Aight /pol/ give me your take on COMMUNISM. Potential, failures and stuff like that.
Communism is death.
Communism is just a bump on the road to freedom.
>>55231001
Maybe try extrapolating on that point?
>>55231082
Tell me, then, what is freedom?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBfT0pi0cMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaBpVzOohs
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/921_frankfurt.html
https://pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/Illumina%20Folder/kell24.htm
http://www.bamidbar-journal.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Introduction-prt.pdf
http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/holiness-sin-freud-frankfurt-school-and-kabbalah
Communism is the cartoonish implementation of "family" on a whole country. There's a "dad" and a "mom" and you live in "their house" and your brother can have anything that you consider your own, if mom or dad say he can have it, and so long as you live "under their roof" you will follow their rules, and there's a curfew so you can't stay out too late. And leaving outright means you'll never get to talk to any of your "family" ever again. Also, you believe what your parents believe, even if it's strictest atheism, it's how you're raised.
>Potential
None
>failures
All of them
>Be Lenin
>read marx's books
>Otherthrows state
>Implants centralised economy
>Fucks up reverts to state capitalism
>Now what?
>First we better finds ways to keep our power before more social experiments to glorious socialism
>PS. it never works so repeat step 1 until 1991
>>55232013
Lenin and Trotsky were satanists, true fact.
>>55230966
Communism is unattainable.
In the western world, most of our governments saw the writing on the wall and started to improve the lives of workers with some state intervention to preserve the general principle of the free market (less ideologically, more to hold their positions of power - a completely valid act), so you ended up with basic welfare, working condition laws, housing condition laws, and in Europe a wider franchise to vote.
This tripped up the whole capitalism > revolution > state socialism > communism thing, since in Britain and so most of Europe headed off into a sort of nationalization-regulation situation while still being free market enough (and maintaining their social elite). In less developed countries - like Russia, the desire for revolution was much stronger and the country was far less developed, so when the marxists took power they had a real disaster on their hands. Lenin died, Stalin ditched half the principles of Leninism and was rather inhumane to put it lightly, but he did build up industry and production quite impressively. From Stalin onwards, the notion of communism in a reasonable timeframe was dead. (Even if 'communism in 20 years' was once a Soviet slogan)
So, the Soviet Union was state-socialist, not communist. Likewise with China (which is now more like state capitalism), Early-DPRK (Now bordering on a weird sort of Nazism), Vietnam, etc. The stated goals of these states was/is to achieve communism by revolution, and all failed.
Communism as a hypothetical system would be idyllic by design, but as a prediction it would appear communism as predicted by Marx is not imminent. Perhaps in some kind of post-scarcity technological utopia, but until then adaptations to capitalism are likely to stick around. Of all systems currently in existence, Social Democracy (though some wish to dismantle it) is probably the best balance of economic freedom and egalitarianism.
>>55230966
"Muh Communism." The battle cry of statist mongoloids who dream of free shit, stolen from those they envy.
>>55230966
bullshit ideology written by a 19th century man child who spent his middle-class father's money while he went to party college. When daddy died and the money ran out he married a fucking heiress. Moved to england because everyone was tired of his shit, but was too lazy to learn english or even visit any of the factories he spent his life writing about.
Dude was completely full of shit from day 1.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
Its failure is the flawed assumption that the government is capable of knowing what both of these are for every single human. Marx mentions an abundance of supplies though so maybe he means some sort of post-scarcity society where I guess it could work but if you're post-scarcity then it could be 'to each according to his desires'
Communism's fatal flaw however is the assumption that everyone is equal. People are only equal in the eyes of the law. They are not equal in any other aspect.
>>55230966
The potential of success increases greatly each time you remove someone from it.
1 Person can have his own communist society just fine.
2-4 People also has a certain degree of potential (the family unit could easily be considered communistic in nature).
There's also a pretty good chance that if you have a small community of people who all opt into the communist mentality, that it will work out ok.
However, the less you focus on the individual, and the more you focus on everybody as a whole, the less effective communism is. Communism also fails when people who do not wish to opt in are forced to, because they will manipulate the system for their own benefit.
>>55230966
Fails because of human weakness. When our machine overlords arrive communism will work better than captialism.
>Countries that have had communist governments:
>Former part of the Soviet Union: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan.
>Other Asian countries: Afghanistan, Cambodia, Mongolia, and Yemen.
>Soviet-controlled Eastern bloc countries: Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Germany (East), Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia.
>The Balkans: Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Rep. of Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia.
>Africa: Angola, Benin, Dem Rep. of Congo, Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, and Mozambique.
>Countries that are still officially communist, but have undergone market reforms: China, Laos, and Vietnam.
>Countries that are communist: North Korea
As you might already know, all of them are shitholes. They have little in common in history, culture, race or pre-communist economy, and they ended up with the same shitty results.
Anyways despite failing 100/100 times, you'll find plenty apologists for it, because while it doesn't work in the real world, it totally works in their brain damaged heads.
Shit tier ideology created by guy who raised some good points on capitalism but ultimately had worse solutions to said problems.
Gave us some cool villains and movies though.
>>55230966
I'd rather have classes in society than non-whites. Even if I'm not on top.
>>55230966
The principle "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" only works with people that are deeply bonded like family and lifelong friends. And even then, it has its limits and causes rifts between people.
Forcing millions into such a relationship only produces corruption and conflict. And punishing work while rewarding non-work can gradually destroy any economy, no matter how advanced.
>>55231730
*applies tinfoil hat on head*
>>55230966
You don't get to own anything.
>>55236281
>government
there is no government in a communist society
>>55237443
>communist government
thats an oxymoron,none of them are communist
>>55230966
>potential failures
>potential
Epic. Maybe you should discern that the scientific part of Marxism is completely wrong and Matter doesn't just double itself. Reality is dialectical, but not materialist. Not that capitalists aren't the same materialist idiots like Marx.
I am not even going to go on about how communism is disgusting and insulting to humanity(just as much as capitalism).
>>55230966
you mean like pics?
>>55240158
>>55240045
>>55240158
>dictatorship of the proletariat isn't one of the main phases of communism
Cipras please.
>>55237443
>they ended up with the same shitty results.
Russia and China went from feudal shitholes to global titans capable of manned spaceflight within decades, thanks to the commies.
It did it's job of accelerated industrialization, then exited the scene once market economics were necessary to compete globally.
>>55240505
>admitting it couldnt compete globally
>>55240448
>Never held a job
Freelance writer and essayist is a job, dumbfuck.
And pretty lucrative for some, too.
>>55240508
>he's not right
>>55240505
China went to space like last year.
>>55232382
Lenin even looks like the fucking devil. I wonder sometimes...
>>55240770
2003, to be exact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhou_5
Which would be five years before their government made this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2kRH9-UazY
>>55232013
>state capitalism
That's the dumbest buzzword ever.
If the state controls the money its socialism.
>>55231100
In nature, the only time something reaches equilibrium is when it is dead.
>>55240446
Tsipras is rightist scum
>>55240384
most retarded comparison ever
>>55240625
again,North Korea =\= Communist
>>55230966
Only possible without a human in charge.
>>55241742
>Tsipras is rightist scum
Lol wut?
>utopia
That perfectly describes communism. Unapplicable to any real world scenario cause of inherently selfish human nature and scarcity of resources.
>>55231208
Individual Liberty. The right to own property and not share it with a crack head.
>>55240158
>thats an oxymoron,none of them are communist
>this stale meme
>>55240654
>Freelance writer and essayist is a job, dumbfuck.
no, its really not. Not one worth of someone claiming to represent the "working class" anyway.
Also, Steven King is a novelist, and is actually a talented writer (unlike marx)
Have you even read Das Kapital?
Some people are naturally more able than others.
They will always have better lives and more material wealth than the incompetent masses.
Trying for a classless society can only lead to misery.
Imagine something critical for a society, like food production. Obviously someone has to manage the farm and assign workers to tasks. Right? You can't have large scale ag without worker hierarchies.
Now imagine trying to create a new factory to build farm implements. It takes lots of work to set up and design the factory and new farm implements. You work for two years, 4 extra hours after your regular work. Wouldn't you want something in return? Your factory and farm implements help improve the community by increasing food surplus and allowing further specialization in the workforce, so the prices of other goods go down as well. You just did a huge service, surely you would resent it if you were told you got the same ration of beets and vodka as your sloppy neighbor boris who barely does the minimum work required to get his beet and vodka ration.
Anyway, history shows that communism fails pretty brutally.
>>55235769
mfw we had a law that states those without employment or not self sustaining could be sentenced to 2 to 5 years of forced labour/prison.
>>55241977
do you actually believe that Tsipras is leftist after all the bullshit that he has done?
>>55242192
do you know tbe definition of communism? If yes then you would understand that all those ""communist"" countries were actually socialist
Stagnation. It is incompatible with technologically advanced society.
>>55239766
>Asking everyone to act responsibly, do what he can and not be overly gready is asking too much.
Therefor we want system where everyone is on his own? Why do those plp (other anons) get so buttmad over social safety nets, free schooling (when state schools aren't sh!t) and affordable medical care?
>>55243305
>Asking everyone to act responsibly, do what he can and not be overly gready is asking too much.
It is. People make mistakes and follow their self-interest. It's much better to have that out in the open.
These "free" government services put lower and middle class people in a position where they can't send a hard signal to the hospitals, schools and social insurers that they use that their service is inadequate. Those institutions are forced on them under the premise they operate for the "public good" alone and the public has to bankroll them no matter what. If they complain, they'll bankroll an expensive "reform" too.
Whereas on the free market you can always redirect your financial support to goods and services that give you more bang for your buck.
