Give me one reason all drugs shouldn't be legalized and taxed without resorting to muh feels or to prevent other crime that's already illegal.
>protip: you can't.
Because people on drugs do stupid shit and I don't want to lose someone I love because of your terrible decisions.
>>56572108
Do you agree with me on the fact that around 75-90% of americans are absolutely retarded? Like think of all the retard millenials dying for a fucking socialist kike or the literal anti christ (shillary), think of the niggers and white apologists blindly supporting Black Lives Matter when most of the shit they're protesting is when a nigger literally tries to murder a cop and gets popped for it. Think of all the people that blindly support bruce jenner because he has a mental illness that's 'hip.' Think of the obese that can't control their eating, and sister-fucking hillbillies.
Now give these fucking morons unfettered access to cocaine, heroin, meth, etc. An obnoxious amount of them would be addicted in no time at all, then crime rates skyrocket.
Weed never hurt anyone, and party drugs like ecstasy are hard to REALLY abuse, but I don't trust my retarded countrymen with shit as addicting as coke, meth, and heroin.
Psychedelics like mushrooms and LSD should be legalized, but they never will be.
Heroin and coke need to stay in the trash where they belong.
>>56572108
drugs I've used:
>caffeine
>nicotine/tobacco
>alcohol
>cannabis (regularly)
>shrooms
>synthetic cannabinoids
>25B-NBOMe
>MDMA
>methamphetamine
>crack cocaine
>powder cocaine
>Ritalin
>adderall
>vyvanse
>Xanax
>Klonopin
>Hydrocodone, Opana ER, Tylenol #3, Ultram, Carisoprodol
>Lexapro, Wellbutrin, Abilify, Prozac, and Seroquel
Still haven't used LSD or heroin :(
>>56572444
A lot of what's sold as LSD isn't really LSD.
>>56572359
>drugs like ecstasy are hard to REALLY abuse
MDMA is addictive and likely to cause permanent long term problems.
>>56572202
Right now it's more likely some drug pusher gangster will kill one of your loved ones because keeping drugs illegal promotes criminal behaviour.
Also history has shown that decriminalizing drugs does not increase the numbers of people taking drugs.
Because legalizing will increase usage, the most popular drugs are the ones which are legal, because they are legal.
>>56572108
>Starts thread to debate topic
>Ends with, protip: you can't
Good job OP you fucking dumb cunt. How about you go OD instead of trying to get people to like you on the internet.
>>56572444
nobody cares about that at all kid
>>56572202
>>56572359
>>56572423
>muh feels
>>56572919
What do you mean? Don't drugs make you cool?
>>56572819
Go shitpost somewhere else, abo
>>56572962
Come on cunt, you can try harder than that. I mean, at least you were able to recognize what country I was from because of my flag. That's pretty good for an American.
>>56572948
i said something about feels in my post?
oh you just made it up because you have no rebuttal, you just wanted a bunch of libertarians to agree with you that drugs should be legalized so you'd feel some misguided sense of vindication after your dad grounded you from playing xbox for the night because he found a joint under your teddy bear
kill yourself, or at least enjoy getting your ass kicked in high school
>>56572730
Not true. Anytime a drug has been decriminalized there was a spike in use but comes back down to previous levels or lower.
>>56572202
Only stupid people on drugs do stupid shit. These stupid people also do stupid shit not on drugs.
>>56573089
The problem is, most people using drugs are fucking stupid.
>>56572444
Once you've done one opiate, you've done them all for the most part. The only thing that really stands out is shooting hydromorphone, you get this insane rush but the high doesn't last long. Other than that it's basically the same shit.
Marijuana should be legalized. Shrooms, too, but in moderation (I know how stupid that sounds).
I dunno, how to put it. Shrooms are something everybody should do once in their life. It makes you really get to know yourself.
>>56573189
i use drugs, am i stupid anon?
i'm 24 earning 100k a year with a house mortgage, 2 cars and a bike, a wife and 2 kids. and i've lived a colorful life filled with party drugs. how successful is your straightie-180 lifestyle going?
also I recommend learning a bit about history, and the drugs most important inventors throughout history used to improve creativity and productivity and discover self worth
>>56572202
>Drunk people don't do stupid shit
>>56572691
Except they would be armed.
Yeah.... that's because no drug that was made illegal in the first place was ever made legal. Until now.
In only the last few years, a much greater number of people have tried marijuana than ever in the past.
You start making crazy drugs legal for people and shit will only get worse.
>>56573066
Nope. Your weakass reasoning is what i expected to get blasted with. It is the most emotionally based reason in the thread.
>everybody is dumb
>they shouldn't be able to choose for themselves
>i don't like it, so they shouldn't have it
>you don't agree with me, obviously you are in high school
or simply
>stop liking what i don't like
>>56573189
>The problem is, most people using drugs are fucking stupid.
http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/15/why-kids-with-high-iq-are-more-likely-to-take-drugs/
https://www.thefix.com/content/iq-and-drug-use
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a26244/smart-means-sex-and-drugs-and-staying-up/
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/intelligent-people-are-more-likely-use-drugs-why
>>56573321
That's the beauty of legalization, you can moderate the dosages based on governmental standards, making most drugs safer with guidelines of usage.
>>56572529
Just buy it off darknet, like a non-retard
>>56573362
They do.
I never said they didn't either.
Nor did I say I was okay with alcohol.
>>56573393
yeah and they should sell cyanide at supermarkets too! darn gubmint infringing on MUH RIGHTS
like i said, enjoy high school kiddo
>>56572359
>literal anti christ (shillary)
Nah, if anything she would have to be the whore of babylon that preceded the anti christ.
>>56573458
>2015
>Being straight edge
You must be a fucking riot at parties
>>56572444
>>crack cocaine
>>powder cocaine
Stop trying to look cool on the internet
hey Senpai, i've got some black tar, but i don't really get high off smoking it.
i kinda don't want to slam it. what do?
>>56573516
I never said I was straight edge.
Imply harder anon, you haven't made yourself look like a big enough fool yet.
>>56573499
that is the most retarded argument i've seen today, congrats anon
>>56572423
The only reason you and most other americans can be such a lazy piece of shit is because there are so many coked up idiots who compulsively seek excessive manual labor for cheap payment.
>>56573381
>In only the last few years, a much greater number of people have tried marijuana than ever in the past.
>You start making crazy drugs legal for people and shit will only get worse.
>Marijuana
>crazy drug
Pick one
>>56572359
Then we arrest them for assaulting citizens or stealing you idiot
Keeping drugs illegal is like making guns illegal
"People wont get hurt that way and no one will get guns!"
Fuck off
>>56572444
>Still haven't used LSD or heroin :(
Then you have missed out on the two greatest drugs there are.
>>56573451
He is probably talking about that because anonymity doesn't assure its quality, accuracy, or purity.
>>56573419
Oh good! An article written by some arts major right out of college.
You showed me. I now know that every meth head is just a misunderstood genius oh my. You got me there!
>>56573499
Yeah. What's wrong with killing yourself? If someone is going to do it, they do it. You can't stop someone from taking a cyanide tab, eating buckshot, or hanging themselves. I'm not sure who you are trying to convince that I'm in high school, all i know is it's not helping your argument any.
>>56573570
So, let me get this straight: you don't drink and you don't do drugs. Unless you do, then you're just a massive fucking hypocrite
>>56573543
Slam that shit, it only gets worse from there.
>>56573734
Just because America is fucked doesn't mean the rest of the world has to go down with you.
>>56573644
>crazy drugs
As in plural.
As in not referring to marijuana at all in my last line.
Stop smoking so much wacky weed.
>>56573738
the best times i've had have been on LSD. great memories
>>56573753
They don't, but that's what good review threads are for. Mr. Lewis ships high quality LSD world wide on the cheap. It's good too, tested it with a kit
>>56573499
They sell plenty of shit at supermarkets that would kill you if you ingested it.
>>56573352
You don't capitalize pronouns, so I would have to say yes.
>>56573833
So keep your prancy little bri-ish country filled with rules while the land of the free continues to kick more ass
Id just like to mention that this thread is fucking garbage
>>56573868
Gammagoblin is doing sheets right now for $215
>>56572642
>MDMA is addictive
Nope
>likely to cause permanent long term problems.
You mean just like every other drug in existence?
>>56573802
I may have a beer or two if it's a beer I like.
I don't get drunk though and no, I don't do drugs.
I'm pretty sure you don't have sex, or only under certain circumstances when you are straight edge. Not sure about that though.
So no, I am neither straight edge or a hypocrite. Even if I was a hypocrite, I never said anything false.
Drunk people do stupid shit and high people do stupid shit. Even sober people do stupid shit, being under the influence just increases the chances of such a thing happening.
>>56573841
>implying
Implying
>implying
Implying
>implying
Implying
>implying
Implying
>implying
That backpedaling
Smh tbf senpai
>>56573949
god british people are annoying
>>56573941
You haven't kicked ass since 1783. Get over it.
>>56574114
Sorry buddy we're the British one. They're the one full of Islanders and Asians.
>>56574122
We ended world war 2 buddy
you can lick my butt now
>>56572108
Taxation creates an environment where the black market remains economically enticing for drug users (who are often poor/young or middle-class poor). It neither eliminates the problem of the drugs black market nor bring in a steady, reliable profit (and let's admit it this is profits for the state) stream for the state.
>>56574178
America did not single handily defeat Japan and Nazi Germany. Also licking your butt would require you to exit your mobility scooter.
>>56574233
>Taxation creates an environment where the black market remains economically enticing for drug users
The profit margins would be way lower than they currently are. Most of the price of illegal drugs comes from the cost of getting them past authorities.
>>56574009
kek
You are the one back pedaling.
>>56574122
Excuse me? Did i hear something? You where saying somthing about my cou tries military prowess, please, do go on.
>>56574003
Well it's a good thing half this shit will never get legalized then. Stupid decisions will be made by stupid people, drunk or sober. Even while I'm piss drunk on the verge of passing out, I still won't get in my car. I'm fine with shit like psychedelics, cannabis, maybe some controlled opiates, shit like that. It's the stimulants you need to watch out for, cocaine, meth, PCP that really send people out of fucking control.
And straight edge pretty much only covers drugs, alcohol, and tobacco nowadays
>>56574341
>where
Proof read your posts and stop shaming your country.
baka desu senpai
>>56574290
If they get rid of most of their costs, why would the profit margin go down?
>>56574233
http://time.com/4037604/colorado-marijuana-tax-revenue/
>>56574404
There their theyre, no need to get upset.
>>56572444
lol this fucking drug history and never even experienced true happiness (H)
idiot.
>>56574341
If you actually researched this instead of stealing it off another post you would know that they tried it out, said fuck it, then went with their second option.
>>56574396
That's fine if you think that.
I disagree completely and I think marijuana should be re-illegalized where ever they have legalized it.
Medical marijuana was fine. We don't need high 16-20 year olds driving around stoned as fuck.
>>56572202
This.
The irony of people like this >>56573089 are usually the same people saying "most people are stupid"
I'd rather ban alcohol than legalize other drugs. Just burn them all to ash.
>>56574114
>british
don't you know thats Australia
>>56574404
He also spelt countries wrong.
>>56574568
You reminded me of a joke.
>It is difficult to explain puns to kleptomaniacs, they take everything literally.
>>56574575
Can't argue with that fampai. Weed related accidents have been on a rise since legalization
>>56574684
do kiwis even have drugs?
its an island that no one ever goes to except peter jackson.
>>56574781
Wait, now that you have made yourself look like a dumbass on the internet you are still going to try and be a faggot. Alright, whatever.
>>56574791
I'm glad we can have a mutual agreement on something.
I personally feel the whole thing was a plot to make marijuana out to be a bad horrible drug and move to maybe even ban it, excluding highly regulated medical use.
Then when people pull out the alcohol statistics they just ban both.
But that's just crazy talk.
>>56574791
>weed related accedents
Sounds like a strawman to me. Got any proof marijuana is the cause? CHO said high drivers are either as good or a tick better/worse than drives who's bla is .06-.07
>>56573738
Yea H was probably the most enjoyable high i've ever had, although crack cocaine was surprisingly really good. It's a trash drug and it lasts for 5 mins but that 5 mins feels damn good.
For the life of me I can't figure out why booze is legal, but weed, MDMA, speed, LSD, shrooms, all other psychedelics, all dissociatives, and all stimulants EXCEPT meth are illegal.
When you understand that alcohol is basically exactly like a benzodiazepine(very VERY powerful drugs) except with a brutal dose of liver damage, the who house of cards begins to fall in.
I'm on my nightly 40mg of 3-MMC, and I have to say it's quite nice, if a little sparky in a subtle way.
>>56575130
It appears you don't even know what a strawman is.
Anon was making a statement, not retorting in regards to a specific argument.
>officer I may be drunk and high but you can't prove that's what caused my accident
What kind of next level idiocy is this?
>>56575292
because it was banned in the 1930's but it didn't stop anyone from drinking it just gave rise to gangs
same thing can be said about current illegal drugs
>>56575458
I worded that wrong.
I didn't mean to say I don't know why booze is legal.
I just don't understand the concept of banning anything else, except for maybe meth and benzos.
Methamphetamine is horrendously damaging to heart tissues, and benzos are like alcohol in that withdrawal from their addiction can be fatal.
All the other drugs just do not pose the threats that alcohol does, from a health, safety, or psychological standing.
>>56575095
Yea, I don't really see weed getting de-legalized anytime soon. It seems we've only just gotten over the reefer madness nonsense that was started in the 50's, then reinvigorated in the Reagan era
>>56575130
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0376871614008345
I just learned something:
>Under the policies of the government of Bashar al-Assad, many cannabis offences, from simple use to trafficking, reportedly often carried a sentence of life imprisonment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country
>>56575458
To add to this, I saw a local news report yesterday about e-cigs.
People are actually complaining because e-cigs are getting more popular among high school students here, while cigarettes are losing in popularity.
Only in the United States of Dumbfuckistan could people actually complain about their children finding a healthy alternative to a globally devastating habit.
"BUT OH NO! THEY'RE GETTING ADDICTED TO NICOTINE!"
So what? The shit is pretty much harmless at standard doses. It's a great nootropic stimulant, and that's scientifically validated.
If they're getting their nic-fix from e-cigs rather than cigs, I say we should celebrate. That's a fucking WIN, dammit.
To this effect, I support full drug legalization. I want people getting off cigs and booze and onto other substances, as most of them except for methamphetamine, fentanyl(and family), PCP(lots of possible brain damage with this one), and crack cocaine(heart damage, lungs) are less damaging to the body than cigs and alcohol and less damaging to the mind than alcohol.
Pic related, the "anti-war" kit.
>>56575390
>officer I may be drunk and high but you can't prove that's what caused my accident
What? Do you know know how to read? I thought i was very clear: stoned, STONED drivers are as good of drivers as drivers who's bla is .06-.07. Below the legal limit to drive. Said fuck all about driving stoned and drunk. Have a little sauce on moms spaghetti.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/25000/25800/25867/DOT-HS-808-078.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwi_zM2Z2KjJAhVOo4gKHQjzCKcQFggeMAE&usg=AFQjCNHZiBDVX5ZvvFrsxEjBcIUO9FTyOQ&sig2=POYDoF3mc58sIDykBDXUCA
>>56573516
>unironically using the current year meme
Also fuck off drugfag /pol/ is not for you
Because you have no concept of the widely debated economics of the war on drugs.
>>56576394
/new/sman here.
pls.
All the great ones had their beloved substances.
I challenge you to find a single person EVER who has both been a great contributor to humanity AND abstained from substance use.
>>56576241
>STONED
>high
Same thing. I did read.
Anon gave you sauce anyway.
>yfw you realize how many inventions were the cause of exploring creativity via drug use
This list barely scrapes the surface
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/16/10_famous_geniuses_who_used_drugs_and_were_better_off_for_it_partner/
>>56576674
what's the best way to get into psychedelics as a NEET with no connections?
>>56576762
And you said yourself, some jackass who rekts his car high and drunk. This article doesnt do a very good job of detailing the study. Was there an increase of driver whi were at fault or was it just the overall number of drivers involved in fatal accendents were tch+? Did the number of drivers with a .08+ bal change any? This is drawing pointed conclusions with out much details.
>>56574791
Traffic accidents have been steadily declining all over and in Colorado it has decrease at a greater rate than average since legalization reaching all time lows.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/08/05/since-marijuana-legalization-highway-fatalities-in-colorado-are-at-near-historic-lows/
Why is worse to have an accident on weed than one where you are distracted because 5 people are in the car having three conversations and you got too distracted to yield properly?
>>56577658
The internet and $100.
>>56572108
>Give me one reason all drugs shouldn't be legalized
they're bad
also I feel they shouldn't and have I mentioned crime yet?
crime.
>>56577658
Research Chemical Market
Believe it or not, some of the best psychedelics are "quasi-legal" in the sense that you can buy them on the clearnet, sometimes with a credit/debit card or western union/moneygram.
The following psychedelics are available on this market-
AL-LAD(like a friendlier, lighter LSD with better visuals)
1P-LSD(pretty much exactly like LSD)
ETH-LAD(between the two above in effects)
ALD-52("Orange Sunshine" acid)
4-AcO-DMT(very close to shrooms in effects, developed by Albert Hofmann who also invented LSD)
4-HO-MET(lighter trip than AcO-DMT, good visuals)
4-HO-MiPT(more sensual and alien version of a shroom trip)
5-MeO-MiPT(very sensual, almost like an MDMA roll at lower doses, high doses cause bad trips and discomfort)
DPT(very hard core, for experienced users only)
Allylescaline(dirty version of mescaline, weaker effects)
Methallylescaline(much closer to mescaline, much less needed than mescaline for a trip)
Escaline(sorta like allylescaline)
Proscaline(between Methallyl and Allyl in quality)
bk-2C-B(dirty version of 2C-B, weaker, more discomfort)
These are the noteworthy ones to try right now.
>>56578371
theyre good
>>56572108
cuz then niggers would be out of a job
>>56572108 I'm all for weed legalization but harder drugs such as heroin, meth,cocaine legal will create the land of junkies and if you know how junkies are you'd want no part in that. Non additives such as LSD and mushrooms are something the normal population can't handle and shouldn't be legal but sentences should be softer.
>>56578478
To note: pretty much all of these, unlike shrooms and LSD have an actual lethality %. You could also get permanently injured doing these research chems. Danger depending on the individual drug. But the insanity is that the safer options are banned driving people to less safe ones.
>>56572202
can you be more paranoid?
A strong society is a healthy society. A society on drugs is a sick society, thus a weak society.
As a nationalist, I want a strong society.
>legalize light drugs (cannabis, shrooms)
>tax the shit out of them
>amnesty for all convicted for light drug offenses
>drastically increase penalties for hard drugs
>mandatory addiction treatment for users
>death by firing squad for dealers and smugglers
problem solved
>>56574727
New Zealand
>>56580892
hey... i like you kid
>>56580603
Not true.
The tryptamines are all pretty much equally safe, the lysergics are all equally safe, and the escalines are all equally safe.
AL-LAD will be no more dangerous than LSD according to its chemical structure, receptor profile, and metabolic fate.
The same can be said for all the materials posted EXCEPT bk-2C-B, which is NOT an escaline, but a related phenethylamine.
Most of the chemicals I named were invented by the same men that created LSD, and 2C-B.
Alexander Shulgin made and tested all of them except bk-2C-B, and you can read the reports of these tests here-
https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal.shtml
https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal.shtml
>>56580754
a society thats not fucked up on drugs only because theyre illegal isnt strong
>>56580892
>>legalize all drugs
>>tax the shit out of them
>>amnesty for all convicted for all drug offenses
>>drastically increase penalties for real crime (robbery, theft, murder, rape)
>>provide compulsory and voluntary detox clinics
>>death by firing squad for 2 serious crime
ftfy
>>56581368
>>56580892
Tax the shit out of them?
Making drugs expensive will just keep the black market around(assuming untaxed drugs would be illegal).
The point here is to get drugs to become commercial quality-produced goods so that safety standards can be set and addiction problems much more easily managed.
>>56581303
Degeneracy comes naturally to humans if it's allowed. This is why religion is also needed for a strong society
>>56581520
I don't know how it is in the US, but here 1 gram of cannabis is 80 kn (cca 10$).
If cannabis was completely legal, farmers would switch from growing wheat that goes for 1.5kn/kg to pot that would (theoretically) go for 100kn/kg.
A tax of 200% on 1 kilogram of pot + distribution costs and profit margins for sellers would make one kilogram of cannabis cost 1000 kn.
Which means that it would be 80 times cheaper even with a 200% tax.
>>56581522
>This is why religion is also needed for a strong society
lol
>mudshit spics devoutly christian
>central and south america are shitholes
>mudshit moslems devoutly... umm.. moslem
>middle east and indonesia are shitholes
>niggers in africa devoutly christian, moslem, or voodoo
>apefrica is a shithole in its entirety
>white trash in appalachia devoutly christian
>appalachia is a complete shithole
>niggers in the ghetto devoutly christian or moslem
>ghettos are shitholes
>US prisons filled with the devoutly religious
>.....Yeah. shitholes
Could have fooled me.
SJW and Libtards want you not to expand your mind. That's why.
Mossad conspiracy checking in..
Check em
>>56584799
Nice
>>56573644
>>In only the last few years, a much greater number of people have tried marijuana than ever in the past.
gimme dat source
>>56584957
your flag is a fucking line
>>56584799
>>56585105
your planet is named after dirt
>>56585190
Your dirt is named after shit.
>>56585507
>>56585190
Your moms are serving my right and left testicles.
How long until people look down on alcohol like they do with tobacco today? I mean, smoking is objectively harmful to the body, as is drinking, so it makes sense for a similar social shift to happen. Obviously it would require the legalization of nonharmful recreational drugs like shrooms or weed to replace alcohol use.
>>56574517
Yeah, I work with a guy whos an H-head
One day he's overenthusiastic, running around (literally) all day, pays way too much attention to small insignificant details in conversation, and feels the need to interject his opinion at every possible pause in a conversation that he's not a part of.
Next day he's pissy and vomiting in the bushes, and falling asleep behind the wheel of trucks.
>>56573381
You should look into all the negative hype that was surrounding cannabis for decades before the legalization push finally worked.
It's no wonder nobody wanted to try it, you had Ad Council advertisements on TV showing that if you smoke pot, you'll shoot yourself in the head with a shotgun. Now that people have easier access to more information, they're discovering that it's a recreational drug, like alcohol, but with far less negative side effects.
>>56582025
And what has atheism brought to try to replace that? Atheism has only made culturally suicidal nihilists and relativists, and the occasional hardline Communist. People in general will tend to degeneracy, but a degeneracy that can survive is superior to one that will lead to genetic extinction.
>>56573499
They sell bleach, hornet killer, and rat poison at super markets.
Any of those WILL kill you if you ingest them.
Ban assault bleach.
Ban assault poisons.
Ban assault hornet spray.
>>56572108
They should be legal.
>>56585766
That's one of the main reasons why weed remains illegal: those who use it tend to not use alcohol or tobacco quite as much. In fact, it helps to wean the body off of those substances.
That, and the huge bankroll from the War on Drugs, and the large number of industries that Hemp could replace (paper, textiles, cloth, rope, etc.)
>>56586140
I never said atheism was the answer.
I simply refuse to believe, given the very obvious facts, that judaic religions are the answer. Nor is government and authoritarianism the answer.
I personally go with Deism.
>>56572108
>>56573381
There is a step between criminal and legal status for a drug - decriminalization. Legal status for all drugs is probably not the best approach, but there is no logical argument against decriminalization.
>pic related
Searching thread for "Portugal" -> 0 hits
Are you even trying guys?
Portugal decriminalized all drugs in 2001 and instead of throwing money at law enforcement and war on drugs they invest the money in rehabilitation of registered drug users. Pretty much any statistics that you pull on Portugal are self evident that decriminalization:
>reduces drug use
>reduces addiction cases
>reduces drug-related deaths
http://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening
>>56572444
DUUUUDE!!!
>>56572108
There is no reason. Drugs are there and widely available. People buy them and use them, despite them being illegal. Prohibition has never worked and will never work, it's just silly.
You don't even have to argue about pros and cons of specific drugs, or which drugs to regulate and which to ignore and shit like that. It's all irrelevant. People will still produce them, buy them and use them.
The question is not if we want people to use drugs or not, they already do.
>>56573539
well I did do them both and they were different despite being the same drug.
>>56588618
WEED!
>>56576134
>If they're getting their nic-fix from e-cigs rather than cigs, I say we should celebrate. That's a fucking WIN, dammit.
So much this.
I think it would be better to legalize all drugs and put all the money saved on the war on drugs towards awareness and education.
There should be a health-based approach, not a crime-based approach. (i.e. minimize public health impact instead of making everything illegal).
It has been shown time and time again most drugs are nowhere near as dangerous as alcohol, and yet alcohol is the easiest to obtain drug. It's even legal.
It could be argued heroin and cocaine are too dangerous to legalize, but people are gonna use it anyway, so I think it's much better to inform people so they know exactly what the dangers are, in the hopes of them thinking twice about doing dangerous drugs.
And most drugs (the not-so-dangerous to not-dangerous-at-all ones) should be completely legalized anyway, such as marijuana and psychedelics.
OR be consistent and ban alcohol too, but that is definitely never going to happen.
>>56572108
They're illegal because normal human beings aren't responsible enough to avoid destroying their lives, their health, and the lives of people around them without there being consequences that are out of their power and authority.
Basically a society can't be expected to moderate itself because lots of degenerates (like you, OP) will shit all over it without there being repercussion.
>>56593835
By that logic, nobody should be allowed to operate a regular car.
>>56572108
>implying that leading off with "pro tip: you can't" is not a symptom of brain damage due to drug use
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Drugs ruin lives
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No use arguing with americans about drug policy.
They've been completely indoctrinated by their government propaganda for decades and refuse to look at factual data and listen to scientists who are infinitely more wise and knowledgeable than them.
Hell, they even refuse to look back at their own history for the reasons why certain drugs were ever banned.
They treat every drug like they're all as lethal as the next one, simply because "drugs are bad m'kay", while this is completely insane.
Actually, that goes for most of the world. Fuck this world.
>>56572108
>more government revenue
they shouldn't be legalized if they're going to be taxed.
>>56572202
>Drunk people dont do stupid shit
>Sober people dont do stupid shit
>people on drugs RIGHT NOW arent doing stupid shit
People are mostly flocking to super dangerous drugs because the milder ones are all illegal and hard to acquire.
Look at all the new designer drugs that are coming out at alarming rates: largely untested, unknown effects, so new that they're not yet illegal so people assume it's alright because it's legal, and use them because they can't get arrested for it.
>>56572202
>drug users cause more trouble than dealers/cartels
Yeah no
legal weed has proven you wont make money for the government by taxing it because it cost more than illegal weed.
also when its legal and any one can make it nobody makes money off it and that means drug dealers have to be violent criminals. why pay some one when i can make my own
>>56593937
There are merits to automobiles that drastically outweigh the dangers.
There are literally no merits to drugs other than appealing to your textbook liberal sensibilities.
Come back in 5 years and maybe you'll be more equipped for a politically charged argument.
>>56573429
Implying people don't overdose on prescription drugs
>>56595925
You were talking about lack of responsibility in "normal human beings". That is what I responded to. Stop hopping between arguments when it fits your need. But whatever:
>There are merits to automobiles that drastically outweigh the dangers.
And yet, people commonly act in a way that endangers not only their own lives, but also those of others, while driving (such as texting). What was that about responsibility?
>There are literally no merits to drugs other than appealing to your textbook liberal sensibilities
Then why do people use drugs (non-addicting ones, or before they have developed an addiction), if there are literally no merits?
>Come back in 5 years and maybe you'll be more equipped for a politically charged argument.
What politically charged argument? You can't even properly defend your original statement (the one which I replied to, the one about responsibility), without bringing up strawmen.
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>>56581520
I like this. But is it viable? There's too much money in it for governments with prohibition.
>>56572108
First of all I dont want my kids around it. If you legalize it, its going to show up in the local parks where younger kids and families play where kids are very perceptive of it all. Then its going to show up in schoolyards. I dont want that.
Secondly, people smell like shit smoking that and look like degenerates and make stupid decisions. We already have alcohol legal and we don't need anymore of that.
I also realize this shit happens anyway. However, I am going to vote against it no matter where I live because I don't agree with it personally with non-religious reasons.
I think we can all agree though, that yes it would be a good business and revenue decision to legalize it.
Slapping a high age limit saying legal for those over 25 is only a temorary fix.
