Why does everyone assume Bernie's promises are going to lead to a massive tax hikes?
Wouldn't it make more sense to cut back on the US' needlessly massive military budget?
>>55379063
>needlessly massive
You can never spend too much on your military.
Not that you would know seeing as you're basically french.
>>55379063
>Why does everyone assume Bernie's promises are going to lead to a massive tax hikes?
Because Bernie said it himself.
>>55379112
>You can never spend too much on your military.
but that's objectively false.
>>55379112
I suppose if half the world is ready to blow you up the first chance they get you need to spend as much money as you can to make sure that never happens
>>55379063
We are the World Police. The meme is real. We have stations everywhere. Not trying to stroke my dick I'm being real. We defend the West because Europe basically has no military, thanks to WII and all the treaties signed. It was on purpose so if Europe ever steps out of line again, we'll pull out and leave Europe exposed. Not that that has helped the invasion at all...
Actually a decent question! Well his healtchare plan, social welfare programs, and free schooling will accrue massive debt. The U.S. govt is here to mainly protect us and not much more. That is is that state level. So we need a big military esp in today's environment. So Bernie's platform literally is a euro socialism that won't work here.
>>55379148
Do you make $250,000 or more a year? Nah, didn't think so. Your taxes will stay the same.
>>55379063
The US military is basically a huge welfare pond for the losers of the American society. Those people wouldn't get jobs if they weren't in military.
>>55379063
>>55379063
A lot of American jobs depend on our military budget. Cutting spending is not always the correct path, we need to increase revenue and that means creating more work.
There are jobs to be done, revenue to be collected, and people to be put to work.
>>55379148
>>55379282
Why are people claiming the that taxing the rich more isn't effective? Is there something else at play that I'm not realizing?
Says Germany, the country that manages to get invaded by unarmed immigrants
>>55379282
You actually believe his rhetoric don't you?
>>55379409
I might be for it if he talked about rasing capital gains, but all he spews is income tax bullshit that has so many holes it makes swiss cheese blush.
>>55379409
Because they'll all fuck off to another country with lower tax rates.
>>55379181
Defend Europe from what? If it's from the muzzies, you don' fucked up. I don't really want to cut back on our military much, myself. That's a lot of R+D that'll eventually work its way to the civilian sector.
Of course, if we stop smacking the hornet's nest, we can probably run down some contracting, but that might fuck up our specializations.
>>55379497
>if we stop smacking the hornet's nest
That will never happen until the Dollar is backed by something other than oil. We're tied to the middle east.
So what would be a better way to tackle this then what Bernie proposes?
College/University tuition is just straight up too high, is there a better way to offset it or should we just be like "lol sorry about your luck, have fun spending 20 years paying off your debt"
>>55379494
No, they won't.
Money that is allocated for the military cannot be used elsewhere. If the US did cut back on military spending, then that money would just sit in an account and wouldn't be used on Bernie's ridiculous ideas.
>>55379490
if he clearly states he plans on taxing the top earners more and not across the board, how is that 'rhetoric'?
his whole platform is to strengthen the middle class. why would he run on a platform of increasing taxes for the same people?
i don't think you actually know what 'rhetoric' means, but that's cute that you tried :^)
>>55379490
>I might be for it if he talked about rasing capital gains
he has explicitly stated numerous times that he wants to tax capital gains. it is one of the cornerstones of his campaign.
>>55379063
massive tax hikes for the ones rich enough to own multiple homes and 50 cars, you mean. They can afford it. Snoop Dogg can stand to stop smoking marijuana to help this country.
>>55379063
The US spends roughly 5% of the GDP on military.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Tax_Reform.htm
>>55379063
>>55379552
Quit giving out student loans in the first place. Colleges themselves will drastically lower their tuition out of fear of the speculated plummeting entrance rates.
>>55379497
From everyone and everything. We ARE Europe's military.
>>55379063
The American Military's demand for goods and equipment generates and maintains jobs, short and simple. That and there's a cost to having force-projection. Not that you'd know what that is, being Canadian n'all.
>>55379624
For some reason I highly doubt any top earner will have to cut back much if Bernies plans go through.
These people make way more money than they could ever hope to spend. They won't have to stop doing anything
>>55379552
You know they give full-ride scholarships if you get good enough grades right?
>b-b-but I just want to drink and party! Muh college experience!
>>55379063
Because Canada will stop iran and Isis.
>>55379730
>the military industrial complex is a good thing
>>55379554
Hans, what are you doing on 4chan? Don't you have a refugee to cater for?
>>55379063
>Why does everyone assume Bernie's promises are going to lead to a massive tax hikes?
Well for one, because he said it would
>>55379767
>posts on /pol/
>obviously poor family
>getting good grades
Why even bother posting?
>>55379730
That money could also be used to produce other goods that don't blow up in thin air. Roads in the US for example.
>>55379767
But the people who get those grades good enough for those programs are few and far between.
>>55379409
Because it's almost always a bad idea and results in a weak economy.
>>55379554
The french recently tried it and their rich fled to the uk.
Take a look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-8spGrLrUM
>>55379740
and yet they're bitching about Bernie's tax plan anyway.
Right, because these are the same wealthy fucks that bitch endlessly about the so-called "losses" they incur from MP3 downloading and movie piracy. Fuck em.
>>55379740
>For some reason I highly doubt any top earner will have to cut back much if Bernies plans go through.
You're right, they'll just hide their income elsewhere.
Luckily for the rest of us, these government programs will either go bankrupt quickly or the middle and lower classes will foot the bill. Maybe people will get pissed off enough to end this shitshow then.
>>55379872
Getting good grades is piss-easy if you work at it.
>>55379780
I bet you're the type who enjoys slow decline.
>>55379833
A fair point, considering the state of our interstate system and just other road systems.
One has to wonder how they could feasibly keep up.
>>55379063
>needlessly massive military budget
Why is "needless" marplefag?
>>55379624
They actually can't. They're outnumbered 1000 to 1 and can't afford it.
>>55379959
I've been getting "good grades" (85% average) for my whole life and I never got a single scholarship, senpai.
I tried my darndest too. Scholarships only get handed out to the best of the best
>>55379798
Germany is so rich we could finance millions of refugees and no one would notice. Contrary to britbongs my country is still relevant in the world.
>>55379780
Most women are liberal.
>>55380064
>>55379965
are you in high school? serious question.
>>55380064
>Germany is so rich we could finance millions of refugees and no one would notice.
You're clearly retarded.
>>55380009
Snoop Dogg could give up half his fortune and not suffer one bit.
Mind you, this is a weed smoker that hasn't given a dime to help the ghettos and cried like a massive cunt because his recent "life changing" reggae album sold poorly.
I'm not surprised Snoop is one of Trump's best friends- shitheads like shitheads.
>>55379632
GDP. If you take every dollar earned by everyone in any capacity, and every product and effor of work, and throw it into a big pile,
That's GDP.
Military is About 15% of the total budget, including the mandatory savings system called social security.
It's exactly 53.73% of the discretionary budget. That's things we can actually choose where the money goes.
No one who doesn't understand the basics of the USA's financial situation should be allowed anywhere near the white house and they should really think twice about who they're voting for.
>>55379624
Who are you to tell him to pay more and to decide that he can afford it?
>>55379063
>failing to understand the role of the US military in the contemporary world security and economic order
>>55379573
>un-ironically supporting the guy who submits to women
>a huge portion of the military budget is socializing education through academies and ROTC, medical care for active duty and veterans, and other stuff
>let's cut that to socialize the same stuff for people who don't earn it
>>55380154
That wouldn't be enough to sustain thousands of people and it would destroy investment for other people. Wealth distribution has been an incredibly horrible idea every time it's been tried.
>>55380211
>US military in the contemporary world security
>US military in the contemporary world security
xdd
>>55380128
A bit late there, m8.
>>55380186
>implying you understand it
>>55380222
Bernie submits to everyone now. He's been drinking the sjw koolaid.
>>55379161
Get out of my country you kook faggot.
Another question, how can health care be handled better in the country.
I've always found Canada's health-care system to be nice and convenient, even tough our tax systems are quite annoying.
Obviously being that hospitals are independently owned in the states that system wouldn't work for you guys, however considering that health insurance companies are actively search for ways to fuck you over and most people can't afford to fork out $100k for a surgery obviously something needs to be done
>>55380250
and letting it sit in some rich guy's wallet or letting him piss it away on luxury goods does help? NO.
Jamiroquai's lead singer owns more cars than most people own pairs of socks. Billy Joel has a massive museum of motorcycles.I have a hard time believing their wealth is a benefit to anyone other than their hedonism.
Then these rich fucks cry because of MP3s. I think we should start executing any rich asshole that whines that they're not making even more. Star with the members of Metallica, their music sucks anyway.
>>55379624
>massive tax hikes for the ones rich enough to own multiple homes and 50 cars
Thats a fallacy which name doesn't come to my mind. But as far as it goes, when people say "taxes are bad for rich people" they don't say that they will left them poor or something. They are talking about the fact that people with money, has money because knows how to administer it or the people around him does that for him in efficently, and you don't become rich by wasting. If you can relocate your capitals to save your position from being overrun by other rich people they will do it without a doubt. Take into account that when these guys lose some money they don't really realice about it since they live in constant risk of doing so, but as soon as other asshole wants to occupy their part of the economical hierarchy they can directly loose everything.
And of curse have in mind, if you're thinking about a CEO/commercial and such, they don't have an income by itself, so when you tax them you tax the owner and the industrial complex sustaining that owner that actually supports middle/low class families and will be the first to be left unemployed to save costs.
>>55379409
Because the laffer curve is demonstrated reality
>>55380424
Like you'd know how much luxury goods cost.
Who gives you your money, anyhow?
If Americans voted for this guy, they would have a much better country in 10 years. With a smaller income gap and less poverty. Also more money between each individuals hands. More financial help for poor people > more people are able to work > higher GNP > More export > Larger wages(A 10% increase in wages and a 5% increase in taxes means you earn more dumb amerifags) > More money for each individual > America can finally pay debt > Everyone wins
>>55379063
Because he said he was going to raise my taxes by 6.8% to 8.8%
>>55379063
> Wouldn't it make more sense to cut back on
> the US' needlessly massive military budget?
Yes, but will he or can he do that? Remember candidates say one thing and then they get in office. I prefer Bernie but I keep having 2nd thoughts. What about immigrants? Are we gonna end up like Europe?
>>55380676
Coming from a country whose average personal debt is 3 times the average American's.
>>55379612
Short term capital gains are already taxed at 40% you stupid motherfucker. We have one of the highest capital gains taxes in the world. If he wanted to model us like Scandinavian countries he would be slashing the capital gains tax.
>>55379282
>>55379573
>>55379919
Wrong. Bernie is increasing taxes on EVERYONE.
He admits in the video below he can't pay for it all without raising the payroll tax, which will hit all of us.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ktZcrFne3CE
>>55380676
>More financial help for poor people > more people are able to work
Explain this bit for me pls
>>55380741
That's because bankx allow loans easier, a thing your country tried to do, but ended up fucking up world econnomy. I meant national debt.
And also coming from a country with around 50% taxes though higher economical freedom than USA
>>55379409
Rich people dont stay in countries that tax all of their money. The rich peoples money bernie wants to use to pay for everything will disappear to other countries and in under a year we'll be left with only ourselves to pay for free college, free healthcare, free this, free that, free everything. Open the borders and give everybody a free govt mandated college degree and there you have it, the most difficult job market to ever exist in history due to rampant competition that is unhealthy for a nation with fewer skilled workers than unskilled.
Bernies entire campaign is a lie that will turn all of america into Detroit. Fuck i dont even know how you libtards arent getting this yet you are literally begging for the hardest life you could possibly dream up in a nightmare and calling it progress.
>>55380860
Idk what it's called in english, but the "social heritage". If your parents are poor, you will be too.
>>55380676
Also, financial help doesn't help people it teaches them they can do nothing and someone will pay for them. They need to learn to provide on thier own and be supporting members of society. If anything free, give free blue collar job training, which america already does, if you actually communicate your problems to your government and not sit around and pout.
>>55380424
How may people works on concerts? How may people buy alcohol and food for such concerts? How many people live by promoting and selling an artist song?
This vision, were "the only important job is the one were you have to break your back" is one that I heard a lot from anarchists in Spain, degrading any form of organizational/HR/intelectual labor and denying that the money you make will never correspond to the ammount of effort/risk you took... and the funny thing is that they always look at the brightests simbols with the biggest fortunes, but they never analyze how they came there, what they sacrificed and how they keep themselves in that position
Are you one of those fags?
>>55380962
And giving them handouts will make them less poor?
>>55379282
>>55379409
reddit economics at its absolute finest
>>55379386
And how do you increase revenue on a country with lowering demographics? Immigration. ups
>>55379494
And leave the most desired market in the world by far? I don't think so
>>55380741
Denmark has a current account surplus for the last 25 years making it and its citizens a net creditor in the world.
>>55381175
More desired until you tax them so hard it's no longer desirable, poortugal.
>>55381109
>And how do you increase revenue on a country with lowering demographics?
Or you can be not retarded, and instead of letting in a lot of white collar workers to overload a market that don't need them and will probably only increase unemployment and decrease income for the rest... you can reduce taxes and regulations on industry, lower the market barriers for the rest and desubsidize the stagnants sectors of society that will flee to these new markets.
>>55380891
You top us in economic freedom by literally .01 bro.
National debt is irrevelent comparably because our revenues are 14 times your country.
Also social heritage is a farce. Everyone has the chance to make or lose money in our economy. It depends on the choices you make as a person.
>>55379694
>americans unironically believing this
Europe as free, or very cheap one, college education, and we are doing fine
>muh best universities in the world
Of course, when you milk the students that shamelessly, you can attract the best teachers
>>55379730
>If the government spends 90% of its budget on candy, it generates and maintain jobs
>>55379063
when its a kike, expect the hike
>>55381229
It's actually 18th account surplus.
>>55381433
>everyone can be a millionaire
lol
>>55379767
>Comes from shit family
>Can't afford books and what not
>Can't get good grades because he has to work to feed himself from early age
>a upper-middle class neet tells him he should have studied harder to get a scolarship that was given to minorities.
Why do you guys hate so much your fellow countrymen? Whats good for your neighboor, generally is good for you also. You speak about pride in oneself country and then spit on your poor countrymen
>>55381475
Europe has a lot of intelligent, capable, sensible white males though. And a multinational conglomerate deal where a more prosperous country will bail out a failing one. America is a capitalist nation with no major allies and a lot of niggers. What works for Europe simply won't work for the States.
>>55381679
It's true. Becoming a millionaire is easy nowadays. All you need is one Roth IRA and to make a few thousand in contributions each year. You'll have a couple million when you retire.
If you don't buy useless shit, max out your Roth and you have a 401k you'll be a millionaire by 40 no problem.
>>55381679
>anyone*
Not everyone wants to be a millionaire or has the personal aspiration to become a millionaire.
>>55380250
No it's not, it's the best thing that happened to our countries.
>>55381771
He should have studies harder. There are free schools, free libraries with free internet, literally tons of opportunity to learn and improve, but, if you do not make the choice to put yourself in a better position you will not move to a better position.
>>55381256
No way, America has the largest middle class, and the one with the most buying power. American market is more desirable for a company, than 100 Portugal. No way a company would leave USA. They could tranfer their mean of production to outside, or hire cheap labour to diminish costs, oh wait...
>>55381996
This would be an appropriate time to post that infographic portraying the average public school teacher's commitment to enriching their students' minds beyond the scope of standardized tests, but I can't seem to find it.
>>55381358
>Reduce regulations
when will libertarians die?
>reduce taxes
in a country with a huge deficit, reducing taxes is good?
>lower market barriers
wat?
>desubsidize the stagnants sectors of society
i agree with you
>>55381010
it will let them have a chance to take an education. Here on the other hand, you get payed to take an education. The extra taxmoney could also help you fucked up education system or your fucked up healthcare system
>>55381771
Tbh I gotta agree with >>55381996 here
Yes some people are dealt a shit hand. However you have to make the effort to overcome that.
I had a friend in that exact situation. He would go to school, get 2 hours at home to do homework, then go off to work nights somewhere. Every day he would get like 3 hours of sleep, except Saturday nights where he actually got to sleep in (he would usually sleep for like 18-20 hours those days). I could maybe see him for like 2 hours every month if I was lucky.
For 10 years his life was nothing more than school, work, sleep. Ask him about it, he said it was hell, but he knew it's what he had to do.
I refuse to believe that anyone in the US can be born into a situation where there's NOTHING they can do to turn their life around. I know it sucks, and I know it isn't fair that some one should have to go through that in order to get a proper education. But you know what, lifes not fucking fair and you just have to deal with it
>>55379063
Tax kike for tax hikes.
>>55379063
I support cutting the military budget, but that is not nearly enough to pay for the sorts of things he is calling for.
>>55380992
Then tell me why Denmark functions a lot god damn better than USA? Free education, free healthcare, no poverty whatsoever, best place in the world to run a business, 3rd happiest country in the world(former no.1). Open boarders, acceptance towards LGBT community, low crimerates etc.?
>>55381475
You don't understand european union. Not even a clue.
The european union has a clause that says that if a country "gets in trouble", it cannot be bailed out by the more prosperous ones in the union. This clause is what sparked the european crisis, because the investors that were screwing up with the national debt of Greece, Portugal... always thought, and were reassured by our governments, that when necessity arises, the German economy would bail us out. But after the american crash, the investors dug more deeply in European economies, they found out about Greece, and then the rest followed up.
But on your point, what you are saying is shit. What works on Europe CAN work on europe. Why wouldn't? Europeans countries are capitalistic also. You have niggers on your country, but still you have a GDP per capita way larger than almost all of european countries! You guys have no idea how rich America is.
>>55382308
You think they'd take that chance though? Right now it's easy enough to get $700 a month from the government, pay super cheap rent in a house in the projects and spend the rest of your cash on needle dope. Also our education system is fucked up not because of funding but because of lazy teachers with tenure and standardization that panders to the lowest common denominator whilst crippling any chance of competition with countries with fewer blacks.
>>55382233
Either way, if you realise that your teacher isn't doing thier job it's your choice and freedom to talk to your teachers supervisor or get extra help from other external learning sources, that just about every school has.
>>55381839
This is for you
>>55382654
>>55382673
My point is, Bernie Sanders is heading towards a much brighter future than the republican jews. USA needs new materials rather than glue to put the old ones together
>>55382838
What fucking old ones are you talking about? The days where everyone worked and worked hard and nobody had to give a fuck what the minimum wage was?
>>55382771
>>55382383
But you guys forget that the common people is lazy. Yes, there is people that will make it, no matter their start, but those are really few. Education should be made to the common people.
>>55382245
>when will libertarians die?
When people won't need to check the law every single time they want to do something important with their life or sanctionel robbery or taxes stops being a thing.
>in a country with a huge deficit, reducing taxes is good?
Taxes are not a good thing, at best they're called a "lesser evil" and they're a big deterrent for any individual to get into an economical activity. As an example of this? Where bussiness tend to go? To the most taxed and regulated sectors? Or the less? Even when the market discourages certain labours, the individual can always take a risk on it, speculate that the markets will go down soon or that if the tries hard enough he can make it by himself. Taxes don't work like the market, only high-mid class families can somehow afford to evade them and so they're the ones who dare to get into the most regulated sectors and taxes don't follow the markets, so an individual can't expect that they will go low, in any significant manner, in the future but rather up(the state is like a drug addict, he can't just cut his dose without serious health problems)
>wat?
Deregularize the markets, let the people who want to get in start with less infastructure and capital, but more risk, so you incentivice pure work creation and economic flow. The state can't create bussiness, only the people can, what the state creates is a cookie monster that has to be constantly fed with money stolen from the people to be used by other people who doesn't care about their service as much as meeting a minimum quota and know that they will not be fired easily.
>>55379063
Military spending appears less of a concern than other areas...hmmmm
>>55382966
Why do lazy people deserve to make as much money as prosperous people?
>>55382990
That delusion. You are just spewing shit you read on a libertarian site.
For all of the lolbertarians here:
http://raikoth.net/libertarian.html#irrational_choices
>>55382503
That's an opinion sir, and is based on what you want from your country. Those things arent free, you pay for them in taxes. I want the choice to choose and pick what I want and what I get, not just it provided to me. Denmark has a personal debt that is 3 times the average americans. Not talking national debt, that doesn't personally affect me. According to Forbes your country is 5th, the same as last year for running a bussiness while the us is 4th. It's really about personal choice and personal opinion between our countries.
>>55383065
>1% for Science
>Giving niggers welfare instead of advancing the human race
>>55379063
Ya we should cut back on our military spending when we have thousands of illegals pouring over he Mexican border
>>55383167
Lazy people are lazy, what's the problem here?
>>55383075
No one is defending it, i'm just saying that everyone should be allowed and "helped" to make it. What is best for everyone is better for you.
>>55382940
it's a metaphor you autistic inbred
>>55382966
That's an opinion. My opinion is the lack of nationalism and general distrust in government is to blame. Why should you do something for a place that you don't like and don't want to make better? You wont.
>>55383167
>http://raikoth.net/libertarian.html#irrational_choices
>OMG! People isn't rational, we need to enchain them into slavery for their own good.
By your logic, your goverment should filter what you're writing on 4chan right know since you actually represent a part of Portugal's population and have an image responsability that you clearly can't manage well.
There is no greater or common good by forced hand, and you can't simply claim that you know whats good for others. Specially when you put your trust on some guys who live several kilometers from you, have never ever seen the town where you live or know what you want and let them decide how you should vote, if you should vote, if you should express yourself, if you should have more or less money at the end of the month, who will take medical care of you and how, who will teach your children and what you can or can't own.
Who is really irrational here?
>>55383424
Meaning if you give a lazy person more money for being lazy, they'll feel inspired by your kindness and be glad to go work a menial job and give half their money in taxes to help someone who didn't?
>>55383424
Everyone should have the choice and freedom to help themselves. You cannot help someone who refuses to help themselves.
>>55383569
For what?
>>55379063
>thinks hes not protected everyday by the US military
>thinks bernies promises will solve anything
>believes in campaign promises
classic turdeau
>>55379063
We certainly should reduce the military budget. Even if we cut it completely though, it wouldn't be enough to compensate for long term budget shortfalls. Federal expenditures consistently exceed available funds, regardless of how much money is available. If we cut the military, the savings won't be used to diffuse new spending; the new money will be used for something else and the debt will continue. Taxes may go up. If they do, that new money will also be spent.
>>55383588
My link is bad, read the whole thing, not just that point, he completely refutes libertarianism, and you can understand all of it.
>>55382838
Bernie sanders is literally a jew
>>55383588
also, nice appeal to emotion
>>55379063
>needlessly massive
Let's see you faggot's try and fight 6 shadow wars, fund 18 militant groups, maintain over 250 bases around the planet, patrol the world's oceans, run backup for the entire world's Internet infrastructure, run telecommunications the world over, fund three hostile takeovers of foreign countries, out muscle Russia and China, constantly upgrade the weapons systems of both Europe and America's missile shield, be the personal army for 7 different sovereign nations, and be the world's largest arms producer on a budget of less than $400 billion a year(we do it with close to 600) I'll wait, irrelevant country #43
>>55383285
That is true. But I can't understand why people don't value a happy community where everyone has a chance in life. Some people cannot settle I guess. I too stribe for succes, but that's because i feel priveliged and want to take advantage of that. I also wanna give back to the community
We have a military industrial complex to sustain, man.
>>55381109
We lose $200 billion a year because of illegals mate, getting rid of them would not only give us a lot of jobs for people that actually deserve it because they're actual citizens, it would give us another $200 billion to use
>>55379063
WE NEED TO MASSIVELY HIKE TAX RATES!!!
>Why do people think Bernie will raise tax rates?
That's you.
That's how fucking stupid you are.
>>55383627
No, no one is advocating to give money, i'm just advocating that higher education should be free. there are many people that can't obtain a deggre and be more productive. Here in Portugal, many people can't study and our tuition is like 1.400 dollars a year, and a scholarship is kind of easy to obtain, and the scholarship completely covers the cost of tuition and residency. If it were 5.000-10.000 euros a year, like in America, half of our student population wouldn't be there now.
>>55379063
>Why does everyone assume Bernie's promises are going to lead to a massive tax hikes?
Don't take OUR word for it...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-proposed-payroll-tax-hit/story?id=34546554
>>55383999
You are assuming American and Portuguese cultures and outlooks on education are identical.
To an American Millennial, they are entitled to free university even if they flunk out.
What's the limit for how many times they can take free tuition out of my wallet if they can't make the cut?
>>55383868
Exactly, illegal emigration is harmfull to economy, but they indeed increase our GDP.
>>55383999
>no is advocating to give money
>make it free
It's the same thing it's just paid for with other people's money.
>>55384095
No one is saying it. In Portugal you loose scholarship if you don't make a certain number of credits (classes is your equivalent, i think). And don't worry, because i can't think of a more entitled people than the Portuguese one
>>55383999
Then you'll just have an overpopulated white-collar market with even fewer openings than there are now and a quality of education reduced to that of inner city public schools.
>>55379161
the only way it's false is if a country spends literally all of their money on military and nothing else.
>>55384211
>No one is saying it.
I am saying it because a European model cannot fit America. It just cannot.
Same reason why socialized medicine cannot work on a national scale in America. Too many people are unhealthy and only go to the doctor when something is wrong.
It's all culture and population demographics.
The posts from Americans on /pol/ is getting more schizophrenic lately.
>>55384195
Not only others. Tell me, what is a person with no education, and no skills, in today economy? And in the future? Let me tell you, he is unemployed. Giving free education will make a population more productive, and therefore, will pay more taxes.
>>55382125
Lots of US farmers are coming over here to buy land and ditch California.
>>55384339
>2+3=4
Like what is going on in your mind when you type this shit?
>>55379063
No, because a good chunk of the military budget is entitlements. VA benefits, pensions, stuff like that. This fact is what people overlook when they say "cut the budget!!" we could, but we'd literally be turning our backs on the vets. That's not sound fiscal policy, that's how rebellions happen (Look up Bonus Army).
>>55379063
We're the only one protecting you, kekada. When we go, you go. With out the US, there's no-one to keep China in check, no-one to keep Russia in check, and no-one to keep mudslimes in check. The world would literally be thrown into anther dark age.
>>55379063
Bernie has proposed $18trillion in new spending
The entire US military budget is $610 billion
Really what I'm getting from this is that the main reason Bernies plan won't work is because rich people are jews and can't stand the idea of having to take 17 vacations next year instead of 18.
>>55384447
Or 20 employees instead of 200.
>>55384447
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-8spGrLrUM
>>55379063
Military is only slightly above 15% of our budget, and we cant cut it completely and even if we did that's not enough to pay for what he wants.
>>55384231
>overpopulated white-collar market
>In Portugal
>anytime soon
sure mate
Now done with shitposting, making university free does not equate with everyone going to university. Many young persons dread the posibility of studying more. It will just make those that want to, and can't afford, be abble to get a education. Sure, some will take advantage, but the majority will just want to improve their lives. I'm all for allowing you Harvards and MITs to keep their huge tuitions, but give American people a choice
>>55379282
AND YOU GET TO KEEP YOUR OWN INSURANCE IF YOU WANT TO
/joke
seriously believing a politician about costs is like lending money to a crack addict. You have no idea the amount of money either is going to waste.
>>55384339
Education =/= skills.
Unless you think women studies degrees have valuable skills.
Also I was talking about money not your make everyone educated thing.
Fucking europoors just don't understand that no one on /pol/ wants to pay for tumblr indoctrination.
We have Mao's student revolution v2 forming right now and the fucking europoors want to give them even more money so more students can be indoctrinated.
>no no i don't actually want that stop strawmanning me reee!
Sorry reality is here to kick your ass.
>>55384617
Sanders isn't running in Portugal tho. Literally what on earth is going on in your mind?
>>55384291
Why can't it work?
> Too many people are unhealthy and only go to the doctor when something is wrong
Like everyone? My grandfather had stomach cancer for years, he coughed and spit blood for years, and he only went to the doctor because he vomited over a liter of blood in front of my family. Almost everyone i know will only go to doctor when something is wrong, and in routine check ups.
>>55379767
I don't believe in giving away free higher education to all, but it's much harder to get full-ride scholarships than you make it seem
>>55384833
If you're white. But if you're white chances are your parents make money.
>>55384688
>you'll just have
i thought you were talking about Portugal
>>55384681
But education=skills, that is the whole purpose of it. What do you think education is?
>>55384974
So what valuable skills do tumblr studies bring?
>>55384918
Colloquial english often uses the word 'you' where other languages would make of a pronoun relative to 'one'. Sure it can be confusing, but flipside is you sound like a pretentious nitwit if you talk about one's education.
>>55381090
>le reddit meme
protip: "website wars" are for underage faggots.
stay in school.
>>55380768
capital gains tax is 15% you fucking moron. holy fuck i wish the children would gtfo off of /pol/
>>55379063
You do realize that defense is less than 20% of the federal budget right
Even if you cut it in half you wouldn't come anywhere near paying for what Sanders proposes.
>>55385027
Yes, there is stupid people that will take stupid degrees. But should we punish those who want to improve their lives because you don't like woman studies?
>>55385038
I got confused, sorry for not dominating a 2nd language. next time you get something wrong on your spanish lessons, i'll be there to judge you mate
>>55385213
That's basically what will end up happening with the whole free college thing.
>>55385213
Not giving someone something for free isn't punishing them you fucking idiot.
Also if you're going to pay for training, it shouldn't be a bachelors. It should be trade schools.
>>55385213
>women's studies
>improves life
Muahahahahahahaha!
>>55385310
Better to be judged by a native speaker of a language than a foreign learner on Mt. Stupid.
>>55385213
So the solution is to encourage more stupid people to get more stupid degrees by making it free?
Those who are competent enough already get financial aid.
>>55385322
Everyone will take stupid deggres?
>>55385367
When that is healthcare, education, yes, it's punishment.
>>55385527
You trust a stupid person to not be stupid?
>>55385491
>financial aid
>50.000 debt by the end of 4 years
>>55385565
Of course not, they will remain stupid. I mean those that want to take good deggres.
>>55385636
>entry-level software engineer
>$60,000 starting
>>55385527
Healthcare and education are not a right. They are either commodities or privileges.
>>55385636
Which they then work off with their jobs?
>>55385700
And those degrees that don't pay those amounts of money? Are they not needed? not good?
>>55385719
>Healthcare and education are not a right. They are either commodities or privileges.
>>55385880
Yeah, mostly.
>>55385679
They get a student loan like everyone else and use that degree to get a job and pay off their denbts.
>>55385880
Of course they're not good.
>>55385917
It's true. Rights exist with or without government. Public education or healthcare cannot.
>>55379767
This is the most pathetic argument
If you set down the sword,someone else will pick it up. I would rather starve swords in hand than feast under the control of another.
>>55379552
>College/University tuition is just straight up too high
So don't go. Why is living within our means such an abstract concept these days?
>>55379552
Tackle what? That not everyone is going to a 4 year college? Not everyone SHOULD be!
>>55379386
If you're making planes, tanks, bombs and guns, you need people to kill. If you have a standing army you're going to use it.
Just asking to be invaded when you have a weak military.
>>55379063
America is the worlds police. We didn't choose it, it was forced on us. Not only that, are military spending isn't even that much. What we should do is cut back on welfare and healthcare. We spend the most money of any country on healthcare yet have one of the worst systems. The only logical conclusion is that people are getting money to do nothing, and that needs to stop.
We need to cut back on welfare and healthcare, increase military and crash China while we still can.
>>55379554
Yes, they will.
*Proof* Uncle is a richfag
>>55391449
>we didn't choose it
I wouldn't mind paying more taxes if it meant better healthcare, schools and other public stuff.
the problem is our politician's have proved themselves to be completely incompetent when it comes to spending tax payer money, just look at california, what a fucking shit show.
I refuse to pay more taxes until we get some more competent people within our government, maybe Bernie would bring that change.
>>55391449
Yea we did choose it, Theodore Roosevelt campaigned heavily for more military spending and was set on going to war, because in his mind that's what all great nations do. There was no arguing with him on this. Before he even took office he was responsible for turning our pathetic navy into one of the greatest military powers the world had ever seen, the rest is history.
>>55387624
College isn't for everyone. That's pretty straightforward. But everyone who wants to go SHOULD have that option.
We have (mandatory) public education because it's beneficial to our whole society. In a similar vein, it's beneficial to our whole society to further educate people that want that education.
>>55379063
>>55392404
And they do.
