most?"
"Cronically ill people"
"ouderen"
"Welfare recievers"
"Asylum seekers"
>>55559184
oilbro speaks the truth.
>>55559474
What are they doing and why are Netanyahu and Abbas together
Why isn't RoundEarth denial illegal also? According to this logic, there is a bunch of people who should be in jail for claiming that our planet is flat
>>55559639
>who have you deceived most? The elderly, the chronically ill, welfare recipients or asylum seekers?
Pictured is the leader of our labour party, the PvdA, who made a lot of socialist campaign promises before going into coalition with the right wing liberal party, VVD.
>>55559817
They are line dancing, and Abbas and Netanyahu are on a date together.
>>55554782
>I don't understand that train of thought either.
Because she is a parent. Parents know that truth is lies they told. Why tell lies? For the Greater Good.
Ch-Chaika?
>>55553720
CHAIKA ON THE FRONT PAGE
>>55556345
And al-biruni sandnigger has found circumference of the earth while yurokek still doing human sacrifices
CHAIKA IS NOT A NAZI REMOVE PICTURE YOU SKINHEAD
When will America invade Germany to give them free speech?
>>55553960
it's 2015, c'mon
>>55553916
go on then, prove its round
>meanwhile shitskins who killed people don't have to go to prision because it was our fault that they commited crimes
>>55554567
>Name a single person who has been harmed by Islam.
Muhammad.
>“I also don’t have to prove to you the world is round.”
Anon proved you do.
>>55563420
>>55563610
I'm guessing that document is more focused on the aeronautics involved in flight than offering a report on how we currently fly planes over a flat Earth?
Also, what is the reason flat-Earthers give for not trusting any source of information that counters their hypotheses? I've seen many lament that NASA is just a part of the overall conspiracy and nothing from them can be trusted.
>>55563610
It says right there it is made for dek calculations and approximations. Flight over medium distance by a civil aircraft's scale is so small compared to earth's radius, assuming the earth is flat will give a pretty solid approximation for fflight trajectory etc.
Am I getting master baited ?
>>55554014
Chaika means seagull
>>55565366
all the pics are faked
>>55563597
underrated comment
