Why don't you want to start building society, free from marxsim?
Our plan at that moment:
0. We start as corporation.
[?]. Establish the free fleet of Wyatt Mann.
1. Buy the old sea platform\oil rig\or something like that. [Why in water? Because no one owns the ocean. We can be a new nation absolutely legally].
2. Starting from the "deep bottom": we should organize recycling of waste from rich countries [they actually pay for that]. We need kind of plant, where we can collect resources from garbage: electronic and electric equipment, glass, metal, plastic. Look what barbars in Africa do with free resources:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXDrIvShZKU
Also, we should start sea farming and gardening.
On that step we also must establish power generation. Let's start from wind turbines.
3. Next level - ship\auto\avia graveyard. Recycling\repair - and we will get a transport for us. [We can't use cars in sea, but they're still nice source of engines and parts].
4. Artiical island creation, platform(s) expansion.
5. Creating a place for technological startups.and proclamation of the State.
Your opinion?
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>>55194187
>Diamond Dogs.. Our new home.
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No one interested?
>>55196496
I like it!!
>>55196914
woah
>>55196914
Nobody except you
Water living is cool but land is still very cheap and that's the main inhibitor of water cities
>>55194187
that sounds great desu
>>55198035
But where can we get unclaimed land? Only in Antarctica.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Byrd_Land
>>55198035
problem is there's no unclaimed land so creating a new country needs to create land too
>>55194187
UN laws cover international waters
Its a nice idea
>>55198035
not to mention the fucking cost of making a city in water, no one could afford that but a government
>>55198248
>Only in Antarctica.
could be still cheaper than floating devices but less cool
>>55198314
does that mean you can't make anything there too?
Yeah, I always tought about this. I remember some guys buyed a platform in the ocean and declared it as a country. It is possible.
>>55198481
http://www.sealandgov.org/
Found it
>>55198481
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
>>55198384
Big guys wouldn't like it.
>>55198419
too late
You know this could be the new frontier for white men and we wouldn't have to fuck it up like america by letting niggers in
>>55198384
No, but you're asking for trouble. There is no escaping UN resolutions and it would only be a matter of time before Waco 2.0 by a UN 'peacekeeping' force
>>55198597
If USA wouldn't nobody in UN would.
>>55198511
cool
>>55198597
that would be the same trouble if you take an already existing country though
>>55198655
if you try to make a dissident country usa un and everyone would
>>55198571
but who let the niggers in though? that's the root of the problem
>>55198772
>if you try to make a dissident country usa un and everyone would
Why?
>>55198772
the jews had a 30% slave ownership rate when whites had a 2.5% ownership rate.
So no jews?
>>55198655
How would the city state defend itself? Merely transporting weapons to it would warrant action based on UN arms trafficking resolutions, even in international waters
Nevertheless, I like your idea
>>55198885
because that's how the new world order works
just look at the shit countries who are somehow dissidents get
>>55198942
definitely
>>55194187
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
>>55195307
came in here just to make a MGSV reference
fuck now I'm going to go play it.
>>55199028
How do you keep the jews out when they trap you with money games and greed?
If everyone on /pol/ gave around $7,000 per year, we could build our own artificial island within ten years.
China's project in the South China Sea will cost around five billion over ten years, and /pol/'s population is around 70,000. So, the math checks out.
>>55198998
>How would the city state defend itself?
that's the main problem
even bigger maybe than the gorillions dollars needed
>>55194187
If you're planning on recycling from rich countries, you could reclaim all the gold on electrical components and build up a gold reserve. It would take a while to get anything substantial but it would pay for other things you would need to operate..
>>55199117
>$7,000
shit, that's a ton, I wis I could
>>55199152
Require all citizens over the age of 18 to carry a gun at all times and firearm training mandatory in school
>>55199210
You Eurofags would be at an advantage, because your currency is so strong.
>tfw no strong dollar
>>55198998
Do you remember, that we have shipyard\airport\helipad and recycling plant? We have electronic and electric equipment and other. We can build our own arm factory. Rockets look like an easiest form of "smart" and effective weapon. And we can build our own army and navy with warships and avia fleet. Of course it would be shitty one, but still.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnLhWpy_nqI
Just do what this guy did he collected a bunch of water bottles put a net over em and just built on top of it
>>55199318
I's nice material indeed, but only for small projects.
>>55199105
I'm not really sure how to do that
the easiest way would be to redpill the whole population which is practically impossible
I'd say we're fucked
interesting...
>>55194187
Nations DO OWN the ocean.
The only "international waters" are in deep waters. All waters shallow enough to support basins for islands to form on are under ownership of various nations.
And your idea is a nice one BUT the simple fact is you'll be invaded by nations who will refuse to recognize your sovereignty.
>>55199230
I like the idea
but that would not be enough for exterior threats like un
>>55199514
then we need floating devices
>>55199587
>>55194187
>Establish the free fleet of Wyatt Mann
>>55199514
I don't like the island idea just make hexagon floating platforms and that way you can just connect and disconnect areas.
GUYS, YOU DON'T GET IT.
While we would be weak - we would be just a company "Generous name here". We will pay the taxes, we will obey the laws - until the day we will find out us ready to take our place in this world of eternal struggle.
>>55199362
get some industrial styrofoam blocks and just pop them underneath they are extremely buoyant and cheap and will never sink
>>55199689
>>55194187
Hey dumb ass... Convince the most fortunes in the world it's the end of world and go with them to colonize Mars...
I'm sure they have enough money to be sure to nott die there as Mars one would do...
Since you all consider yourselves as super human that need super harsh conditions to feel alive, please BTFO and go to Mars...
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hHK6XU0.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>55199768
jews aren't that simple minded
>>55199838
yes exactly.
that way its cheap enough that regular people can afford to just do it
Well, about defence... I believe we should make an huge amount of cheap UAV\USV and make them the first line of our forces.
>>55198511
Is serious to live there or is just a meme?
>>55199414
Considering that most of the intro population would be /pol/ we should be able to pretty easily redpill anyone who comes in after the first wave.
>>55200063
>>55199587
why are threats even an issue. Besides like somali pirates but that's why you train people to use guns.
If you live on the hexagon things if the UN tries to tax you or claim ownership you just break apart and reform elsewhere
We'd need a nuke so stronger countries don't try fucking with us.
>>55200285
Go kill aliens on mars
>>55200209
its pretty much just a meme they sell titles like Duke and baron and i think they are trying to get an online gambling website up
>>55200312
easy their north korea all you need to do is just say naw to them and float away if you choose the hexagon platforms
It would end up in gay sex 100%
>>55200209
>>55200345
Yeah, I was investigating and it is just a meme.
>>55200285
that doesn't sounds very plausible
>>55200483
why do you think so?
>>55200312
There is very big chance to democratized into stone age if USA will find out our experiments.
>>55200633
I think he is talking about the male to female ratio of /pol/
>>55200613
what are they going to do kill the floating islanders? How will they justify it to the general population?
>>55200713
like they've never done this before
also OP thinks we need to recycle trash why not just fish and practice skilled trades like carpentry?
>>55194187
While this is a good idea, Russiabro, a traditional city-state would require the existence of a larger nation-state for both economic prosperity (unless we want to be a shitty farming commune) as well as security.
While this would be possible, we'd need to be careful to not spook our host nation-state; don't want them to suddenly discover an insular, high-tech group of Nazis right?
Also, Pitcairn is a better choice than building a sea platform.
>>55200700
There are women who're ready for adventures. There are women who're redpilled.
There are women who're just love the ocean..
>>55200802
wouldn't economic treaties and allies make the trick?
>>55200713
Who is going to care if they take out a small island nation of what many will probably call "nazis".
>>55200925
I never said I agreed, just that I think that is what he was talking about.
>>55200958
replied to the wrong person
>>55200799
>we need to recycle trash
Because free resources.
You are under the wrong impression that we would need outside help to be a sustainable nation, but you are wrong. We can be without ties, ´claiming the head spot of the world's most glorious nations within a couple generations.
>>55194187
>Why don't you want to start building society,
Because it has been proven time and again that if you create a perfect society free of all the bad things that make society shit glorious Europe will invade it and destroy the thing that makes you so great.
Don't believe me?
Just look what they did to America
>>55200928
they don't know what nazism is like and we don't need to persecute anyone just banish them to living a life of solidarity in the ocean. If they commit crimes we just take them close to land and sink there vessal
>>55199689
Just shitloads of barges and floating pontoons lashed together with rope.
The main industry would initially be oil exploration and fish farming/commercial fishing/whaling. Once we have enough exports we can trade for materials to build up renewable energy production, satelite communication and space launch facilities. Nuclear waste disposal facilities. Particle physics facilities. Sub ocean research facilities. Offshore banking and wealth transfer businesses. Maritime trade hub. Carbon neutral data centers.
In terms of dealing with the political situation. operate outside areas of interest to the US navy or areas which conflict with US interests which precludes most of the northern hemisphere. Obey international maritime norms but vigorously enforce territorial waters and EEZ of 200 nautical miles. Total Maritime surveillance out to 1500 nautical miles. form alliances with other micro states. Total economic liberalisation.
>>55200925
Yes, but as long as there is at least two nation-states in the world, our little experiment would require being on the side of one. We literally could not be self-sufficient in any meaningful sense, since our continued security would require in the explicit or implicit support of some nation-state, and that would require us to be their little bottom bitch.
>>55200713
"The military just completed a raid today on an offshore population of armed and dangerous political extremists"
>>55200993
True i'm not saying we cant do that but you can easily make money with skilled trades and just purchase what you want instead of going through the trash like a bunch of savages. And what are you going to do with the garbage you cant recycle they'd throw a fit if you threw it in the ocean
>>55201085
>being this stupid
It doesn't matter if they don't know what nazism is like or not (and nazism is fucking stupid), what matters is their perception of it.
How are you going to enforce the laws? This hypothetical city-state would require the support of a larger nation-state, and they're not going to be too happy if we suddenly start shipping fags and niggers off our island.
>>55201121
I honestly think that manpower will be a larger issue than resources. Even if we acquire the resources required to pull this off we will need large numbers of people and if we allow unchecked immigration then this whole thing has no point.
>>55200633
Dude like the guys on the navy start fucking eachother after being in there for a day.
Imagine living with a bunch of horny neets and not being able to run away.
>>55201176
You need the big capital to start it. And recycling of waste did not require it.
>>55199318
>9:55
>you are floating, in the ocean, and you put in the middle of the island a satellite dish, with mirrors in it, you can focus the sun to make a hot spot in the middle of the island...
>...and create your own tornado
>and you even fly the island like that
>>55194187
>Start island nation
>Jews come along and culturally enrich it
Or
>Start island nation
>Uncle Sam destroys it for not being diverse
>>55201121
>The main industry would initially be oil exploration and fish farming/commercial fishing/whaling. Once we have enough exports we can trade for materials to build up renewable energy production, satelite communication and space launch facilities. Nuclear waste disposal facilities. Particle physics facilities. Sub ocean research facilities. Offshore banking and wealth transfer businesses. Maritime trade hub. Carbon neutral data centers.
How are you going to do that? Do you seriously expect there to be enough skilled /pol/fags willing to work those jobs? Do you think there will be enough rich /pol/acks, or investors in those industries, to get it going? If we're basically whoring ourselves out to a corporation or other nation-state in order to get investments, say good bye to any reasonable self-determinations.
>In terms of dealing with the political situation. operate outside areas of interest to the US navy or areas which conflict with US interests which precludes most of the northern hemisphere. Obey international maritime norms but vigorously enforce territorial waters and EEZ of 200 nautical miles. Total Maritime surveillance out to 1500 nautical miles.
With what? At best, this nautical city-state would grow to a few hundred.
> form alliances with other micro states
Hah
>Total economic liberalisation
Except you're still the bottom-bitch of whatever corp or nation-state is guaranteeing your sovereignty.
>>55199047
Sealand FTW
>>55201672
You just find people that already have those jobs and give them incentives to come join making sure they have a compatible ideology which most people in their profession probably do
>>55199318
>Stupid hippy creates a floating house
Yeah, now get enough bottles to support a dormitory, or a dock or warehouse.
>>55195403
this, I want to live here
City staters have always been delusional. They're not rich and great because they are city states. They're only city states because they were already rich and great enough to stand up to the far larger nation states that make up their neighbors.
Does anyone know if this is still a thing?
http://www.iiicitadel.com/about.html
>>55201933
Hutterites are up to 40k people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterite
>>55201379
>I honestly think that manpower will be a larger issue than resources
They're both very difficult to obtain. Manpower would likely be the easier one, depending on how picky you were.
Unless there are a bunch of very rich /pol/lacks that wanna sink millions into the project it's not gonna happen.
But the fact of the matter is you should meed these people irl and build a community within your nation before even trying to build a new country.
>>55199047
>>55201759
>Sealand
Is an utterly irrelevant, dreary piece of metal out in the middle of nowhere whose only economic service is selling its novelty.
>>55201769
How are you going to get the initial investment? All those industries that anon listed are EXTREMELY expensive when you're doing them on any appreciable scale.
>fish farming/commericial fishing
Worthless out in the deep ocean
>whaling
Possible
>Renewable... satellite communication
Would be required in the first place to even get the city off the ground
>Space Launch
AHAHAHHAHAHA
>Nuclear waste disposal
Yeah, I'm sure the UN (or the USA in particular) will let you just dump nuke waste in concrete tombs into the ocean.
>Particle Physics
AHAHAHHAHAHA
>Sub ocean research facilities
Still requires a large initial investment, which means you're the bitch of whoever invests in you.
>Offshore banking
Yeah, I'm sure rich fucks will trust in the dinky little raft with a server rack.
>Maritime trade hub
Do you know how large the city would have to be to even attract the smallest of trading corporations? Absolutely unfeasible, especially since most super-haulers can go anywhere in the world; no need for a stop off hub.
>Data centers
Same problem with the offshore banking idea.
>>55201777
like i said styrofoam its cheap, waterproof, Extremely buoyant and lasts forever then just connect them with not rusting metals like aluminum or high chrome steal
>>55194187
Are there people actually living on abandoned oil platforms?
>>55202032
>Walls
>Doing anything besides stopping beaners
Walls stopped being relevant when we moved past trebuchet.
>>55202102
True
>>55202185
>>Doing anything besides stopping beaners
Thats what the guns are for
>>55202126
The amount of sub-structure you'd need to support any meaningful population or industry is immense; not to mention the fact that you'd need engines for your city-island so that it doesn't float away.
>>55202141
Yes, but they're usually dependent on offshore business to support them, as well as having to pay out the ass for deliveries. The ones that are self sufficient are extremely small in population, and still needed to pay out the ass to get the soil and seeds there in the first place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLTYIHfwcpA
>>55202303
yea you'd need oceanographers and weather people to track storms and currents
Offshore engineer here who designs floating structures. Ask me anything
>>55202418
How viable is all this circle jerking, or would Polonia be doomed to being the pet project of some international megacorp.
>>55194187
That's sound extremely LARPY but at the same time extremely cozy
>>55202418
is styrofoam or air containers better for creating cheap and lasting floats?
Real offshore engineer here
Don't trust this guy >>55202418 he's a liar
>>55202418
How possible to make stable floating structure from literally garbage?
>>55202126
>lasts forever
it gets destroyed pretty fast not sure if because of water or not
There's so many problems to this idea it's not even funny.
Because you declare a nation doesn't mean other nations will recognize it. And because you have no rights in the Geneva convention or any other international treaty, they could just bomb you for no fucking reason. And because you'd have to retract citizenship of any other country, you'd have no rights as either citizens or enemy combatants.
You'd basically be seen as pirates. And they would be ruthless to you if you ever pissed them off.
>>55202882
Using styrofoam and covering it with non corrosive materials is working backwards if you ask me.
First you make the rigid outside structure than you fill it with an instantly setting polyurethane foam compound.
>>55203047
This; the only way to legitimize this idea is if you basically said to Uncle Sam or Shlomo "Hey, we'll do some under the table stuff for you, but only if you let us have our "own" laws wink wink nudge nudge"
>>55203164
Instead of going to all this trouble to make your styrofoam island work why not just buy a container ship and build on top of that
>>55203192
That, or organize some sort of national insitution with a set of customs and traditions. If you could get 500 - 1000 people together to vote to establish their own self-constitution, you could potentially be recognized with a nation-status by other nations.
If it's just like, 10 - 20 people who buy their own yacht looking for fun in international waters, they won't like it.
>>55203329
>If you could get 500 - 1000 people together to vote to establish their own self-constitution, you could potentially be recognized with a nation-status by other nations.
Possibly, but it would still require a guarantee of sovereignty by at least one relevant nation. No one is going to give a shit if Luxembourg is the only one to accept Polonia's claim.
>>55203254
I think the basic Idea was to start with something like that and use floating pontoons to expand.
While anything needing true stability would be unsuited for the 'foam island' I could see them working as quick and cheap way to obtain extra space for at least some basic farming.
This is all theorycraft anyway.
Sorry had to do something.
>>55202462
Some are okay and some are straight up bad. >>55195740 for example. The long bridges are bad since it exposes the structure to several different waves at once. This will cause a unsymmetrical response and have large bending moments and lots of fatigue.
>>55202528
Steel with sacrificial anodes.
>>55202560
Define trash. How large of a structure?
>>55203566
>I could see them working as quick and cheap way to obtain extra space for at least some basic farming
Yes. Also platforms from plastic bottles.
Maybe you (the ones with skills on something~) may look to move here.
https://liberland.org/en/main/
>>55203734
Oh and furthermore, the natural period of the structure in heave would be all jacked up. The waterplane area is relatively high compared to the mass of the structure(low displacement) which means it has a high response in heave. Coupled with the fact that the spar mid section will restrict roll and pitch movements and the the bridges essentially act as levers. When a wave passes over the outer section, it will create retarded torque at the midsection.
>>55201379
>implying unchecked immigration is a bad thing.
I don't care what colour the guy who's painting the pontoons is as long as he's willing to work for $2 hour.
>>55203848
>Slavic libertarian nation
No thanks.
>>55203848
It's a dead myth.
>>55203734
We have metal from ships, cars and planes. We have plastic and glass. Platforms like this.
>>55194187
Awesome thread. Thanks for the image dump, Russiabro
>>55204056
Yeah, I don't see why not. Depending on what conditions it needs to withstand. There's some battered dogshit in the gulf that still takes hurricanes. Like old concrete deck jacket platforms that were still producing a couple years ago.
It's probably cheaper to go new, from a serviceability and safety standpoint and from the fact that you have to process all the old garbage.
>>55203848
I wonder how many migrants go through there each day.
1) we get one of this monsters
2) buy cheap shit from china
3) sell anywhere tax free
4) buy more
5) get rich
>>55204448
And how much new platforms costs?
>>55204859
It really depends on a lot of factors. Anywhere from tens of millions to billions.
>>55204260
You're welcome.
>>55204516
that wouldn't make a country though
