How come jet fuel could melt steel beams and lead to evaporation of whole planes, including their engines, but it couldn't melt human bodies, because somehow all of the passengers and crew in all four planes were identified? Jet fuel couldn't also melt Satam al-Suqami's passport.
Americans have never been great builders and they are cheap. It was probably some low quality steel.
Have you seen their cardboard houses ?
>>55204513
If the plane was full of Jews they all would have burned to ash in about 20 minutes. :^)
>>55204832
>>55204832
>>55204832
W e W l A d
>>55204513
You are sooo smart.
>>55204513
the biggest joke was the passports of the Hijackers being miraculously recovered on the street below, 200 foot fireball burns everything, except the hijacker's passport.
Seems reasonable.
>>55204832
>>55204928
Came here to post this.
>>55204832
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeIp2ng3KXQ
>>55204513
>How come jet fuel could melt steel beams
It didn't melt them. Just weakened them tot he point where they couldn't support the weight of 20+ floors above them
>and lead to evaporation of whole planes,
Aluminum melts at a much lower temperature. Jet fuel CAN, in fact, melt aluminum planes but...
>including their engines
Pic related.
The engine from one of the planes after it flew through the building and landed on the street below
>but it couldn't melt human bodies
You do know the entirety of the buildings were not on fire, right?
>because somehow all of the passengers and crew in all four planes were identified?
Largely due to the fact that they knew what planes were flown off course and who had booked that flight though some were identified from things like bone fragments
>Jet fuel couldn't also melt Satam al-Suqami's passport.
Paper doesn't melt, silly.
>>55205150
shhhh George, no one is saying it was you.
How come people still actually believe this is a conspiracy when there have been so many documentaries proving literally every truther point as bullshit?
Nobody claimed jet fuel can melt steel, just that it made it softer/more malleable and unable to withstand the loads it was supporting.
Read the official report FFS.
>>55204513
I'll do you one better.
>Three Buildings
>Two Planes
>>55204513
>Jet fuel couldn't also melt Satam al-Suqami's passport.
ja that is the funniest part
how they happened to find those passports in the rubble! Whoops! What is this! Oh a passport of one of the alleged hijackers what a lucky find!
the stupidity stinks to heaven
unlucky for us they will probably get better at their false flags and avoid embarassments like this
>>55204513
People want to go along with the big lie because facing the truth means having to accept responsibility for being deceived.
>>55205413
The same reason moonfags still exist mate: stupidity
>>55205048
Came here to illegally download this
>>55205424
explain the pools of melted steel below the towers.
>>55205424
Europeans building don't collapse when there is a bit of fire though, how do you explain this ?.
>>55206013
Huh weird, where did the plane/missile/micronuke/bomb/whateverthefuckyouthinkitwas punch a 20 floor hole into that building? I can't quite see it.
>>55205472
What's the official cause for the collapse of the third building?
>>55206013
Jet fuel fire is hotter than your typical building fire.
>>55205494
They didn't even find the passport in the wreckage. It was handed to a random cop by some anonymous stranger who claims they picked it up off the street.
>>55206267
Building 7 had no jet fuel.
Im having really hard time to spot a passanger plane in this pengtagon security footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwzT0QnwtTE
>>55204513
Jet Fuel can't melt steels beams, but it can weaken them. That's all it takes for a building to come down.
Get fucked flat-Earth conspirifags
>>55206253
They don't mention it at all in the 9/11 commission report.
And the NIST data (computer simulation of the collapse) is classified...
3 Buildings
2 Planes
>>55206157
I'm sure it's around here somewhere...
>>55206324
I'm not saying the video is false or your statement wrong, but honestly the frame rate is so low on that video that there could have been a high speed plane that collided in that one second interval
>>55204928
>If the plane was full of Jews they all would have burned to ash in about 20 minutes. :^)
Jihadist passports that aren't dead and are stronger than Steel beams
>>55206390
Wan't it just that the owner told them to take the building down since the fire got so big or something like that. No one ever said that plane hit the third wolrd tade building.
>>55206013
>count the stories, you retard
that building isn't even 1/3 the size of the wtc
>>55206267
>>55206315
Post yfw...
1 plane
1 tree
>>55206436
Well wasn't the plane supposed to be that large that it would have been seen little bit better at some frame as it was supposed to be a passenger plane. On 1 frame you can clearly see something but looks more like a missile in my opinion. Also there were no wreckage at the scene from the plane
>>55205424
>Paper doesn't melt, silly.
shhhh Rumsfeld they are gonna know its you...
>>55206379
>Get fucked flat-Earth conspirifags
nice false analogy you put there cumm guzzling bottlicker faggot.
>>55204513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAAztWC5sT8
>>55206315
>>55206253
Official cause is that fires started by falling debris from the main towers were completely out of control and unable to be put out due to there being no water pressure.
>>55204513
9/11 conspirators are among the most retarded people that exist.
Why do the have to melt thru steal beams when they weaken the structure. You fucking retards believe in steal having the same static characteristics when at 5° and 800° up to 1100°
You ever saw a jet plane hitting something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk
Planes crash in WTC, vaporaces. scrubs off the fier proff coating of steel beams.
Fire with steady supply of air from below makes every thing supper hot. WTC has a outer skeleton not like traditional sky scarpers a internal core protected by concrete.
Superstructure cant hold the top any more, its collapses like a card house.
mimimi melting like lava and shit mimimimi
>>55206451
The "pull it" interview was basically about the firemen...
>"Pull Out the fire fighters"
But that doesn't explain why ALL the fire suppression systems in all three buildings were "malfunctioning".
>pic related
Steel buildings are made to withstand fires, this prevents whole cities from going up like the Great Chicago Fire.
3 Buildings
2 Planes
>>55206694
WTC has outer skeleton, the buildings you show have a internal one, guess why the the TWC is so big and roomy and or was.
>>55206636
>German Flag
Look up Barry Jennings and watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
3 Buildings
2 Planes
>>55206636
I know right, a plane crash would wreck a skyscraper
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Empire_State_Building_crash
>The accident compromised the building's structural integrity and killed everybody
This entire thread is a false flag red herring.
The real conspiracy is that the hijackers were Saudi patsies under CIA/Mossad control. Given plans and told to carry out the act while police and FBI deliberately looked the other way.
The whys and wherefore's of how the towers collapsed is neither relevant nor interesting.
Pure Coincidence.
>>55206914
>>55204513
Anyone who can look at tower 7, read the freefall stuff, and still believe the NIST explanation is a useful idiot.
>>55206810
Actually the WTC had a CENTRAL internal structure as well. As for the "outer structure", you could remove an entire side and it would remain standing, it was engineered this way.
But I love how you ignore the third building anyway.
Watch the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
3 buildings
2 planes
>>55206932
>>55206932
Fukken saved
>>55206636
this
I literally stopped talking to a guy at work because of this. it's like a religion to them.
I've worked with metals before
The fuel doesn't have to melt shit. It only has to soften the metal, which happens at lower temps than the melting point.
And that's easier than fuck to achieve at those high altitudes with those high-altitude winds paired with the holes in the towers causing a bellowing effect to heat up the fire-air mixture.
To try to explain it in a language retards can understand, why is it that cars set on fire just aren't cleaned up and fixed? After all the fire doesn't melt the metal 99% of the time. IS it ebcause even though the fire didn't each the melting point of the car, the heat still weakened the structural integrity of that metal? Yep.
Now add hundreds of tons of weight onto that metal and see how long it holds up after being torched.
>>55206390
>>55206405
Conspiracy theorists: why do you think WTC7 was destroyed? How did it fit into the government's master plan?
>>55206013
Again, read the damn investigation/report
If I remember correctly, it was found that the impact/force of the airliner impact knocked the fire retardant insulation off the beams, which exposed them to the full heat from the fire. A fire alone without a plane crashing into the building wouldn't have been that big of a deal.
There may have been additional factors that contributed to it as well been a long time since I've read up on any of this.
>>55206820
I knew as kid (15 years) is was osama and alquaida,while watching this at home in TV, German TV and no mention of CNN or what ever. Not any one did mention it. WTC has a tradition of being bomb by alquaida you know.
>>55206870
Take alook at how the empire state bulding is build and how the WTC is build and then come back and discus and compare.
Its apples and onions you compare here.
>>55206636
>german kek
>>55207044
>asian hating cananada
3 buildings
2 planes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
>>55206952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M
5 hours that will name the jew
>>55204513
>people are still arguing over this
if jet fuel can melt steel beams the tower should have broken in a half, not collapse like it did
>>55204513
>all of the passengers and crew in all four planes were identified
>>55207228
the fact that people infact still believe the story is proof of jew propaganda.
>>55207152
>german kek still ignores building 3
Barry Jennings
Barry Jennings
Barry Jennings
>On 9/11, Jennings was the Deputy Director of the Emergency Services Department for the New York City Housing Authority. He and Michael Hess, the New York City Corporation Counsel, were rescued from WTC Building 7 before it collapsed at 5:20 p.m. On several occasions, Jennings stated that an explosion trapped them in WTC Building 7 and that he continued to hear...
>explosions throughout the building until they were saved. As reported in October 2008, Jennings died on August 19, 2008. Thus, the question emerges: Has the potential legal power and value of Jennings’ testimony been lost forever?
>The short answer is “no.” Even under the strictest rules of evidence that may apply, Jennings’ statements about the explosions at Building 7 should be admissible during any legal proceeding convened to determine the real cause of the collapse of Building 7 – be it in a criminal trial, before a grand jury, or during hearings before the New York City Council, the New York State Assembly, the US Congress, or any other formal bodies.
>On the afternoon of 9/11, after Jennings and Hess were rescued from Building 7, Jennings told ABC-TV News:
>“Well, me and Hess, the Corporation Counsel, were on the 23rd floor. I told him, ‘We gotta get out of here.’ We started walking down the stairs. We made it to the eighth floor [later clarified to be the sixth floor, see here at the 3:50 mark]. Big explosion! Blew us back into the eighth floor. And I turned to Hess and I said, ‘This is it, we’re dead. We’re not gonna make it outta here...’”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
3 buildings
2 planes
>>55206942
to bad all sides where heated up so all 4 sides where gone. buhuhu. Yeah third building fuckt up by debree falling hundred of feet. I wonder why the bunker did fail. It was build so solid.
What can possibly go wrong when parts fall down on it.
>>55207055
Except, dumbass, we have other examples of this happening. Remember NIST said it was the FIRST known instance of buildings collapsing primarily due to fire.
>>55204513
because they had a manifest of all the passengers and crew
>>55207228
Dude all buildings collapse downwards perfectly.
>>55207271
Where are the blackboxes? 2 were found but lacked the distinctive serial numbers and the FOIA denied to answer that.
>>55207328
Yea, they were so heated up that this woman could stand by the entrance hole........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APPrKNskn7Y
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You done shilling GERMan C U-CK?
>>55206324
It is moving too fast for the crappy security camera interrupts. When the investigators had interviewed 500+ eye witnesses that all saw the plane go in, they stopped.
Altitudes are off, exact path, etc., but everyone saw the plane going down with nearly all seeing it hit. A few could not due to irregular terrain.
>>55207228
it doesn't have to melt it. the steel is under a huge amount of pressure because it's holding several stories on top. plus, there is a part of the structure that was damaged by the planes comming in. is it really that ilogic? think about it. a huge plane hit a steel tower and the combination of structural damage and heat made the building collapse. it is so simple.
>>55207328
>defending the jew owner who confessed to controlled demolition on camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I
>>55207055
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
3 buildings
2 planes
>>55207408
yea you are right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Porp2nFG9XA
this building was hit by a plane from the other side, so sad poor building
>>55206267
>Jet fuel fire
Is kerosene with lead in it. Are you saying a lamps flame can melt steel beams?
>>55207515
see
>>55206511
3 buildings
2 planes
Also, fuck canada for hating Asians
>>55207086
Funny you use that picture, you should look at what govt agencies made use of the building along with what companies were there as well.
>thinking that the US government (or jews) could pull off this ridiculous plot involving hundreds of cover-ups, explosives, fake identities, etc.
more likely what happened is dubbya just paid off some a-rabs to fly some planes into some buildings
>>55207465
where would she go? all exits are closed and sealed off, she cant go any where. I wonder why there where people jumping, But its funny. She stands under the main impact. You know hot air goes up anon? thermic? ever head of it? Show me pictures and videos of people standing at fires
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg9PWSHL4Vg
>>55207572
It's like the JFK assassination.
No one wants to fully confront the implications, so they believe in a lie.
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>CK Building in Belgrade survives multiple airstrikes
>fires burn through much of the skyscraper
>remains standing
>WTC7 catches on fire from debris
>collapses
Serbian engineering, folks. Either that, or apparently a single Boeing 747 packs more a punch than multiple airstrikes.
>>55207644
Educate me. Why does it matter what government agencies or companies were there? Was WTC7 the HQ of the secret plot? If so, why BLOW IT ALL UP? Seems like a great way to end up with a bunch of firefighters and cleanup crew walking around your former secret base and maybe coming across some suspicious debris.
>>55207515
What is flame retardant steel, sub 500 degree office fires, interior steel core, lack of deceleration on collapse, lack of standing interior core, obviously cut steel beams, thermitic material found, molten steel in debris, hundreds of corroborated witnesses who heard felt and were trapped by explosions in the basement and lobby.
>Thousands of engineers, architechts, firefighters, federal investigators refute the official story.
>hot enough to "weaken" steel yet passports and shit are caked on top of the countless amount of inconsitencies.
>A plane didnt fucking crash in shanksville, and the gross misconduct and clean up at the pentagon where evidence was actually destroyed.
>9/11 commission lead investigator resigned saying it was a gross cover up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPkpvc-9wFM
>were doomed.
>>55207747
It is merely cognitive dissonance and trauma response, it is hugely effective to control people.
>>55207612
how many tons can 20 storeys weight? would you say that steel strenght can be affected by heat?
I am not saying the government cannot imply corruption or conspiracies. but come on man. be logic. I don't know who was piloting the planes or why they crashed them into the building. you can create all the conspiracies you want regarding what people do. but physics are just physics. they don't give a fuck.
>>55207840
>pparently a single Boeing 747 packs more a punch than multiple airstrikes
Yes - it does. Regardless, it wasn't a 747 that hit the Twin Towers.
>>55206534
There was wreckage there. One engine careened down the hall past a friend's old office, scary at first, but he retired in the '90s. Got him drinks for a while.
Being the Pentagon, all wreckage was hauled off in containers due to 'national security' concerns. WPD returned a few boxes of generic office reports and some clown found an 'after action' review of a HRC trip on AF 1. Yeah, high security.
>>55207842
The CIA and FBI had offices in that building, so did a few defense contractors. The CIA office actually was in the middle of an investigation about trillions of dollars worth of missing money from the budget, funnily enough the side of the pentagon that was hit was also the offices of a naval commission that was tasked with investigating the same thing.
>>55207735
Tell that to Barry Jennings.
And she's not "under" the main impact...
SHE'S INSIDE THE MAIN IMPACT.
She is standing where they plane HIT.
Where all that Jet Fuel would be concentrated.
Whatever is burning now is no longer jet fuel, but office furniture.
But since you're a cu-cked up german fag. Here is a picture contradicting you for the 5th time.
>>55207346
Yeah, let's just ignore the planes that flew through them.
It was clearly just fire.
>>55207747
The same would happen when ayy lmao lands and make first contact. Some things are so unbelievable people will deny it all there live.
Americans where told all there live long they are the greatest and nobody can and will harm them. untouchable. And this happens.
Full denial.
Do you think we'll EVER find out what actually happened, or is the greatest tragedy in American history doomed to be a weird propaganda piece surrounded in red tape and redacted info for the rest of history?
Will people start making deathbed confessions in thirty years?
>>55207925
Wasn't a 747 that hit WTC7 either :^)
>>55207925
>apparently a single Boeing 747 packs more a punch than multiple airstrikes
>Yes - it does.
>>55207515
>crappy cameras
No the government confirmed there 87 seperate camera footage of the crash yet only release 2 as "relevant" even when asked to view them anyway in foi requests
>500+ eye witnesses.
What about the 100+ witnesses who corroborated that bombs and explosions went off prior to the collapse in the towers.
I had the same problem of cognitive dissonance as you friend. Its spooky buts it not true. Youre brainwashed my media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GNww9cmZPo
How the fuck were they able to find passports and finger a group literally the day of the attack.
>>55208030
He said, while ignoring the other planes involved in building collisions.
>>55207840
CK Building
>height: 377 ft
WTC 7
>height: 743 ft
Of course, we also need to take into account where the fires burned and how much stress the affected area endured. A lack of deceleration is merely a consequence of the kinetic energy of a 1,000,000 ton object falling. Civil engineers are on the lower rungs of the engineering ladder and are subject to conspiracy theories just like everyone else.
>>55207842
Or an easy way to make 800 million off of insurance payouts for "Lucky larry" the jew owner.
>the one who admits to controlled demolition you braindead goy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I
>>55208330
Dont forget the WTC is is moving 1 or up to 1,5 meters. Wobbling because of the wind. That would also add to failure of a weakened super structure.
>>55208047
You haven't answered any argument at all.
Not one.
You say that WTC 7 was destroyed by falling debris, then a guy like Barry Jennings comes along and says no. You just pass it up.
Even if it was falling debris, why would you classify that data then?
You claim that all the sides of the twin towers were weakened when we can see people ABOVE, BELOW, AND INSIDE IMPACT POINTS.
>>55208017
>>55207465
You've got nothing, you can't answer a single point.
Here I'll give you another one you'll ignore;
>Robert Wright Testimony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CvnwQZfugk&feature=related
>Sibel Edmonds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWbyZSnHFkc
>State Department whistleblower J. Michael Springmann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-FX_K0YIi0
What you got now?
What are you going to say?
Go ahead and ignore it, that's all you can do.
>>55208330
Wtc 7 fell at free fall speed which is acknowledged by the official report. It's the first building to fall from fires, let alone a 47 story building thats new and had isolated fires. How does a building with isolated fires fall at freefall speed displacing all mass below it.
Also google architects and engineers for 9/11 truth(2000+) engineers who agree the story is impossible.
>But the jew owner admitted to its demolition, so i dont think i convince when the owner literally admits to its demolition on camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I
>>55208180
>you are brainwashed by the media
oh, good to know you were there and took notes and data first hand.
the difference between you and me is that I take the government for what they are: corrupt bureaucrats. you on the other hand think they are some genius mastermind james bond style.
>>55208524
Obviously JIDF, engineers and architects agree its ludicrous. Hes now using wind as the factor that caused the collapse.
>wind dropping a 47 story steel building.
>being this fucking stupid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPkpvc-9wFM
>>55208481
The engineer that designed it disagrees.
Of course you'll ignore the engineers anyway
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://www.ae911truth.org/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYUYya6bPGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYUYya6bPGw
Go ahead germancu.ck, ignore it.
>>55208672
>the difference between you and me is that I take the government for what they are: corrupt bureaucrats. you on the other hand think they are some genius mastermind james bond style.
He obviously thinks the same you do if there are all these glaring holes in the official story.
>>55208672
They literally destroyed evidence? They confess they have nearly 100 separate cameras footage of the impact yet only consider 2 relevant. A 47 story building is actually caught on camera falling symmetrically at free fall speed from an isolated fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPkpvc-9wFM
Eyewitness accounts of cover up and witness accounts of collapse.
Youre obviously shilling, keep fighting the good fight man.
>>55208017
no not inside watch your picture closely. She is under the main impact. Left low where the wings would be. You see the fire high above here.
Stop shitposting.
Start posting evidence.
>not knowing the difference between melting and weakening
>>55208672
notice shills never refute the argument just resort to shifting the narrative.
Spooky as fuck.
>>55208672
>corrupt bureaucrats
>genius mastermind
Yea, there is no way that those two things could be together in one entity...
No way at all...
There has never been a point in human history where the bureaucrats in power used their knowledge and influence for their own ends...
Nope, not once ever....
>>55207086
The only reasonable answer is that no one here knows. But it's silly question to to begin with. Only conspiracy theorists and the opposite extreme (You) ask such questions first.
>>55208150
The kinetic energy of a 747 in flight is far higher than the energy of the explosive charges in an airstrike.
Using a mass of 394625 kg (NASA website) and a velocity of 500 mph (probably a bit high, but around the standard cruising speed of a 747), I got a KE of 9857967380.8 J, or about 10 Gigajoules, which is around 2.3 tons of TNT.
Not too unreasonable of an amount to damage an industrial steel beam enough to fail.
>>55208774
no. I say the government can pull out shady shit. but the idea that everything is a perfectly choreographed attack performed downtown New York is giving too much credit to the government officials.
of course cheney is a crook and bush is a tool of the oil companies but arguing against physics and common sense just to make apolitical point requires a certain level of stupidity.
It's the heat, not jet fuel...
>>55208683
I don't know how much if any effect wind actually had, but why do you think it's such a ridiculous idea? It can generate some pretty strong forces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFzu6CNtqec
>>55208964
Lets say your hypothesis is correct. Why did the interior steel core not remain standing while the exterior floors pancaked. How were the exterior steel beams broken in a manner that could not have happened unless the interior steel core been rigged for downward displacement at a speed and mass causing those breaks??
>>55209100
>but the idea that everything is a perfectly choreographed attack performed downtown New York is giving too much credit to the government officials.
Then how did sandniggers with rudimentary flying skills do it?
>>55208571
At my university, we have roughly 1,000 engineers graduate annually 2000 engineers is nothing.
As soon as the tower is falling at a non-zero velocity, you have so much inertia to it falling that any resistance the rest of the tower would put up is miniscule. A tower that large would almost certainly fall at free-fall speed
>>55206315
Building 7 had lots of financial data. Google financial situation summer 2001
>>55208998
>>55208812
is there something that would change your mind? is there a piece of evidence that would make you reconsider your position? if your answer is not is maybe because you want something to be true. regardless of what is real.
I am sure the government knew about the attacks. they may let it happen. I give you that. but to say that they basically did the whole thing implies a level of coordination, spending, cover up that seem impossible to me.
just don't marry this ideas. if you are really looking for the truth be prepare to accept things you may not like.
>>55206588
>50min docu
no ty
ˢᵐʰ ᵗᵇʰ ᶠᵃᵐ
All highrises in high value areas are built with emergency demolitions materials inside them. This is to prevent a collapsing tower from causing trillions of dollars in damage if it falls laterally and takes out a bunch of other buildings.
This isn't a well known fact because nobody would want to occupy buildings that can be demolished remotely with the turn of a key and a press of a button.
Lucky Larry was able to collect after pulling it because the insurance companies would rather pay him than have to pay for 20 other buildings instead.
Feel free to prove me wrong shills, but you can't.
A few weeks ago, I hit a deer with my car. Although cars are harder than deer, my car got pretty fucked up. It bent up the hood and fucked up the radiator, but they were both harder than deer, so should have been OK.
>>55209293
That's non-sense. It'd certainly slow down on impact with first floor from the top.
>>55209432
The Manhattan Project, at its height, had 125,000 staff members, they had 4 leaks and they only occurred after the NDA had expired. Maybe you need to stop being so naive about TS/SCI things being hard to contain.
>>55208692
"Slow"" moving airplane" to bad he didn't do the math for fast moving airplanes. Well shit the engineer said it , wow that´s a evidence
I wonder what the engineers said about the titanic. you know its unsinkable.ups.
But yes, it didn't collapse immediately after the impact. Fire+weakened steal super structure+movement of building brought it down.
>>55209185
>I don't know how much if any effect wind actually had
Then why are you blatantly disregarding experts on engineering and architecture to push forward the narrative 10mph wind caused symmetrical freefall collapse
http://www.ae911truth.org/
The wtc towers were designed for 500+ mph wind speeds. Next please. Please read information on the topic regarding free fall speed, lack of deceleration and symmetrical collapse before using 10mph wind as the cause of a near 50 story skyscraper.
This outlines the severe case of cognitive dissoncane you are experiencing
>Freefall speed: disregard
>Symetrical collapse: disregard
>2000+ experts in the field disagreeing: disregard
>Owner of wtc 7 1& 2 admits on camera to controlled demolition of wtc 7: disregard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I
>isolated fires: disregard
>was blocks away from wtc 1 & 2: disregard
>closer building suffered much more in fires and debris, didnt collapse:disregard
>Witnesses baffled on cause of collapse:disregard
>Multiple witnesses die in unusual circumstances:disregard
Your narrative: It was 10mph wind that caused the collapse along with an office fire
If youre going to have a discussion atleast refute my evidence.
>>55209619
500+ mph when not dmg and fuckt up gg your turn.
>>55209432
>but to say that they basically did the whole thing implies a level of coordination, spending, cover up that seem impossible to me.
Eh they covered this up pretty well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
>The program engaged in many illegal activities; in particular it used unwitting U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects
>MKUltra used numerous methodologies to manipulate people's mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs (especially LSD), hypnosis, sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse, as well as various forms of torture.
Used to think this shit was fake myself because covering up the kidnapping of your own citizens sounds impossible, but it still took ~20 years for anything to happen.
And of course things like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
>>55209241
it is way easier to destroy that to build. it took them years of planning and considerable resources by the way.
any one can put a small bomb in the electricity room of the stadium the night of the superbowl and ruin it. something different is to create and organize the superbowl.
>>55208924
>Start posting evidence.
Lets see how much I've linked..........
>Official pictures of damaged area in detail
>>55205472
>>55206390
>>55206511
>>55206694
>>55207173
>>55208524
>Engineers on 9/11
http://www.ae911truth.org/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYUYya6bPGw
>Government Whistle Blowers
>Robert Wright Testimony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CvnwQZfugk&feature=related
>Sibel Edmonds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWbyZSnHFkc
>State Department whistleblower J. Michael Springmann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-FX_K0YIi0
>Survivors standing in impact points
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APPrKNskn7Y
>Survivor of WTC 7, Barry Jennings
>>55207316
>Summary Video with full sources
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
Now lets see what you've posted.......
a video of NOT WTC on fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg9PWSHL4Vg
a video of NOT a 747-81 hitting a solid wall....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk
That's my 24 to your 2...
www.ae911truth.org is worth 11 points because of all the information and sourcing they have, plus their petition.
GET DUNKED ON.
>>55209293
Well an engineer has disproved law of conservation of mass, inertia, and gravity all in one statement! wow
Also stating that 9/11 was an inside job as a professional is not exactly easy. its taboo
>>55209605
>>55209703
see
http://www.ae911truth.org/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYUYya6bPGw
They address those points. But you'll ignore them anyway because you cant refute it.
>>55209100
Who says it was planned by the government at that time? We already know about Northwoods. They were prepared to use false flags to justify invading Cuba. If they wanted to do the same to a country halfway around the world than a false flag attack on NYC is the obvious choice. It's THE global city, the first thing people think of when asked to name an American city. An attack there could come from anywhere in the world as it would serve as an attack on the image of modern America and an attack on national morale. 9/11 could have been planned 50 years ago and filed until it was needed.
>build building out of passport material
>its indestructible.
>>55209542
With 30-40 floors above it? Unlikely. Moreover, accurate measurement of the true collapse rate is difficult when the entire building is obscured in smoke.
>>55209547
how can you compare a secret project created in times of war to kill enemies, with a plan to kill your own civilians in your biggest city in times of peace.
imagine convincing hundreds of people to accept this plan knowing that it was directed at fellow citizens and their beloved new york. please consider this.
>>55209605
thanks for bringing that up. How exactly did the 747 hit the building at 500 knots while its maximum operating speed at sea level is around 400 knots. It would have fell out of the sky at the given speeds. Anyway the building was designed to be hit by an airliner and not collapse. Regardless of the force it resisted the initial hit and stood steady, you argue that jetfuel weakened the beams, to 707's not use jet fuel.
But here take this.
A pilot who flew the planes used in 9/11 says its "physically impossible" to do what they did at the given speeds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXA-enq65ng
Shill harder.
>>55209432
You refuse to refute a single piece of evidence i presented. You have yet to present any evidence for your arguement
>"is there something that would change your mind? is there a piece of evidence that would make you reconsider your position? if your answer is not is maybe because you want something to be true. regardless of what is real."
What a ironic paradox of a fucking statement.
>>55210100
>imagine convincing hundreds of people to accept this plan knowing that it was directed at fellow citizens and their beloved new york. please consider this.
TS/SCI would mean that no one save those on top, with the most to gain, would even be aware of the scope of the plans, just like how the Manhattan Project worked.
>>55205117
Fucking love this guy. Honourary goy.
>>55210100
>time of peace
>the next day they attack
this was their scapegoat to attack, come on brosky
>>55209619
>The wtc towers were designed for 500+ mph wind speeds.
wot
And I never said it was my narrative, like I said I haven't read up on it and don't know how much if any wind was a factor.
>>55210100
Pearl harbor is widely believed to have been ignored to get into the war.
vietnam as well with the attack on the navy which by pilots said to have never happened.
>>55207173
How to spot the tinfoil hat:
>WTC 7
>Minor damage
>Minor fires
Using missinformation to gain retarded people into the movement is not very smart
>>55209715
This is legit proof the united states loaned 500k to the same mossad agents caught in NYC the day of filming the attacks before it happened, with passports from different countries, bomb sniffing dogs reaction to the car, multiple k's in cash, blamed the palestinians for it when arrested.
>>55206914
>>55209745
Study more. How much can you squat? How much could you squat if the weight was dropped from 5 feet above you onto your shoulders? How much would your initial max when it's falling at 10 mph when you catch it?
While it would experience deceleration by necessity, the amount wouldn't be noticeable purely do to the inertia of the falling building. Buildings are designed to stand up to the mass of the building.
>>55210298
Again resorts to ad hocs, and doesnt attack the argument with any evidence let alone even a basis.
>WTC 7
Yes discussing the building in the our argument
>Minor damage
yes the minor damage to the tower that suffered a symetric free fall collapse
>Minor fires
yes the filmed isolated fires corroborated by eye witnesses.
clearly a shill not worth arguing with.
>>55210212
Nobody is arguing that the Japanese didn't carry out Pearl Harbor, or that it wasn't actually planes that sunk the ships.
9/11 truthers are barking up the wrong tree by focusing on the collapse of the building and are most likely controlled opposition to deflect away from the intelligence and administrative failures behind 9/11.
>>55210418
Oh, the second sentence should read, how much would you decelerate your initial max when it is falling at 10 mph?
>>55210522
>yes the minor damage to the tower that suffered a symetric free fall collapse
1. You should check other sites than you tinfol hat
2. WTC 7 didnt fall in freefall kiddo
>yes the filmed isolated fires corroborated by eye witnesses.
Yet again ignoring the actual case because the fire was actually pretty big and strong due to the gasoline tanks inside the building. I hope you know why they had these tanks there right?
You know the scandal years prior when every New Yorker made fun of "The bunker in the skies"?
I guess not because you searched on websites only designed to lure people with low education into their fangs
>>55210563
>they lose contact with the plane and they do nothing
>there were no planes in the bases to defend NY
and people say it's not weird
>>55209950
ok.
here is what I think: the government obviously knew an attack was imminent. and they knew it could involve planes. they may have let it happen. having a plane hitting a building is by itself enough justification for military retaliation. but it got out of hand. it was 4 planes instead of one. it was 3000+ civilians dead instead of a hundred. the buildings fell due to the crash and all these events were used to push for political and military action that would ultimately help oil companies and contractors etc.
there wasn't much of an active conspiracy. there was tons of corruption, negligence and a closed conspiracy at the top level, not to cause the attacks but to profit from them.
>>55210418
>Study more. How much can you squat? How much could you squat if the weight was dropped from 5 feet above you onto your shoulders? How much would your initial max when it's falling at 10 mph when you catch it?
This is assuming that the top of the tower was equal to the weight of the supporting base in mass and that correlates to the argument of deceleration, lack of noticeable damage to the driving top when that violates law of conservation of mass, and gravity.
>While it would experience deceleration by necessity, the amount wouldn't be noticeable purely do to the inertia of the falling building. Buildings are designed to stand up to the mass of the building.
So dropping weight on your body in squat position will not cause a noticeable deceleration of the object or resist the weight to a certain noticeable degree? also the comparative in this statement is flawed. I would likely tip over or fall forward. Yes to more then the mass of the building it is designed. Im in computer science and the math isnt that intense and even i understand the obvious logical gaps. No way your in engineering school.
>>55210418
>Study more. How much can you squat?
kek
> How much could you squat if the weight was dropped from 5 feet above you onto your shoulders? How much would your initial max when it's falling at 10 mph when you catch it?
This is assuming that the top of the tower was equal to the weight of the supporting base in mass and that correlates to the argument of deceleration, lack of noticeable damage to the driving top when that violates law of conservation of mass, and gravity.
>While it would experience deceleration by necessity, the amount wouldn't be noticeable purely do to the inertia of the falling building. Buildings are designed to stand up to the mass of the building.
So dropping weight on your body in squat position will not cause a noticeable deceleration of the object or resist the weight to a certain noticeable degree? also the comparative in this statement is flawed. I would likely tip over or fall forward. Yes to more then the mass of the building it is designed. Im in computer science and the math isnt that intense and even i understand the obvious logical gaps. No way your in engineering school.
>>55210058
Unlikely? Dude, you're giving the lower floors energy out of fucking nothing. That's not how the world works. It'd slow down noticeably... unless the beams were destroyed by external energy.
>>55210814
That explains why the Mossad agents that were arrested filming the attack while dancing also had ID badges to work on the inside of the buildings and why the empty boxes found inside of their van were boxes for det cord and detonators.
>>55204513
"That moment when you realize you're not a structural engineer + materials scientist, but, instead, are a NEET schizophrenic with delusions of grandeur."
>>55209867
I don't, I told you with titanic engineer memey what the cause it.
Ever took that in consideration?
And again jet hits with round 600 to 800 KMH the TWC bends and scrubs off the Fireproofing heat weaken everything thing. The plane goes thru the whole building compromising everything even the core. Building is build like old domes the top holding everything together. The center collapses first so sides go out and down.
But hey you believe your fantasy story, you cant go back now. You do you be the idiot so keep screaming
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Good luck. You need it.
>>55208672
>you on the other hand think they are some genius mastermind james bond style.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Why are some people just unable to imagine that their (s)elected representatives are possibly not in fact "just corrupt bureaucrats" but also absolutely evil, lying psychopaths.
Why do you insist on making it easy for them to kill, lie, steal and cheat, while laughing at us.
Why do you even allow them a voice.
>>55210680
>>55210298
SEE
>>55209744
>>55209744
>>55209744
>>55209744
>>55209744
Keep Ignoring the facts bud!
GEEEETTTTTT DUNKED ON!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tao67Idz3Uc
>>55211032
ok, so we disagree. that's fine.
>>55211181
hahahahah
Nice source bud, Post some evidence!
Post a link backing up all your text!
>>55209744
>>55209744
>>55209744
>dunked [X]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tao67Idz3Uc
>>55210680
>yes the minor damage to the tower that suffered a symetric free fall collapse
1. You should check other sites than you tinfol hat
>again adhocs with baseless statements
2. WTC 7 didnt fall in freefall kiddo
>again adhocs with baseless false claims proving your absolutle ignorance to science and the evidence at hand.
"The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:
Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity"
Yeah the government reports says it fell at freefall speed for 2.25 seconds. Which is impossible without controlled demolition and has never occurred and couldn't without displacement of mass with explosives.
Yet again ignoring the actual case because the fire was actually pretty big and strong due to the gasoline tanks inside the building. I hope you know why they had these tanks there right?
>gasoline tanks
>in a building
>You mean natural gas pipes in every house. why would natural gas pipes and a tank been on the midfloors.
>>55204513
Steel doesn't need to melt in order for a steel framed building to collapse you dummy.
Steel loses most of it's strength at about half the temperature of burning jet fuel.
>>55210912
The mass of the lower portion of the tower is irrelevant. The relevant parameter is the structural strength of the underlying floors. If you drop a ball bearing on 20,000 layers of wet tissue paper that are spaced apart like the level in a building, the ball bearing is going through every last one of them without ever experiencing a notable deceleration. Now, obviously a building isn't wet tissue paper, but the gap is bridged when you start considering the sheer scale that you're at.
The square cube law necessitates that the amount of mass an object will have will increase at a cubic rate while the structural strength increases by the square. This principle is the reason why we can't make objects arbitrarily large, or why ants can't be 20 ft tall without having an internal skeleton. While we view steel as being tough and rigid, on the scale of a skyscraper, it's going to be under so much force that it's going to be relatively close to the point that it's going to start experiencing plastic deformation. Of course, the design buildings with a reasonable factor of safety, but the difference in the force a building experiences with a static mass compared to the force it will experience when that mass is falling are an order of magnitude apart.
>>55211602
so you think you are going to convince them with logic and facts? good luck Johnny.
>>55211233
Nice videos mate you ure are showing me how deluded you are.
You know if you make up a theory you must atleast get some arguments or evidence.
14 years after this event the world is still waiting on any evidance at all.
>Bombs
No evidence found. Truthers even claimed super lasers and mini nukes were used but guess what they didnt delver anything at all so far.
No traces of explosives, no traces of detonaters no traces of thousands meters of cable that is used in such a demolation and , the funniest part, no sign/evidance that a company/people planted hundred of kg explosives inside the building
Best thing is: Snowden revealed so much information but not even one single paper was linked to an inside job. In other words a cospiracy on this level involving hundreds of people just somehow happend without one single trace.
Why would anybody think accusations of conspiracy theory still work?
>>55211181
We were 24-2...
>FLIR FOOTAGE OF WTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTIFmcE8ZjY
Suddenly... a wild Mike Ruppert appears!
>MIKE RUPPERT, 9/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uU6U7H7Aws
Ruppert's video is worth another 10. Putting me at 35 sources with you still at 2...
GEEEETTT DUNKED ON!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tao67Idz3Uc
>>55211602
Yet people working the clean up operation reported melted pools of steel two weeks after the attack.
Also I didnt know steel can melt at 1860f or there abouts.
>>55211748
>Best thing is: Snowden revealed so much information
And yet none of it was about the CIA, it was about every single other govt agency but never was it about burning the CIA, funny how that worked out.
>>55211181
Kek nice source and cross examination of the evidence i put forward.
>>55211452
"The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:
Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity"
From the nist.gov report.
>>55211748
>deluded you are
>mfw
Nice source you got there!
Good thing you're not shit posting and you're posting actual evidence or sources to back up your assertions!
By the way you've only posted 2 links so far to only slightly related shit. My links are from whistle blowers, engineers, witnesses, pictures of the area attacked, etc.....
By the way I've posted more evidence!
>>55211769
I'm at 35 sources I've posted, you're still at two.
GET DUNKED ON!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tao67Idz3Uc
>>55211673
except the core isnt wet tissue paper and is an untouched steel core.
>>55211452
>again adhocs with baseless false claims proving your absolutle ignorance to science and the evidence at hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8#t=3m02
>Guys it collaped in 7 seconds
See the roof on the left side? Thats the point where the entire constructial failure starts.
14-16 seconds .
Now take the hight of the building and do some highschool phsysic and you will see that its not freefall.
And its funny how you greentext gasoline tanks showing you lack of knowledge yet again:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Tenants
"Nine diesel generators were installed on the 5th floor as part of a backup power station."
GG no re kid
>>55212063
Literally putting words into my mouth. It collapsed at freefall speed for 2.25 seconds. nist.gov report. the agency tasked and employed by the 9/11 commission to examine the collapse. Dude shill harder.
Diesel generators, again, the problem is freefall displacement of a 47story building.
>>55211981
>From the nist.gov report.
Which is classified.....
(4 chan thinks its spam, google it) .com/news/2010-07-12/nist-denies-access-wtc-collapse-data
I'm at 36 sources now.
>>55212268
Yeah i know they are clearly deluded kids, shills or just cant examine are claims.
>>55211748
>Bombs
>No evidence found.
How convenient...
Good thing we had witnesses like Barry Jennings!
>>55207316
Of course the government would never lie now would they?
>>55211769
>2 hours long video
>undertale/tumblr song
Piss off
>>55212368
>>55211748
>Classifying evidence so you cant even review the data to come to a conclusion.
>expecting the goverment youre accusing to confess on itself.
By withholding evidence they are effectively pleading the 5th.
seems normal.
>>55212194
>Literally putting words into my mouth.
Just pointing out that the WTC 7 wasnt freefall get your physics straight kid.
Wait i will make the math for you okay?
The building was 227 meters tall, truthers claim ( you too ) that the building fell in freefall.
So i hope you were in high school , the formula is h = (g*t2)/2
You search for t ( the time ) you get , for a 224 meter building 6,75 seconds.
The video i posted shows you pretty clear that the time was 2,5 times higher than your free fall argument.
>>55212613
>"The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:
>Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
>Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
>Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity"
The government agreed it fell at freefall speed for the second stage. This is from the fucking goverment NIST report featured in the 9/11 commission.
>>55206511
>>55212475
>doesn't follow the thread
see
>>55208924
Basically German fag never posted evidence, so I'm making fun of him. The fact you haven't played Undertale and you dont understand the context of the song shows you don't understand.
Now go turn in your spoons faggot brit!
BRITAIN SUCKS
BRITAIN IS SHIT
BRITAIN IS WHAT MAKES EUROPE SO BAD
>>55212368
>"Witness"
>Some guy saying stuff so it must be true
>Guys lets ignore the fact that real planes flew into the tower
>Guys lets ignore that you can see on videos how the steelcolumns on the WTC bending
>Guys lets ignore the fact that the bomb dog in WTC didnt "sayy" shit
>Guys lets just ignore the fact that normal skyscparer demolitions take months to arrange
>Lets ignore the fact that every building getting blown up has hundred/thousands meters of cable inside
>Lets ignore the fact that an explosions would have been heard hundreds of meters away
You know your "theory" stand if you ignore every other aspect.
I mean literally every other thing that actually happened.
And i know for a high school drp out its hard to comprehend but you need atleast something to show you know.
Like at the evolution theory = they have thousands of fossils that they use as evidance.
Truthers have 0
>>55211748
>>55210298
>>55209703
Lets talk about the insider trading that was going on around 9/11...
http://www.washingtons BLUG .com/2010/06/sec-government-destroyed-documents-regarding-pre-911-put-options.html
37 sources
>>55212637
screw off britibong
>>55209744
>>Engineers on 9/11
>http://www.ae911truth.org/
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYUYya6bPGw [Embed]
>>Government Whistle Blowers
>>Robert Wright Testimony
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CvnwQZfugk&feature=related [Embed]
>>Sibel Edmonds
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWbyZSnHFkc [Embed]
>>State Department whistleblower J. Michael Springmann
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-FX_K0YIi0 [Embed]
>>Survivors standing in impact points
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APPrKNskn7Y [Embed]
>>Survivor of WTC 7, Barry Jennings
>>>55207316
>>Summary Video with full sources
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98 [Embed]
>Now lets see what you've posted.......
>a video of NOT WTC on fire
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg9PWSHL4Vg [Embed]
>a video of NOT a 747-81 hitting a solid wall....
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk [Embed]
>That's my 24 to your 2...
>www.ae911truth.org is worth 11 points because of all the information and sourc
NECONS BTFO'D
>>55204513
I see this meme is still alive and kicking.
>>55212845
>GUYS the NIST report is bullshit in cases A,B,C because they contradict my stupid theory
>GUYS the NIST report is right when i want it to be right
I will just roll with the NIST is right because it demolishes ( hehe ) your entire "Bombs" were used theory in an instant.
Copy+Pasting 4 lines out of the entire report ( which can be read in short here : http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtc7.cfm ) Shows you that you are indeed wrong again.
The only thing you have to say for WTC 7 is:
>B...but IT WAS THE FIRST BUILDING THAT COLLAPED THROUGH FIRE
>>55210174
The thing he was asking you to consider is motivation. It is easy to motivate people in a time of war to work on mysterious projects directly against a deadly enemy. Additionally those involved in the manhatten project became fully aware afterwards what they had participated in.
As opposed to 9/11. Even those at the top would have to have knowingly attacked American people in an American city. There was no great war to sweep up those involved in some form of non questioning patriotism. And lastly anyone who had participated in any way should have been able to realize after 9/11 what they had participated in and would have come forward by now.
Just too god damn unlikely to be feasible
>>55212961
yes the hundreds of firefighters dying for toxic lunge diseases who experienced explosions who want and unbiased investigation and explanation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH9AKTc1-8k
^^ firefighter in the building who experienced the collapsed and explosions and how implausible it is.
Enjoy the refugee status mehmet.
No more hope for this board. There is an happening even discussed on reddit right now and you guys prefer discuss about black people as usual.. When the TPP is signed in a few months you will all get owned and barely nobody will be able to protest, otherwise you face legal consequences.Even if bernie or trump are against it once it is signed and it will be signed, they wont be able to stop it, it concerns too many countries and about 40% of the world wealth.
>>55212268
>report is classified
What is this then?
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_finalreports.cfm
>>55213267
yes they participated in an invasion based on WMD lies. lies lies lies. Everything he says about 9/11 is a lie. "Oh nobody could envision a plane hitting a building". Except the war games being run on 9/11 that scrambled all jets west was one based on just that. A hickjacking scenario, able danger. All fucking lies.
Im done, you guys fail to refute evidence presented and dont question the bigger picture. Studies say people presented with real facts against their beliefs become more convinced of their faulty thinking even more.
http://ns.umich.edu/new/releases/20768-new-study-analyzes-why-people-are-resistant-to-correcting-misinformation-offers-solutions
>>55212961
>>Guys lets ignore the fact that real planes flew into the tower
3 buildings
2 planes
>>Guys lets ignore that you can see on videos how the steelcolumns on the WTC bending
nice video you got there...
>>Guys lets ignore the fact that the bomb dog in WTC didnt "sayy" shit
har har, I didn't know they tried to use dogs... Bomb sniffing dogs are only useful PRIOR to the event.... Did they tour the inside of the WTC?
>>Guys lets just ignore the fact that normal skyscparer demolitions take months to arrange
uh huh....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbkQddEDPs0
>>Lets ignore the fact that every building getting blown up has hundred/thousands meters of cable inside
How does that help your case?
>>Lets ignore the fact that an explosions would have been heard hundreds of meters away
HAHAHAHAHAH YEP! THEY SURE WOULD BE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2cViy34b1A
You're just like the other cu.cked up GERMan fag.
Let me note how you didn't post a source for anything!
With this post I'll be at 40 sources and detailed pictures.....
>>55213364
Yes some of the report was published and some classified. Just like part of the 9/11 report is classified. Fuck off man, do your research man.
The investigation is a cover up. They said the financiers of the attack is of little significance.
>>55213364
The DATA... is classified...
Did you try to get the link I cited?
See it works like this;
>NIST REPORT!
>The building fell on its own!
>Here is the data on how it fell
>CLASSIFIED
>CLASSIFIED
>CLASSIFIED
>Conclusion; The building fell on its own.
See? Its like the GERMan fags on this thread that don't post any evidence.
>>55212613
>shilling this hard
>>55213612
yeah clearly shills, even liberals arent this bad.
>>55213458
>>55213544
I'm done with this thread Ameribro.
I've honestly tried to post the most I could with great pics and everything....
I just don't understand people anymore...
This quote was my favorite though;
>>55212961
>Lets ignore the fact that an explosions would have been heard hundreds of meters away
So many witnesses talking about bombs, explosions, and the tell-tale sound of "controlled demo" bombs
>aka rapid successive explosions
>boom boom boom boom boom
>>55213067
>Inside trading
Ahhhh again the myth that somebody made billions of bucks because he knew something like this would happen.
So first of all what happened:
11 September = American Airline machines were used to fly into the World Trade Center
Days-weeks after : The stock market value of AA was falling.
But what happened before:
Days before the attacks AA said they would not hold their profit they calculated with. profit warning were issued. ( Happened 7th September )
Goldman Sachs issued the same thing and warned people to buy the AA stcoks. ( 10th September )
Less than 5000 options were issued that day, in other words betting that the stock market value would increase in the next days/weeks.
http://www.911myths.com/html/selling_amr.html
Next kiddo
>>55213600
>>NIST REPORT!
>>The building fell on its own!
>>Here is the data on how it fell
>>CLASSIFIED
>>CLASSIFIED
>>CLASSIFIED
>>Conclusion; The building fell on its own.
also
>WE DIDNT INVESTIGATE THAT
>THIS EVIDENCE DOESN'T EXIST
>CANT EXPLAIN THAT
>>55213834
Between September 6 and 7, the CBOE saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options. Assuming that 4,000 of the options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the imminent attacks, these „insiders“ would have profited by almost $5 million.
On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again, there was no news at that point to justify this imbalance; again, assuming that 4,000 of these options trades represent „insiders“, they would represent a gain of about $4 million.
[The levels of put options purchased above were more than six times higher than normal.]
No similar trading in other airlines occurred on the Chicago exchange in the days immediately preceding Black Tuesday.
Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co, which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6. Morgan Stanley’s share price fell from $48.90 to $42.50 in the aftermath of the attacks. Assuming that 2,000 of these options contracts were bought based upon knowledge of the approaching attacks, their purchasers could have profited by at least $1.2 million.
Merrill Lynch & Co, with headquarters near the Twin Towers, saw 12,215 October $45 put options bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume in those shares had been 252 contracts per day (a 1200% increase). When trading resumed, Merrill’s shares fell from $46.88 to $41.50; assuming that 11,000 option contracts were bought by „insiders“, their profit would have been about $5.5 million.
European regulators are examining trades in
>>55206315
No, but several thousand tons of burning skyscraper fell on it.
>>55213834
hahahah, at least you posted a source! I'll bump the GERMan fag citing score up to 3 now...
But your shill site is shit. It doesn't address the IMMENSE amount of put options on AA.
>There was an unusually large jump in purchases of put options on the stocks of UAL Corp. and AMR Corp. in the three business days before the attack on major options exchanges in the United States. On one day, UAL put option purchases were 25 times greater than the year-to-date average. In the month before the attacks, short sales jumped by 40 percent for UAL and 20 percent for American.
And it doesn't go into detail on other problems.
As for 'Goldman Sachs'...
>a jewish financial firm, telling people to buy something right before a catastrophe
Heard of the Rothschilds and Waterloo? Or do you think that's a conspiracy too?
>pic related
It seems like small potatoes for us, but for a millionaire / billionaire, you WILL make a mint.
>More from the SEC
This letter is in response to your request seeking access to and copies of the documentary evidence referred to in footnote 130 of Chapter 5 of the September 11 (9/11) Commission Report.
***
We have been advised that the potentially responsive records have been destroyed.
If the SEC had responded by producing documents showing that the pre-9/11 put options had an innocent explanation (such as a hedge made by a smaller airline), that would be understandable.
If the SEC had responded by saying that the documents were classified as somehow protecting proprietary financial information, I wouldn’t like it, but I would at least understand the argument.
But destroyed? Why? (See Afterword for additional details.)
Did you even go to the site I posted? It goes into better detail than yours.
washingtons B L U G com/2010/06/sec-government-destroyed-documents-regarding-pre-911-put-options.html
Google nick berg. The jew who bought the tickets for the hijackers on his school terminal at school and then was featured in a beheading isis video 2 years later.
On May 14, 2004, it was revealed that Nick Berg had been investigated during the U.S. government's investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui. Berg's email address had been used by Moussaoui prior to the September 11, 2001, attacks. According to Berg's father, Nick Berg had a chance encounter with an acquaintance of Moussaoui on a bus in Norman, Oklahoma. This person had asked to borrow Berg's laptop computer to send an email. Berg gave the details of his own email account and password, which were later used by Moussaoui. The FBI found that Berg had no direct terrorism connections or direct link with Moussaoui.[19]
>>55213260
>the official report claims and explanations are logically and physically inconclusive and cannot lead to the conclusions made
>hahah goyim you can't say the report is right on one side and then wrong on another thats makes you a hypocrite conspiracy theorist
>let me tell you the truth by quoting the liars
Le happy merchants government shills arrived...
>>55214372
ok, thats all from me.
>>55204513
how come it didnt melt the engine before it even hit the towers. how could a plane fly across the world with the steel melting jet fuel. (not saying this particular plane was from across the world.) how couild it even get off the ground.
>>55213460
>3 buildings
>2 planes
Actually even more building :^)
Pic related
>Guys the debris hitting the other building dont count right g...guys?
>nice video you got there...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJJPYTVjxug#t=1m17s
Even a fool like you is going to see it
You see how the steel columns bend INWARDS?
You know contradicting your entire theory of bombs because explosions always go from the inside to the outside
>har har, I didn't know they tried to use dogs... Bomb sniffing dogs are only useful PRIOR to the event.... Did they tour the inside of the WTC?
Jesus christ you are so uninformed it hurts.
I hope you know that the building was actually in an terrorism attack before right?
Since then bomb-sniffing dogs were mandatory in the WTC.
Every day.
>uh huh...
>Acts like a kid
>Didnt psot anything disproving
Lol okay
>How does that help your case?
Are you mentally challanged ? Serious question now
How does this fact help "my" cause? You know planting bombs in a building that was visited by 50 000 per day is ridiculous enough. Did you ever watch a show/documentation about controlled demolition?
They are forced to use cable to get the electrical impule to the "explosive", even for smaller building you need thousand meter of it. But not even one meter was found inside the WTC ruins.
And dont forget not even one evidance wa found in the ruins for explosives
>HAHAHAHAHAH YEP! THEY SURE WOULD BE!
Autistic to the core oike a real truther, what did i expect.
So whats the difference between a bomb , an explosion and a sound like an explosion?
The bomb is an explosive, an explosion can be caused by something else than a bomb and a sound like an explosion can be caused by nearly everything.
now lets hear like a controlled demolition sounds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2E_m7l2Rww
And now lets compare it to the WTC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-9TD3oQq3g
In other words 40 sources and no evidance at all
>>55214883
Even a fool like you is going to see it
You see how the steel columns bend INWARDS?
You know contradicting your entire theory of bombs because explosions always go from the inside to the outside
Jew, when you take a building down you displace the internal steel core. That core then falls, bending the external structure with it.
>Refuse to believe their country was attacked by angry shit-skins
>Instead would rather believe it was their own government
It doesn't have to melt steel beams. Steel, concrete, glass, the entire dead-load of a structure like a sky-scraper is incredibly heavy. On top of that you have the live-load of all the people who work there. These structures need to be designed by highly trained engineers and architects just to stand up. If you compromise that complex web of tension and support in any meaningful way the building is going down.
>>55214463
>Immense amount of options
That wasnt a insane ammount champ your green text is false information because and deluding yourself at the same time.
5000 options on falling stocks for a single company isnt a huge ammount.
And i even said why that happened .
>Heard of the Rothschilds and Waterloo? Or do you think that's a conspiracy too?
Still no evidance
>pic related
Your picture is just showing that the value of both companies dropped. Something that would be normal in case of an terrorist attack.
The reason why the "deals" were made can be explained with the stock market weeks/days prior.
So i will just make this post short:
>You:Did you hear about the billions that were made because somebody knew that terrorst would attack
>Me : Actually the options that were made on the stock market didnt give such a huge benefit and could have been used to make billions of money ( didnt happen ) and were a result of events days/weeks prior to 9/11
>You : No you are wrong ( doesnt have source that says otherwise ) and it were the jews
Cool story seriously you and your lack of evidance is sure showing.
>>55214574
Wow
*realisation*
>>55215011
God i can finally go to sleep thank you pointing that out because everytime a stupid nigger is sayig that i'm just gong to post this video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8lrTy5mrZY#t=2m33s
Stop the video at 2:34.
What do you see?
Thats right the inner steel columns standing inside the dust.
In other words the video itself is a proof tha no bombs were used.
In other words thx for discussing a topic you have no clue about . Got to sleep now its 1 A.M here good night kid.
An advice from a probably much older person: If you see something read about it, but never use one source alone.
>>55215271
sarcasm?>>55215271
>>55215566
KEKKEKEK what. This is literally a generic video of the collapse. Time and place where the steel beams are? Thats literally a separate building in front of it you dumb fuck. God germans are dumb.
>>55214491
Oh kay, that one is news to me....
>>55205941
>explain the pools of melted steel below the towers.
Classic misdirection
>>55216282
>refutes steel beams were melted.
>Asked to explain images of molten steel in the debris.
>Classic misdirection
>>55215566
I like how you then ignore building 7....
But hey, you're up to 4 sources to my FORTY!
>those controled demolitions in WTC 7
>windows get blown out in a synchronized manner
>building suddenly falls
GOOD JOB CONTRADICTING YOURSELF germ
>>55216377
Think about it tho
>>55206952
lets do this...
>>55216377
thermite.
if there was jet fuel melting steel beams within an hour, how could it sit there on the floor.
how could the jet even hold fuel that would melt it.
>>55214455
even though it was several blocks from the wtc? and the buildings adjacent to the wtc did not collapse or catch fire?
You have to admit is was a bit suspicious m8
>>55213834
BTFO!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z5BnihtWfs
"Robert Baer" former cia
"The man went into his Brokerage the next day and said CASH ME OUT its going down tomorrow"
>>55207305
Wonder who Lemmy wrote this one about?
We are the homeless, lost in space
Wandering searching out of place
Now we find you, our journeys end
You must vanish, your world must make amends
We are coming to kill you, declaration of war
You have seen us in the sky, now you must die
We bring you sorrow, no time to say goodbye
You have seen a thousand years of fire in the sky
We come to battle we will end your hopes and dreams
So die now choking on your screams
Oh
You will not see us, but we are here
Breathing deep, your atmosphere
Your world is ours, and now we call
We are the others, inside your walls
We all come to waste you, to watch you die
Some of us among you, our trusted spies
We are your masters, we feel no remorse
You have no chance against us, we live for war
You will be gone forever, no fever dreams
Die then choking on your screams
Your time has come now, accept the fact
We are the stronger race, you will die like rats
Bow to the eternal law, cruel and extreme
Die choking on your screams, on your screams, choking on your screams
>>55206883
CIA/Mossad are patsies for freemasons.
>>55206914
is this fucking legit?
>>55204513
tfw NSA is all over this thread.
> tfw when my grandkids will try to redpill me about Israelis bombing the fuck out of Americans
sure.
but give it fuel and plenty of air. you know the kind that blows hard that far up will do this thing where the fire gets hotter.
like a blacksmith.
>>55218008
Israelis won't exist by then.
>>55218017
Is that what happened in WTC7? Where a couple of window fires led to a picture-perfect building demo?
>>55206390
>>55206405
even if they did implode wtc7, who cares there was nobody in it anyway
>>55218047
Why wouldn't they exist? If they're ever in danger, they'll just bomb some more Americans.
>>55218078
>too stupid to understand building are designed to do that when they are really tall in a urban area for safety issues.
it is like you are a pleb and are only speaking on things you "feel" are right instead if reality.
>>55205150
Wrong engine type shekelburgstein.
>>55215235
Maybe it just fell down on it's own. Buildings are really heavy. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
Debunkers can throw the steel beams can be "weakened to collapse" position around all they want.
>BUT you cannot explain why the impact caused the building to IMPLODE outward thrusting beams over 70mph LATERALLY instead of asymmetrically for a collapse.
>TRY TRY as hard as you can YOU CANNOT DEBUNK that and NO ONE ever has.
>>55213154
>it colapses due to furniture fire, not to oil fire
>furniture fire can melt steal beams
>and some people on pol believe it was the oil fire
amerikucks lol
>>55206870
747: 920 km/hr 105 tons
B-25:438 km/hr 10.15 tons
Different structures
B-25 was not going top speed, and did not tilt wings before impact
Maybe you shouldn't have skipped physics class for more of Arab cocksucking 101 bongfriend :^^)
>>55218206
b-but I really wanted the Chicago Shattergraves to be real one day...
>>55207086
you dumb bastard follow the money trail. Iraq = Oil = Money. The buildings were insured and Silverstein was compensated for losses by US government for losses. Win. Well played. The juden win again.
>>55216659
Dude are you trolling, its a combustion engine. It burns fuel the engine derived from com busting fuel combined with sucked in air it to propel a plane. Are you downright retarded.
>>55218795
Jet engines are made out of steel. If burning jet fuel was capable of melting steal the engine would destroy itself mid-flight. Only thermite is capable of melting steel.
>>55218588
jew logic.
>jetfuel weakend steel beams
>it wasnt the crash
>empire state building was hit by less force
>didnt fall because of that
>wut
>>55218915
Wew lad, they burn fuel at a reasonably slow rate. Not a ton of fuel in the matter of a second.
>>55205424
>Nobody claimed jet fuel can melt steel, just that it made it softer/more malleable and unable to withstand the loads it was supporting.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT STARTED THOSE ARGUMENTS WITH "TINFOIL HATS", DID THAT YEARS AGO
How it happened years ago:
>random youtube Video show tower 7 falling, or some chat/forum start to talk about it for some reason
>some conspiracy theory user tell its a conspiracy because no plane hit the tower
>some random person that knows almost nothing about 9/11 and is not a conspiracy theorist, get curious about this whole situation and ask "how the hell did this happen? WTF"
>a user jump in, and explain its because jet fuel melted steal beams. Many times those guys act like debunkers, trying to shove the real truth into people
>9/11 newfag think "ok this explain the stuff"
>conspiracy fag start to argue with the debunker telling jet fuel cant melt steel beams
nowadays its like this
>almost same stuff as before, but conspiracy theory guy say on his original comment (because he remember the past like a normal human), that jet fuel cant melt steel beams
>debunkers say it cant, but it weakened the steel that so, allowed the whole stuff to happen
If the "debunkers" likes to much the truth, why he didnt said "it cant melt but it can weaken the entire stuff" in the past?.
Also when those new "debunkers" were when in the past his "friends" were spelling fake bullshit on internet (saying it can melt steel), why those guys suddenly appeared now?
>>55207086
>Conspiracy theorists: why do you think WTC7 was destroyed? How did it fit into the government's master plan?
"
TERRORISM
There was a discussion of terrorism. Terrorism would be used widely in Europe and in other parts of the world. Terrorism at that time was thought would not be necessary in the United States. It could become necessary in the United States if the United States did not move rapidly enough into accepting the system. But at least in the foreseeable future it was not planned. And very benignly on their part. Maybe terrorism would not be required here, but the implication being that it would be indeed used if it was necessary. Along with this came a bit of a scolding that Americans had had it too good anyway and just a little bit of terrorism would help convince Americans that the world is indeed a dangerous place, or can be if we don't relinquish control to the proper authorities. "
