Report confirms 'one-week defence' analysis
http://www.thelocal.se/20130215/46212
>A new academic report has thrown its weight behind the statement by commander-in-chief Sverker Göranson who recently said Sweden could only fend off an invasion for maximum one week.
>The report echoed comments made by armed forces chief Göranson in the media in early January, when he said the country would only be able to hold off an attack for "about a week", following repeated cuts to the defence budget.
>"We think the military does not have a credible ability to defend all of Sweden," the report authors noted.
>"In the event of a possible attack against Sweden, we would always need help from abroad."
>"We think that the authorities should rapidly study the conditions and possibilities of obtaining such assistance," it read.
>"So that any potential crisis in the Baltic region can quickly be resolved, thereby avoiding any act of war from being undertaken."
>The Academy highlighted a lack of personnel, logistic capacity to supply troops, anti-air defence, anti-tank weapons and aircraft.
>It further noted that the Swedish military's increased engagement on foreign missions had shifted the focus away from domestic defence.
>The report singled out the Baltic Sea island of Gotland, located between southern Sweden and Latvia, as particularly strategic and vulnerable.
>It said, however, that "the military's capacity for international operations is good, even excellent."
>In Sweden's 2013 budget, the defence allowance accounts for only 1.2 percent of gross domestic product, a level that has been in continuous decline. In 2007, it was 1.5 percent.
>>55332064
I think their defence policity is to become undesirable target to invade. I mean, who would want all those mudslims and sjws?
>>55332064
Anyone in the Midwest wanna form a small Militia and go take over Sweden?
>>55332064
Does it even matter at this point?
>>55332064
sweden has already been invaded, they didn't last a week, they didn't last a minute, they actually paid to be invaded
>>55332064
>Defend an invasion for a week
>Has been invaded by immigrants for how long
Uh, Meat grinder warfare has been pretty much dead since WWII.
>>55332064
Kek
>>55332263
Im NY and would love to do this. As long as we remove kebab and afros.
>>55332392
wasn't this guy danish?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AprqomTW-Wo
This ad is simply discouraging. Who is going to enlist after seeing this?
most countries in western europe don't bother to maintain a military, under the assumption that america will protect them. the exceptions being the UK and france - despite being the least likely to ever get invaded, we have rocks in the atlantic that need defending.
the eastern countries spend a bit more because they're afraid of russia.
>>55332453
>NY
Fucking kek. Your gun laws are even more fucked than ours. You don't even get to own suppressors, muzzle brakes or threaded barrels at all.
>>55332064
>commander-in-chief Sverker Göranson who recently said Sweden could only fend off an invasion for maximum one week.
well, thats one week more than i thought
>>55332224
Germany seems to be having the same defense
>>55332392
GOD DAMN IT IT'S JUST A FUCKING 223, ONE OF THE THE MOST RETARDED WEAK BABY LITTLE PUSSY CENTERFIRE RIFLE CARTRIDGES EVER MADE.
My keyboard has one of those old-ass latching caps lock keys. It's best keyboard in the world.
>>55332619
>We can offer you reality aka the bullshit that soldiers hate more than even dying in shitholestan
who the fuck thought this ad was a good idea
>>55333216
A lot of people on youtube (specially pacifists), you can see how many 'likes'. Tumblr's ideology is expanding.
>>55332224
No, Sweden is like the planet Tivoli from Doctor Who.
When someone wants to invade they roll out the red carpet.
By not resisting they hope their invader will be kind.
>>55332392
>>55333412
>Tivoli was the most conquered planet in the galaxy. It was inhabited by a species of rodent-like humanoids. They were one of the oldest civilisations in the galaxy and simply let invaders do as they wished. Their anthem was "Glory To <Insert Name Here>" and their cities were designed to be comfortable for the invading armies. It was green in color when seen from space. (TV: The God Complex) Its capital city had a sign saying "If you occupied us, you'd be home by now." (TV: Before the Flood)
>>55333160
I didn't watch that particular episode of Gay Army, but it took place on a US .mil base. I'm assuming it was 5.56 NEATO. Anyway while I think there is a noticeable difference in recoil, neither case is very significant, even for novices.
>>55332535
Implying you're not all one and the same
>>55332619
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>we can't offer you an epic scene in which models pose like Marines
HE ASSUMES THE MARINES IN OUR ADS ARE MODELS JESUS CHRIST SWEDEN WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK GOD DAMNIT
>>55332064
>opening declaring that your country can't hold an invasion force for more than a week
Swedes are just asking to be invaded and liberated for the lefties, based Putin your time is now.
>>55333160
>>55333689
I think that the story behind that gif is that the man has a phobia of guns, so they let him try one and see if he could overcome it.
>>55333897
what if it's just a ruse
>>55332224
I think you're onto something m8
>>55333897
How many European countries do you think can last more than a week against Russia? NATO help not included.
Russian takeover would be a benefit.
>>55332064
We will soon join NATO either way, so who gives a shit.
>>55334062
That's true in part, because Sweden is not a NATO country. It's posible that Spain can't defense against Russia during much time, but at least we are under NATO's umbrella.
At least we're not spain
>>55334191
Your leftist are not against that?
>>55334328
The longer I look at this, the worse it gets.
>>55334062
I hope all of you faggots get burnt at the stake and Russia tells the muslims to cause internal strife so you are caught between slavs and muslims. Then Russia gifts Sweden to the muslims and you get fucked. Since all you pansy faggots talk shit about the USA when we are your only hope. We are your body guard and you shit on us. You ever think about that? The only reason you have any social support in society is because we pay your military bill. Fuck off you Sweden fuck. God damn welfare queen sucking off USA tits.
>>55334285
The reason why NATO should not be accounted for is because at that point it's no longer your military and you are part of an alliance, and my question is clear. How long can your military hold out.
>>55334436
why so mad though?
Lol
>>55334328
Don't laugh, it's our future soldier program. We are solving some problems yet, like how to run with all of this shit.
>>55334062
we would last until Russia would collapse on the costs of war.
>>55333526
This would have been perfect of the shotgun had fallen and hit him in the face
>>55334328
>Spanish army
But I saw the same picture being used to bash the Polish army.
>>55334436
>The only reason you have any social support in society is because we pay your military bill.
No you don't
>>55334489
You're one lazy troll. You could at least try to be convincing. Why do you waste so much time at doing something you suck at?
>>55332224
>I think their defence policity is to become undesirable target to invade.
This is quite literally the ''military doctrine'' of Sweden, or atleast it used to be during the cold war I think. The idea was that the swedish state would allow so much foreign investment in Sweden, that the idea of destabilizing Sweden would become unattractive to all sides equally.
>>55334489
is it programmed to stop working between 13.00-17.00?
>>55334574
>But I saw the same picture being used to bash the Polish army.
That was a fake picture then because this is a picture from spain. Get your shit together. Don't act like the average /pol/ack who believe anything they read on the internet. Dumkäft.
>>55334346
The majority of our population are braindead mainstreamers, which means they follows what the other people follows.
The most current "Join NATO" poll showed that a majority of the swedish population wants Sweden to join NATO, yes..
>>55332064
>sewden
>invasion
>fend off
they just let them in
>>55334466
Well, our threats (Morocco and Algeria) are weakest than us. According our officers we can maintain or retake Ceuta, Melilla and the Canary Islands with our current forces.
>>55334574
We pay it indirectly with supplying so much for nato. Since you have us to back your shit up you don't have to pay for it. So in a sense our existence means you pay less to the military. So that is "paying your military bill" because you depend on us so you can put that money elsewhere. Imagine it like America provides a cafeteria with decent food everyday. You simply eat the shitty stuff we provide and splurge on tasty snacks with your money, because your basic needs are provided. Your social services and free college are the tasty snacks, and the basic part of your diet that keeps you alive is America pumping your stomach full of our semen you fucking slut.
>>55334702
joining nato would be a very bad mistake.
We gain nothing from it.
Our weapon exports would probably also be weakened by it.
Russia has to go through baltics still if they want to take us, and they are already in nato...
>>55334726
Holy shit are retarded americans still spreading the ''murica is protecting u so u can use money for welfare'' maymay?
You have no fucking idea what the monetary or budget situation looks like in Sweden, dearly shut the fuck up you retarded motherfucker.
protip: Sweden currently pours 4 times more money into immigration than to defense, school and health COMBINED.
protip #2: we're militarily occupied by NATO, by ''we'' I mean Europe. You're not defendinf us, you're occupying us against the will of the european peoples.
>>55334605
It's called sense of humor.
>>55334528
>shotgun
It's a bb gun.
>>55334834
Försök inte argumentera med amerikaner. Dem tror hela världen ser dem som en gud.
>>55334834
Would you rather have America that allows you to slowly destroy your culture by letting in faggot muslims or Ivan Ruskie who slowly destroys your moms asshole with his icy cock? Take your pick faggot. You either lose everything to Russia or fight within small inconsequential countries smaller than a state in Europe. America is your best option. I'll take your response as a thank you.
>>55334874
If i wanted to laugh i'd rent a boat with a glass floor so i could look at the spanish aramada at the bottom of the sea.
Everyone who is slightly based and have some national pride still in them is against a Swedish NATO membership
>>55332064
Socialism: Not even once.
>>55332064
Sweden has spent the last 10 years being invaded......
>>55332804
>the least likely to ever get invaded
are u having a giggle m8
>>55333897
*from lefties
FTFY
>>55334574
so come defend them you goddamned ameriturd
they are getting invaded right now
you are all words, no action
liberate sweden now or stfu.
>>55334370
Our future soldier crap is just as gay and impractical. It's all welfare for defense contractors.
>>55334832
I don't even think Russia would "invade" us either.
The only reason they would do it would be to capture Gotland, nothing else.. and that would bring the whole world against Russia... so what's the point in them doing it?
I have never and will never support a NATO membership.
>>55335157
oops that was for >>55334436
>>55334832
>Russia has to go through baltics still if they want to take us, and they are already in nato..
Or Finland, they could also attack by sea.
>>55335174
>The military should never experiment with new concepts, ever.
>>55334832
>Russia has to go through baltics still if they want to take us, and they are already in nato...
No they don't, they got sea access trough St Petersburg. They can also always go to war with Finland at the same time without involving NATO.
The Baltic Sea are greenwaters, Russia got the capabilities to project force across that.
>>55334832
you know that the russia invading meme is a fear mongering propaganda used by right wing and now by left wing cukcs
>>55335327
By your logic the russians will annex finnmark next. Do you seriously believe that will happen?
>>55334834
You clearly have no idea how international relations works. Power seeks a vacuum. If the United States were absent from Europe, another power would fill that vacuum. Seeing as how every single time that has happened in modern times a catastrophic world war has broken out, it is in the best interest of everyone for the United States to maintain its dominance in Europe.
>>55335381
>right wing and now by left wing
Fuck this Jew Masquerade.
>>55335381
yupp, pretty much.
More chance of EU invading us when SD wins majority in 2018.
But countries with a big part of the population speaking russian should beware. East ukraine and krim is a good example. So Finland and poland are safe, Baltics are in a worse situation.
I'm very surprised. A week seems optimistic.
>>55334062
>>55334466
Sure, sure. But keep it in perspective. Sweden isn't a part of NATO. And Russia regularly practices for invading Sweden, unlike say, Spain. And Russia and Sweden have thrown down in the past.
>>55332619
For comparison, a USMC ad from some years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDZ2fMHTvwk
>>55335044
The bigger question long term is if the EU wants a unified military with no help/interference from the US. Something big enough that it could go toe to to with Russia.
>>55335174
Maybe all that electronic crap will be more useful when they stick it onto drones.
>>55335174
I don't even know where to begin on this gay ass contribution to the discussion.
How much you want to bet that their government will use that as an excuse to abolish their military entirely?
>It wont work anyway so why bother?
A Russian attack on our kingdom would proceed as following;
>bomb raid on Stockholm in hope of Swedish surrender
>followed by invasion of Gotland aka the unsinkable air craft carrier
>paratroopers dropped over Gothenburg supported by air raids
>tanks and mobile artillery rolling in from north of Finland
However an attack on Sweden would be a poor decision of Putin since it would start WWIII and ruski would get slaughtered by NATO and based Balkan. A Swedish NATO membership is therefore not necessarily.
One week is a week longer than we could hold off any invasion, so don't feel too bad Sweden.
>>55334669
Kek
Underated post
>>55332353
>Tweeted from my Huawei
>Mandarin to English translation provided by Bing (TM)
>>55335789
Ever since the fall of Soviet our country has felt a lot safer. Today, it's different and our military is slowly growing again.
>>55335823
Or maybe they can just let you collapse first?
And then just enter with the largest golden chain around their neck to justify dominance over all the Jamals or something.
>>55332224
you can`t invade a country like sweden or germany. They simply greet any army with "soldiers welcome" signs and pay them or let them have some sex for free.
Having an army to attack foreign invaders is fucking racist and will not be tolerated by eu law.
>>55335933
>golden chain
spoken like a true slav
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5gEh8DfXGo
>>55335933
If you would invade us to purify us and remove kebab in order to save the white race I would gladly support you and fight by your side
>Being worried about a russian invasion and how to defend against one while your being invaded, raped and killed by a 500k strong unarmed army as we speak.
>>55335511
Pretty much this, unless you Euro bros elect your nationalist parties and shake up the budget, I expect Ivan to take you in a manly fashion were it not for America
>>55332064
Who the fuck would ever want Sweden?
>Cut defense spending
>We w ww we cant defende ourselfs
>MM Muh NATO
NATO is a terrorist organization and can go fuck themself.
>>55335421
>By your logic the russians will annex finnmark next. Do you seriously believe that will happen?
Invading Finnmark means invading a NATO country, invading Finland or Sweden on the other hand doesn't.
I doubt the Russians are going to pick a fight with NATO, if they are then it's the fucking endtimes and were fucked anyway.
>>55334832
Implying Russia won't come to you after your SJW government commits some sort of act of war against them because Russia is mean to gays and they're high on dat "feminister utrikespolitik"
>>55332224
You think this is a joke.
It's not.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/13/swedish-peace-group-trolls-russian-submarines-with-gay-defence-system
>>55336116
NATO is the only thing preventing World War III from breaking out, friend.
>>55335922
top bantz
>>55336221
NATO is one of the reasons WW3 will happen
>>55332805
Is that a high capacity assault clip?? YOU'RE GOING TO JAIL
Hahaha oh God, don't change Jew York
>>55336221
I bet you also think Israel is our greatest ally.
>>55335286
>>The military should never experiment with transsexual concepts, ever.
FTFY.
Pic related: your computer desktop.
We should invade
>>55336127
It's pretty cute though, isn't it. You think that nato cares about you, do you think that USA would risk total war for latvia? For norway? No, you're unimportant in the world of realpolitik.
Enjoy being Obamas pawn.
>>55336329
But Norway has oil
V4 should invade, cleanse and partition Swedenistan. Those kekolds aren't even in NATO
>>55336154
russia doesn't even want us. We are unnecessary headache. They don't need our reasources either.
Putin isn't stupid. Also finland is in the way.
Americans don't understand russians or putin, that's why they play you guys like a fiddle.
>>55335743
How about by trying to figure out what the hell the militaries of the world are thinking?
I mean fuck, half the ex-milfags I meet can't even properly read a map. No longer this man's army. Motorhome infantry HOOOOOOO!
>>55335823
>A Swedish NATO membership is therefore not necessarily.
>http://www.thelocal.se/20130114/45608
>Nato Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen visited the annual defence conference in the Swedish mountains on Monday, telling the press "you cannot stand outside Nato but still want everything it offers".
>You cannot be outside Nato but want everything that Nato can give
If you want the cake you need to help baking it
>>55336175
I can only imagine what a full scale war on Sweden would look like.
Do not fret. We can always expand our army with conscripts from the young and healthy male swedish population.
>>55336431
NATO is useless for us.
I wouldn't expect a polak to understand...
>>55336431
But Indonesia, why would we into the natos? The Lisbon treaty already makes it so that other EU member states have to defend any member, if attacked.
Do you like being a bitch? Because joining NATO is how you become a bitch.
>>55336116
Nope NATO is pushing for WWIII be being warmongering aggressive cunts , that goes for your ape to president delivering nukes to Germoney.
>>55336495
Still not as good as Gayckt in his prime, take more estrogen supplements to match your Mongoloid forebears
>>55336464
We don't fucking want your cake cunt.
Alliance with america will only make our problems bigger....
Our neo-liberal globalist politicians want nato, because they are treacherous swines.
They also want to abolish the nation state completely...
>>55336514
>NATO is useless. Period.
Ftfy
>>55332619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inSzBLaTiNI
>>55332064
All these scandalous reports are full of shit. Sweden has high tech military with a lower number of personnel but it had mandatory service a few years ago and the logistical structure to train masses of men are still there.
Then again I'm not surprised that /pol/ retards bite the bait so hard :)
>>55336467
>I can only imagine what a full scale war on Sweden would look like.
There's a full-on Middle Ages style Islamic invasion taking place this very moment in Europe. It is war.
Nobody with a real actual military would bother to fight Sweden when they can just wait a few months and the whole place will implode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ4zhEfjXqA
>>55336116
Hey Achmed
Serious question: Why would anyone bother to invade sweden in the first place?
>>55336744
>being this retarded
Hint, geographics is one example
>>55336451
He's trying to upsurp the US position in the world via mideast hijinx, exploiting our massive debt, and reliance on the petrodollar. He sees the US as the biggest threat to world peace as he was an officer in the KGB during Able Archer. His deals with Iran, Syria and China are setting up the next phase
>>55336451
I'm just banting Sven
But seriously you guys need to be preparing yourselves. If America suffers economic collapse (possible) or Europe suffers economic collapse/racial unrest/EU breakup (also possible) Sweden will be a frontline, both because of your internal Abdul hive and because of Ivan across that lil creek you call the Baltic
>inb4 US-EU economic meltdown, mass ethnic unrest & guerrilla warfare across Europe & Russian intervention to "stabilize" chaotic Abdul-infested Sweden
>>55336744
For the same reason you bothered to invaded Afghanistan
Why did you invaded Afghanistan?
>next financial meltdown comes
>no food and finance for the citizens let alone refugees
>thousands of militants among the immigrants
>euokeks can't defend themselves
I only pity swedish women
>>55337014
>For the same reason you bothered to invaded Afghanistan
To kill muslims?
>>55336744
Ask ten million African Muslims. They already invaded.
My guess is the free neetbux, easy pussy, and little to no criminal punishment for rapes and murders.
I mean if given half the chance to move to a country that would pay you ten thousand times your average yearly income, and give you free housing, food, education, medical care, and would even let you put your dick in any broad no matter how hard she struggled, would you?
>>55335823
NATO opposes Crimea's annexation. But won't risk a war with Russia for it.
![youaregay[1].jpg_itok=oxO5ZdY-.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CFk4eqi.jpg "youaregay[1].jpg_itok=oxO5ZdY-.jpg")
>>55336175
Seeing that thing, which is hilarious in and of itself gives me an idea for another unconventional play by Russia. Just spitballing. Nothing serious.
Russians, particularly former soldiers start going to Sweden en mass and claim refugee status because they're persecuted for their gayness.
Once they have a critical mass, they replace the government with a russia friendly one. Or demand independence for Gotland.
Gotland has what, 50k people total?
>>55337014
Rare earths, catch a Bin Laden establish bases east of Iran, South of Russia and West of China
>>55337027
>I only pity swedish women
Why? They overwhelmingly support the new rape gangs.
Pic related: This girl posted a thousand snaps like this and then got mad when people thought she was a whore. What's one thing have to do with the next? I dunno...
>>55335714
Got to hand it to the Marines. They are trying to their best to appeal to the video game generation.
>>55336987
then let him fucking usurp it, His economy is in the tank and your millitary expenditure amounts to the next 20 top biggest militaries combined.
Just focus on economic dominance like china.
Dropping trillions on wars in iraq and afghanistan has given you nothing.
The amount taxes that go to war is crazy in america, and i thought you guys hated socialist taxes...
Russia won't control shit, they are completely dependent on china.
China has all the power now.
>>55336315
why? do you want all those immigrants?
>>55333412
wtf happened to Sweden? how could a nation of former vikings be so kucked as a people?
>>55337014
>>55337042
>>55337107
opium niggers
>>55337180
You got a link to the album or sauce?
>>55337180
Sweet god that camel toe.
>>55337411
0.013%
>>55337411
>MUH vikings
I don't get this argument, not only were vikings the original noble savages but they were also better merchants them what they were warriors.
>>55337215
They want kids from rural areas the most but lots of rural people don't want to go into a Marine Corps full of faggots, trannies, and affirmative action promotions.
Pretty soon the military will just be gays and gang bangers. Pic related: graduation ceremony from basic.
>>55336639
Fuck!
It's a Saab 29.
Someone knows The Scandinavian Front (Strike Fighter 2 mod)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkQBudIwXZg
>>55336329
>implying the United States didn't deploy hundreds of troops to Eastern Europe after Russia invaded Ukraine
>implying the U.S. military didn't conduct exercises miles from the Russian border
>implying the U.S. military isn't currently in Ukraine
It is in the geopolitical interest of the United States to maintain its influence in Europe and to keep other great powers out. The United States has the military capability to defend its geopolitical interests. If Russia encroaches any further on European land, it will be met with force. Whether or not it is a joint NATO response or a unilateral American one depends on the rest of Europe. But there will be a response.
>>55337435
Yeah I had to save that one for some reason. I rarely save pictures of lovely girls but I knew it'd come in handy one day.
>>55337719
>>implying the United States didn't deploy hundreds of troops to Eastern Europe after Russia invaded Ukraine
>>implying the U.S. military didn't conduct exercises miles from the Russian border
>>implying the U.S. military isn't currently in Ukraine
So what we did was make a lot of noise but no action that actually had any impact?
How the fuck can you pretend we did anything? A pledge was made to the kikes in Kiev that we'd STOP ANY AGGRESSIVE MOVES BY RUSSIA.
We made the same promise to this fag too and look how well we followed through.
Go back to basic you gay-ass info warrior.
>>55332064
>"In the event of a possible attack against Sweden, we would always need help from abroad."
>>55332064
>Sweden - Report confirms 'one-week defence' analysis
That's because they've spent all the money on their coveted space program.
>>55337931
>le edgy gif
The only reason anyone would attack swedistan is because the US keeps swatting hornets nests and reatreating back over their oceans, letting us deal with the fallout. Be a man for once, don't run away like a little girl, the way you handled every conflict since WWII.
>Bad USA, spend too much on military and not enough on social programs!
>Please defend us USA, we have not the military to defend ourself from outside aggression!
>>55338087
Calm down Sweden.
>>55337906
When super powers "make noise", it is more than just for show. Those actions were a message to Russia. Not only that, but in the off chance that Russia decided to pull the same "little green men" shit in Estonia, we would have been forced to involve ourselves (due to the fact that our soldiers were already stationed there. This is one of the reasons why we had troops in Germany during the Cold War. A Russian invasion of Europe would pretty much ensure American casualties, which would then force us into fighting a defensive war with them. This guarantee of war helped to serve as a deterrent to further Russian expansion).
Also, neither Ukraine nor Georgia are/were members of NATO, and thus you cannot compare any agreements made with them with those made through NATO.
>>55338790
NATO is becoming a joke.
50% of Europeans don't think their countries should defend another NATO ally if they are attacked.
Yet they all expect the US to come to their rescue if it is them that gets attacked.
http://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/?fa=60389
Meanwhile sveden has so many muslims it could form a second ISIS against any invader
>>55339092
I'm going to be called a good goy but I love NATO and really wish we faggot europeans did more, but blowing our cash on sandniggers "refugees" seems more important for some reason.
>>55338790
>When super powers "make noise", it is more than just for show.
Except we just make noise. We haven't confronted a powerful opponent since WWII, and we still manage to get our asses handed to us.
Russia got the message when we failed to defend Georgia, when we failed to defend the Crimea, and so on. The noise we make is for the benefit of the idiotic countries that still think we will rush over and save them if something goes wrong.
NATO is finished.
>>55339092
Because there's no prospect of war among countries in Europe. Nato is useless cost in these circumstances.
>>55339432
Keep telling yourself that. Keep on cutting your defence budgets and keep on driving to the US away from Europe and towards Asia.
Then see what the prospect of war looks like.
>>55339432
This is an absurd assumption that fails to take into account thousands of years of history and widely accepted political theories that say otherwise. Right now, the European Union, NATO, and US hegemony are the only things keeping Europe from entering a state in which war is possible amongst different European nations. None of those three things is guaranteed and at least one of them is very likely only temporary.
>>55339881
Finland is not a Nato member and we have never relied on US help on anything. The prospect of war looks similar whatever you do.
>>55339432
Without NATO there to be the big guy in town, Euros would be slitting each others throats in less than a week, for better or worse.
>>55339906
How about you list those theories so I can read about them. I doubt they exist. Also do you seriously think that European countries start having wars the second Nato is gone? Nuh uh the current world doesn't work like that. Everyone is so dependant on each other via trade that wars would be totally pointless. Even Russia is totally dependant on selling energy to Europe. You post reeks of this old mentality that died long ago.
>>55340212
Didn't Finland lose some territory 70 years ago because of some aggressive neighbor? Did that neighbor disappear?
>>55339906
Look we found a kike shill.
>>55340441
Trade may be a deterrent for conventional war, but it wont help you one bit when little green men come to take over one of your cities in the dead of night.
Or maybe they'll take the Chinese approach and steal all your trade secrets so you no longer have anything of value?
Maybe they'll launch an attack on your power grid and hold your economy hostage?
None of that will happen of course, because you have NATO and a hefty supply of nukes as a guarantor to European safety.
>>55340441
You realize: people said that exact same thing right before WW1?
>>55340441
>http://www.e-ir.info/2010/02/15/the-political-realism-of-thucydides-and-thomas-hobbes/
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_realism
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_realism
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tragedy_of_Great_Power_Politics
These theories pretty much govern the entire conduct of geopolitics
>>55340865
Every country is preparing for hybrid warfare nowadays. Pic related it's the Latvians.
>>55340966
No they didn't. Oh my God don't be that stupid the tensions were overflowing before WWI and colonial powers had little to care about trading with other European countries.
Well, that's really fucking great when you compare their situation to Brazil...
http://www.brazzil.com/component/content/article?id=12921:one-hour-of-war-thats-all-brazil-has-ammunition-for.html
>>55341162
>Every country is preparing for hybrid warfare nowadays
True, but the best defence against hybrid war is having a superior conventional or even nuclear deterrent.
>>55341139
Did you read that wiki page about offensive realism? There's a huge sub section about how it's not applicable to modern world. Still waiting that huge list of theories.
>>55341139
Gosh I hope you're just an enlisted boot licker and not an officer.
If you are an officer may you get fragged or suffer the Information Operations equivalent - having your microwave burrito explode on you.
So proud of my military today.
>>55340676
This will probably confuse your simple mid, but I consider John Mearsheimer to be the foremost scholar on international relations. I don't expect you to have any idea who he is, but I think you'll enjoy this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Foreign_Policy
The world is not as simple as you want it to be, my friend.
>>55332224
>liberals advise girls getting raped to shit/piss their pants
>liberal land is filling its borders with shit and piss people
They are clearly more scared of russia than we had first thought
>>55340564
There is no reason for Putin or any other Russian leader to fuck with Finland
>>55336744
Minerals
>>55341139
You can list of any number of wikipedia theories that support whatever view of geopolitics you like.
This post doesn't prove shit. Your view of Europe is very skewed
>>55336001
> that vid
Is that Swedish culture? Why are kids making vids about this stupid shit. This trend must be the worst ever. Same with hipster shit. That look is just fucking ugly. Emo could at least look hot as fuck with pale skin and blue eyes but hipster is just trash all around.
>>55341162
Why trade when you can conquer and enrich yourself even more? Trade has been around forever and yet great powers still invaded when they had a chance.
>>55332619
Jesus Christ, just end yourself Sweden. Even our Military Police ad has some dignity (maybe because it is one of the most dangerous jobs in the planet, but that is another story): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VknWbROxyxo
>>55342766
on the planet*
>>55342033
You fail to realize that the European Union's entire existence was predicated on the fact that it would ensure European cohesion and thus prevent another continental war from breaking out. The EU allows for individual European states to act without the uncertainty that generally defines global politics and which is one of the main causes of military escalation and eventually war. Without the ruling structure and cohesion provided by the EU, there's 0 reason to believe that we wouldn't be right back where we were 100 years ago.
>>55339380
>Defend Crimea from Russians.
>Defend ethnic Russian majority region from their Russian majority regional administration who asks Russia to join back to the country.
>Defend etnic Russian majority region from Russians who already have naval base in region since 1783...
I'm ok with this. I'm just don't know american history very clearly too.
>>55343193
And considering the EU is getting weaker and weaker, it's entirely possible that this is the position we will find ourselves in. Again, disagree with me as much as you like, but you are doing so from a position of ignorance and a desire to see the world differently than the way it truly is.
>>55335714
>For comparison, a USMC ad from some years ago.
This ad is 100% Legends of the Hidden Temple. 10/10
>>55337096
So like the 60s-70s in America, but they actually launch the invasion instead of plan for it
Soon to be targets of American built F-35s. Like the Americans will say, "just like a turkey shoot, son!"
>>55344708
And by that I mean gib clay back Sweden!
>>55333964
Then you guys are really fucken good at hiding stuff...
so I see they're trying to shift public attention from the ethnic cleansing of native swedes to le ryssland boogeyman? the only thing that's gonna get invaded in the near future are swedish girls' pussies and mouths.
>>55336464
You and fucking Fogh are retarded. I wouldn't be surprised if you are his kid or whatnot.
>>55332064
What an SJW reads
>Great, world peace is sure to follow if we just slip in some more Muslims
What I read
>We know we fucked up, this is a plea to any country of liberty, save us before it's too late! Look how easy we are to invade, do it now before the niggers
>>55343258
>>55339380
people in the west don't understand how important the stevaspol base in crimea is for russian self defense. crimea has to be russian for strategic reasons let alone that is historically a part of russia
>>55332815
kek
>>55332224
Fucking This.
Russia should, BUILD WALL
>>55332064
>tl;dr gib money, join NATO, ebil ruskies invading us help
I wonder why they welcome already ongoing negro/muslim and further american invasion, but don't like idea about russian invasion? Or is it just that libertards, as always, so much don't like to face reality that instead fighting against imaginable threats?
>>55332064
>only be able to hold off an attack for "about a week"
They've already been attacked and invaded.
>>55335098
France is a nuclear superpower. Nobody fucks with france anymore for that reason
Well, with that report validated, it is clear what must be done: Sweden must ally itself with Russia in a defense pact so it can last longer than a week in case of invasion by America.
>>55335823
NATO wont do shit to save your dumb asses.
>>55352244
>Implying that they wouldn't leap at the chance to have a war in Scandinavia.
Seriously i hope we don't help sweden if they ever find themselves in a war with Russia. They would never help us anyway.
No way Russia would ever want mainland sweden. It's all about the islands in the balitic ocean.
