FREE COLLEGE SUPPORTER BTFO
>A vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote for nothing
>muh free stuff
>the 1% will pay Lol
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/12/neil-cavuto-repeatedly-confronts-student-pushing-free-college-plan-with-harsh-facts-figures-during-cringeworthy-9-minute-interview/
>>55520357
>comparing Greece to USA
nice fallacy
>>55520357
>not wanting free stuff
what kind of retard do you have to be to think this way
did your parents not let you go trick or treating as a kid so now you don't want anyone to get handouts?
>>55520964
But someone else bought the candy right?
>>55520932
are just dumb or trolling?
The point of the comparison is that the top 1% can just move their money out of the country if it is benefits them, which is exactly what happened in Greece.
>>55520357
Glad that cavuto hit on the fact that these bernie loving idiots would drive every last drop of wealth right out of the country. It's why he has no shot of winning.
>>55520964
>free
shut the fuck up retard
>>55521122
So am I.
In all honesty I never thought to bring that point up.
>so what happens to people who leave with their money?
>well then someone else will pay
>and then when they leave?
>well...
>say you have to pay, will you be OK with that?
>oh-oh y-yeah
>>55520357
Holy shit this was funny.
>>55520357
The interviewer guy was so fucking nice. I would have just shat on her.
>>55522205
>revealing your powerlevel on live TV
>>55520357
Here's a number he didn't hit on. If you take all the wealth from the top 1%, convert it to cash, and distribute it to the bottom 20%; they'll receive ~$150k each. What do you think the ROI on that would be?
>>55520932
>laws of economics change where I am because we're super special
Nice head up your ass.
>>55522300
Sauce on this?
>>55520357
They chose her as she was a shit spokesperson adn easily beaten in n argument, you know kinda like the left wing outlets do constantly too
>>55523458
Yeah, but it was still fucking funny.
>>55523458
I just find it funny that she didn't think to prepare for this interview... An interview with people who talk economics for a living
>>55520357
>They chose her as she was a shit spokesperson adn easily beaten in n argument
>They chose her
The girl was introduced as Keely Mullen, Million Student March national event organizer. She CHOSE HERSELF, being in charge of putting her cause forward for consideration by a larger audience.
And good Christ, Mrs. Mullen got BTFO by the first question.
>and how's that going to be paid
>deer in the headlights look, hemming and hawing
She was easily beat in an argument because hers (and yours) is an indefensible idea, one that goes unchallenged when its bounced around into her microscopic echo chamber.
Or do you mean to say there's more of an argument to be had? Maybe if she wasn't some typical indoctrinated maleducated cunt who merely vomits back what her prof wants her to say for a passing grade? Maybe if we got it straight from the prof's Marxist mouth? One who was more versed in avoiding the central, probing questions and more skilled at distracting from that with invective and fallacious class-war laden rhetoric and demagoguery?
>>55524245
And yet the age group she's in is allowed to carry on thinking this will work with nobody to challenge them
>>55520964
It's not "free" and you know it.
3/10 for the 3 replies you got.
Neil Cavuto is a graduate with a Mass Communication degree, I really don't give a shit what he says or take him seriously.
>>55524631
so he has a degree about talking on tv...and he talks on tv for a living, sounds like he knows what he is doing....
>>55523231
Crunched the numbers he gave comes to about 9 Trillion which seems too much even for the top 1% when not a single one has a net worth in the hundred billion dollar range
>>55524631
damn what a handy dismissal of everything someone says based on an unrelated triviality
>>55522300
That would be a great set of numbers to have sauce on.
>>55524767
>>55524940
Liberal arts fags detected
I only listen to people with STEM degrees so I know they are actually smart.
>>55524535
Don't worry, they're hard at work following their prof's lead to expand their safe zones, prof's from entirely different departments. Soon they won't ever have to encounter a challenging idea. When those safe zones encompass the entire country, her and her profs' retarded ideas will be made to work.
Holy shit this chick is an idiot.
>we should just tax the shit out of them I don't care about what they want - it's only what I want
>lol rich people will never leave
>>55524971
I agree, can someone post an inforgraphic of the numbers?
>>55525066
so someone should study math in order to go into journalism?
>theblaze.com
are you fucking kidding
Ever since occupy "Top 1%" has just become a punchline for people with two brain cells to rub together.
Do liberals not understand that this "1%" doesn't store their money in huge money bins like in their duck cartoons, it's all reinvested into the stock market? Leveraging massive taxes against rich entities isn't free money, it affects the entire economy.
>>55525239
can you find an issue with the actual video or article?
>>55525066
So I guess when Uncle Ben was spitting bullshit about the pyramids he was right because of his degree?
>>55520357
>hoarding the wealth
God, I hate this fucking expression. What does this even mean? Saving their money? If they were saving too much money interest rates for student loans would be lower.
> uhm great question
>>55525303
It was posted on the second dumbest political news site on the Internet behind /pol/
>>55520357
These people should be forced to read an economics book at gunpoint.
>>55525411
can you watch the video and find something wrong with it? it seemed pretty clear the woman didn't know her stuff and got embarassed
>>55520357
>that piece of red cloth
Fucking Quebec students spreading their "cheap college" BS to the rest of the world.
Not every place gets billions of dollars of equalization payments from the rest of the country so you can subsidize your tuition by 75%
>>55525450
He won't watch, he's probably a liberal and has his TV preset on that Rachel Maddow guy
>>55520357
MRW Liberal College Bernie Sanders supporter getting keked
>>55525411
And you're so smart, right goy?
So fucking smart, gosh
>I live in a world where I see a population around me that's doing nothing to contribute to society
I do too Keeley
>>55525239
>>55525411
speaking of echo chambers
>I won't discuss this issue because a place I don't like covered it. NOPE! Uh uh.
Lucky for you, there's a place you can go.
>OBVIOUSLY...UH Y'KNOW...YEAH...UM...I MEAN...ABSOLUTELY...99%...GREAT QUESTION UM...B-BUT...I MEAN...YEAH...RIGHT
>THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE RICH PEOPLE, JUST MAKE THEM PAY
This is what a college "education" gets you. I'm glad her middle class family worked so hard for that great investment instead of getting her into trades.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca-GncBz60M
>>55525613
She litterally described her demographic in that line
>i-i-it sounded good in a group of retards that all agree with me!
Typical leftist retard apologist pushing their marxist fantasies, the dumb bitch was a deer caught in headlights.
>>55520357
Should've just linked to the video instead of blaze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmji36q8E4o
>>55525559
>MRW
>>55525317
>God, I hate this fucking expression. What does this even mean?
Little marxists are told that just about everyone who has large sums of money inherited it. It's who they demonize most, anyway.
As if it wasn't a known thing that families who sit on inherited wealth are put back into the middle class within two or three generations.
>>55520357
>Cavuto say's the 1% paying 50% tax rate
>Closer to 20% for those who jew the tax code
>Teen bitch to stupid to call him on it nor refute any of the convenient figures tossed she gets slapped with
Fox at it's best. They get destroyed by, or just interrupt anyone who actually knows the figures.
>>55526048
And this is why we need trump to make the tax code unjewable.
>Bernie supporters think that just throwing more taxes at the rich will stop them from jewing their way out of them like always
>>55520357
People under 25 shouldn't be allowed to live.
>tfw this girl goes to my uni
>>55526303
Proof or you're a faggot
Cavuto makes a good point. If Bernie had his way and wanted to tax the "1%" like he really wanted to, what's to stop them from moving somewhere else? Then we tax the next "1%" that are bottom tier millionaires?
>>55520357
jesus she fucking answered with memes.
Neil blew her the fuck out.
>>55526387
I'm not going to post my school ID or anything that has a chance of linking me to this place.
She goes to NEU, my facebook is blowing up with people saying how they're ashamed to go to the same school as her. Although I've pretty much just filtered any bernie supporters I know so I'm sure she has some supporters here.
NEU was the same school that was featured on Watter's World. Sadly I missed getting a picture with him but I know some kids who ran into him. We're not completely overrun by moronic leftists, but they're definitely the most vocal here.
>>55520357
Let's see her facebook pics
>>55525904
why didn't they send someone who wouldn't make a complete fucking idiot of themselves on tv?
>>55526541
That's what they do.
In the debates every time Bernie was asked a question he kept answering with, "muh one percent." He had no arguments. That's why Hillary won.
i don't understand why people always play the "rich people will leave card"
have these people never heard of capital controls?
>>55526554
Here, I have enough mutual friends with her that I can easily find her on facebook.
>i want people who make more than me to pay 100% taxes
>i want an education so i can get a high paying job
How do these idiots exist with so much disonent logic? No wonder these people are perpetually angry and throwing tantrums.
If you're a leftist, you have gay marriage, gay adoption, dindu riots, 1st amendment infringement, 2nd amendment infringement, universal healthcare, open borders, an entire media on your side, affirmative action, war on Christians, and the list goes on but these people are only getting angrier and angrier.
The political left are acting like those spoiled children that throw tantrums in the supermarket and the mothers don't tell them to knock it off or slap them. It seems like these people are going off the rails and begging society to slap them and tell them once and for all sit down, shut up.
>>55526939
>the Interviewer is a capitalist tool if I ever seen one
My god. Do they know no bounds?
>>55525795
>This is what a college "education" gets you. I'm glad her lower-middle class and slipping backwards family became government dependents for that great opportunity for yet another government handout instead of getting her out of the poverty trap by using their own ingenuity instead
FTFY, from Keely's own background story, of which she's boastful.
>>55520357
>THERE'S A 1% IN GREECE!
yeah they earn 10 euro a week instead of 9
>>55526988
They're gonna get slapped hard after the elections.
>>55527016
She and her cronies got a 15 dollar minimum wage passed by the student body for school employees last year, and the school basically laughed at them because all of the school employees are through external companies. I'm talking about the fucking dining hall staff that sit there and swipe cards, or the janitors.
Her and her cronies even have a supporter in my fraternity, which is kinda sad to me.
They have a new big thing where they're trying to garner support for adjunct professors to have a union, but they've succeeded in actually pissing off the student body enough by blocking our T stop and placing signs/stickers everywhere that I think people just want them to fuck off now.
>>55520357
Bernie Sanders will give free lottery tickets to everyone!! Spread the word.
>>55527250
I hope this kind of sentiment is going nationwide. It needs to
>societal purge when?
>>55520357
>but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm but uhm
>>55527237
I can dream.
>>55527250
>Her and her cronies even have a supporter in my fraternity
It seems that the more society tries to stop bullying, the more liberal leftists pop up. I'm sure hazing would have fixed that frat guy.
>Anti-bullying campaigns were a mistake.
>>55520357
>Rich people abandoning America
>>55526626
It's not about being an idiot. No matter how smart you are you can not create money out of thin air to pay for all this. You could probably manage not to make this big of a fool of yourself but the bottom line is, even the 1% do not have enough money for everything those leftist shitheads want. There's no going around that.
>>55526939
By "stand steadfast" does she mean get totally btfo?
>>55527528
He was initiated in a class before me, nothing I could do.
>>55527565
Rich people abandoned France recently after their tax hikes, it's not inconceivable.
If we bailed out Wall St. With our tax dollars, it's time for them to bail us out for a change.
>>55526939
That's pretty funny. +10 for Neil constantly interrupting her to call her out on her dumb fairy tales. She probably masturbated furiously to the thought of an intelligent conservative male taking charge of her and putting her in her place.
>>55527812
>I'll take "Memes Bernie Sanders spouts" for 500
>>55527943
He literally just tweeted that
>>55527943
>>55528015
You can't refute it, though
>>55526685
>i don't understand why people always play the "rich people will leave card"
Because it's single strongest argument against creeping socialism, as to what it inspires.
>have these people never heard of capital controls?
Yes, most people are aware of severe socialist states and their habit of building fences to keep their populations locked inside, which is the natural outgrowth of your suggestion.
The thing is, folks who have much to lose are so much more ahead of the game than the average joe (who prefers to keep his head stuck in the sand, refusing to acknowledge any changing conditions around him) and won't be trapped by such measures.
>>55527812
>I want to increase the tendency to corruption rather than to lessen it
>>55528015
Thanks for reminding me I need to troll the fuck outta Bernie Sanders supporters
>>55520357
Somebody needs to slap an age-gate on that video because she got
MURDERED
U
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Thank GOD for FOX NEWS!
At least we KNOW their agenda!
>>55526939
>capitalist fool
I wonder why she's in university. So she can get her degree and work for a corporation that thrives on capitalism. Might as well just drop out and wait for your government assigned job
>>55520357
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
>>55528047
Refute what? Do you think you're entitled to someone else's money? Thank your big daddy Obama for giving them the bailouts in the first place
>>55528211
Mourinho's a shit manager lad Chelsea are doing shite.
>>55528324
>Caring about football
Kill yourself
>>55528296
Wall st. Felt entitled to mine so yes
>>55528324
You attending the relegation party bruv? Everyone's invited.
>>55520964
>did your parents not let you go trick or treating as a kid so now you don't want anyone to get handouts?
Do you forget who has to pay for the candy?
Nice attempt at b8, tho
>>55528474
You voted for the politicians who did that, I bet.
>>55520357
As much as I enjoy smashing idiocy in full view of all this is just ... unfair.
Why can't debates be between intellectuals anymore, I'm sick of this instant gratification of a medium minded person vs a person who is just an idiotic fledgling of an ideology.
>>55528469
>'''''''''man'''''''''
>hating sports
kek, no wonder portugal is so fucked.
>>55528499
Yeah lad, I'm hoping to see some late season nail biters against Chelsea's relegation rivals of bournemouthe and Villa
>people are actually this retarded
>people in the thread are actually defending this stupid shit
>>55520357
out of curiosity why are states universtys so expensive? My tuition is about $3500/semester, and that's consider high in canada.
>>55528677
>Footbal
>The ONLY SPORT IN THE FUCKING WORLD
No under you're a C/uck
No, seriously, kill yourself.
Typical Bernie voters ITT
https://twitter.com/rsccnyc/status/664869785000419328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
>>55525613
/fred
>>55521111
It also happened in France under Francois Mitterrand
>>55528653
According to the video she is a leader of her organization. She should know how to accomplish her goals.
>>55528784
>watches fucking handball and men's mud wrestling
>think's he's superior
Jesus christ, just let Spain take you and join an actual country, poortugal the most irrelevant country in europe.
>>55529046
>According to the video she is a leader of her organization. She should know how to accomplish her goals.
Her schooling was a waste I agree.
All this tells me is that Cavuto has to argue with someone who has no fucking clue what they're talking about. He would be the one getting BTFO otherwise. Typical right wing cowardice
>if the rich are taxed at 100% we will be moving towards socialism, and and will have a completely different social infrastructure
>she thinks this is a good thing
>she thinks this could possibly work
I loved when the newscaster brought up the fact that 100% of le ebil 1%s wealth couldn't even sustain one social program for three years
>i don't believe that
Great argument ya dumb bitch
>>55529050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnjQuDwRDMA
>Still thinks watching football is manly and superior
>>55520357
>education is the key to innovation
Good point. I'd let a portion of my salary get taxed to pay for schooling, but only if it went towards STEM and trades. You ain't getting a free ride to go practice your useless degrees.
>>55529189
>someone who has no fucking clue what they're talking about
>fifteenth time this has been argued ITT
Then he should have thought to have the first clue of what she was talking about when she became a national spokesman for her cause and political agenda.
>>55529268
What sports do you watch then lad? In Britain, if you don't watch the football with a pint, you're basically womanly rubbish, and you will be looked down on.
>>55524631
And you have a Doctorate in being a faggot, so I don't give a shit what you say nor do I take you seriously.
REKT
>>55525066
Being smart doesn't equate to knowing everything.
>>55525205
Yes. Math is filter for stupid.
>>55529660
Pls update
>>55528793
>>55522300
>Thinks you can just steal all the wealth from top 1% unironically.
>Thinks rich won't leave. Thinks the rich won't be welcome in just about any country worldwide.
>Doesn't know history of nationalization.
>>55526685
>i don't understand why people always play the "rich people will leave card"
>have these people never heard of capital controls?
Maybe because these people with such a large set of available resources are likely to utilize same resources to get around whatever barriers you put in place to prevent them from doing what you don't want?
Or that they might leave BEFORE you put those things in place because it takes time for them to be implemented?
Government has never moved faster than private enterprise.
>>55528793
>>55520964
>free
there's no such thing a a free lunch faggot
>>55529822
Read the post again. He's mocking the idea of taking all of the 1%'s money.
>>55529660
FUCKING REKT!
>>55520964
The only people who gave out candy chose to give it though
>>55529898
"danger zone" started playing as I tweeted this
>>55526685
Capital controls don't work on billionaires.
Her dad is a socialist too
>>55528047
>You can't refute it, though
Are college students a huge portion of our National GDP that would necessitate such an investment? And would that investment result in a return over time?
The answer is no.
And I wasn't even for the Bank Bailouts, so it's a shit comparison anyways. If you oppose one bailout, supporting another is hypocritical.
>>55529050
>complaining about our brownest greatest ally
What are you? Welsh or something?
Community college professor here.
Free tuition literally wouldn't change anything. At least half the students I teach pay NOTHING for tuition, but the cost of fees, books, and various costs still makes it very hard for these kids to stay in school. That's been one of the biggest issues in my administration since I started teaching, college fees have now surpassed tuition rates.
>>55528738
>out of curiosity why are states universtys so expensive?
1. Government guarantees student loans, makes them inescapable through bankruptcy.
2. Students apply for them in record numbers, even for degrees that will never provide enough income to pay same loans back, because high schoolers are fucking retarded now.
3. University administrations primarily staffed with women fell for the INFINITE APPRECIATION kool-aid before the sub-prime mortgage crash.
4. Put reverse mortgages on their existing assets to pay for facility investments.
5. Market goes belly-up and now most colleges are upside-down
6. Better bleed our students dry since they can't escape the resulting debt.
And so on
>>55520932
USA is the next Greece with that 110% of GDP debt in peace time lol.
>>55520357
>Voting for Comrade Sanders while Russia is building 100 megaton super cavitating nuclear torpedoes to destroy the Eastern seaboard.
Adds a whole new dimension to the slogan "Feel the Bern"
>>55528738
Higher gdp on average still private institutions are shit in US. Too expensive not sure why anyone would pay 3x the price as these 'top universities' just teach the same crap as state run ones.
>>55529268
Nobody can help Mudslimes all calling their kids muhammad. Seriously though isn't that inconvenient as fuck? Do they only use last names I mean if you're with 6 Muhammads in a room.
>>55530348
I always imagined it as burning money. Like Obama leaves 4 year Sanders debt to gdp ratio of usa 110%->140%
>>55530685
They go by nicknames.
>>55523972
further proof they don't think or reason
>hey libtard, want to come on a super conservative show?
>yes yes yes yes yes
wish it would of been a black person just to see everyone calling the dude racist
>>55520357
also can anyone look into her claims that her family is dirt poor?
>>55522300
>If you liquidate the wealth of the 1% everyone gets 150k
Yep and then after that for the rest of their existence they will have to contribute more in taxes to make up for the absence of taxes that the 1% no longer pay
While at the same time, Every single store, machine, property, and item for sale from a majority of big american businesses are no longer functioning.
Good luck only getting food from local farmers
Good luck getting gas from the ground
Good luck getting an upgrade on your technology without having to pay ridiculous import fees on shit made in China, whose prices will raise since they no longer have to undercut American manufacturers in order to sell
>>55524631
Yes and the girl he was destroying in an argument has a masters in economics from Wharton
>>55524631
>YEAH, I MEAN
>I MEAN
>YEAH
>YEAH
>I MEAN
>I MEAN, YEAH
>>55520357
GUYS
WHAT-WHAT IF
we took the money we spend baby-sitting idiot niggers and spics in grade school
and use it to pay for people's college?
>>55531454
STOP HAVING GOOD IDEAS THEY TRIGGER ME
>>55525066
I guess Obama isn't smart
>>55520357
Ahahaha Reddit fags are disappointed
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3sl6zx/neil_cavuto_confronts_student_pushing_for_free/
inb4 Reddit
Know thy enemy
>>55530057
>Her dad is a socialist too
Makes sense. She was bragging on her family sucking on the public teet.
>>55531864
He's also a professor. I doubt she has any idea what struggling is
>>55526412
Where exactly will they go? Greece? Denmark? Somalia? Eventually they're going to have to build a secret base on the moon to hoard their money.
>>55530286
>Free tuition literally wouldn't change anything
Don't lie. It would give college professors a nice temporary boost in salaries, what with their perpetual ability to plead "what about the childruns?"
>>55531975
They would go to the first country which realized an opportunity to take in the exodus, upon which they would quickly climb the ladder of economic powerhouses.
>>55531454
>GUYS
>WHAT-WHAT IF
>we took the money we spend baby-sitting idiot niggers and spics in grade school
>and use it to pay for people's college?
Let's do the math
Nigglets are less than 4% of the population.
College students are 3% of the population.
The K-12 cost per student is $122,000
13.2 million Nigglets x $122k = $1.6 Trillion
$1.6 Trillion / 12.2 million college students =
$132,000 per college student
The math checks out. By declaring nigglets as impossible to educate we can afford to put all current college students through 4-year degree programs provided they do not exceed $33,000 per year.
>>55531975
>>55532110
>upon which they would
upon which that country would quickly climb the ladder of economic powerhouses.
>>55522300
And...?
What would the poor do with 150k each?
95% of them would waste it in drugs, hookers and traveling.
The rest of the 5% would use it to get by, pay for college, invest, etc, and even most of those would end up being a waste anyway.
What's the fucking point? Meanwhile your gas industry is FUCKED, your energy industry is FUCKED, all the big banks are kind of FUCKED, biggest construction companies that work with the government to build roads and hospitals are FUCKED, and your whole country goes to hell.
>>55532110
>>55532249
So China?
>>55531975
Switzerland, Hong Kong, Luxembourg, Monaco, Bahamas
If he wins, you will pay for their college, Mr. Goldenberg.
Just like how when Trump wins, Pedro will pay for wall.
>>55526626
>>55527636
It's been mentioned before, but she is a lead organizer for Million Student March, a group that is for free college and mainly organizes walk outs
>On Thursday, students across the country will walk out of their classrooms and march for the right to a free college education. According to organizers, 110 college campuses across the country are expected to participate in the grassroots event.
>“Education should be free. The United States is the richest country in the world, yet students have to take on crippling debt in order to get a college education,” the organizers of Thursday’s event, dubbed the Million Student March, explain on their website. “We are united to fight for education as a human right.”
>The day of student activism comes just a few days after fast food workers in hundreds of cities held their biggest strike yet as they fight for higher wages and the right to form a union. The biggest marches are expected to be held in Santa Barbara, California, New York City, Philadelphia, Portland, and Seattle, according to Keely Mullen, one of the lead organizers of the event.
https://archive.is/QAfhU
>>55531975
>>55526412
Why not spend all their money?
Does the Left count property and material items when counting wealth?
>>55532582
That's like leaving Vegas for Biloxi
>>55530057
No wonder her family is on benefits and can't afford her college.
>>55532779
No, they're going to pack up all their mansions, cars, downtown apartments, and all those acres in Connecticut onto a boat bound for Bhutan.
>>55532142
>>55531454
What would even happen if suddenly the political climate shifted such that we could vote through race-realist candidates and amendments?
Mass exodus of blacks into Canada? Liberals in universities across the country killing themselves?
>>55532582
No, those are just temporary shelters. If the socialists were to ever succeed in chasing capital out of the United States, they would take up residency in Europe, which by that time would have turned from away from their mutual suicide pact.
>>55532463
You kid, but Taiwan (among others) got a nice little boost the last time things were looking shaky. A lot of money has left the US, actually, with corporations relocating their operations overseas, awaiting the end of the Obama administration's polices.
There is
1) An increasing population
2) Less jobs due to automation from new technology, outsourcing work overseas, and increasing capitalist methods of greed
Eventually these issues will increase until we're left with no choice between chaos and universal basic income. Universal basic income basically means everyone gets money just for being alive. It will bring in a completely new shift in the way people live.
You're living in the time period before this, and it might not change in your lifetime, but it's basically just a question of when it will happen. There just simply won't be enough jobs for everyone, there will be a sharp increase in welfare and government handouts as you know them today, and wealth inequality will rise to far more disgusting levels. It will basically keep happening until the system collapses from it's own weight, and the only solution is to Peter Pan the money from the small amount of people who own almost all the wealth.
>>55532279
>And...? What would the poor do with 150k each?
Quickly burn through it all, which was the anon's point (I surly hope). Such is no less than a recipe for the mass destruction of wealth.
>>55520357
So they want free college because they spend too much money on it, for a portion of their life. But are willing to have higher taxes for the rest of their life to get free college?
>>55533148
How is Switzerland a temporary shelter? It's one of the safest countries in terms of both, personal and monetary safety, has one of the lowest income tax rates, not in the EU so they don't have to adhere to a billion retarded regulations. It's the perfect place to live if you're rich
>>55533404
It'sObamacare all over again, they all wanted it, yet now none are buying because it costs too much
>>55531925
Art institute of Chicago is as bad as Devry and Phoenix university. What a laugh
>>55533003
>hehe there will be nowhere left to run
Dude, laugh it up, but the only thing about socialism that's truly inevitable is wealth destruction and human misery.
>>55533538
Because these hypothetical people will want to keep generating income. There's no room in Switzerland to build factories or storefronts, dig for resources, etc. All you can do there is sit on your bank account and see it divided among your heirs until its gone, and that's not who the folks under discussion are - no matter how much the left wants to depict them as such.
>If you tax the top 1% by 100%, that wouldn't be enough to fund medicare for 3 years
Can I have the study he was talking about?
>>55533280
>PO-PO-PO-POPULATION CONTROL
>>55532663
>“Education should be free
the fact that she says this proves she's an idiot who doesn't know anything about money
>"there will always be a 1%"
>>55533403
That was my point, yes. I won't be racist and point out what the poor niggers would spend it on. But the poor white would buy a $10k lot, $5k trailer home, $50k truck with another $30k in accessories, and spend the rest on beer and BBQ for their buddies. They'd be broke again in a month.
>>55533280
You mitigate that by removing your imported slave labor, bring as much manufacturing back as possible, and make the nation a tax haven.
>>55533844
Well, the 1% can be taxed for $1.5 trillion
>In 2011, Medicare spent a total of $549.1 billion on health care coverage for 48.7 million beneficiaries. This accounted for roughly 15 percent of the national budget and 21 percent of overall U.S. health care spending, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
http://www.medicarenewsgroup.com/news/medicare-faqs/individual-faq?faqId=bddee68a-7fef-4d85-bc4d-2cb8ea1c59db
>>55534334
*if the 1%
>>55530685
>i don't believe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Abdullah
>>55533280
>You're living in the time period before this, but it's basically just a question of when it will happen
>Universal basic income
>implying dialectics and Linear Progression Theories of Man
A far, far more likely future is a societal collapse due to unsustainable pressures and massive depopulation from the resulting chaos and wars caused by instability, after which another culture will rise to prominence.
This has happened before.
>>55533759
That's pretty much what I'm saying. There's not much point in fleeing the US unless for China. There's just no infrastructure to keep playng the game in all those popular tax havens. There wouldn't be anything to do with that money there. Even if they move with their accounts they're going to be tied to the major economies of the world. Europe is a no go because it's worse than the US already. China is the only possibility and nobody wants to be there for at least another decade.
Face it, even with ridiculous taxes they're still better off in the US.
>Idiots fail to realise the '1%' will just move to the UK, Australia or Singapore if they are forced to pay unreasonable taxes
>hurr there will always be rich people in murrica for us to abuse!
All the better for us I guess.
>>55525107
Then when confronted with the fact that they can and do:
>That is a real problem
What is she going to enslave them?
>>55524631
>Wants free college and higher education.
>Makes fun of people who have degrees and higher education.
>>55534988
>That's pretty much what I'm saying
Follow the conversation thread. I didn't say money would flee to tax havens; that was Poland. You'd be chasing away everyone with aspirations to create wealth if you went as severe as you suggest, along with the trust fund babies against whom you've been inexplicably propagandized. I said the money would go to Europe (as long as we're playing hypothetical, wealth can flow to South America for all I care), as it already has to a lesser degree while Obama plays regulator in chief, and to other countries with strong financial draws (such as Taiwan) which would much desire to have an investment boom. To add, this above is recent history, not even hypothetical, but would pale in comparison should your cause have its full head of steam.
Besides which, your hypothetical eventuality will not occur. To wit
>Europe is a no go because it's worse than the US already
In the spirit of your unrealistic hypothetical, I can only respond with my own, and proclaim Europe's socialist experiment at an end, spurred by a political change stemming from the late immigration crisis (it would end in any case, as socialist America could no longer afford to pay for Europe's defense).
Naked socialism has been entertained several times by this country, historically speaking, and its been rejected each and every time; the ebb this time around is already apparent through the behavior evidenced by the SJW freeks and this insipid Mullen moron, who excel at turning people away from the core message they want advanced.
>>55534169
>You mitigate that by removing your imported slave labor
>remove
But removing is bad and raycis.
>>55525239
And what is wrong with a website hosting a video from a separate company?
>>55535643
>What is she going to enslave them?
see 8:58. Yes.
>>55529268
I wonder why the Muslims are more creative with naming their daughters?
>>55520964
No, I actually enjoy working for a living. Fuck me right?
I wish I would live like you, anon. A basement dwelling parasite who leaches off of your parents.
Thats the dream, right?
>>55520357
>>55520357
Completely biased interview. Yes, he completely outclassed her rhetorically but he only used that to push his point of view rather than seeking truth.
>>100% tax rate on the 1% wouldn't fund medicare for three years
>>I don't believe that.
And rightly fucking so.
Luckily I'm not stuck on camera so I could actually fact check this shit.
>>There are more than 3 million people in the 1%
>>Their average income is about $800,000.
That works out to a total of over 2.4 trillion.
Medicare costs less than 600 billion/year so ... yeah .. he's full of bullshit.
Then
>>If the 1% are paying around 50% of their income in tax and that's not enough, would you like them to pay 90%
>.I-I guess
No you fucking bitch. When you're arguing with someone you DO NOT let them choose the issue. This is rhetoric 101.
Saying you want the 1% to pay 90% tax makes you look economically retarded and ideologically communist - no one in America will listen to you after that.
The top marginal tax rate is around 40% but the issue is that most of the rich pay FAR FAR less than that. IIRC the average income tax paid by the 0.1% is 20% thanks to deductions and loop holes. If you focused on that as the issue you might have been able to get some people on side.
>>Comparing Greece and US
Why did you let that slide? Greece and the US are nothing alike.
Reframe the question by point at, say, Switzerland which has universal healthcare and universities costs of around $500-1000/year at universities which compete with MIT and Cambridge. They do this while managing to have one of the most stable economies in the world. You could also have pointed to Germany or Scandinavia pre-migrants.
Christ she's a bad spokesman.
>>55536393
Never go full retard anon.
I'm just poking holes in the cliche
>all the rich people will leave if (insert tax here)
Real wealth isn't going anywhere without a massive economy to support it. It would take decades of destabilization via socialist boogeyman to generate the enmasse flight nevermind the time between now and the eventual formation of a powerful economy to shadow the US.
Like I said above, it would be like fleeing Vegas to play slots in Biloxi.
>>55520964
ayy lmao nice troll
>>55524592
so does that mean 8 out of 10 for the 8 replies he's gotten so far?
>>55537724
>>Comparing Greece and US
>Why did you let that slide? Greece and the US are nothing alike.
Funny how it's not okay to compare the US to a European country, unless it's about universal healthcare and gun laws
Also, Germany and Switzerland are 90%+ white
>>55522300
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch16s15.html
>>55530334
America can always print more money. No country's going to bash the USD because we all have coffers filled with the stuff which we use to trade.
>>55538551
>Germany
>90%+ white
not for long m8
>>55525317
You see, the wealthy keep all of their money in large vaults for swimming in so as to lose wealth against inflation instead of investing it in profitable ventures which create jobs. Allow me to provide you with a video evidence of this phenomenon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ieii1qGXETo#t=20s
>>55537724
>implement 100% tax rate
>that's a zero return on labor
>that's a zero incentive to work
>implying three years of average income when not a single soul who has ever been born into this world or any other will work for free - unless there is a gun pointed directly at his temple
Someone is full of bullshit, Straya.
>makes you look economically retarded and ideologically communist
>look
How much more evident a communist should she appear before you'd acknowledge the communist right in front of you? Does she actually need to put on a fake Castro beard to go along with her Mao outfit?
But I see you've answered this already...
>When you're arguing with someone you DO NOT let them choose the issue. This is rhetoric 101.
>MOVE! DON'T ANSWER A QUESTION! SLIDE!
>Why did you let that slide? Reframe the question
>DODGE! WEAVE! RHETORIC! INTRODUCE FALSE EQUIVALENCIES! DON'T ENGAGE ON IN HONEST DEBATE! AVOID THE ARGUMENT!
How honest.
>>55537836
>Never go full retard anon.
Says the socialist.
>>55538941
When its universal healthcare was working it was 90%+ white
>>55539170
>I'm 12 and I think everyone who challenges my childish overused misinformed catchphrase is my enemy
Fucking tard.
>>55521111
>not making it illegal to do so
>>55538730
>America can always print more money
Oh, ffs. Having had QE infinity in place for three years already is not enough to have proved this 'solution' 100% wrong?
>No country's going to bash the USD because we all have coffers filled with the stuff which we use to trade.
Meanwhile, in the real world, guess which country just this Monday signed on with China to trade bilaterally in the Yuan and their national currency, avoiding the dollar altogether?
>>55539862
Isn't it technically illegal, indirectly. I'm sure there is a tax and if they don't report it, tax evasion is likely
>>55520357
>increase the minimum wage
-Causes Americans to spend more and contribute more to the economy or the companies product more
>Decrease Corporate taxes to balance the hike in wages
-Some jobs will still be sent to overseas which will increase competition in those countries. Henceforth increasing benefits there, while bleeding jobs back here because of so much competition there
>Decrease spending on the military and legalize marijuana
-legit increase billions on tax surplus to update education and infrastructure
is this so hard to do people?
>>55520964
Retardation?
>>55539170
>>DON'T ENGAGE ON IN HONEST DEBATE! AVOID THE ARGUMENT! How honest.
Mr Fox News was the one acting like the Greek and US economies are comparable, and the one flat our lying about Medicare funding.
Oh and I think you misunderstood my comments on the 100% tax rate. The news anchor said that taxing the 1% at 100% would not be able to fund Medicare for 3 years purely in terms of monetary value. I was simply showing that, actually, 1 year of income from the top 1% can fund medicare for 4 years. So your 'oh so honest' news anchor was actually blatantly lying.
Obviously a 100% tax rate is retarded but that's not the point the news anchor or the girl was arguing.
>>55538551
>>55538941
>>55539476
And that's why I said pre-migrants.
>>55537724
We know the top 1% account for 24% of all federal revenue collected in 2015. The federal government collected $3.5t in 2015, making their combined federal burden about $840b. The data I find on state and local taxes is presented slightly differently and requires different math. On average, they pay a total of approximately 5.4% of their income in state and local taxes combined. This means we can take the number of people in the top 1%, multiply by average income, multiply by effective tax rate, and get their combined burden. There is a serious mistake you make in your assumption, however. You assume the top 1% is 3m people. There are not 300m people in the workforce. The top 1% is the top 1% of income earners. Given a total labor force of 160m, this means 1.6m income earners are the top 1% and their combined state and local burden is about $70b. This gives a total existing tax burden of $910b. And how much income did they actually earn? $800k*1.6m = $1.28t.
This leaves a gap of $370b in remaining income to tax for programs which is not already taxed. Good luck.
>>55533404
In their own world they're not the ones who are ever footing the bill, it's always muh one percent
>>55520357
Imagine if parents didn't pay $600 to $1,900 each year just to send their children to grade school. Oh wait, they fucking don't. You do realize government paid college tuition would vastly improve our majorly fucked up economy, right?
>>55540739
There are taxes that cover K-12. That isn't paid by itself.
And people want government paid universities while complaining about K-12 schools
idk /pol/, did anyone else notice that they cut her off right at the end? - You wonder why?
Neil was making her look dumb, sure, but why do these big loan companies NEED to be paid back? I mean, fuck, they took the risk when giving out shitty loans, if they can't be paid and enough people go to the streets and say Fuck You we ain't paying, then what? why should an entire generation be indebted to these fraudsters?
oh I almost forgot this...
>what a dumb cunt
>they cut her off so noone would get any funny ideas.
>>55533280
This.
Capitalism is too efficient for it's own good. It will either end in a utopia or the corporate dystopia you see in those cyberpunk movies.
>>55541030
>There are taxes that cover K-12. That isn't paid by itself.
My point exactly.
>And people want government paid universities while complaining about K-12 schools
Not the same people.
>>55541117
so basically fuck contracts?
do you think consent exists?
>>55540739
not everyone belongs in college or is capable of it
tax payer paying for more free shit isn't a magic fix everything button
and stop thinking the government pays anything. it pays nothing. the fucking TAX PAYER PAYS FOR EVERYTHING YOU NEET C UCK
>>55522300
>those with the money leave
>now you must fill that void with the money of those below them
>congrats you are Germany after World War 1 or Greece as of late
:^)
>>55533280
OR instead we push to increase study into new fields of tech and get our asses into space onthemotherfuckingDETH STAR!!
>>55541245
yes, sometimes fuck contracts. these loan agencies new they were gambling. They come up with some shitty interest rate for some dumb 18yo thinking they will have to pay it for the next 20 years. If a vast majority of the people chose not to pay it, tough luck, your investment didn't pay off. Swindle elsewhere.
>>55522300
Better yet, all of the money from the 1% converted to cash might run the government from Jan to April. What then?
>>55540739
Government education spending (K-12 and university grants) accounts for $950.8b in the US combined (federal, state, and local), of which $119b came from the federal government. According to the National Center for Education Statistics, total college spending for fiscal year 2012-2013 was approximately $500b with enrollment numbers around 20m students. If tuition were free to everyone, we could expected total enrollment and thus total cost to increase further. Let me know how you intend to either 1. Pay for this or 2. Reduce costs and then pay for it. Note, reducing costs means cutting professor salaries and increasing the number of classes they teach and students per class. Expect protests, walkouts, and strikes from both professors and student activists if attempted.
>>55524911
Not to mention most of their worth is on paper. If this was enacted the economy would shit itself and this net worth would drop by at least 50% overnight.
>>55541180
Our education system is retarded. It's bath-tub shaped when it should be a straight line.
We fund the components that matter the most (pre-K when the child's brain is developing at the most rapid rate and forming foundational learning skills and secondary education which is a prerequisite for higher-than-poverty incomes) the least, but somehow believe the middle-part alone is worth paying for.
It's a large and irreconcilable disconnect.
>>55541117
>why should an entire generation be indebted to these fraudsters?
They don't have to be by not participating in the system.
I think we can all agree that higher education is a fucking joke right now. If the next generation overwhelmingly opted out of going to big name universities and got educations in trade schools you'd practically see a new middle class born over night.
The problem is people thinking their social sciences and gender/identity politics majors mean something. They are still holding onto that lie of "if I get a degree there will be a job waiting for me".
The dynamic of the current economy has changed but the old way of thinking hasn't.
>>55522300
And watch as the value of the dollar plummets because you don't understand that prices are based off of the percentage that people can pay. If everyone just gets 150k expect prices to adjust accordingly.
>>55520357
>there would be enough taxes as much as it cost to bail out the banks
All under Obama who even says it was needed.
Are they actually condemning Obama's actions?
>>55541841
That's a nice arbitrary graph someone pulled out of their ass. The first 5-6 years are definitely the most important for a human and parents should make a serious effort to teach their children basic things during those years. The education of a toddler should be hands on, one on one. Only a parent can provide that level of service.
If college truly has any value above K-12, it is a result of the quality of education offered and has nothing to do with human development.
To a certain degree, it isn't. The great thinkers of of today and the past were individuals in innovations, not part of the collective that is churned through the education system.
>>55541117
>why should an entire generation be indebted to these fraudsters?
As if they won't be worse of elsewhere
If they buy a house, they're in debt for 30 years or risk foreclosure
The average student loans are basically car loans, but they're not even paying the minimum
>what's the point of a tax return? why doesn't the government just take less so we don't have to go through all that shit every year for a refund?
>>55520357
>be college
>think I'm smart
>MUH 1% ownz eberytang
>doesn't know what wealth is
>thinks you can tax the value of assets at 90% every year
Why do we listen to 19 year olds AT ALL?
>>55541996
The large bank bailout was under Bush, but Obama voted for it. Note this vote was in 2008.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00213
Also note that despite the up-front cost was about $700b, approximately $500b of that was paid back because they were loans. Only the money given to Fannie Mae (government institution), Freddie Mac (government institution), and AIG will never be paid back.
The stimulus of 2009 is what occurred under Obama and a form of spending which is not paid back. That act is also what increased baseline government spending (year to year) dramatically, not the bailout. The bailout was a one-time loan program which increased the deficit by $700b for a single year and was mostly paid for in the form of banks returning the money over time. The bailout has nothing to do with the size of the deficit in 2010 and onward.
>>55542452
What's scarier, they can vote
Though it's good they only come out during Presidential elections. Right now there isn't some token politician running that will get the youth out to vote
>>55520357
Does nobody realize we can literally print money?
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/economy/the-true-cost-of-the-bank-bailout/3309/
12.9 TRILLION dollars was spent propping up the economy and we can't spare $1 trillion to pay for colleges?
One trillion dollars would pay for the 17 million students in the US http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98
$58,000 to attend college and we spent 12 times that just to prop up banks.
Waaaaah waaaaaaaah where we gonna get money to pay for this?
You republicans live in fairy land.
>>55538956
>the wealthy keep all of their money in large vaults for swimming in so as to lose wealth against inflation.
lol speaking of inflation.....
Duck Tales Inflation Lesson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_LWQQrpSc4
also, I feel this is needed
Family Guy - Dive Into Gold Coins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDL2W0HcJw
>>55542452
Because they were guaranteed the franchise in 1971. Whether or not they can use it responsibly is a different issue.
>>55524631
I wonder what her major is in?
>>55542458
There is also the fact that the deep recession during that time increased the use of economic stabilizers (food stamps, unemployment insurance, etc.) as large portions of the population became eligible for their use and had to rely on them which increased mandatory spending while at the same time tax revenues took a giant hit as the economy shrank which widened the deficit all on it's own.
>>55542384
I've curently only had student jobs at my University, so i've never had to file taxes, but why doesn't it work like this? So people too lazy to file tax returns don't get their money and the government keeps it? Am I missing something glaringly obvious?
>>55542543
What do you mean?
>>55541326
The IRS works for the IMF. The bulk of your taxes go straight to the queen of England, Meanwhile your city/state taxes pay for the rest.
>>55542835
The 26th Amendment.
>>55542646
There was a combination of decreasing incomes for low-middle income earners and an expansion of the benefit program qualifications themselves. Most notably, the extension of unemployment benefits to 99 weeks, increases in SNAP eligibility, and increased SSDI use (or abuse) by people claiming to be mentally ill. There was also a short term drop in the payroll tax rate, which caused a large drop in revenue for Social Security and Medicare.
>>55542835
The 26th amendment. That's when the voting age went from usually being 21 to guaranteed at 18.
>>55542970
>>55543012
Ahhh. Yeah. Didn't someone kind of important suggest a voting age of 30 the other day?
>>55541326
>the fucking TAX PAYER PAYS FOR EVERYTHING YOU NEET C UCK
Actually believing this bullshit lie. Damn shame you're so fucking stupid. You think shit is that transparent? Your government plays the stock market, insider trading with money they ordered the fed to print up. Your city/state taxes keep up your community and the rest goes to the queen of England. Pay your fair share serfs! Also, you don't own your own property. Your house deeds list you as tenants, not owners and your government takes your property from you if you don't pay an extortion tax every year.
