What age did you grow out of your euphoric atheist phase?
>>55375331
When I realized Donald Trump was retarded and Ben Carson was not.
15
Unsurprisingly, it wasn't long after I stopped being a leftie
>>55375331
Hitler was atheist, dumbfuck, but he used Christianity as a propaganda tool because the majority of the German population was Christian. He knew he would get fucked over if he tried to suppress it.
>>55375560
>hitler was an atheist
proofs? genuinely curious
>>55375560
>implying being a Christian requires believing in God
What is up with the surge of these threads. Why do you do it Goldstein ?
>>55375331
Never took stories for little kids literally, even as a kid.
>yfw not retarded
>>55375665
>>55375620
>"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"
>there are people on this board right now who unironically believe Hitler was a Christian, not just a guy who used religion to justify his crusade against Da Joos
>>55375331
I lost faith around 10. I was a very stubborn atheist for a long time, even while serving in war. Now at 24 I'm starting to have a revival of faith. I never would've thought it was possible. It's odd how headstrong I was about my faith, or lack thereof, and how I've done a 360 and walked away.
>>55375620
Are you telling me that you can't be arsed to fire up your favorite search engine and search for "hitler+atheist" ? Anyways all evidence is anecdotal. Hitler has been quoted by saying something like "Nazism is a secular ideology" and that it wouldn't be able to coexist with religion in the long run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8xpfhcwpDA
>>55375331
>Being christian from birth
Essentially indoctrination desu
>>55378050
thanks immunity cat
My parents aren't religious people so when I was a child I didn't receive a religious education and I never thought about god and faith till I grew up. When I was 18, I decided to be atheist, then I changed my mind and I went full agnostic (pratically I don't give a damn fuck)
>>55375331
Your Nazi veneration makes me ashamed of being a whiskey-gook.
>>55375331
I am still atheist. I just read Nietzsche and shit and realized how much of faggots fedora secular humanists are.
>>55375665
>>55378482
>>55378705
Any arguments y'all wanna share against the existence of God?
>>55378961
Burden of Proof
>>55379103
How about inductive reasoning as the alternative?
>>55377957
>"Nazism is a secular ideology"
yes, and so is our American system. and yet, the overwhelming majority of our founding fathers were theists of some stripe.
not entirely disagreeing with you on Hitler; i, too, believe he was an atheist (perhaps with some occult leanings) who used Christianity in a pandering way as a PR maneuver. but this quote you mention doesn't apply.
Hitler believed in God but was not a Christian.
>>55379208
>Due to every day occurences like kids being born with mutations and random chance being in your favour, there is an omnipotent creator.
>>55378129
>Being christian from birth
there is no such thing, in the Biblical sense.
>>55378961
The existance of God isn't the problem I have. It's the whole "I know what God is thinking and he wants you to give me money but don't worry I'll pay you back when you die" bit that bothers me.
>>55378961
i don't think i've ever heard a philosophical argument against the existence of God, save the usual "if God's so good why is there evil in the world?" variety (which, of course, begs plenty of questions itself).
is anyone aware of any good atheist philosophers that provide cogent, logical arguments against the existence of God? i am not talking about Nietzsche and his ilk; those are ramblings, not cogent, logically formed arguments.
>>55375331
Atheists can't be wrong because they believe nothing.
Only everyone else has to defend their beliefs and none has done it well so far.
>>55375638
>Gender is a social construct
>>55375560
He was Catholic you Retard
>>55378961
I have none but a ridiculous occam's razzor(it only makes sense if you believe in evolution). Even tough I think it's likely there is no God I basically don't care much. I believe religion is a superior group evolutionary strategy(you get a better enforcement of moral values and ethics by having people believe an all knowing being to punish you after you are dead). Thus it's by no means going away so soon. That's why I won't nag people like fedora tippers do. I'd actually prefer to live in a theocracy too because it's much more stable politically and socially(fewer degeneracy and leftists).
>>55379326
>>55379503
>>55379336
I was an atheist for a long time, so that's the mindset I look at God with
>Due to every day occurences like kids being born with mutations and random chance being in your favour, there is an omnipotent creator.
This is implying good and evil aren't mere abstractions. We already can see the variance in mortality around the world at this very moment. Some of the most horrible practices and events to the western world are done in the name of holiness in others. Whether you believe in God or not, we are all manifestations of the universe, every living/physical object derives from the singularity. We truly are made in the image of God/the universe. Is it evil if it's self sacrifice?
>>55377957
Holy Fuck your dumb
Why don't you use your Fucking fingers and look up Hitler's religious beliefs
>>55378961
Carbon dating and dinosaurs disprove 95% of shit in the bible.
Neither one of my parents were religious and never attended church which was always strange to me given my dad was born in the 30s and my mom was born in the 40s, back when the church still ruled everything in Quebec at that time (ouais les deux parents sont quebecois)
Either way, I never went to church ever in my life and never had any religious upbringing and at the age of 30, I see no reason to start believing in God or practicing a religion of any sort. I just simply don't see the point in it on top of not believing in any of them to begin with.
>>55379923
I'm talking about God more per se, than any specific religion. Christianity is the most superior in my opinion though. Also, how does it disprove 95% of the bible?
>>55379503
Read david stove's plato's cult and other philosophical follies. It's not what you are asking for here(logical arguments for non existence), it's better.
>>55380247
>>55379503
Here is a sample chapter.
>>55380306
http://www.oocities.org/krishna_kunchith/misc/plato-cult.html
>>55375560
He was a Catholic you shit lord
>>55379792
Don't you find it odd how well it holds civilization together? The rise of the backwards movements and perversions today are undoubtedly correlated with the abandonment of God. What is seen as sexist, homophobic, racist, etc in the bible, can now be seen as reason and logic, for when left unsuppressed, we are left with the Merkels and Swedens.
>>55380324
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
>>55379923
Carbon dating is wrong and highly inaccurate.
Dinosaurs lived with mankind
>>55380306
>>55380322
Absolute trash
>>55380390
The Rapture is coming.
Repent.
17.
Although still atheist, i highly prefer to meet catholics than atheists, since 90% of us are way too euphoric
>>55378961
There is no proof that god does or does not exist, neither of those things can be proven. Religions and science on the other side can be wrong. My reasoning was: god may or may not exist, if he does I'm pretty sure that he must be an entity that no human can understand, completely "alien" (diverse) from us and any way humans have depicted him. Such, in my opinion, does not care about us, we're just one of the many forms of life that may inhabit our expanding universe. So, if I'm atheist and he does not exist, I'm "fine"; if he exists he does not care if I believe in him or nor, so even if I knew he existed I would prefer to not believe in such alien and egoistic god.
>>55375331
>Atheism
>Just a phase
Anon i have some news for you...
>>55375560
He was not catholic. maybe publicly but relied on nordic runes and occult kabbilism in practice. He went to Tibet to meet the king of the world in the subterranean mountain temples where he came back with the swastika. So he was a mix of occultism. gaining power through the unseen world secrecy and lies
>>55380390
It's not odd. People are just too stupid to come with morals by themselves, they need an objective moral system to guide them or they will fall prey to just rationalizing their desires and emotions.
If we were all 150 IQ(including women) and strongly magnanimous maybe things like communism and anarchy would work. Tough disbelief could still bring things like nihilism and cynicism (antinatalists for example) in that hypothetical situation. Thus godless societies are doomed to inevitably fail. If God exists he certainly has an amusing sense of humor.
>>55375331
Early 20s maybe?
>>55380486
If you like to discuss how many angels dance in the head of pins suit yourself out.
>>55380588
>alien and egoistic god
see
>>55380390
Is this not what humanity needs? Are these actual attributes of God, or what has best been tailored for humanity to understand, preserve the word, and prosper as a civilization?
If you were going to to get a dog to do something for its own well being, do you reason with it by showing it ultimate truth, or train it to do the mandatory task?
>>55380519
Hopefully...
>>55380874
kek
Most astrophysicists are Theists.
Only sad hateful people are Atheists, I've never met a happy one. I've never met one that wanted to live.
>>55380770
>to just rationalizing their desires and emotions
This is key right here
The hedonistic virtues that have engulfed the modern world. The word of God warns us of these things in almost all religions.
>>55380414
>Carbon dating is wrong and highly inaccurate
I'll agree on that one. However, Iron-60 is not, and, in fact, is the one used to date old fossils (over a milion years).
Atheist here, age 30. I will always regard believers and agnostics as pure retards. Always. Keep on believing, retards.
>>55381127
I used to as well. I was wrong
About 16. Ironically, I am now a devout Christian.
>>55380888
There are people who need the figure of God in order to respect the "rules of peaceful living", others that don't need it. Personally I find that my morality comes from my education and experience, most of the values in which I believe are or are similar to some of the catholic teachings (love you neighbour, forgive and be forgiven, exc...), but it's something I believe without the need of a God telling me what's good and bad
>>55381039
The information against all dating methods is out there if you look for it.
The Bible is true and God is never wrong.
>>55381509
I agree with your view. I don't feel like I was morally deficient while I was an atheist at all. I hadn't had a revival in faith due to the regression in culture alone. It was really examining whether or not the existence of God was truly a logical possibility.
>>55381578
Yeah nah faggot, isotope dating obeys the same laws as radiotherapy, so unless your tinfoil hat also discards that as fake, I'll just laugh and call you a retard, retard.
>>55375560
Hitler was pagan.
>>55381767
It's always nice to find someone that shares my opinion :)
I hope you found your own answers and you're happy with them
>>55378050
thank you immunity cat
I don't understand faith. I hold no malice for it, I just don't understand.
>>55381921
What does radiotherapy have to do with anything, Paco?
>>55380979
Aren't most string theorists atheists( aka multiverse worshipers aka my math is awesome fuck the empirical facts)?
>Only sad hateful people are Atheists, I've never met a happy one. I've never met one that wanted to live.
I am not hateful but you are not wrong when you say sad. Tough I want to live.
>>55382378
It obeys the same principles behind Isotope dating, so if you dismiss one so easily, it shines light on your knowledge of the subject, which is none.
>>55382374
>>55382406
If you explore modern theories about the universe ie multiverse, particle observation, the fact that particles can be in two different locations at the same time, you can actually draw together how an observer can be infinite, omnipotent, and omniscient. If the universe really is contained in a single point (time and space being an illusion) and has a multiverse split for every possible reaction, theoretically, one would know everything that ever would, could, and has been.
>>55382606
What laws are you talking about?
How does killing cancer have anything to do with dating methods?
>>55375331
when i found out what hitler had to say about it
i follow all his tweets
>>55381127
>agnostics
I dunno about calling them retarded as they clearly have their eyes open a bit
I would say agnostics are more of idealistic optimists who place too much stock in a maybe
>>55375331
Martin Bormann, his right-hand man, was an open atheist and so were many other high-ranking Nazis. Argument invalid, faggot.
>>55378961
logic and critical thinking
>>55381578
>The Bible is true
Whatever you say cattle
Can you moo for me?
>>55379336
Sounds like Islam is the religion for you
>>55380109
>Also, how does it disprove 95% of the bible?
it disproves that the earth is only 5000 years old
>>55375331
>claim to be redpilled
>believe in fairy tales and a magic father figure that grants you eternal life and shiet
Believers don't belong here
>>55380414
>Dinosaurs lived with mankind
bait/10
i refuse to believe there are people that are seriously believing dinosaurs coexisted with humans
>>55375408
This desu
>>55375408
>Equating atheism with progressivism.
this thread can't b8 harder
>>55380979
>Most astrophysicists are Theists.
this is bullshit and has already been disproven
and no, go find the sources yourself you uneducated sack of shit
Christian until 12 been apatheist since.
>>55382711
Yes. Physics would hardly disprove any such thing because the idea of God is in metaphysics. The fedorafags love to keep saying "God of the gaps" even tough metaphysics, which has been the point of focus of monotheistic religions since the middle ages, is the ultimate gap.
I don't believe in God because I don't see any strong enough evidence to that. I actually wish I could but I just can't.
>>55382903
It is.
>>55383018
They did.
Minerals have too much helium for the earth to be even 1% of the age evolutionists say it is.
Diamonds and strata have too much Carbon-14.
The sea does not have enough minerals.
One focus of the RATE (Radioisotopes and the Age of The Earth) project was radiohalos research. It was concluded that the uranium (238U) and polonium (Po) radiohalos frequently found in granitic rocks had to have formed simultaneously. This implies that hundreds of millions of years of radioactive decay (at today's rates) had to have occurred in a matter of a few days! There needs to have been that much decay of 238U to produce both the visible physical damage (the radiohalos) and the required Po, but that much Po would then have decayed within a few days (because of its short half-lives, that is, very rapid decay rates). So radioisotope "ages" for such granitic rocks of hundreds of millions of years, calculated on the assumption that radioactive decay has always occurred at today's rates, are grossly in error, and these rocks would thus have formed during the Flood year only 4500 years ago. A hydrothermal fluid (hot water) transport model was thus proposed which explained how the Po was separated from its parent 238U and then concentrated in radiocenters close by to form the Po radiohalos.
FUCK OFF if you don't know what you are talking about don't fucking talk about it.
>>55383185
I understand, I'm still on the fence. It's just observing the current state of nations it made me revisit something I hadn't in years. I went at it unbiased for the first time and saw how it could legitimately be a possibility. I then asked if we'd be experiencing the same problems if we were still were devout cultures. I'd say I'm probably more of an agnostic who leans christian haha. I don't know, no one does really.
>>55383118
It's because you don't have any you loser.
>>55375374
hahahah
>>55383185
>>55383417
>I want to believe in God but I can;t without Evidence.
That goes completely against the whole purpose of belief.
>>55375331
>What age did you grow out of your euphoric atheist phase?
I was never euphoric to "be an atheist" - and I'm still an atheist and will always be an atheist. Hitler's war was against bolshevik front atheist groups in Weimar - they were not just groups of "atheists."
Hitler believed in no God nor did anyone of serious merit in the National Socialist group. Hitler didn't regularly attend church or otherwise - he hired several pagans to major government positions and the deputy fuhrer prohibited discrimination against those who don't have a faith as long as they are loyal to National Socialism.
Hitler was after Bolsheviks - the Weimar Republic's atheist groups were Bolshevik groups. Similarly, many American atheist groups are Bolshevik.
There is no deity - there's no evidence for a deity - there's ZERO reason to believe a deity exists.
The ones that do are probably too weak to think for themselves and accept the ultimate responsibility for their actions.
If you need an ancient book to tell you not to steal or kill and not be a dick, you need to off yourself right now.
>>55383018
Then you'd be hard pressed to explain away so many ancient pottery shards, cave walls, etc., depicting dinosaurs, wouldn't you.
>>55383018
BUT MUH FOOTPRINTS
>I grew up near Glen Rose, TX.
http://www.creationevidence.org/
>Most of my family believes the Earth is about 6000 years old.
>A few think that if you dig deep enough you will literally find hell.
>They think Shroud of Turin is legit.
>They get BTFO by my elementary understanding of geology, physics, and biology.
>They essentially say: "You think your so much smarter than everyone just because you college"
>Cant explain to them that evolution and big bang theory can be compatible with Christian beliefs.
>>55383630
Except for the universe God made.
Oh, and except for making many appearances on earth.
Oh, and except for the continued existence of the Jewish people.
Oh, and except for Jesus Himself coming to earth and saying Hi.
>throw out all evidence
>whine about lack of evidence
All day every day
>>55383673
Sorry kid.
They're still smarter than you.
>But I parroted what fedora liberals indoctrinated me with!
>>55382823
Agnosticism its the golden mean because it relies on knowledge more than faith
In all seriousness probably half a year ago. I realised religion is part of national identity, europeans need a religious label aswel.
I still do not literally believe in any of it, i just go to pagan celebrations and celebrate pagan holidays.
Also Christianity is not European.
Christianity today sucks.
We need a more militant religion that serves as a unifier of western world.
A form of Imperialist Militaristic Christianity that every white human can relate to and one that will fuel the furnances to 6-million the mudslimes, the shitskins, the kikes, the negroes, the SJWs, the trannies and every other type of degenerate.
One that will turn shit-posting beta-fedora-tipping-faggots on /pol/ into fucking Ubermensch worthy of calling themselves Humans.
>>55383313
Explain pole reversals and seafloor spreading,
>>55383584
>I want to believe in God but I can;t without Evidence.
You misrepresent my statement.
There is a philosopher called David Hume that makes a distinction between "ought" and "is". "Is" refers to reality, a rock "is" hard, "ought", to actions, thou "shall" not kill. We can certainly apply "ought" to our own beliefs: Should you believe X if X is false? There is nothing that says you should believe in truth, but building rockets etc that will serve other goals. Believe in physics because you want to go to space.
But what about things that don't matter much, should an illiterate person in the middle of nowhere believe in evolution? Why would that person bother?
>>55375331
>implying Hitler was totally sane
So where did Hitler said that? Hitler didn't even speak English.
>>55383791
Throw some evidence out for these shit lords.
>>55383664
kek, you'd better fire up the ovens prep the gas and start killing anybody with an IQ lesser than 105 (and a few above). And psychopaths too. Ohh and a handful of nihilists(these can be as smart as you want them to be.)
You are foolish to not think through all the implications of what you believe.
>>55375331
Hitler wasn't always right, like pol
>>55375560
Hitler was a muslim
>>55383673
Not parroting at all.
Im not atheist either, I consider myself Protestant but of a more Deist flavor.
Fedoras had yet to reach my uni when i graduated.
>>55375331
Still an atheist but not "euphoric" about it ever since I graduated high school and stopped being a smug self-righteous leftist
>>55383666
you can't be this fucking stupid, i'm not even going to try to argue with you. please read some books
>>55383987
Flood induced wobble.
Flood.
>>55384250
>Hitler was a muslim
Nope, he just believed that if germans were muslims they would have already conquered the whole world. Tough he believed sandniggers were one of lowest races.
>>55382765
>What laws are you talking about?
The strong and weak nuclear forces.
>How does killing cancer have anything to do with dating methods?
I already told you, same principles behind the two.
>>55380888
>If you were going to to get a dog to do something for its own well being, do you reason with it by showing it ultimate truth, or train it to do the mandatory task?
Obviously the latter.
But if created dogs, I'd be sure to create a canine demon to tempt them into perdition and rule over doggy hell, where all dogs that don't obey me are tortured eternally.
>>55375331
>What age did you grow out of your euphoric atheist phase?
Hate to burst your bubble - but Hitler hated the Bolshevik groups in the Wiemar Republic that were atheists and spreading Bolshevism in the name of atheism - not "atheists" in and of themselves.
The kind of "atheist" groups in Weimar were similar to the ones today - which relied on whipping up frenzied hatred of religion. This is a Bolshevik characteristic and not specifically an atheist one as there have been many atheists for centuries that simply disagreed with non-atheists about the existence of deities and never specifically were dedicated to overthrowing the dominant culture.
This is a Bolshevik atheist (and a Jew):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA0OOEo0k2k
Darwin is an example of a run of the mill atheist - just someone who doesn't really believe a deity exists.
>>55384315
Yes, you're more than willing to throw out all evidence that proves your pet philosophy, that you are the pinnacle of evolution, right into the trash.
There are dinosaurs painted on cave walls.
There are dinosaurs carved in stone walls.
There are dinosaurs depicted in ancient pottery, exactly.
Almost (kek) as though the artist had seen dinosaurs.
Besides, there are dinosaurs living today. Alligators, crocodiles, komodo dragons, coelecanths, etc., etc., etc., etc.
>>55383987
>I can't refute what you said because it's true
>oh yeah b-b-b-but can you explain this?!?!?!?!?
>protip: Atheists are the ones who won't get rid of their tinfoil hats
>>55384052
David Hume was also a Christian I believe.
>>55384379
Must be pretty worthless.
>>55384480
You have me curious. Can you provide some links?
>>55375331
i was a practicing christian all my childhood but at some point i figured its stupid that i am expected to go to church regularly and give them my money (obviously plenty other reasons too). nowadays its not so much my faith that connects me with christianity but rather my christian upbringing and the appreciation of christian values. not sure if that actually makes me a christian though.
>>55379923
Good goy
I'm just going to fully shitpost here and say if you honestly believe that a God (whatever that may be) has a conscience then you're fully retarded.
I realise most of you do but the majority is sometimes wrong. Think about it. If you weren't brought up to believe in God would you have?
>>55379725
He was a Catholic that admired islam.
>>55384376
Stil the arabs were Hitler's allies. It's pretty convinient to forget your own ideology for diplomatic strategy. Knowing that it's unknown how much Hitler believed to his own ideas and all the controversies make you understand how nazism was all bullshit
>>55380979
I agree. Im an atheist (atleast i get called that) and i dont hate other religions, and i want to live. But sadly there are alot of hateful atheists
>>55382431
I'm an atheist myself, just not vocal or missionary about it. But this guy ...
>>55384480
Biologically speaking, crocodiles and lizards aren't dinosaurs. For example the closest living relative of Tyrannosaurus Rex it's the chicken
>>55384625
>Must be pretty worthless.
To you maybe, I absolutely love to work with them.
>>55384814
For Hitler Americans are nothing but mixed bastards.
From mein kampf:
Der Jude heiratet fast nie eine Christin, sondern der Christ die Jüdin. Die Bastards (Mischlinge) aber schlagen dennoch nach jüdischer Seite aus.
So Hitler is saying that Jews never care to find Christian women, but that they search rich Jews and then convert to Jews. That's like all presidential candidates in USA.
>>55384814
>He was a Catholic that admired islam.
Hitler admired the only thing there is to respect about Islam: it's absolutely conviction that it's culture should be supreme. Beyond that he had no love for the religion and was using the Arabs in British held middle-Eastern states to try to distract the British.
I'm Atheist but I only hate Christianity and Judaism, the other religions are fine.
>>55384511
There are plenty of rumors he was a closet atheist.
Apparently you know shit about philosophy and didn't understood at all the point I was trying to make:
God probably does not exists, but who cares, maybe it's good the majority of people believe so.
>>55375408
Same. Having conviction makes you care about stuff.
>>55375560
Hitler's beliefs were weird, it was a combonation of Catholicism, germanic paganism, and the occult.
>>55385192
This is the truth, Islam is less hell worthy than Protestantism.
>>55375331
20. Although I was always against modernism, amazing atheist etc.
>>55383185
>I actually wish I could but I just can't.
Then your brain is defective because a normal brain IS wired for faith.
>>55385252
Guess you love mudslime cock up the ass too huh
>>55379333
christian at baptism
jew at circumcision
>>55385192
Hitler wanted to unite Germanic people, not create more conflicts among them. Hitler's priority was pure race, any means necessary.
Mein Kampf:
Der Jude hat jedenfalls das gewollte Ziel erreicht: Katholiken und Protestanten führen miteinander einen fröhlichen Krieg und der Todfeind der arischen Menschheit und des gesamten Christentums lacht sich ins Fäustchen, so gelingt es ihm jetzt wieder, die zwei deutschen Konfessionen gegeneinander Sturm laufen zu lassen, während beider Grundlagen vom Gift des internationalen Weltjuden zerfressen und unterhöhlt werden.
So basically Hitler is saying that Jew managed to split Christian religion and weakened Christianity. Modern times have even more flavours of Christianity, all run by Jews. Hitler only wanted Christianity that wasn't run by Jews(Israel), but where does that exist these days? Hitler's goal was to shake off dependence from international Jews, not to strengthen them like Americans have done. Republicans in USA use Christianity through Jews, they all go pray to their wall in Israel, then they call it conservatism. UKIP too supports Jews, exactly the opposite what Hitler wanted with Christianity.
>>55377859
Doing a 360 would lead you back where you came from retard
>>55385638
>Hitler only wanted Christianity that wasn't run by Jews(Israel), but where does that exist these days?
Eastern Europe, secluded congregations of any church, Copts..
eh, I wouldn't really call myself an atheist or a religious person; I believe in god in a sense that its the universe or some kind of celestial force, not some dude. (Pantheist I guess?) I do like the morals and belief system of Christianity but I don't really care for much else. I think people should just focus on not being dicks or retarded.
>>55375331
>What age did you grow out of your euphoric atheist phase?
Around 20 or so.
I'm still an atheist- I fail to find sufficient evidence for the existence of the supernatural, and refuse to include it in my worldview-
I am just not the annoying person who thinks religion "caused the most bloodshed/conflict in human historiiiiii!" or that being religious is worse than thinking you can centrally plan the economy.
>>55385683
Orthodox church isn't Germanic church, so that doesn't counts by default.
I was raised Catholic, but became an atheist around 16, 17 years of age. When I was around 21, 22 years old, I stopped. I still struggle with my faith, at least believing in the concept of "God," or the divinity of Christ, but at the end of the day I've realized that a godless society is far worse than a religious one.
>>55385782
I like your point of view
At most I was edgy atheist but I left that in my early teens. Still atheist, I don't believe in the supernatural and think it's a bit silly. That said I won't belittle someone for it we all have something in our lives we need for one reason or the other logic be damned. I do have euphoric friends though.
>>55375331
adults with imaginary friends are stupid
>>55385877
Poland is Catholic and in Eastern Europe.
>>55385842
>being religious is worse than thinking you can centrally plan the economy.
Fucking Amerifags...
>>55385149
kek sure you do
>>55385369
>rumors
>self confessed Christian
Fuck your rumors.
Also, almost every great philosopher believed the was a God.
>>55385908
Very similar, except I was Lutheran.
I've come to the conclusion that masses can not be this stupid based on their hardware, but that there is very likely a spiritual burden on them which blinds them from all.
>>55385480
You're joking right?
Islam is by all means the religion of satan.
It was a competition between God and the Devil.
Why do you think the devil is winning while Christianity dies?
Because people love their sin.
My parents only cared about school, religion was an afterthought
I think about religion about as often as I think about Congo foreign policy, which is never. Agnostic overall though could be either one
>>55385369
>believe something because it serves a purpose
>not because it is true
This is so very unchristian.
>>55385502
This is the truth.
>>55384480
>he thinks coelecanths are dinosaurs
>he thinks alligators are dinosaurs
>he thinks crocodiles are dinosaurs
>doesnt mention birds which are literally all dinosaurs
>thinks "dinosaurs" which we have established in his post by his own opinion means virtually anything from fish to lizards are painted on pottery, stone/cave walls
>thinks people who believe in evolution think they are the "pinnacle of evolution" which is a completely retarded way of thinking about evolution, since there is no pinnacle of evolution, only an ongoing deterministic change in response to changing conditions culling members of reproducing populations that dont survive
Are you retarded or just a troll?
>>55386056
Hitler's goal was to not be dependent on anybody, that's the goal of every Socialistic country. When you are dependant on Israel or Orthodox pope then you aren't independent. Hitler wanted to control religion himself, like every Socialistic country. Religion is under any government of the world just means to rule over people, but there are other ways too. Hitler's mein kampf basically describes different ways how to control people and unite them. So yes, some Germans were Christians, then we need to unite them and control them, that was Hitler's plan. He was a leader, who wanted to lead all the people. This is what Marxism also teaches, you have many different people, you unite them and lead them, but in Socialism you don't have interracial mixing, to have this you first need to control everything, including religion. Hitler isn't a fucking pastor.
>>55386204
No, Islam believes in God, protestants don't, Islam follows the Religion, protestants don't.
You would be venerating Christ more as a Muslim than a Prod.
>>55386255
>deterministic change
Confirmed for not having done Physics. World has either randomness or freedom to it.
>>55386352
Hitler failed, didn't he?
>>55386358
You're joking again right?
Islam is the religion of Satan.
>>55386477
No, Protestantism is the "religion" of satan.
There might be some Muslims that go to heaven, but all prods go to hell.
>>55386419
Of course he did, but China/Yugoslavia/Soviet Union didn't.
>>55386381
The determinism comes about not from physics but from large scale forces/environment where the small scale randomness in the universe is basically not present in the system because it averages out very quickly as you leave the quantum realm.
For example if the environment changes so that oxygen is no longer present, there is a deterministic change that will kill off every animal that requires oxygen to survive, there is no randomness or freedom to this change. If oxygen leaves the environment it will happen.
Most changes are not this dramatic, but its basically the same shit. If some pathogen evolves in the environment, organisms that are less susceptible to the pathogen will survive at greater rates, and eventually take over the gene pool, etc.
>>55375331
19 or 20?
I used to consider myself to be anti-theist. But then I realised churches were kind of cool, and hymns, and that Christianity was a positive influence on British culture.
The bibles a load of shit obviously but Christianity is a-ok in my books. Other religions can fuck off though
>>55386526
Muslims truly believe in God and would sacrifice everything for it, (a bit misguided) Prods wouldn't sacrifice a nail nor stake their life for Christ, they are a stain on Christianity and should be purged.
>>55386526
I hope you are joking.
I will pray for you.
>>55386526
>>55386667
AM AN IRISH AMERICAN. WHAT PART OF IRELAND ARE YOU FROM? DO THEY SPEAK ENGLISH IN IRELAND? ARE YOU SCOTTISH? DO YOU KNOW MA GRAN?
Only those who truly believe in God go to heaven, Prods don't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R8viSgLTVM
>>55385140
Yes, when you believe in nothing, a T-Rex can turn into a chicken, in your mind.
>>55375331
Around 22.
>>55386586
>small scale randomness
It works on major scales as well. Although the smaller scale does affect genomes and cells.
>>55386739
Praying for me wouldn't do anything when you wouldn't forsake your pleasures or self interest, filthy prod.
A prayer from a Muslim would reach God faster than a prayer from a prod.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49lw0lD7zcA
>>55386842
I'm beginning to remember why I hate bible fags
Religion threads on the internet are literal cancer.
>>55385502
Bingo.
>>55375331
I don't really believe in any sort of supernatural stuff, but that doesn't stop me from hating Atheists (with a capital A). Biggest fucking bunch of melvins on the planet.
A muslim would sacrifice their life for God a prod wouldn't sacrifice a cheeto for God.
>>55386917
Can you give an example of large scale randomness (true randomness, not just extreme complexity)?
On the smaller scale randomness does have a minor effect on things, however the random change is only a part of how evolution works (in that it creates change in the first place, and most of this change is not truly random regardless), the real clincher for evolution is when the changes in the genome are exposed to conditions in the environment, and no amount of small scale randomness is going to let a duck breathe CO2, or let someone with diabetes live without insulin.
Sometimes I wish I was a dumb religious fag. I have to admit, I am attracted to the meditative quality of praying, belief in something higher than you that is looking after you which fills you with faith. Its a placebo effect that helps religiousfags reason to be more happy, more positive than atheistfags.
>>55386078
>being religious is worse than thinking you can centrally plan the economy.
I'm saying I don't think that way anymore.
>Fucking Amerifags...
Who or what are you?
>That picture
Some Left and Right libertarians like to see the breakdown of institutions that stop Men's egos from fully seeking out their desires (Chomsky, Rand, Proudhon ). Others think civil society and institutions should step up in the absence of state intervention. (Tolstoi, Hoppe, Rockwell)
>>55387077
>trying THIS hard to be Irish
Not even real Irish people behave like this
>>55386920
No, it wouldn't. Because Islam is all lies.
>>55378050
danke immunitikatzen
>>55386933
And yet, I find the endless imagination of the evolutionist fascinating.
A T-Rex, laying an egg, out of which hatches a chick.
Fascinating stuff.
>>55387109
It would indeed be a huge step upwards for you.
>>55385502
Father Robert Barron please go.
The human brain is wired for
>Hedonism
>Sex/rape
>Human compassion
>Hatred/revenge
>Lies
>Honesty
And a bunch of other things. Some are in line with faith, and specifically your faith; some are not. Oftentimes institutions arose in spite of individual needs, wants and desires.
Prods, Don't believe in God.
Muslims believe in God
Pure Traditional Catholics believe in God, I have more hope for Muslims to get into heaven than for prods.
>>55387132
It's an actual argument muslims make. They are willing to murder or die for allah, but the Jews and Christians are not willing to murder or die for God. Therefore islam is stronger.
Because it involves murder and suicide.
>>55387111
Chompsky doesnt think that, his position on institutions is that their existence should be justified by concrete benefit to people, and if they provide no benefit or are harmful they should be dismantled. It has nothing to do with Men's egos or desires (unless Ive missed something, feel free to provide a link proving me wrong), though preventing people from doing things they desire which would do no harm to anyone else might be considered a reason to dismantle an institution
>>55378129
Sweden your whole country has been indoc trinated with atheism and Marxism. you guys are keked and proof that atheism is shit.
>>55387263
Yes, because on several occasions you have demonstrated that you are a fool.
It's probably okay to stop now. We get it.
>>55375331
I still haven't grown out of it in the same way I haven't grown out of my rationality phase.
>>55387263
Islam obviously adheres to the Devil though.
There is nothing in that religion that would imply that it is actually following the true god.
Their greatest messenger was nothing more than a mentally unstable and suicidal warlord whom also happened to be a pedophile.
>>55387277
Real Christians would fight and die for Christ (And did).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFgkDYbAk0Q
>>55387434
It wouldn't matter, they believe 100% in God and die for God, Prods live for themselves and die for nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTjUu1Bt29o
>>55387204
>what is evolution
Holy shit, kill yourself, at least you'll be closer to your god this way.
>>55387508
Believing and following the devil 100% won't get you into heaven, even if you think he's god.
>>55387449
what movie is this
About 18. Now I am asatru, or old fashion Viking Paegan. It makes more sense than the other relgions. Their stuff for mythology is more of stories of their ancestors compared to deities with unbelievable powers with their sons/daughters as blessed people.
>>55387615
Kingdom Of Heaven.
>>55385642
>Being this new
>>55387508
>>55387567
Even Sweden knows Islam is the Devil.
Get your head out of your ass dude.
>>55387615
Kingdom of Heaven, starring Legolas
>>55387703
No, prod heathen.
>>55387666
This is a conflicting post.
The power of Christ compels you!
>Talking children of satan out of atheism
For what purpose? Are their souls gonna get saved or something?
>>55387434
>Mohammed was r9k who got to live his power fantasy
>>55387747
You worship Satan muslim scum.
>>55378050
thank you BB gun bobcat
>>55387666
>>55387715
Saladin dindu nuffin: the movie.
Why do so many /pol/acks hate on christianity? Is the general argument against christianity the fact that christians are docile and non-violent? Is it because Islam is the more militaristic abrahamic religion and therefore has the upper hand when in comes to them invading? I kind of understand where the anti-christian rhetoric comes from but Jesus was still very anti-jew, and Christianity is basically the antithesis to Talmudic Judaism. He did say "synagogue or satan" and whipped the merchants like a boss. Can someone give me a decent answer other than "dead kike on a stick"
>>55375331
>Agnostic master race reporting.
I don't know whether or not any Gods exist, and I'm not going to waste my brains pursuing any arbitrary belief that can't be empirically proven.
However, favor religion as a means to control the masses where the government cannot. Problem is, the population ought to be religiously homogeneous so as to prevent religious strife, so which religion shall it be? Certainly not the Abrahamic religions, considering how they promote ridiculous chastity and, in the case of Christianity, weakness. Ultimately, I prefer a pagan cult that promotes strength, productivity, discipline, and (responsible) fertility.
>>55375331
When after I was a Christian until my late 20's then became an atheist.
Deconverted Christian because Christianity makes no sense when you actually put in time to think about it.
>>55388063
you're looking at prods, traditional Catholics go on Crusades when it's needed for Christ's interest.
>>55388089
>and I'm not going to waste my brains pursuing any arbitrary belief that can't be empirically proven.
That means you're an atheist. An agnostic one, but still an atheist. Do not try to use difficult words just because you don't want some dickheads calling you a fedora.
>>55388089
Yea but I still think that the chastity and nuclear family is paramount for any civilization. A modified version of christianity thats more militaristic and defensive seems like the best option. We need to work with what we have (I still prefer christianity to paganism)
>>55388223
>implying the Crusades weren't fought by Christians because of dirty muslim scum kidnapping and raping and trying to invade Christian lands
>grow up in rift wing home
>become euphoric in 6th grade
>General contrarian amazing atheist type
>slowly progress towards more reasonable left leaning centrism, stop being autistic about religion by late freshman year in high school
>>55388319
Christianity has never been passive, we are peaceful when we are in peace, when we are in war there is nothing but struggle and fight, to die in Christs name is to know Kingdom.
>>55388319
Only Prods think they have to do nothing for the faith.
>>55375331
at age 14
>>55385908
You don't need to actually believe, as long as society believes then everything is fine
>>55388223
I'm a catholic but I think whatever glory they formerly had (crusades) has been tarnished by the jesuit/jew/whatever the fuck infiltration. I can never get behind the catholic church after seeing this pope promote faggotry and immigration. Catholics are not race conscious, full of diddlers and totally corrupt to shit. We need a new form of Christianity.
>>55388491
All must believe, believe past their lives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZujhoHZBsg
>>55388499
So a Re-Reformation?
>>55388499
They are occupants, we need an anti pope.
>>55388402
>>55388319
I never delved deep into the crusades. Can ya'll niggas send me some sauces? I get the general idea, I just wanna learn more
>>55388576
yea but a more militaristic form to combat the jew and his muslim pawns
>>55388089
Proud to be the reason for the fall of the west.
>agnosticism = apathy
Apathy towards the ultimate question and who is correct leads to apathy towards culture and civilization and towards which one is superior or inferior.
Thank you.
>>55388594
>https://www.youtube.com/user/RealCrusadeHistory/videos?flow=grid&view=0&sort=p
Pretty good channel.
>>55388594
The race of the elect suffers outrageous persecutions, and the impious race of the Saracens respects neither the virgins of the Lord nor the colleges of priests. They run over the weak and the elderly, they seize the children from their mothers so that they might forget, among the barbarians, the name of God. That perverse nation profanes the hospices … The temple of the Lord is treated like a criminal and the ornaments of the sanctuary are robbed.
“What more shall I say to you?
“We are disgraced, sons and brothers, who live in these days of calamities! Can we look at the world in this century reproved by Heaven to witness the desolation of the Holy City and remain in peace while it is so oppressed? Is it not preferable to die in war rather than suffer any longer so horrible a spectacle? Let us all weep for our faults that raise the divine ire, yes, let us weep… But let not our tears be like the seed thrown into the sand. Let the fire of our repentance raise up the Holy War and the love of our brethren lead us into combat. Let our lives be stronger than death to fight against the enemies of the Christian people.”
Do not cowardly stay in your homes
The Pontiff continued: “Warriors who hear my voice, you who will go to war, rejoice, because you are taking up a legitimate war … Arm yourselves with the sword of the Maccabees and go to defend the house of Israel who is the daughter of the Lord of Armies.
Crusaders rally
Receiving the Cross to deliver Jerusalem
“It is no longer a matter of avenging just the injuries made to men, but rather those made to God. It is no longer a matter of attacking a city or a castle, but of conquering the Holy Places. If you triumph, the blessings of Heaven and the kingdoms of Asia will be your reward. If you succumb, you will achieve the glory of dying in the same Land where Jesus Christ died, and God will not forget that He saw you in the Holy Militia.
http://www.traditioninaction.org/History/A_012_FirstCrusade_Urban.htm
>>55388707
Agnosticism is just cowardly atheism.
>>55375560
>Hitler was atheist, dumbfuck,
Actually he was roman-catholic like everyone in Alemannia.
>>55388707
the "ultimate question" is nonsense
just live your life
>>55375374
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/05/ben_carson_of_course_the_pyramids_are_ancient_grain_silos_dont_let_the_scientists_tell_you_otherwise/
>>55375331
I never believed in god in the first place.
>>55388771
Yes, and most atheists are really just agnostics with just a few loud true atheists.
>>55388786
culture, civilization and people are nonsense
just live your life
>>55388796
Not even surprised.
>>55384482
Your assertion that the earth is less than 45 million years old is refuted by evidence of pole reversals and seafloor spreading
>>55375331
I'm an athiest but I just call myself agnostic. Not gonna be a bible thumper or anything like that.
>>55388872
That's what you call Agnostic Atheism.
>>55388782
Based.
>>55388998
There is no such thing.
"Atheism" really just is a community with mostly agnostics with a few loudmouth true atheists at the top.
>>55388998
shut up with your meme garbage
funny how People who dont believe think they know morè about faith than someone who believes. protestantism mean what exaclt that to protest against christians and men of faith who falsely intèrpret the bible. catholics kept People iliterate an forced many horrible things in the middle ages. the Catholic church needs reform as do many Christians because they forget that we're all brothers in Christ
>>55389282
no, filthy prod you're going to hell, you don't truly believe in God.
>>55388771
Or basically they do not give a fuck like you do. And don't want to waste their time spreading the gospel of dawkins.
>>55388760
Oooohh, a whole playlist about Baldwin IV. Cool.
>>55389384
why so buttmad about dawkins, comrade?
>>55389374
Yes we do you muslim scum.
>>55388872
i didn't say culture and civ were nonsense
>>55389505
No, you don't.
>>55389130
oxford dictionary is now a fucking meme get the fuck out
>>55389384
It's called apatheism
To me god would be whatever behind an uncaused cause or "prime mover" and it has no effect on my life either way so why bother wasting time thinking about it?
Culture wise I suppose I'm still a mix of Jewish and Christian as I hold those values such as the 7 virtues
>>55375331
I never really gave a fuck, so never?
>>55383073
the two go hand in hand, anon. Atheism unfortunately breeds economic determinism and marxism. The average human isnt intelligent enough to lose religion yet still retain their moral integrity
>>55375331
Hitler was also a vegan and a failure as an author and artist. I can't for a second take him seriously when the only things he had going for himself was goon squads and dumb luck
>>55389777
Well many above-average humans are sick of being held to the lowest common denominators in human behavior.
>>55389777
Why? it's as simple as following the golden rule
>>55375331
Hitler was also a feminist's wet dream.
>>55385908
I fixed your list. There are only two religions in this world. Those who worship Christ and those who have devoted themselves to the Synagogue of Satan and the worship of Ba'alzebub under the banner of the star of Remphan.
>>55375331
I don't know. At what age did you grow out of ad hominem?
>>55389941
> Atheists
> Not the lowest common denominators
Even Nietzsche would be horrified at the poster children of this secularist society.
matthew 7:15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
>>55389455
I don't like secular humanists. They are just Christians that don't believe in God and can't admit it.
>>55390587
Christians arent humanists bro, their entire spiel is about ignoring their humanity and pretending they are jesus
>>55379103
rekt
>>55384376
did hitler have a tier list of the races or something
obviously it was
1. anglo saxons
2. nips
but what came after?
>>55390665
It's the humanists who are christians. They borrow moral values from christianity and believe them to just be self evident.
>>55389374
>Catholics literally believe in a bunch of books the authors specifically said were not cannon.
>Catholics changed all the holidays to fit pagan themes and dates.
>Catholics believe that Mary can hear prayers just like god, which is not stated anywhere in the bible.
Explain to me how protestants are the heathens.
>>55391122
He is a muslim. Don't bother.
>>55375331
End of freshman year
>>55375331
When i watched SEL
I'd say your muslim >>55391122
>>55391122
> Catholics believe that Mary can hear prayers just like god
> Implying it's just God and Our Lady who can hear them, and not the whole congregation of saints, angels, etc.
> Implying the souls in purgatory don't need your prayers.
> Not loving your Holy Mother and praying the rosary as she asked us to.
Get with the program, proddie. :)
>>55375331
Never particularly Euphoric, mostly just never gave a shit. Parents made me go to Sunday School when I was a kid, tried being religious, got bored decided to stop going to church and shit. Apatheism describes my beliefs best which boil down to
>God presumably isn't a colossal asshole
>If God is a colossal asshole than I shouldn't worship him
>If the first statement is true and God really cared if I worshiped him he would give me proof of his existence and that he wanted me to worship him
>If God doesn't care about me worshiping him than i will try to be an overall good person and hopefully should God exist he will reward me or not punish me or whatever
So if God isn't an asshole I just act like a decent person and I am fine and if he is an asshole than fuck him.
>>55375331
Hitler: "The plebs need religion so we can rule this motherfucker"
>>55390962
If they borrow moral values from christians then how do you explain the massive disparity in values between humanists and christians (or between christians and other christians, for that matter, since there isnt exactly a single unified set of values across christianity)
>>55392524
They don't borrow all of them, and there are many sects of christinanity. And they don't fiddle with all the moral implications of atheism.
>>55392935
>They don't borrow all of them
Just because you throw darts at a moral dartboard and happen to hit a bullseye doesnt mean that people are copying from you when they try to develop a rational morality independent from religion. And even if they do copy shit, its kind of irrelevant since the underpinnings and reasons for adopting a value/moral belief are more important than the source you originally heard the value from.
Probably when I was 14. Same age I grew out of the left wing phase too.
>>55388246
Atheism can't really be proven either. I call myself an agnostic because I don't know or care what the truth is - I might find out when I'm dead. I don't give a shit about what a NEET hugbox would like to say.
>>55388319
People should be responsible in their sexual (and all other forms of) behavior, but if you stop hiding behind the degeneracy card, it does no good to deny yourself harmless pleasure.
>>55388707
>>55388771
Nice strawman, retards.
Not looking to answer an impossible question doesn't equate to not caring about the shitstorm in my country and the ones in Europe. I live in the real world too, and I recommend you join us.
>>55393115
I don't like the values secular humanists have. I think they will lead to collapse because the they didn't evaluated their system thoroughly enough and just picked statements from Christianity and illuminism (which is basically Christianity) they though where self evident(read the humanist manifesto, it has no philosophical depth at all). Simple as that.
Examples:
equality, which ignores reality
men is born good, which ignores reality
>>55375331
Born atheist; die atheist
Hitler was an atheist you dumb fuck.
>>55381127
>Assuming intellectual high ground based on belief in one thing.
Sounds like somebody is a little insecure.
>>55394334
secular humanists (the non-retarded ones) choose values based on rational self interest/societal needs/rights, they arent just picking them because they seem self evident. If you are a secular humanist you choose not to murder people because murdering people causes harm to people.
Im not sure the humanist manifesto is a great place to start for secular humanism, since there are multiple versions, the earliest of which was explicitly religious. If you have a specific complaint maybe you can direct me to the version you are complaining about.
"Equality" - Are you talking about institutions and people treating people equally, or are you talking about the myth that every human is equal? One is an ideal which society should strive for and the other is clearly bunk.
"Men Born Good" - The concept of "good" in secular humanism relates to human welfare, not some independent scale of good vs. evil. There isn't really any such thing as good or evil, but we can in the context of human life identify "good" and "evil" as "things that are good for people" and "things that are bad for people" respectively. The challenge then becomes what exactly is bad or good for people. I doubt many secular humanists these days would say humans are born good, but they would also deny that humans are somehow born evil. Humans are born human, which implies an imperfect sentient awareness that is capable of logical thought and action but which is layered over an animal instinct. None of this is inherently good and evil and can be turned one way or another based on what they are exposed to in life
>>55381921
>>55381921
>A is related to B
>B is true
>Therefore A is also true
Yeah nah faggot, alchemy obeys the same laws as chemistry, so unless your tinfoil hat also discards that as fake, I'll just laugh and call you a retard, retard.
I've never believed in god. No sky-daddy will come to save us, we must save ourselves!
>>55396256
you just helped his point, not vise versa.
>>55391122
>The GREAT CLOUD OF WITNESSES and COMMUNION OF SAINTS can indeed hear our prayers.
>Protest-Christians still celebrate Christmas and Easter.
>Deuterocanon was in the Septuagint that Jesus and the Apostle's were all familiar with. Deuterocanon remained all the way through the printing of the Gutenberg Bible.
>The Prophet Luther (pbuh) also tried to remove Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from the Bible. If he had his way, Protestants would consider those "apocrypha" as well.
>>55396174
>Are you talking about institutions and people treating people equally, or are you talking about the myth that every human is equal? One is an ideal which society should strive for and the other is clearly bunk.
All of them. Why should institutions treat people equally? Why should society strive for equality?
>is capable of logical thought and action but which is layered over an animal instinct
You don't understand that humanity IS animal instinct. Logical thinking is just a tool like a computer. There is nothing transcendent about it.
> but we can in the context of human life identify "good" and "evil" as "things that are good for people" and "things that are bad for people"
Why should I care what's good for other people? Why should I be an utilitarian?
>>55387204
You should try reading other books that aren't the bible. You absorb all lies of creationists without even researching what is evolution.
>>55397271
In two parts because of length, oh boy:
Equality of treatment in institutions, so that people have equal access to things like mortgage loans and education based on their merit and not the color of their skin, this is something we still have problems with and almost every year large banks settle prosecutions over their racist practices. Regardless of whether a race or sex as a whole is better or worse intellectually or physically, when institutions like banks or the police or whoever interact with the populace, they are interacting with individuals, not entire statistical chunks of the population, while interacting with individuals it is completely improper to treat them as if they were not worth what they are worth simply because they were born into some minority that is statistically not as good as another one. Thats why institutions should be required to treat people equally.
>>55397906
>>55397271
And:
>You don't understand that humanity IS animal instinct. Logical thinking is just a tool like a computer. There is nothing transcendent about it.
Except that I literally just said there is animal instinct in human beings, in the quote you just greentexted and replied to. Nor did I imply anywhere that there was something trancendent or magical about logical thinking, so you seem to be replying to something that isnt me here.
>Why should I care what's good for other people?
You live around other people on a daily basis, other people make your food, other people provide your internet connection, other people steal from you, other people marry your daughter, other people are all around you. When these other people have better lives, you will tend to have a better life too. Caring about whats good for other people is directly equivalent to caring about yourself, you just dont see the effects as clearly.
>Why should I be an utilitarian?
Why shouldn't you be? If you want to live in a society and not be a cunt, utilitarianism provides the framework that gives you the maximally good society where the most people possible are as happy as possible.
>>55397933
>>55397906
I understand the practical results of equality. But there is nothing imperative about it and there is no reason to abdicate of any privilege I might have if that was the case.
>You live around other people on a daily basis, other people make your food, other people provide your internet connection, other people steal from you, other people marry your daughter, other people are all around you.
Interdependence, but what if they were all slaves, why should I care?
You see, I can go on and on with this nihilism in a secular humanist framework. That's why I think it's just doomed to failure. I personally endorse a lot of it, but there is nothing that convince me that others would.
>>55389777
this
>>55390127
its the star of david, and jesus told he is a son of david, so why the fuck should this symbol be evil, that doesnt make any sense. it the pentagramm, not the star of david ffs.
>>55399181
>But there is nothing imperative about it and there is no reason to abdicate of any privilege I might have if that was the case.
If you are ok with contributing to an inherently unfair and unmeritocratic society, then no there is no reason to value equality or practice it.
>Interdependence, but what if they were all slaves, why should I care?
Ill humor you if you want to be rediculous: Miserable slaves are more likely to rebel and murder you. Happier slaves will be more inclined to work and even work creatively. Of course slavery itself is obscenely harmful since it revokes freedom and imposes work, so in a secular humanist society would not exist.
>You see, I can go on and on with this nihilism in a secular humanist framework. That's why I think it's just doomed to failure.
Nihilism isn't part of secular humanism, because while it does reject religious basis for its beliefs, the other central tenets of nihilism (life is meaningless and rejection of morality) are not part of secular humanism.
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>unfair and unmeritocratic
What is justice/merit? The postmodernists won't shut up on how society is not meritocratic thanks to their socioconstructivist BS.
>"Of course slavery itself is obscenely harmful since it revokes freedom and imposes work"
There are people that can't handle their freedom and that just won't work. What would you do in such case? Of course happier slaves will be more inclined to work and even work creatively, most slaves were probably treated in such manner. If it was the case that slavery lead to a better utilitarian outcome you'd have an contradiction.
>Nihilism isn't part of secular humanism, because while it does reject religious basis for its beliefs, the other central tenets of nihilism (life is meaningless and rejection of morality) are not part of secular humanism.
I am talking from a sociological standpoint, will secular humanism lead to rampant nihilism in society?
Another thing, the UN is based on many humanist principles and it has been a miserable failure.(mainly because it want to be an empire and give self determination to peoples at the same time).
For curiosity sake, do secular humanists believe in forceful proselytism? That you have the duty to stop other people from violating your principles, like conquering a civilization somewhere that sacrifices people to Baal.
