It absolutely blows my mind how people can be "unemployed".
I have literally never, ever in my entire life had trouble finding a job even if I only submitted one application to a place. I've lived in 2 small towns and 3 big cities, and even when putting as little effort in as possible, I still found it almost too easy to find employment.
Are "unemployed" people just extremely lazy and looking for government hand-outs? Looking for some false platform to stand on to shout about whatever? Do they think they are worth way more than they actually are and therefore won't "settle" for a server or retail job (just like those fry cooks wanting $15 because they think they are special snowflakes who can't be replaced)? Do these same people who won't "settle" still cry that no place will hire them? (Sorry had to add a rhetorical question in there.)
I argue unemployment is a lie perpetrated by degenerates.
>how could anyone possibly have different experiences than me
top kek
After graduation they don't want to realize a piece of paper won't give them a great job, so they automatically reject any other possiblity of job like being a cashier. As a result most of them end up becoming NEETs
>>55552130
>I can't understand how other people have different experiences than me
'kay.
I've left a college life and am not applying for fucking retail. I put in applications, apply online and have a dozen copies of my resume near me at any given time. I've been looking for a job for the last month.
It's totally because I'm lazy, amirite?
>>55552194
>>55552289
/thread
Only jobs I've had were from people I knew personally aside from when I lived in Calgary. Very easy to get work in Alberta.
>>55552130
I think most millenials think they are entitled to some supervisor job if the go to community college.
Also, it's no surprise that 82% of unemployed people are liberals
>>55552130
Retarded fast food jobs that even Tyrone could get don't count.
>>55552130
lol
>It absolutely blows my mind how people can be "unemployed".
It couldn't possibly be because the job market is complete ass nowadays.
>>55552307
yup, you bet your ass you're lazy. you didn't spend 14 hours a day sending out application over the internet that a thousand other people have already applied for, and pulling your bootstraps up.
>>55552130
I dropped out of secondary school, but I've also never had trouble finding work. It's amazing what privileges in life are afforded to you as a well-spoken, middle class white boy from Surrey.
>>55552130
>won't "settle"
You do realize it's considerably easier to pay for even a shithole basement studio with gov't benefits than a full-time bust-your-ass-60-hours-a-week shit job, yes?
>>55552130
Nice b8 OP.
>>55552426
I'll add to this that I'm lazy and unambitious as fuck, but still work a fairly high-paid job for one of the most prestigious companies in the country.
>>55552130
Its really bad if you've just started looking for work out of college in the past 5 or so years.
Having ANY work experience is a huge boon, and most fresh college grads have nothing, and that's a huge liability to an employer to have it be someone's first job.
>>55552436
you're obviously living above your means. you shouldn't be spending your money on things like cellphones and fancy food, and the internet. just use a payphone when you need to make a call, only eat 2 slices of bread and butter a day, and just walk in and give the manager a firm handshake instead of filling out applications on the internet.
you kids these days are so entitled. back in my day we busted our asses working in a factory that we walked into straight out of 9th grade. we didn't even have debt like your entitled generation, we would just save money for a couple of summers and buy our brand new car outright for $2000.
>>55552307
The fact that you refuse to work in retail until you find a better job is a big reason people won't hire you.
I know plenty of employers who don't give a shit about applicants degrees, they want to see people who will put in the hard yards at shit that sucks rather than chucklefucks like yourself who think they deserve top dollar because they read a few books.
That's why you're lazy, you don't want to do what it takes to actually earn respect
>>55552521
If you're in your 20s and have zero work experience you are literally worthless as a human being.
If you can't even get seasonal work this time of year then you might just be worthless.
>>55552619
Retail is worthless bitch work.
>>55552307
>am not applying for fucking retail
it's that bullshit mindset that is keeping you from getting a job.
To get a job in an Economy where more than 15 million people are actively seeking work is to be willing to do anything, until you're there you gonna be a broke bitch.
OOOORRR ask a friend to hook u up
>>55552619
New Zealand gets it.
>>55552521
Is there a reason why people go through college and don't ever pick up a job? I mean, even if their parents paid for it or they're on scholarship, at some point they had to think practice in the field meant something right? Shit, even at my mid-tier college they taught people internships are more important than your degree. Are people really that dumb?
>>55552628
And you wonder why they snap and start shooting people
>>55552601
>we busted our asses working in a factory
many young americans wish they were afforded the opportunity
>>55552628
That's not true. We just need to have looser laws on human testing in the medical field.
>>55552601
>cellphones and fancy food
A brick dumbphone, and I'd literally eaten fucking mac & cheese everyday for several years straight.
I had no internets then, either, could barely keep the electric on. No cable or bullshit, no vidya games.
Rents are fucking ridiculous compared to the pay; we don't need a big min wage half as badly as we need fucking rent controls.
The only reason I struggle to find employment is because of my social anxiety and depression.
>>55552675
yes and when people see you some how excelled at worthless bitch work, they offer you more opportunity.
Someone who isn't willing to do the bitch work will never be given the chance to fuck up the real work
>>55552130
100 million unemployed in 315 million nation
subtract children and elderly ...
Yes, obviously it's lazy fucks... 100 million jobs are idle, while barely 115 million work here
YOU'RE A FUCKING GENIUS !
>>55552689
You're right about the internship part. However if you're studying a real subject, chances are you don't have time for some worthless job like being a retail monkey or waiter. Not to mention your boss will definitely want you to cover for someone while you have class.
>>55552689
people are told from 2nd grade that they need to go to college, and the only way they will be successful is to have a degree. at the same time they're constantly told that anyone working blue collar, or low tier jobs are garbage, and the scum of the earth. it's not surprising many of these people have never worked when you combine these factors with the current job market.
there are probably more reasons but i can't think of them now.
>>55552601
>>55552735
I would fucking KILL for a factory job like you had 'back in the day'.
That was some fucking entitlement, there.
>>55552675
Well, you're worthless and you're acting like a bitch about it, so you'll fit right in then.
>>55552130
>It absolutely blows my mind how people can be "unemployed".
Because, in the UK, there's about 500,000 jobs available, and 2,500,000 job seekers.
It's very easy to be unemployed when every one job has five people after it.
>>55552750
>need fucking rent controls.
we can't burst the housing bubble again anon how will the political elites afford their gated neighborhoods and police state to keep us away?
>>55552689
>Shit, even at my mid-tier college they taught people internships are more important than your degree. Are people really that dumb?
They sure never taught me that... I wish Economics were required in High School so that I would have understood how the world works better. As it is, the most important subject you need in a capitalist "fight to the death" country is denied to tens of millions of youth.
Until ONE YEAR of economics is REQUIRED at EVERY HIGH SCHOOL in the United States - I accept no responsibility for any failures in my life and COMPLETELY BLAME SOCIETY and I have ZERO guilt about taking government money for worthless degrees as they didn't seem interested in teaching me anything important in High School.
>>55552735
>young Americans
They are afforded the opportunity. Do you know how many millions of factories exist across the US? But god forbid they aren't made CEO right out of their first year of CC. And manual labor? No way. They like to keep their iPhone in their pocket and don't want it to get broken.
>>55552619
>>55552676
>this guy worked in retail?
>jeez could he not find a real job? how pathetic
>we'll take the guy just out of school or this guy who already worked a real job
>PASS
>>55552426
Second that; Kent grammar school whitey here!
>>55552848
>>55552848
>I wish Economics were required in High School
.....Economics is required in high school
>>55552848
I dunno if it's state or national, but we definitely had a required sememster of economics in my high school.
>>55552780
Only really true for service sector jobs. If you really want to be a retard's bitch, you're better off joining the military where you might at least pick up a decent skill.
>>55552822
I weld and fabricate, no way I'd stoop so low to work retail. No reason any man should either.
>>55552857
>we'll take the guy just out of school
I fucking wish they hired like that.
>>55552804
>I would fucking KILL for a factory job like you had 'back in the day'.
>That was some fucking entitlement, there.
No, the factory job would kill you, you fucking city shit millenial pussfaggot. IT WOULD KILL YOU, YOU'D BAIL PUSSY.
>>55552851
>Do you know how many millions of factories exist across the US? But god forbid they aren't made CEO right out of their first year of CC.
kek. you do realize they hire mexicans, and lots of factories only hire seasonally right? also comparing today's minimum wage(or close to it), part time factory job, to a stable full time factory job with job security and benefits in past is completely retarded right?
>>55552857
Go ahead and keep applying for manager positions, but if you ever get the job tell me so that I can leave the country.
>>55552905
>.....Economics is required in high school
Nope...
>>55552130
I think it's time we wakeup to the truth,
The fact of the matter is that there are jobs EVERYWHERE, FUCKING JEWS ARE TAKING OUR JOBS. please spread the word to save humanity from rampant job market JEWRY
>>55552851
>Do you know how many millions of factories exist across the US
I worked in factories for 3 years there are NO fucking jobs in factories. Temp agencies to most of the hiring if you get hired on at a factory you will work 90 days and be rotated out for someone new. They have a large pool of workers to choose from and never hiring the temp so as not to provide benefits or better wages saves money.
You have clearly shown you know very little about the labor market in this country, I suggest you start participating in it before you pull bullshit
>>55552857
Are you being serious?
They will always hire someone doing something over someone doing nothing with their life.
I'm saying this as someone with a stem degree.
>>55552857
>we'll take the guy just out of school or this guy who already worked a real job
not in a million fucking years, work experience is better than school experience.
Work + school at 23-26 is god tier
Yeah, sure op.
My city has over 20,000 claiming unemployment welfare. Factor in people that are sick but still looking for work and people that are looking for work but not claiming anything. The figure is over 25,000 then.
The job listings for my city are usually around 700-1000 jobs.
(this is out of a city population of around 350,000 btw)
>>55552675
I got my current engineering job precisely because I worked retail while searching for 'real jobs'
When a manager has 20 resumes from fresh college grads and sees that one isn't a lazy piece of shit and actually has work ethic they're much more likely to hire you.
>>55552799
You make a good point, but at least in my area summer internships are available for work from May to August. I was lucky enough to be taking 15 hours per semester and had a boss who I had become buddies with (I have social skills) and he'd "contract" me for legal issues with his small business worth 6 million in the energy sector. Basically, he didn't want to hire a lawyer for petty shit like trademarking and land disputes, and I knew enough to help them. So I got paid $20 an hour to flirt with the hot secretary after class for a few hours and pump out a few good ideas and a few trade agreements. It worked out, so I was hired on for a summer and earned around 7k doing the same thing and saved my boss lots of money, and I have a staple in my resume that almost nobody could turn down.
I wasn't a STEM major btw. Knew plenty of engineers and I was doing a lot better than them until I transferred and dedicated all my time to LSAT and law school stuff.
>ITT:older adults who overestimate how easy it is to get a job in today's market argue with teens/young adults who overestimate how hard it is to get a job in today's market
>>55552804
>I would fucking KILL for a factory job like you had 'back in the day'.
>That was some fucking entitlement, there.
So you love being a mindless ZOMBIE for hours on end... as you STAND ON CONCRETE and repeat the box packing movement...
ROFLMAO - YOU'D KILL ALRIGHT, DUMB AS FUCK, IT WILL HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT NO DOUBT
>>55552905
>were
The most we have now is Common Core and the Pythagorean Theory
>18
>got a job at local pipeline plant
>23 an hour to start, shift work
>work there 5 years on/off wit layoffs here and there
>over the layoffs. Buy myself an old trailer and skidsteer
>Plow snow as a side job in the winter, grade ground in the summer.
>buy a bigger trailer and a new machine
>27 now, 300k in vehicle assets alone.
>crew does all my landscaping and plowing for me
It's really not that hard.
>>55552960
>city shit millenial pussfaggot
38, foreskin muncher.
I've done fucking DOG GROOMING.
I've stuck my fingers in dog's assholes & busted their pustulent ass boils for fucking rent.
I worked at UPS until the fucking strike.
I've dug fucking ditches. I've worked at McD's, Wendy's, Wal-Mart...
>>55552130
I would take a job shoveling axfs
But I've been arrested for weed because freedom.
I'm just gonna accept my fate and sleep outside soon
>>55553078
you do understand some people enjoy physical labor? not everyone is a weak legged, limp wristed faggot like you who cries about their feet hurting.
also most office jobs are just paper pushing,
answering phones, and fucking off on the internet all day. it's pretty mindless tbhfam and nothing to brag about
>>55552130
If I lost my job, I would want to find a new job in the same field. If jobs are not available for my field, I can either go on unemployment or settle for a lesser paying job. That's why unemployment is a thing. Not everyone is an unskilled minimum wage worker.
Granted, my field has ho shortage of jobs anywhere in the country. I'm an RN so I actually have various employers teying to poach me because we are in short supply. I do genuinely feel sorry for people who are in dying fields though.
>>55552130
No need to show off, not everyone is equally smart or has the same education or talent
>>55553078
>The pay
>Benefits
>Full-time
>When rent was cheaper & money was worth something
US factory workers had a pretty good fucking deal 'back in the day'.
>>55553165
I'd rather have a job that's physically intensive than my current shitshow of a retail worker.
Seriously, there's no job more humiliating and soul destroying than working in retail.
I live in London, there is basically no point getting out of bed for a job that pays less than £30k per year here
I'm not going from middle class to poverty, fuck off with your Jew shit. They'd love all us white mid class males to get stuck in retail and then be wiped out the gene pool
>>55553112
>38, foreskin muncher.
>I've stuck my fingers in dog's assholes & busted their pustulent ass boils for fucking rent.
gay perverted jew - ok
>I worked at UPS until the fucking strike.
Well that actually makes me think you might be able to take it - I doubt it - what UPS work ?
>>55553214
>no job more humiliating and soul destroying than working in retail
Only fast food. Maybe porn fluffer but I've no experience.
>>55552422
Going to the actual, physical location that you are applying at is still the most effective way to get hired. I know the allure of dropping an application in via internet is powerful, and I understand that sometimes the job is hundreds of miles away, but if it's at all possible you should apply in person. And dress well for it as well.
this reminded me on how fucking lazy my parents were
>2005
>forced to drop out of HS in senior year because family ends up homeless
>eventually end up in a weekly motel rental
>parents are too lazy to find work because fast food is "beneath them"
>bike 10 miles a day to my meaningless job at a Burger King
at least I was more in shape then, but it showed me the reality of how fucking lazy people can be while their family is displaced.
>>55553165
>you do understand some people
faggot cried about killing for factory job - NO he wouldn't
I outlined the latest here - FACTORY WORK YOU FUCKING FAGGOT. WHICH IS NOT HARD LABOR, YOU DUMB FUCKING CUNT
>>55553214
i used to work in a bank, and an office and i hated it. sitting in a chair for hours on end killed my back lower back for some reason. also those jobs go by so slowly because you're just sitting there trying to burn time.
i enjoy physical labor much more just because it doesn't kill my back, and since you're constantly busy the time goes by fast as fuck.
>>55553243
You started the name calling asswipe.
htt p://www.wikihow.com/Express-a-Dog's-Anal-Gland
I Loaded trailers.
>>55553247
I think they both suck for the same reason: you're literally putting money in other people's pockets.
I've worked in a regional warehouse for a chain and in the chain itself, and working on the shop floor is much more humiliating.
It's not so much the "working for the man," aspect as much as "making money for the man."
>>55552194
>>55552289
Well this is pretty much what I came here to say.
>>55553277
most low level jobs(the kinds that people who have no job experience are looking for) only have online applications now. if you go in the store they will tell you to just fill it out online.
obviously a face to face meeting is always the best way to find a job, but this is literally impossible to do for lots of jobs now.
>>55553301
>which is not hard labor
get some reading comprehension. i never said it was you butthurt idiot.
>>55553178
OH FUCK, THE DREAMY DAYS 5 bucks a week from henry ford....
we've got plenty of factory and not all are dreamy and haven't been
government warfare factory - car production - hope for one of those, otherwise a lot of suzy the riveter shit - BUT YOU FUCKHEADS WOULD WHINE ABOUT THAT TOO
>>55553277
If it's a low-skill type of job, like for a large retailer for example. They will tell you 90% of the time to fill it out online because they don't have applications in the store.
>>55553400
>just fill it out online
>that way our shitty HR department can delete your application because of no job experience and no idea of who you are as a person
If I can't talk to the guy who's hiring me, there's almost no fucking point in even trying.
>>55553063
What did you get on the LSAT? I went in blind and got a 160, but I'm not sure if it's worth retaking. 160 will get me into one of the 3 top 40s that are in Texas but...
Fellow lawbro, advise me.
Why not work for the government? The pay is just enough to live in middle class and job security is great.
>>55553313
Well that varies a lot, and is much easier than delivery, and is not straight robot repeat braindead shit.
>>55553447
God damn you shitpost hard. You would give an Australian a run for his money, bud. I like the way you use caps a lot to add emphasis, it really translates well to the reader and doesn't make you seem like a butt hurt woman at all.
>>55553168
Underrated
>Are "unemployed" people just extremely lazy and looking for government hand-outs?
Yes. They are the 20% of ants who choose not to work in the colony.
>>55553311
>i enjoy physical labor much more just because it doesn't kill my back, and since you're constantly busy the time goes by fast as fuck.
ahh here we go - the meme fuck the new meme fuck - it's not jobs amreicans won't do, it's what the american prefers...
ROFLMAO GOD DAMN ITS AMAZING
>>55553348
I'd agree with you there.
In retail it really does suck when you make a big sale knowing that even if you get commission you are making fuck all
>>55552130
Oldest profession continues to be successful. In other news, the sky is still blue.
Keep sucking that dick OP, it's a growing market and you're one of the best in the game.
>>55553447
I would work a decent-paying, full time job.
I won't waste 60+ hours of my life every week working some shit job & being barely able to have shit, when I can get a better lifestyle than I had the 15 years I was working beyond full-time sitting on my ass like Taequan-do & Tyroneisha do.
It's not my fault it's possible to get away with, and I'd be fucking stupid not to.
>>55553549
>one guy has a personal preference
>it's a meme
do you also think people are out to get you?
So how does one go about getting a decent job with no college education? I've got a few months in the Navy on my resume if that matters at all.
>>55553078
>So you love being a mindless ZOMBIE for hours on end... as you STAND ON CONCRETE and repeat the box packing movement...
Honestly, that beats standing around like a mindless zombie for hours on end at a cash register dealing with annoying people, while occasionally leaving your register to do some other menial bullshit.
>tfw live in California and no real factories or factory jobs exist because the state ran out all of the business with communist policies.
>>55553348
>It's not so much the "working for the man," aspect as much as "making money for the man."
That's because you are a socialist. I make money for the boss man who then gives me money. It's a mutually beneficial exchange.
>>55553492
Haven't even taken it yet friend, sounds like a pretty good score though. I worked that job in the Permian basin as long as I could, now I'm transferring to UT for spring semester to get my BA by the end of the year. I've had a family friend who got almost a perfect score advising me on the path to take. I spent the last 6 months running my family's cattle ranch and being innawoods. It has been amazing, I'm almost debating taking my ag economics education and going full time farming/ranching, everybody needs food.
>>55552985
Fuck... it was when I went. So was Civics too.
>>55552848
>>55552905
Just out of HS. Can confirm I didn't learn economics and is only now becoming mandatory
>>55553429
>i never said it was you butthurt idiot.
>>55553429
" ou do understand some people enjoy physical labor?"
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Now, both you fucking idiot pussies decided I was talking about "physical labor" !!!! BUT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MINDLESS SHIT THAT IS A FACTORY JOB - WHILE STANDING - STANDING THERE AS I SAID ON CONCRETE
Now that's not physical labor - and no one enjoys it - YOU DUMB FUCKING TWAT
>last year
>submit 3 job applications one evening
>get 2 interviews
>get 2 job offers
>take the wrong one, oil crashes and made redundant in April
>been unemployed since, just doing 12-20 hours a week at my barber's as a receptionist
>applied to 10+ jobs per week since April
>haven't even had an interview for 2 months now
My city is dead op
This is what happens when you base your economy on a substance a bunch of smelly Arabs control. Every single IT/admin job here is applied for by 500++ people. We recently had a headline where 22k people applied for some train driver positions.
>>55553619
> I make money for the boss man who then gives me money.
>It's a mutually beneficial exchange.
He gives you bitch money. A serf grows crops on his lord's land, then as reward for all his hard work, gets to keep enough turnips to feed his family. Everything else goes to the lord, who does nothing.
>That's because you are a socialist.
In a lot of ways, yes.
>>55553462
Bro find a job on craigslist for a local business. Email them a good introduction about yourself, but keep it brief. Typically they will be surprised you even did that and give you a time when they are accepting applicants. Then you go and do your "face to face" but don't be surprised when your stupid sperg self fails at that too.
>>55552130
Our grandparents' generation:
>Live through, war, depression. Life is hard.
>Raise children telling them that life is hard.
>Instill work ethic and selflessness.
Our parents' generation:
>Expect life to be as hard as their parents told them. It's not quite as bad.
>Raise children more positively.
>"You can be anything you want to be!"
Our generation and beyond (I'm 27):
>Told since birth that they are unique special snowflakes.
>Impudent, self-centered little knob heads. Attend modern universities and receive worthless degrees.
>"Less than £50K a year? Ewwww"
>Prefer to bum around complaining about the rich.
>>55553512
GREAT REBUTTBAL BUTTBOY
I'M SURE YOU'D TAKE THE FACTORY JOB TOO, I CAN HARDLY FUCKING WAIT
>>55553606
>I've got a few months in the Navy on my resume if that matters at all.
A few months? Isn't the minimum commitment at least 2 years or something like that? Did you fuck up and fail? Did you leave for a medical reason? Are you a sperg?
If you dishonorably discharged, that is at least if not worse than being arrested and you should consider yourself screwed.
>>55552130
>It absolutely blows my mind how people can be "unemployed".
Same.
I've worked ever since I was 13 doing a paper round, I worked as a KP in kitchens as young as 15 doing long hard shifts, when I went to Uni I worked jobs in my time off working in factories doing 12 hour night shifts to help pay the rent. I worked coming out of Uni as a Jnr Systems administrator.
A decade later I'm on £32k and running all of the IT for medium sized international business.
Getting a job is the easiest thing in the world, go to a job recruitment centre, ask for a job and tell them you'll do anything, they'll get you a job in 24 hours.
Peoples problem is that they think they're too good for working menial jobs or that they deserve more money than they can get, most of the issue is ego.
If it wasn't for the welfare state these people would HAVE to work to survive, they're just lazy, I don't know how many times I've heard people say that working would make them no better off than if they had benefits, so they chose to stay on benefits...they're just lazy cunts who contribute nothing to society and leech of everyone else who works hard. I can't wait until we finally abolish the welfare state.
I've only been unemployed for around 4 months all up since I could legally start working, I worked for two years straight to save up for uni.
>>55553676
I don't mean to be a Texas supremacist but even in our state who ranks very low in public education you aren't admitted into public colleges without at least one semester of economics. It wasn't all that helpful for me since I've studied it out of autism since I could drive but it definitely helped.
>>55553601
I doubt that one had the meme right, and with the back injury (disabled) from sitting - THE PUSSYVILLE SCREAM IS DEAFENING
"the man prefers hard labor" (especially the man whose back breaks from sitting down)
its a MEME
So yeah, I believe you....LIKE FUCKING HELL
Obviously you are overstating how easy it is to get a job, and in the UK at least there are more people looking for work than there are jobs available by quite a big margin.
For myself I've never struggled to get interviews for jobs I am qualified to do, but I have pretty bad social anxiety and frankly I can't fake much enthusiasm for a job I don't want. I just became self-employed in a bid to get enough experience to start applying for jobs I actually want.
Many people aren't capable of even getting those interviews. Yes, they are lazy like most of us. So they probably aren't putting in enough effort to the applications, but most people cannot write a CV or a covering letter and they are not given adequate advice from anyone. Their parents might also be long term unemployed. They don't know you can't just fling off an identical CV to 100 different jobs.
If you read their CVs you would be shocked at how retarded they come across. You might have someone with 10 years working at McDonald's and all they'd put is:
>Served customers
>Scrubbed shitty toilets
and wonder why nobody was giving them a shot. They also often have commitments that a 19-year-old college kid doesn't like children. Nor do they have any education past 16. Then once you are 35 and unemployed you start to get really depressed and you don't know what to do because you feel you can't work at McDonald's anymore.
Imagine if you were considerably dumber, you didn't even have a highschool education, you had a 6-year-old kid, no flexibility in terms of where you live, no transport beyond walking, and you had no support from anyone. Do you think you could slip into any job just as easily?
>>55553619
>Honestly, that beats standing around like a mindless zombie for hours on end at a cash register dealing with annoying people, while occasionally leaving your register to do some other menial bullshit.
So you're on carpeting, you're moving your arms to scan - then you get to move from your spot - and people are directly benefiting in front of you getting their supplies.
Instead, a repeat drone on cement, no one to talk to not moving from spot...same movements over and over
Yeah, you're thinking straight...
>>55553758
So your parents got you a bunch of work as a kid and now since you got a graduate job in IT from a recruiter out of university you think you know how the job market works?
Fuck off retard. IT is one of the easiest sectors to get work in and they don't recruit for low level service jobs.
>>55553722
yep, and let's add whine and whine and whine while living better than both previous gens with luxuries and free time up the ass in comparison, travel, vehicles, and endless supply of new effort saving appliances and upgrades.
STILL IDIOT WHINING CUNTBAGS WHO FEEL SORRY FOR THEMSELVES AND SHITSTAIN THE TERRIBLE WORLD THEY LIVE IN... NO KIDS WHY BRING THEM INTO TERRIBLE PLACE... OVER AND OVER THEY WHINE...
>>55553895
>Obviously you are overstating how easy it is to get a job, and in the UK at least there are more people looking for work than there are jobs available by quite a big margin.
make your own work then you lazy shit
there's weeds in my path I'd pay someone to remove
the local window cleaner has moved away, plenty of windows to clean
there's not a lack of work you just don't want to work
>>55552130
>>55552686
>>55552851
>>how could anyone possibly have different experiences than me
get out of your mom's basement, OP
>tfw even if you somehow manage to get a job in croatia, you most likely won't even get paid
>>55554029
lol
>>55553895
>Imagine if you were considerably dumber, you didn't even have a highschool education, you had a 6-year-old kid, no flexibility in terms of where you live, no transport beyond walking, and you had no support from anyone. Do you think you could slip into any job just as easily?
So like half the population C and below, a lot of those illlegal immigrant so add in can't speak local language half the time...
HMM THAT'S WHY WE NEED FREE COLLEGE FOR ALL !!!!
VOTE THE BERN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>55554018
Where do you live cunt?
>>55554029
Is that true? Is Croatia such bad counrty?
>>55554018
Well like I said. I am self-employed, so I already took your advice two years ago.
It's really not that simple for a lot of people though. I could do it because I have no commitments to anything financially and my gf can cover my share of the rent if I struggle for a few weeks to get much work.
If I were a single mother that wouldn't be the case. If you have no skills or training then becoming self-employed isn't quite that simple. You mention pulling weeds but the question comes up, why haven't you hired a gardener? You're not a viable customer for someone looking to be self-employed, there probably is room for a few more gardeners but to make £300 a week for 50 weeks of the year you need to have tools and a vehicle. What if you live in a city? Then what if it gets too cold to make any money in winter? What if you live in a rural area where people don't want gardeners?
There really aren't that many opportunities for unskilled people to start being full-time self employed without the need for any start up money. And there are far more unemployed people than there is room for handy men. Not to mention if they can't get work at Asda how are they going to get work from real people?
>>55553676
>>>55552848
>>>55552905
>Just out of HS. Can confirm I didn't learn economics and is only now becoming mandatory
WTF ? you in 3rd world sanctuary city or what ?
IT'S BEEN REQUIRED FOREVER AND IT WON'T GET YOU ANYWHERE ANYWAY - FOR CHRIST SAKES !
It's the conomy and brawny has lectrolites
^^^^^^ THAT'S HOW MUCH GOOD IT WILL DO^^
Ok, you're so fucking stupid it won't matter anyway what education you get, so better go full blown college, learn 2 cheat and con artist, lie with straight face, be a fucking ass kissing robot and beta team player...never raise a flag or rock the boat - and YOU CAN LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM !
>>55554132
Illegal immigrants have an extreme amount of flexibility and often they are not retards. They are often skilled middle aged people who have the guts to walk to another country to earn basically nothing while living in squalor.
They are not a good model for the average American.
>>55552985
>>55553676
dont know what shitty state or city you went to high school in but mine required an economics class to graduate
>>55554232
I graduated in 06 and I never took economics.
>>55553722
I'm 27 as well, and I've never been told I was a special snowflake. Most of the time when my parents spoke to me was tell me to stop interrupting their television watching hours. I know it's very shocking to realize that the other 7 billion people living on this planet didn't have the exact same childhood as you, but you still shouldn't project your childhood meme bullshit on everyone else.
>>55554293
what city/state you graduate in?
>>55553599
You are literal human garbage, just like the blacks you think you're above. If anything, you're worse than they are.
Why would I get a job when I have autismbux?
>>55554146
West Midlands.
>>55554211
>There really aren't that many opportunities for unskilled people to start being full-time self employed without the need for any start up money.
There's plenty of government programmes for just that.
Even the dole would get you started.
>>55552130
It has to do with people who get laid off from their job and generally have not found their next job yet.
For some people looking for the right job is time consuming. Wasting their time getting a minimum wage job hurts them in the long run. Job looking, job research, interviews, resumes, phone calls, all these things take up time.
Is this true for 100% of people who are unemployed. NO. But it is true for many people. These people won't be on 4chan bitching about being unemployed either.
Between jobs a lot of people would be doing something in the short run such as doing minor side jobs or selling their possessions for money.
What I am getting at is there is a difference in having a job and having a career.
>>55552628
this only really applies to men tho.
I have a masters in philosophy as well as a nursing degree (fully qualified and experienced), and I'm having trouble finding a job.
I'm 27 now, but back when I was 19 I had a major manic episode (before studying anything), and I caught 3 dui's and a lengthy stay in a psych ward.
I've applied for literally, over 35 jobs in the past MONTH. I'm not being hired due to my criminal record, even though I receive back bullshit like you're "overqualified". I can't even get a job in a nursing home, due to them requiring clean police records.
And yes I'm applying for things outside care. I'm applying to supermarket and mcdonalds jobs ffs.
But nowadays there's 40 chinks and a hundred curries whose entire families depend oon their getting my potential job. so they're willing to work longer hours for less.
I don't even care anymore. I collect welfare and exaggarte shit to receive disability. who gives a fuck there is no such thing as a country. just individual people with individual agendas. it's a spook.
Literally 100 applications and I got 2 jobs. These were all minimum wage no experience necessary but my local market is THAT saturated. I had to compete with high school students and they thought it was cuter to hire one of them than me. So I said fuck it and started going to college.
My buddy who graduated with math and computer science, double masters, had to do 45 applications before finally landing one job. I anticipate much worse for myself.
>>55552804
i used to have a lumber mill job before the housing market crash, that shit was GOAT. great pay, hard work and being able to take pride in it, no dress code or drug tests, work day ended at 3:30
there isnt a week that goes by that i dont think about it wishing i could go back
>>55552130
Your experiences are irrelevant when it comes to statistics. I had a hard time getting my first job. After that it became way easier. I don't know how many jobs I applied for before my first job., but it was a lot. Now it's easy for me though.
I know people who were in a similar situation to me only they didn't get lucky. And the longer you've been unemployed the harder it is to get hired, it's a spiral.
>>55554232
I graduated in 05 and took a one semester economics class that was insufficient.
>>55552940
you're not working retail because you want to, you're working retail because being in work is likely going to be a de facto pre-requisite of your next job.
There is no 'should' in this world.
When you signed up for your degree, you gambled, maybe the odds were in your favour, but it was a gamble nonetheless.
>>55553072
this, but you have to account its can be easier or harder depending where you live.
Give me one good reason though.
>be 30
>no GED
>no career insights
>make double the minimum wage working overnight at walmart
>all these horror stories keep me away from pursuing anything
>will probably die one day on the sales floor
If I do get my walking papers, I will have to anhero because no other place will come close to my current wage.
>>55553300
sounds more like severe and chronic depression than just laziness to me anon
>>55554699
GED is like finishing highschool right? WHats stopping you exactly? Anyone with IQ over 90 that should not be a problem.
>>55554777
Witnessed
>>55554387
buttmad liberal getting bent out of shape that a whitey is collecting benies that werent meant for minorities
>>55553277
We live in the digital age now.
Nowadays you are better off just filling in the applications online, because that is what they will tell you to do if you walk in.
>>55552130
Same thoughts.
I understand when people complain about shitty and underpaid jobs, but no job at all? How?
To be delivery boy or courier you need set of working legs and hands and that's all.
>>55554495
Great, so now working people get to subsidize your life because you refuse to work outside of a career you have no chance at ever landing because you were arrested for driving drunk not once, not twice, but three fucking times.
If I were an employer I wouldn't trust you to mop the fucking floor, you have liability written all over you.
Society would be objectively better off without you.
>>55553758
>>55553758
nigga the job recruitment centers in my city are full, you go ask for help and they tell you to try back in a few months to see if there is an opening.
>>55554433
You're not allowed to work on the dole or you lose the dole money, which makes it pointless to do any work. The new enterprise allowance is fucking garbage and all they will do is offer you a relatively basic loan and give you £30 a week for a few months. They don't give you any support or really assess whether your business is viable before giving you the money.
There are a few grants going around and obviously I'm not saying it's impossible to become self-employed. I am saying it's beyond naive to go "I have a few odd jobs that I would never pay anyone to do - why can't some long-term unskilled single mothers work up the gumption to come and do them?".
I do think that the government should make some real programs to help people become self-employed though. The biggest ones are run by fucking charities at the moment. It's not so bad when you can still get housing benefit while you aren't earning much.
The problem beyond needing bigger start up funds than one or two thousand pounds is that somebody who left school at 16 is often going to be near retarded. They're not going to just start running a successful carpentry business on their own.
>>55554814
Nope, 30 year old white man who has been working since 14 and owns a home in a major city. It disgusts me to see white people on here bragging about being leeches and refusing to work outside their comfort zone.
>>55554777
I failed some practice exams throughout my 20s that thankfully had no cost to them. I figure if I struggle with this, how in the fuck will I ever be able to do college-level courses? I'd rather stay out of debt and not be a burden to the American taxpayer.
also, nice trips.
>>55553606
>few months in the navy
If you were discharged I wouldn't put that on my resume.
Go work your butt off for a volunteer job for a couple months ( the longer the better), and then place that on your resume. Also it helps to know certain people if you are looking for a job. I got my first two jobs because I had family members that worked at the places I was applying for.
>>55553708
>10 applications per week
Anon, you should be doing at LEAST 10 a day if you are unemployed. Just make sure your resume is solid.
>>55555103
the volunteering thing i think is good advice, the job market is hard but no one is turning down free labor and it looks good on an application. since i am on food stamps and section 8 i am taking this as an opportunity to be an entitled fuck as far as only going to volunteer at jobs that actually interest me. the end game finding paying work in that same line of business, but even if i dont, i still got all my expense paid and im still working, so i wont sweat it too much.
>>55552194
Does that apply to minorities like me guys? It's not easy being a shitskin in a majority white nation. Just kidding, DT will take care of the libkeks and create jerbs fer muricans. Eurokeks are out of luck.
>>55553976
>So your parents got you a bunch of work as a kid and now since you got a graduate job in IT from a recruiter out of university you think you know how the job market works?
My parent (singular) didn't do anything of the sort, I lived with a single mother who didn't have any status or spare money what so ever, when I found jobs I had to go out and find them myself. I didn't finish university I dropped out in my 2nd year, I didn't get my job in IT through a recruiter I got it by offering to do unpaid work for a few weeks with a firm who was hiring, so I could prove that I had enough skills to do the job despite lacking a degree.
The point is that you work hard, you accept any shitty dead end job to support yourself while you build a skill set to get hired in the career path you want and then you work damn hard to prove yourself over the years. No one is owed a job, it's not a right, it's a privilege you earn by demonstrating to people that you have value. The problem with a lot of people today, especially young people, is that they think they're better than that.
One thing I like about the prior generations is that they knew how to fucking work hard and earn their shit, people are so entitled today it's disgusting. That's why I'm ahead in the world despite an extremely bad start.
And I get to decide who I hire as I have carte blanche for IT recruitment in the business, so take a guess who I'm hiring.
>>55552130
My wife says she can always get a job within a week of looking. Not much experience myself 'cause I'm rich and just write novels for a "living." But from what I gather from her experience it's just about determination.
>>55556091
don't worry, you'll find a job and a wife someday
>>55554890
The idea that people who struggle to get employment would solve that problem by being self employed is laughable.
The people who run successful businesses are those people who have worked in a sector for a long time and have the experience and knowledge to actually do that job competently and reliably. Running a business is harder than working for someone else so a path to being self employed is to actually gain the skills you need in a real work place.
Only a tiny fraction of businesses started actually go on to become successful long term, even entrepreneurs have about 10 businesses fail for every 1 successful one.
This argument about it being "pointless to do any work" because it pays the same as the dole is stupid and immoral. First of all the point is that you work and contribute to society rather than have other people pay you to sit on your ass. Secondly, actually being in work and getting experience adds value to you as an emloyer and gives you routes towards working your way up inside an existing business as a path to a better paying job.
This is what I was talking about before when it came to people being entitled. This is what the dole has done to people, the fact that people see it as a choice is so wrong on so many levels. People need a real ass kicking.
>>55552130
I just went, like, 6=7 months without a job. Today will be one week back at work. I did find little things, I worked a couple months at a bee farm, I cleaned rooms and party bus' for the local bar, raked leaves and cut lawns, got some rent taken off fixing up landlords house. I'm almost thirty and I have a grade six education, so this is what I signed up for.
>>55552130
Mosi-mosi Beito-kun!
>>55556277
In the UK, if you have savings over a certain amount (16K i think) you don't even get dole, just the NI contributions, which is my situation.
Applied for 7 jobs last week, some confirmations, one rejection, no interviews yet. I can drive, have solid IT skills, some voluntary work experience doing admin for a website, I sell music on the internets too, plus I have a bachelors. I'm applying for a wide range of different jobs (cleaning, warehouse, admin for example)... I have never had a proper job before, which holds me back, that's why I'm applying for anything, I don't consider anything beneath me. I hope it is only a matter of time cuz the jobsearch is fairly soul destroying.
>>55556277
>be sucessfull in youtube
>no experience needed
>make >4k a month
or
>write e-books
>make affiliated marketing money
wasn't that hard, you retarded bong
ITT: triggered NEETs
The job market sucks ass, especially in my area, but if your actually serious about it and do 10-15 applications a day in a 1-20mile radius you will find a job
>>55552378
what is your education level and major?
>>55556959
not everyone lives in a shithole country like yours where you still have retarded cleaning/fruitpicking jobs
>>55556277
This. I know there's a huge push here in the US to modify tax code and regulations to make starting a businesses a lot simpler, which I think is desperately needed, but I don't think people realize how many small businesses fail. Not for lack of effort, or even lack of a good idea, but because they just don't work.
I'm not saying don't start a business, but people need to have a better idea of the risk involved before starting.
I run a small carpentry and metal working businesses on the side of my real job to keep myself from blowing my head off. When I say small, I mean micro. I barely break even sometimes and it's more about building a portfolio at this point. Still, it's a difficult thing to do.
>>55552130
My own experience has been the same honestly. I've got a GED and didn't graduate college, I've never done food or retail and if I put out three applications, I'll land at least one of the jobs I wanted. Honestly with all the mouthbreathers being produced in this generation, I think just being able to fill out a job application without a bunch of errors and not sounding like an autist in the interview goes a long way.
>>55552804
>>55553078
>>55553619
>tfw you're a machinist
>>55552130
Honestly, from like ages 17-19, I had a ton of trouble getting my first job. No experience and youth = no company wanted to take chance on me with my first job.
I finally managed to get hired somewhere and it's been smooth sailing since. I'm 24 and have literally landed the job on every interview I went on since.
I'm not employed. But i'm definitely not UNemployed. I'm just lazy.
The other day some fuck asked me for spare change
We were standing in front of a restaurant with a help wanted sign in the window
>Worked retail for 7+ years
>Literally earning $24 ph to sit and read a book and occasionally help customers
>Offered promotions could be earning 65k+ bonus to do the same thing
>Can't handle the mediocrity and boredom anymore
>Quit job
>Go back to uni to become a teacher
Thankfully Australia pays me money just to study. Might even go military to get a free degree.
Living as a wageslave is no life. Having a job that contributes nothing except making someone else rich is no life.
There's no point in living just to exist.
>>55557157
>not sounding like an autist in the interview
This is where /pol/ falls down.
Smart people, but lacking people skills.
Holy shit, some of the post on this thread
>you need to go to college and get perfect grades while working full time
>also don't forget to do those unpaid internships
>remember to find connections too, that's important!
>it about determination, just keep applying
>sometime you just got to rip your anus and break your back for years to get a good job
>sell yourself better
>stop feeling entitled to a decent living, put in those long hours for a chance to get ahead
>"just busy your ass!"
God dam. I see why people kill themselves. It's just a NEVER ending ride of stress and hardship.
>>55556937
What I will say, as someone with experience hiring other people is...up the number of jobs you're applying for in any one go. Here's the breakdown of what it looks like from our business, we look at something like 100 CVs/applicants in a small/medium sized UK city, for a single position we want to fill long term (normally a skilled position)
If that's even close to being indicative of every business that means on average if you're of average worth and competence for the jobs you're applying for, you'll land one for every 100ish applications you make.
You need to be applying to more jobs than 7 a week, because at that rate getting 100 CVs out the door will take you about 14 weeks. I'd advise aiming for something like 10 a day minimum, if you want a job quickly.
And from the hiring perspective this is normal. if we want to fill something like sales positions in our call centre and we want say 4 new staff, we know we'll need at least twice that coming to the final interview as we expect half to abandon last minute due to finding something more suitable, and if we want that 8 in the final interview we'd have to invite 16 because 1/2 wont turn up on average.
There's no risk doing this, if you land a job that's better in the time you're waiting to get picked up by someone then you can walk out of your new job for a better one, and you can keep job searching while you're employed in a temp job, generally speaking businesses like to see people filling their unemployed time with some kind of work, it speaks to your work ethic.
>>55556957
For many people on the dole long term, those things are actually quite hard, that's the whole point, if they were easy or the people who need work were smart enough they'd be off the dole.
>>55553078
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>>55557308
>God dam. I see why people kill themselves. It's just a NEVER ending ride of stress and hardship.
All the job ads make it worse too.
>We're looking for an excellent person with excellent skills in everything who is excellent
>Must be able to juggle blindfolded
>Must be able to feed the 5000
>Must be able to stick a broom up their arse and wipe the floor at the same time
>Constant, beaming delight with all of the above at all times
then you go in to some shops and the staff look like pic related, and you wonder where you are going wrong.
Im with OP.
I am a 23 year old guy with no degree and bad school grades. However due to smart choices, I now work in healthcare management. I order around nurses, OTs, physios. Its a very interesting dynamic to be in, especially when you know less than the people you're pushing around. And the best thing is, I know I turned down better paid, more senior roles. I could get a better job in weeks if I wanted to.
The key thing which most people seem to mess up is specialisation. Until you you begin to specialise in a particular area of knowledge, you will be garbage. Video games should have taught the lot of you that jacks of all trades are worthless, and its why they dont get paid a whole lot in society. Therefore straight out of highschool or college (unless you made a good degree choice) its always going to be hard. However once you have worked in a particular field for a couple years, opportunities start opening up.
The earlier you pick a good field to specialise in, the sooner you can adjust the direction you're heading in. With some of the more desirable areas, this may require you to start with volunteering.
>>55557402
>then you go in to some shops and the staff look like pic related, and you wonder where you are going wrong.
this x 10000000000000000
I've seen some freakish people working almost everywhere
>>55557308
>God dam. I see why people kill themselves. It's just a NEVER ending ride of stress and hardship.
Yes let's ignore the rewards such as when you've proved yourself and have value you can give to other people then life is basically easy mode.
I busted my ass early on and accepted the hardship to make my future bright, I now work as Head of IT on a relatively good salary. Life is fucking easy mode.
Compared to those people who dont bother trying and work the same crap jobs their entire lives. It obviously makes sense to endure short term hardship. The only people who argue against it are the losers who go nowhere and blame the system that working hard is somehow unfair or beneath them.
the only thing that stops them is their standards and after a while their way of life.
lying at home jacking off to anime and eating two bags of chips a day is fun in the beginning, then its just the way you live and finally it becomes your doom. 10 years as a NEET and you're fucked unless you have an iron will and can break habits easily. waking up at 10am to wipe tables for two hours becomes a fucking chore and you feel like dying. being around people makes your heart beat like you saw a ghost, unless you're socially active during that time which is really unlikely.
this is why artists and writers often went insane if they weren't before they started. sitting at home drinking and doing jack is dooming no matter how huge your mansion is and how bloated your bank account is.
>>55557467
Right, the most mopey braindead people lacking social graces have jobs while you don't. Defies explanation in this supposed "competitive" job market. (in reality, they probably got there via connections rather than merit.)
>>55557402
You are a prime example of someone who lacks imagination. Im an immigrant, so I dont know if its the bad food or bad weather on this island, but Brits seem to struggle to see the big picture when it comes to work life.
Do you honestly think anyone meets those job requirements? I dont think I have ticked all the boxes for a single job I have applied for.
You need to use common sense, and understand that the job you are going into will require from you - in terms of skills, in terms of previous knowledge/experience. And just apply, and take a chance. More than 50% of the time you will be rewarded. How do I know? Because I am involved in medical recruitment.
>>55553300
>Explain this image
The civil war if fought by ballerina's, the musical.
Oh and this anon has it right.
>>55557419
>The key thing which most people seem to mess up is specialisation. Until you you begin to specialise in a particular area of knowledge, you will be garbage. Video games should have taught the lot of you that jacks of all trades are worthless, and its why they dont get paid a whole lot in society. Therefore straight out of highschool or college (unless you made a good degree choice) its always going to be hard. However once you have worked in a particular field for a couple years, opportunities start opening up.
Basic economics tells us that value is based around supply and demand, the more people can do the job you're doing the more supply there is and so the value goes down, which is why manual labour (which damn near everyone can do) is paid so little.
Find a job that almost no one can do, or very few people can do, and you'll be paid loads. Part of that comes from specialisation, part of it comes from gaining experience by actually being in the work place, when you have both of those things you'll be getting paid loads.
I genuinely believe that knowing economics 101 would be a massive help for most people stuck in a rut when job hunting.
>>55557419
>this paki believes he got the job because of common sense or qualifications
>what is affirmative action
>>55552130
I never have until now.
>8 years working experience (since I was 16)
>Never been fired
>Undergrad and Master's degree
>Worked all the way through both
>No criminal record
>Worked in kitchens, shops, offices
Suddenly out of nowhere, no-one will hire me. I'm literally unemployable and I have no idea why.
I applied for jobs in work that I was doing for two years previously and I didn't even get an interview.
>>55557544
>Do you honestly think anyone meets those job requirements? I dont think I have ticked all the boxes for a single job I have applied for.
No, I don't, I think it's the employers pushing their luck :) they expect high standards because they need to whittle down the number of applications. If the ad said "yeah this is really easy, any muppet could do it" then they'd end up with even more worthless applications than they already receive.
>>55554170
Why do you think all the young people left?
>>55557614
what's your degree?
>>55557614
have you shown up in casual wear with resume and application asking for the guy in charge of hiring?
>>55552130
40% of the population under 35 are completely unemployable. Not all of them realise this right away/
>>55552307
yfw Western Culture has three capital sectors
Service: Retail, cops, health
Cultural: Teaching, Arts
Governmental/Business Owner.
>>55557604
No, its not that. Im european.
Having worked in several roles which involved interviewing and recruitment, ill tell you this: 40 - 50% of a decision as to whether you're hired is about whether they like you. You need to show knowledge and experience, but that only takes you so far in an interview. The rest is "how will they assimilate into our team", "do we feel we can work with this person".
>>55557467
>>55557516
Judging people by looks is stupid. People like that might have very good work ethics, turn up on time, act responsibly and enthusiastically and not act like they're too good for the job they've been given. Employers care about that more than they do what the person looks like.
The idea that the free market works while maintaining a high degree of nepotism is just silly. Businesses compete with each other to stay afloat, when one business hires for reasons outside of suitability for the job they put themselves at a disadvantage to their competition and so tend to go bust. The free market cannot sustain high degrees of nepotism, it occurs in very small degrees and normally only for people who are already suitable for the job.
I´ve been happily working at state-run workshop that renovates furniture, it´s not anything fancy and can be quite boring at times but it´s better than nothing for now.
What worries me after the deal is over what jobs should I seek because I got severe atopy.
I can´t do much physical labor with my hands or work with chemicals or jobs that are dirty since those destroy my hands. Of course there´s lotions and such but those are no use if I can´t let my hands heal.
>>55557308
If you're really having a hard time just do some basic volunteer work for a couple of weeks then slap that shit on a resume for when you start applying.
Apply before the holiday's, they'll hire easier around that time of the year much easier to meet demands of the shopping season. After that if they start laying people off try and be one of the few they keep. If not stay on as good terms as you can before they lay you off.
Once you leave that job go back to looking for more work and doing volunteer work to keep your resume filled with activity rather than just one long ass blank between jobs.
Don't be afraid to do some under the table work if need be. Remember them paying taxes on hiring you is their problem so if you can get some work in construction or digging ditches or some shit you should go for it until you find a real job. Just claim the income you got from that job under table work and you should be fine far as i'm aware.
>>55552130
A lot of people are unemployed because they believe they are above certain types of work.
They'd rather collect welfare than work a job that is 'beneath them'.
>>55552130
When I was around the age of 16 I had a
Spanish GF and I needed money fast to be able to travel to her.
I've made a list of 23 companies, went to them
personally. Left my CV and even made the gesture I would work beneath minimum wage.
Whatever it took just to have money to visit my love.
It was the 23rd company of my list that hired a
16 year old who was willing to work for less and without difficult paperwork.
I was the most attractive and flexible empoyee
for these companies to do the shit work, but they did not hire me. Except the last one.
It is not always lazyness
>>55557678
women studies
>>55553021
Yfw I managed a busy retail outlet for 8 years while getting my PhD.
I have no trouble finding work, but I have trouble finding the kind of work that won't physically kill me while still paying a decent amount.
College is worthless. It hasn't helped me get a job yet. And for certain positions, I'm told I need to have prior experience even though it's an entry level gig and I have an almost flawless 15+ year employment history and attendance record.
>>55557870
The biggest bullshit ever. There is no such things as work 'beneath', every job has its important matter
>>55557906
This. You are either needing the money or you are a future-neet.
>Entry level position
>College graduation in the overly specific field is necessary
>3 years of experience preferred
The worse thing is that I actually landed a job with an add like this after sending 50 applications.
That coupled with fucking HR scum interviews (interviews with actual technicians and managers are always better).
I don't know what bullshit theories are behind these trends, bu it sure gives a good image of the corporate world.
I unironically believe that the persistence of collectivist ideologies among some (minority fortunately) white middle class is linked to the atrocious image given by the corporate world as soon as when you enter it.
I had to lie without blinking to get a job. Employer lied about the job requirements, about the job itself, etc...
When the entire process of recruitment is build on lies, you might as well enlist in the military.
>>55557678
My undergrad is Mathematics and the Master's is in Economics.
Tips to people who want an easy ride. The following will at least pay for your degree, and will often pay you a wage whilst you study too.
Merchant navy/shipping:
Deck/engineering programmes.
Medical:
Paramedic (you'll need to have a C1 license though)
Nursing, Occupational Therapist, Physiotherapist - secondment programmes after you have worked in the NHS for a year.
Policing:
Student officer programmes
Senior officer direct entry programmes
Unless you have your sights set for the top (and even then a lot of these will help rather than harm you), these are some of the smartest choices you can make as someone starting out their career.
>>55557906
Considering in the Netherlands, earning modaal (average) only nets you about 1800 euros more than welfare, there really is no point in working for many lazy people. Modaal is 36,000 a year. Welfare is 19,600 a year. But workers pay their own rent, Healthcare, electricity etcetera.
Welfare recipients are so susbsidized in this country they factually only earn 1800 euros less than workers. This is from a study of the CBS.
>>55557292
There's no such thing as a free degree or free studying, these things are paid for by taxes of people who actually work.
Most people aren't "wage slaves", work is voluntary and people chose to work because working gives you a better quality of life than being a bum.
But sure, stay stuck in your edgy "fuck the man" phase and we'll come back and compare notes in 10 years and see how our quality of life compares.
>>55557544
Good advice.
>>55557038
Yep, starting your own business is hard and requires the knowledge and experience that working for someone else brings, the idea that NEETs who struggle to get hired for a normal job could start their own business is largely laughable. If you can't land a job doing something you're never going to do that thing working for yourself, unless you've just created some insane never before seen innovation.
>>55552307
don't apply to places that has ads. they get a million applications a day and will pick out the one with most lies on his resume. pick out some places related to your degree and call asking for whos in charge of hiring, tell your name clearly and calm and ask if they are hiring and if you can get their email to send your resume and application. ask for email even if they say they're not hiring. if something opens up they'll remember you and call before they post an ad.
i did it. everybody had enough people except one place. while working there i got tonnes of calls asking if i was still looking for a job.
you can do it. save all the numbers and names.
and keeping a job while you're looking for something better is better than having a gap on your resume between graduation and current date.
>>55552130
It's tough, when I moved out after college I didn't have a car and had to couch surf while looking for any job I could find.
Probably took me a good two weeks to even just find some part time work although I managed to stabilize after that.
I can't imagine how hard it would be for a darkie who has been told his entire life that it's other people's fault he's a failure and set up to be a welfare nigger by everyone in his life.
because pays absolutely shit for most jobs these days, it's literally slave labour
>>55558051
I know, but I am not the type of person who would feel good to leech.
>>55556277
>This argument about it being "pointless to do any work" because it pays the same as the dole is stupid and immoral
I don't think you understand. You cannot use dole money to support yourself in starting a business. If you went weeding and mowing lawns all the money you earn will be taken away from the dole money you can receive. Meaning it would either be pointless for you to be on the dole (they don't give you any valuable support otherwise) or it's pointless to do the work.
This means doing 10 hours of work a week puts you in a worse position, because you could have spent that time earning the same amount of money while looking for a job and then you'd be earning a real wage.
You are correct that having 10 hours of work in a useful field would be valuable. If you want to be a laborer or gardener then getting some work in is never a bad idea. If you can get 10 hours of work though, why stop there?
I personally don't fall for your phony moral outrage about collecting benefits or welfare. I am 100%, since you are so naive, that you have been cradled by your family and society since birth. You've been given privileges and opportunities that the long term unemployed don't even know exist. I bet you have take a comparable amount of money in all your education and other bullshit services you use, and the only reason you can get cheap food 24 hours a day is because service workers are subsidised with benefits.
>>55552130
I don't think that in the US there is a problem finding jobs. It's more of an issue of "upstanding gentlemen of african descent" not wanting to work. On the other hand there are places like mine, Greece, that finding a work is really unlikely. Personally, Im working from 2012. But my gf is a statistics analyst and cannot find a job all this time. Unemployment of people between 18-30 years old in Greece is 52%. In 2008 total unemployment was about 8-9%, today it is 29%. So it is a matter of where you live basically.
>inb4 pay denbts
dad was unemplyed for a couple of months, he's in his early 50s. people where i live would rather want someone straight out of university rather than an old fart.
>>55558206
Dan ben jij geen allochtoon, hé vrind.
>>55558051
>Considering in the Netherlands, earning modaal (average) only nets you about 1800 euros more than welfare, there really is no point in working for many lazy people.
Same fallacy we've seen in this thread over and over, people aren't paid the same wage for the rest of their life, as you gain experience and knowledge your value increases and you move up through the ranks.
The point of working a low paid job for a few years is to give you access to better and better paid jobs, if you never leave welfare then you're on welfare forever and just harm your ability to be hired in future since no one wants to hire a welfare bum.
>>55558250
Yeah because greece's economy is completely and totally fucked by your government and the social policies you've voted in as a nation. That's a fairly unique situation and really the fault of the collective voters there.
Now pay denbts.
>>55558252
Depends where, and doing what.
Yeah, if hes a painter and decorator aged 50, he hasnt made the best life choices and is going to start being bitten in the ass right about now.
But a 50 year old IT tech? A 50 year old nurse? A 50 year old tailor? These people will have seen it all, and are like gold.
>>55552194
op gets rekt in 1st reply.
so youre telling i would have gotten a job at mcdonalds had i written a cover letter? i think its ridiculous to write a letter to mcdonalds.
My country doesn't give me money but I jus rent one of my houses and live un the other
Why the fuck should I work
>>55557604
france bringin the heat
>>55558285
>as you gain experience and knowledge your value increases and you move up through the ranks.
Ambitious hard working people do, sure. I have colleagues who have spent over 20 years in the same business, earning 27k a year. I'm a student, for me its a side job, and I'll grow and earn more. But non uni-educated people? No way will they earn much above minimum wage.
Especially in the public sector, people can have carreers for their entire lives where they earn just over minimum wage.
>>55558394
work until you can buy more houses to rent out. don't stop until your estate empire grows by itself and you live in a mansion on the brink of suicide because you can't get rid of all this money.
>>55558586
This.
Become the poncho Trump.
Then campaign to make Peru great...for the first time.
>>55558357
>Implying the voting collective of any country is intelligent.
>Implying that voting actually matters.
>>55553619
Sitting on toilet at factory job in California literally shit posting on my 5 pm to 5 am shift, get on my level.
>>55558586
Looks like someone played too much Assassins creed.
>>55558720
never played that game. is it any good?
>go through elementary, middle, high school
>slack off massively but still do okay through 99% of everything because I am apparently less retarded than average
>the average person is unbelievably stupid and basically doesn't even attempt to participate in most cases, sometimes even in advanced placement classes(what the fuck)
>get older, drop out of college because lazy/unmotivated/disillusioned with the state of our university system and its benefits
>find out that basically there are still a lot of industries where you can succeed despite not having a degree; trades, computer programming, some types of business, construction, etc. The list goes on for miles, really
>pick up computer programming in my spare time
>quit my shitty mcdayjob and do it full time
>four months later I've got a github and a small portfolio with some apps on the app store
>start applying for jobs
>two months later I have three offers above $50k in low cost of living areas and one offer for $65k in a high cost of living area
>take 50k with bennies in Indiana and never look back
I think the "real world" is just a scaled up version of high school to be honest. You've got your fucking retards who are just failing constantly and blaming everyone else, your slackers, your geniuses, your overachievers, the people who everyone knows are doomed to failure, the people who are basically faking it despite being failures (I meet a lot more of these as an adult; basically everyone on Facebook)
Anyone who says "m-muh outsourcing" is either 1) too stupid to figure out what skills are in demand in the USA, or 2) is simply a liar, a failure, or some combination of those two and needs to make excuses for why they themselves can't make it.
If you are
1) willing to move
2) not retarded (IQ > 100)
3) willing to put in a little bit of work
you can find a job in software dev. It's that simple. Especially here where everyone is basically an intelligent, slacking computer nerd.
>>55558526
>Ambitious hard working people do, sure. I have colleagues who have spent over 20 years in the same business, earning 27k a year.
Well that's their problem, there is a maximum amount of experience and knowledge you can earn from the same business, that's why when your career path in the same business reaches a dead end you apply for another job where there's room to learn and grow.
Yes you need to be ambitious and hard working to be motivated to do that, that's the cost of climbing the ladder and getting better positions that pay more.
>>55558389
>so youre telling i would have gotten a job at mcdonalds had i written a cover letter? i think its ridiculous to write a letter to mcdonalds.
Spend more time doing things that demonstrably increase your chances at getting what you want and less time complaining why you think those things are ridiculous. This is the entitlement I'm talking about all through this thread, "I shouldn't have to do X because..."
>>55558376
>But a 50 year old IT tech? A 50 year old nurse? A 50 year old tailor? These people will have seen it all, and are like gold.
The amount I've learned in just 10 years in my career in IT from Jnr systems administrator to Head of IT makes me wonder what insane things I'll know when I'm 50. At that age with that much experience people in those professions often start just doing consulting work which pays a fucking fortune, because the amount of value you've gained in that time (if you're not a numpty, and you've worked hard) is damn near incalculable.
I had a mental breakdown last year where I didn't work for 6 months. Thankfully my parents let me stay at the house during this time. I easily got a job at walmart after and still working there now.
Take women out of the workforce and I guarantee you more men will work. Also bring jobs back from overseas, stop hiring illegal immigrants, and stop this H1B1 nonsense.
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>>55552130
I agree with you
People nowadays want to work few hours, gain a lot of money and benefits.
>>55552130
I think this is your problem when it comes to understanding this: 1. The first job you got, was easy to get. That means you got lucky. Once you had gotten that job, you had references. References are far more important than anything else when trying to get a job.You have also not had any "holes" in your CV I suppose? You see, you are almost automatically disqualified from being considered if you have a hole in the CV. If you have a year of your life unaccounted for, you are seen as not stable workforce.
I understand how you can't understand. You don't understand how the randomness of life can leave you sick or lead you into some kind of other problems that make you unable to keep up for a while in your life and how that is not a problem just then and there, but it follows you through life, and to get out of it, you have to be lucky. You have to meet someone that will take a chance on you, even though you don't have the perfect papers that he will get from someone else if he says "not interested" and waits for a few other applicants.
>>55558285
but ive worked low paying jobs for years and all i have ever gotten from it is being taken advantage of by the managerial staff.
>>55558911
>Well that's their problem
It is. But you seem to operate under the assumption that people are rational, intelligent people. Lots arent. Lots are petty, dumb and unambitious bastards.
Voltaire made this same mistake, with his "rational self interest conducted between logical people" being the basis of society.
>>55552130
there are certain red lines,
if an employer finds out these people were in jail then it works against them.
if the answers sound to good it may be taken as being a liar
>>55558876
I agree with this, generally speaking you can tell what people are going to turn out like based on peoples attitudes from early life.
I think that's fine, people should be able to pick how they want to approach life, if you want to work min wage for the rest of your life by never have the stress of being a manager or doing something important then that's fine. But don't try and pretend it's anything but your own choices (and minimum amount of bad luck) that you are where you are.
People who work hard and have a good work ethic get ahead, they don't do it immediately it takes years of bad jobs and gaining value, but once you arrive at the good job with good pay life is a lot better.
10/10 would hire.
>>55557281
>implying businesses hire homeless people
they would sooner close from a lack of staff than hire that guy most likely.
>>55559126
I do not see the big woop about ambition. I'm an animal. A somewhat intelligent animal, but an animal all the same. My experience of life, the limited time I have got to be alive before I die, is not tied to what I can accomplish. Or my success. It's tied to how many minutes of my life can I do what I want to do and how many minutes of my life is what I have to do. Off course money is a tool that can be used to do what you want to do, however, unless you are economically independent (you have enough money to buy your own time), being successfull and having ambitions directly makes you move more time from "what you want to do" to "what you have to do". It's a waste of the only thing you actually have. Minutes alive.
>>55559115
Well now you have real world work experience under your belt, something to put on your CV and references you can cite in order to get you a better job. Think about the value you're gaining in your current position, if it's not increasing much over time you need to consider a new job where you have room to grow. Jobs aren't careers and a lot of places just offer menial jobs, you need to consider what career you want to do and get work in that sector.
>>55559126
I don't operate under that assumption, I'm simply advocating that people choose to behave that way because it's in their own best interest to do so, if they're not smart enough to work that out themselves, then at least accept advice for people who are actually doing well in life.
I know a few people who are dumb, unambitious and most of all petty, a lot of these people are also anti "the man", and seem to be under the opinion that business owners are evil exploitative assholes and arrived at their position magically and without any work, a completely warped view of the business world which is sad because it only hinders them to becoming successful themselves.
That's why I endlessly give out advice in threads like this, it's important we have as many people thinking rationally and interacting with reality in a constructive way.
If there is something that can make me support leftists, feminists and mudslimes - it's surely cocky assholes like op. The more time I'm spending on various imageboards, reading some rants of angry social darwinists, the more happy I am for this piece of crap civilization slowly dying.
>>55559428
>seem to be under the opinion that business owners are evil exploitative assholes
implying they aren't
>25
>tfw no college degree
>no student debt
>working residential construction past 6 years
>making more money than everyone I know my age
I might be broken down by the time im 55 but at least I will be retired and will get some sweet pain meds
>>55559428
you just sound delusional to me. but honestly shit probably works different on your side of the pond then over here. while you say makes sense, you have people with 20 years experience in a field being told they dont have enough experience for the job they are applying for only to have that slot filled by someone with zero experience for the sake of affirmative action and tax breaks. and that could just be where i live too, but the hard numbers are that there are simply more people than there are jobs by a wide margin and it is too restrictive to start business to create jobs. you could give 100% of the people here the same advice and they could all absorb and use it, but it wouldnt make a noticeable effect on the unemployment rate and/or the need for welfare. because the truth of it is, around here, you either have to know someone or get lucky, no business of any kind are struggling to fill positions.
>>55559375
>Off course money is a tool that can be used to do what you want to do, however, unless you are economically independent (you have enough money to buy your own time), being successfull and having ambitions directly makes you move more time from "what you want to do" to "what you have to do". It's a waste of the only thing you actually have. Minutes alive.
True, but it again makes the same fallacy that people are either poor in bad jobs or rich in good jobs. The overwhelming number of people on earth start in bad jobs where you cannot buy your own time, and end up in jobs where you can.
Using this argument to avoid doing work to free up time makes the erroneous assumption that so many people make, which is that these groups are static, they're not. "The poor" are a band of wealth that people move through, only a very very tiny percentage of "the poor" band actually stay poor perpetually.
We've seen others make this argument for staying on the dole because working otherwise pays the same, sure it does for maybe 2-3 years at most, by then you have experience to warrant getting paid more. Assuming you use those 2-3 years to actually work hard.
You know all those job requirements that list a preferable 2-3 years experience, well welcome to your new value which makes you much more likely to get the job over someone with no experience.
>>55559375
You sound like a fucking hippy. You work to live, and live to work. You are a radar in an economic machine. Not much more.
>>55559557
The moment you see your employer and your contract with them for what it is, a voluntary mutual agreement that benefits you both, you'll have a much more healthy understanding of the reality you face.
If someone is evil or exploitative then work for someone else, or when you're negotiating your terms of work, make sure to negotiate the things you want from your job.
This isn't hard.
