Do Americans really believe that some dictator and his posse will take over their nation if civillians aren't allowed to posses firearms?
Especially considering that America is already run by big business and the mass media who can build up and destroy any political candidate with their money and possiblities to stear public opinion.
Yeah, look at your peice of shit country.
Unlike Paris, I won't stand with Berlin.
I'm going to exercise my First Amendment rights against Angela Merkel the RefugeeWhore and her political correctness gestapo and say FUCK REFUGEES. I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE REFUGEE INVASIONS OF WESTERN NATIONS.
10,000, like the USA plans on accepting? Fine. It's a drop in the bucket. Plus, the Paris attacks have caused some state Governors to say FUCK OBAMA. OUR PEOPLE COME FURST, NOT THESE FUCKING VERMIN REFUGEE SCUM.
You mad, Germany? If Germans cannot be allowed to speak, I will say what they cannot. Go to hell, Germany and FAT UGLY WHORE MERKEL. I hate you for betraying the German people - my people (I'm part German by ethnicity, but 100% American). FUCK YOU!!!
http://www.dw.com/en/berlin-police-raid-homes-in-crackdown-on-right-wing-hate-speech/a-18845429
Take Ahmed's dick or shut up.
>>55882399
>Do Americans really believe that some dictator and his posse will take over their nation if civillians aren't allowed to posses firearms?
Dunno, seems to be happening in your country as we speak.
We believe that by removing firearms, we won't be able to defend ourselves when the mudslimes attack. Given recent events, our fears seem well founded.
>posting kike edits of horsey
>>55882399
hang this high "white man"
>>55882399
Ja, verdammt! Und wir sind Klein-Amerika falls du es noch nicht bemerkt hast. Die Linke Propagandamaschine ist völlig außer Rand und Band. Bald sind nur noch Muselmanen in Deutschland und deine Kinder werden Kopftuch tragen. Geh mal raus auf die Straße und sieh dir das elend an. Außerdem sind unsere Sozialkassen seit dem 2. Weltkrieg komplett geleert worden und das systematisch. Aber lehn dich ruhig weiter zurück und denk, dass SPD und CDU alles in deinem Sinne regeln werden.
What I meant by the Paris/Berlin thing is that it's only a matter of time before shit hits the fan there.
All this hippie shit for Paris is nice and all, but what you liberal idiots don't realize is is that this is just beginning.
>>55882496
>we won't be able to defend ourselves when the mudslimes attack
Right, because it is not like you have the largest and best equiped military in the world.
>>55882399
>Do Americans really believe that some dictator and his posse will take over their nation if civillians aren't allowed to posses firearms?
Our Supreme Court ruled on it in 2008 in DC vs Heller
> (1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
> (a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms.
> (b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved
> (c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second Amendment.
> (d) The Second Amendment’s drafting history, while of dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms.
> (e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion.
>>55882399
>Do Americans really believe that some dictator and his posse will take over their nation if civillians aren't allowed to posses firearms?
You mean like Merkel?
>>55882558
When the mudslimes barge into a movie theater, concert hall, etc, there's no time to wait for the military to come along. The mudslimes will have already killed everyone in the building, if the citizens are unarmed.
Kinda like in Paris :^)
>>55882540
Translation:
Yes, damn! And we are small America if you do not have noticed. The left-wing propaganda machine is totally out of edge and tape. Soon there are only Muslims in Germany and your children will wear head scarves. Go time out onto the street and watch the misery. In addition, our social funds since the 2. World War have been completely emptied and the systematic. But sit back and continue thinking that the SPD and CDU everything in your defined rules.
Good to see a rational German, a true German, be aware of the world around him.
>>55882558
Right, but how many unarmed keks can the slimes pop before the military arrive? If the individual is armed, they are able to defend themselves instead of relying on others.
>>55882399
Horsey needs to get robbed by a nigger
>>55882558
Are you suggesting to use military to protect every cafe, theater and stadium in the country?
>>55882449
>Yeah, look at your peice of shit country.
No guns and we had a stable democracy for 65-years.
>Unlike Paris, I won't stand with Berlin
Damn!
>>55882558
Yeah, and armed civilians, too.
YOU DONT FUCK WITH AMERICA
Isn't this literally what is happening in Europe? A political elite inviting millions of violent military-aged men into their countries despite the vast majority of citizens strongly opposing it?
In 5 years you'll wish you could get a gun
>>55882647
>65-years
This isn't impressive.
>>55882399
The government taking away our guns IS them taking over.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>55882399
They actually publish Horsey comics in the LA Times? I knew MSM was fucked, but Jesus.
>>55882647
Fuck your stable democracy. Not gonna be stable much longer.
When Germany destabilizes, you'll wish nothing else but to be safe and sound here in America.
>>55882647
>stable democracy
I don't think it counts as democracy when you have the same person ruling the country for ten years straight
>>55882540
>Bald sind nur noch Muselmanen in Deutschland und deine Kinder werden Kopftuch tragen.
That is impossible looking at the numbers.
>>55882399
OK whatever MERKEL. you kike bitch, go back to keking your country.
Why is Germany full of such fucking faggots?
>>55882663
I wasn't asking about that.
>>55882399
Isnt that pretty much what has happened in most western countries? Seems like a legit fear m90
>>55882698
>>65-years
>This isn't impressive
Isn't it? Considering you are still subjects.
Yes, my faggy disarmed cückold friend. It's happened many times throughout history so there is at least a precedent for our fears.
>>55882842
why is that pic so unsettling
>>55882807
Actually it does when the person wins a fair election. But you wouldn't know.
>>55883086
Russia > Germany
>>55883086
democracy is a way for foreign interests to rule you while you thank them for the privilege
>>55882399
They already have a quasi dictator system.
Why do gunfags get so aggressiv when someone aquires about there gun rights?
Is it that deep down you know that you are in the wrong? Because people who are secure about themselves do not bitch like that.
>>55883084
Having thousands of vaginas appear all over your body, accompanied by a strong need to fuck them all at once is usually pretty unsettling.
>>55883314
Because we aren't cu cks like you.
>>55883152
>Russia > Germany
What's wrong with you, commie traitor?
>>55882730
>>55883314
>posting more horsey edits
my lawyer will be contacting you shortly
>>55883314
Now imagine a newspaper publishing a comic that mocked women's bodies like that.
>Implying the American government isn't already an authoritarian oligarchy.
Hans you just don't get it. I live in a country full of niggers, spics, drug cartel spics, mudslimes, mormon cultists, methheads and other such junkies as well as antifa zealots, westboro baptists and just plain outright sociopaths. And you want me to be unarmed? The police take far far too long to show up.
>>55883314
Because people who INquire about them generally think they shouldn't exist.
In the US, there's a battle to have them reduced. Hence a perceived threat. Hence a tendency towards aggression as a response.
Don't act like the people INquiring are innocent either. It's obvious when morons are trying to play games.
>>55882399
>implying Europe wouldn't be better of with Second amendment gun legislation
The European bureaucrats would shit themselves in absolute terror knowing fully well that half the bullshit they try to impose upon us would get them killed. Our guns were taken away by governments afraid of their people, make no fucking mistake about that.
>>55882807
>same person ruling for 10 years
>illegal to say anything offensive
>no guns
It's like they don't realize that they are already living in a dictatorship.
>>55883387
>t. regards one million moslems
>>55882399
Every time posts some political cartoon caricaturing all gun owners are fat retarded rednecks ten noguns buy their first guns.
What's always made me laugh are the foreigners who obsess about guns in America. Like really it's that much of a problem for you all the way in Germany while your sister is raped by an African horde of Muslims?
The mass media has tried time and again to destroy gun ownership in America and our background check system indicates a new record number of guns sold each month for like YEARS now.
Get used to it you fucking cunt, we're armed to the teeth. For some reason this bothers the blacklivesmatter crowd too and I'm glad of it.
May a thousand Muslims rape you in your ass in your bed in your home after lamely trying to break in for a whole hour while you were on hold with the Muslim policeman.
>>55883538
we are all just administrative zones anyway, its not like it matters what flavor of local governor we have
>>55882647
It's mostly been cult politics anyways. America is singlehandedly the most advanced capitalistic nation. Even Europe for the most part has adapted some form of socialism or another into their government. From an evolutionary standpoint socialism is probably much more humane while here we are standing with our middle fingers pointed at the world.
>>55882647
That's cute.
We've had guns since our colonial days a mere couple of centuries ago, and in that short time became a massive world leader with power the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth.
>Stable democracy for 65 years
Constitutional Republic that's been the most powerful nation on Earth for those same 65 years.
Get on my level, Ahmed, so I can push you off. The fall from up here would kill you.
>>55882558
Yeah, Ahmed, why would we have fire extinguishers when we have FIREFIGHTERS!
>>55883665
You realize they only are socialist because we allow it, right? Think about how much money they don't spend on their militaries knowing that they're allied with a military superpower.
I think the more attacks like Paris that happen -and there will be more- the more Europeans will be confronted with the reality that they cannot defend themselves and have their little Socialist experiments at the same times. They'll eventually have to abandon their current practices, or they'll eventually all die.
>>55882399
Funny, you don't have guns and a dictator has taken over your country and has let fuck-knows-who into your country and you can't do anything to stop her or protect yourself.
Ironic, isn't it
>>55884016
We are still at the top of our game. We have the best technology in the world and no nation can keep pace with us. China has 4times as many people and all they do is manufacture. I mean we still experience our fair share of cultural Marxism but it'll become unpopular later on. Americans are bandwagoners when it comes to popular things. Like right now being liberal is the "cool thing".
>>55883665
There is nothing humane about the State forcing you to give half of your labor so that it can pay its workers and then pass a fraction of it to some poor bastard.
>>55882730
Open carry is retarded though. I'm all for concealed carry though.
>>55882647
>Stable Democracy for 65 years
TFW Canada is more of a country than you are
>>55884353
Try telling that to "moderate liberals" they think shit is all gravy with huge state and federal involvement.
>>55883832
>>55884469
Well the point was that there has been a stable democracy without the citizens being armed.
>>55884209
>Funny, you don't have guns and a dictator has taken over your country
What is his name? And please don't make an ass of yourself by telling me it's Angela Merkel.
>>55884733
>Germany
>a stable democracy
That's an...interesting interpretation of modern German history. The lefties were going around kneecapping people in the 1970s and 80s because they weren't fomenting change quickly enough in the Bundestag. But then, it is the European mindset to dismiss as not representative of Europe.
>>55882647
>stable occupied democracy for 15-years
Fixed.
It's kinda interesting where this thread is heading. The question was pretty simple:
Do American really believe a dictator will take over if civilians have no guns?
Instead of an answer it get all kind of butthurt replies about how Germany is a dictatorship, Refugees taking over, Merkel being a dictator and all kind of other incoherent nonsense.
My guess is that you all know that you are full of shit and nothing is going to happen.
>>55885055
How about you go Cu ck yourself.
>>55885055
The answer is yes, if you didn't pick that up, dipshit.
>>55884870
>The lefties were going around kneecapping people in the 1970s and 80s because they weren't fomenting change quickly enough in the Bundestag.
Since the beginning of th 80's there was a Christian Conservative government in office. They rueld for 16 years afterwards. You have no idea what the fuck you talking about. So stop making an ass out of yourself.
>>55884966
>>stable occupied democracy for 15-years
By who?
>>55885205
>By who?
And my second post is my last.
>>55883007
a post abut the queen ends with "007"
sorry but you lost Hans
>>55885251
You don't know. Then fuck off!
>>55882449
This
But dude, that 10,000 is just the first direct from suria shipment. 100,000+ refugees to this years numbers. They are snaeky about how they worded it. "An additional 100,000".
>>55885326
Hi. American military. You're welcome even if you are an ungrateful hadji invader.
Youre a fucking pig jew
>>55885402
Yeah you mouth breather and the are all running from a radical islmic terror organisation because they are radical muslims themselves. That makes sense! At least do Americans apperently.
Americans really let me doubt the european idea. Because when all kinds of Europeans mix in together it seems to create complete morons.
>>55885055
Yes. To say anything otherwise would be ignoring history.
You realize freedom is the exception historically, not the rule, right? Or do you genuinely believe that governments submit themselves to the wills of the governed when there is no threat of opposition?
>>55886533
>Or do you genuinely believe that governments submit themselves to the wills of the governed when there is no threat of opposition?
Who do you exactly think is the government in a democracy?
>>55885645
https://youtu.be/bV710c1dgpU
Remind me again, what does a Moderate Muslim really look like?
>>55886601
The people with pens to write laws and guns to enforce them, you mouth-breather.
Electors are not the government. An elected government is not comprised of the people who put them there.
>>55882647
>we had a stable democracy for 65-years.
you're welcome
The founding fathers sure as hell knew it.
>>55882399
Would you rather it be like UK where you're not allowed to carry a gun or knife or weapon of any kind and if you try to defend yourself the mugger will take you to court afterward and win?
>>55882399
You mean like the shit happening in Germany right now? Because if that happened in the USA, there would be politicians hanging from lampposts.
>>55882647
What is it with Germans? You guys are either bro-tier beer drinkers or a bunch of loony ultra-liberal fags. No in between.
Criminals can hit you with a hammer instead of shooting. But if you have a gun at home, noone can fuck you up badly and be safe. Also, its harder to break in your house while you are there.
>>55882449
Wish i could come to the US, Germany has become such a shithole that is populated by spineless faggots.
>>55886694
>The people with pens to write laws and guns to enforce them, you mouth-breather.
They are the people you voted into office or at least the majority voted for. People who claim the will overthrow a government they don't like do not defend democracy. They are a threat to it.
>>55882399
If a government does not fear it's people, it can do whatever the fuck it wants and get away with it. The only way government works is when it's fearful.
>>55886984
>You mean like the shit happening in Germany right now?
Srsly kid, what kind of television do you watch?
>Because if that happened in the USA, there would be politicians hanging from lampposts.
Yeah, murdering politicians is what terrorists do. Good to know what side you are on, Ali.
>>55888543
Sounds like our Founding fathers but what would they know about Democracy...right guys?
>>55882399
>>55882730
How many cases are there of fat rednecks committing crime with rifles? It seems like the people in the caricature are the type that respects guns the most.
>>55888647
see>>55888652
Killing corrupt politicians and fighting a revolution against said government is kinda our history kek sorry your BTFO
>>55887226
The loonies are on your side of the ocean.
>FEMA conentration camps
>new world order
>Obama a kenyan muslims
>9/11 was an inside job
>Michelle Bachmann
>Sara Palin
>the Grand old Party
>doomsday preppers
>Fox News
>neo-nazi militias
>Tea Party
>...
>>55888652
You mean those rich white men that where into ebony rape and wrote that "all men are created equal" except for Africans, women and poor people?
Yeah, what did they know about democracy?
>Still replying to the token German anglo shitposter
Report and hide. It is that easy guys. Just don't feed him anymore.
>>55888765
You literally listed celebrity tier bullshit to your country committing objective demographic suicide. Thanks for exposing how keked you are on our miniscule details lol
>>55888916
>damage control
>>55888946
>objective demographic suicide
Nice word. Did you come up with it yourself or did one of your tinfoil-hat neo-nazis friend tell it to you?
>>55888765
>Fox news
>As insane as msnbc
No.
>>55888900
They knew a lot black people were not meant to participate in modern concepts of democracy and you still don't see that your a c u c k m8 blacks were never meant to be seen as people. Regardless objectively America is the stronger nation so again we obviously know what we are doing compared to you all and your original point is BTFO because the youngest democracy in the world was built from killing corrupt politicians m8
>>55882399
>Do Americans really believe that some dictator and his posse will take over their nation if civillians aren't allowed to posses firearms?
Exactly what happened to Venezuela and was in the process of happening here.
>>55889026
is it wrong?
>>55882399
yes, I thought you, of all nations, would undersand this.
>>55882399
On a scale of 1-10 how much butthurt will trumps victory bring you?
>>55888900
>You mean those rich white men that where into ebony rape and wrote that "all men are created equal" except for Africans, women and poor people?
Ya, them. What of it?
>>55889038
a lot of *
cont as well Germans will never have the right to dictate what is and what is not democracy by your own logic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_black_people_in_Nazi_Germany
they tried to stump trump and failed time after time again.
they even resorted to pretending a iowa poll was a national poll and it didnt work. people wouldnt just jump on the band wagon
trump is at like 42% support on the republicans side despite cnbc acting in such a unprofessional way
>>55882647
Muhammad it is time to go to bed.
>>55882558
Our police is shit and we're nearing a police state already only the citizens can defend against these vermin's.
>>55888900
lol wow, you're retarded
did you know that abraham lincoln cited Thomas Jefferson opening to the declaration of Independence as moral reasoning for the emancipation proclimation?
Or that it was also used to argue against property voting rights?
And also in the women's suffrage movement?
0/10
read more books
I find it really strange that we ban the guns that are hard to conceal but allow handguns which are involved in more crimes than the large guns
ban handguns, not assault rifles
>>55885055
Yes
>>55882647
2 more years and then you'll be under sharia law.
>>55889299
Bro I am on your side as a American but you just talked about people and things after the for fathers to justify the liberal bullshit we have today women should not of been able to vote and neither should of shit skins this is how the men who fought and created the nation wanted it and nothing is wrong with that everything else is modern meddling you happen to agree with.
>>55889055
We were talking about the civilized world. Not South America.
>>55883086
>fair election
Tip toppity kek Jews rigging elections is now "fair"
>>55889410
A second ago you said we were talking about democracy?
>>55889169
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_black_people_in_Nazi_Germany
12 year period. How many 12-year periods did you take before you considered blacks equal?
>>55882647
>stable democracy for 65 years
Wow what an accomplishment!
America's had a stable democracy for like 300 you dumb kraut.
>>55889365
why not ban crime? why doesn't the president sign a decree banning homicide?
that's about as effective.
>>55882449
>country made by immigrants and refugees
>hates both of them
Wow, classy
>>55889462
Again m8 you don't arbitrate time periods and your implied point of racism is not time sensitive thanks for backtracking and moving goalposts m8 your democracy is shit by your own admission.
>>55889490
>Every country in the world was settled later on and preferred their own demographics over others
>I am surprised
America is just the youngest example and your just biased m8
>>55883314
>Why do people get so aggressive when someone argues that they should be rendered defenseless and dependent?
Gee, I dunno. Perhaps because those haven't led to positive outcomes ever.
>>55889463
Exactly. And it wasn't stable due to guns. The arming of civilians in American btw began during the civil war era.
>>55889576
Actually gun owner ship as been cited by many foreigner governments to have prevented attempts of invasion and domestic attacks m8 try again.
>>55883314
Mohammed the shitposter. Giving guys like me a run for their money
>>55882558
>mudslimes go into *insert crowded areas with hundreds of people in close proximity here*
>mudslimes begin slaughtering people
>6 hours pass before the first military unit arrives
>all life within the structure is dead.
>
>>55889393
>Bro I am on your side as a American but you just talked about people and things after the for fathers to justify the liberal bullshit we have today women should not of been able to vote and neither should of shit skins this is how the men who fought and created the nation wanted it and nothing is wrong with that everything else is modern meddling you happen to agree with.
bro seriously, read a fucking book
Thomas Jefferson's original draft of the DoI had a bunch of shit against the slave trade (one of his many gripes with George III was that he didn't end the dutch/jewish slave trade) and Abigail Adams (wife of John adams) was the first to ever shill for womens rights and he supported her.
Both were removed, mostly due to the delegates from southern states and john dickinson from PA
>as this was before votes based on population, and in a 1 vote per state system
>>55889026
>they literally don't even realize what's happening
Are Germans just this keked or what?
>>55882399
Stalin
Mao
Pol Pot
the list goes on...
>>55882399
>Do Americans really believe that some dictator and his posse will take over their nation if civillians aren't allowed to posses firearms?
They already did it to you, so yes
>>55889641
Our guns is what make us so powerful. You won't see an invasion of american soil any time soon As long as we have our guns.
>>55889576
>The arming of civilians in American btw began during the civil war era.
Nope. Arming of civilians predates our country. Hence why the 2nd Amendment is central.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutemen
>>55889731
I assume we mean Merkel.
>>55889682
>not this shit again
the MAJORITY OF THE SIGNERS OF THE DELCARTION OF INDEPENDENCE WERE SLAVE OWNERS m8 they went home and raped their slaves rightfully so. I don't give a shit about your outliers it is a fact the MAJORITY of the signers supported slavery at the birth of the nation all else was changed after your trying to delegitimize this undeniable fact m8
>>55883314
Here's a fair and acceptable rebuttal that totally wouldn't get you thrown in jail for posting it on kikebook. Such freedom you have in progressive nationalist Europe.
First thing the communists in Cuba did was banning civilian guns. Now they have been slaves of the Castro family for more than 50 years.
>>55889788
cont, As well as the constitution.
Washington died with his slaves m8 but what does he know about what America was about.
>>55882399
http://youtu.be/bD61YFxUga4
>>55889576
>Exactly. And it wasn't stable due to guns. The arming of civilians in American btw began during the civil war era.
m8, are you retarded?
lets forget lexington&concord as well as bunker hill
>as some brit will jump out of the woodwork and get butthurt
In the battle over long island and Manhattan, nearly all muskets were brought in by militia members from their homes.
People who didn't have muskets would get spears from the continental army (as the continental congress was unable to get any funding for a "standing army" until october-november 1776 as they couldn't decide how much each state had to pay- population vs. land mass)
>>55883314
>Why do fags get so aggressiv when someone aquires about there fag rights?
>>55889641
>Actually gun owner ship as been cited by many
foreigner governments
Name some. As far as I see it there only are two nations that are even capable of attack the United States: Canada and Mexico.
>>55882399
>Do Americans really believe that some dictator and his posse will take over their nation if civillians aren't allowed to posses firearms?
Didn't that happen in germany some 70 years ago?
>>55882647
>"Democracy"
keking @ this keklord
I'll just leave this here....
>>55889788
>he MAJORITY OF THE SIGNERS OF THE DELCARTION OF INDEPENDENCE WERE SLAVE OWNERS
committee that created the DoI
Thomas Jefferson- Slave owner
Benjamin Franklin- no
John Adams-no
Robert Livingston-no
Roger sherman-Slave owner
wut m8?
your autism is showing
>>55889913
Japan for one m8 please learn history
>>55882399
>America is already run by big business
Leftists propaganda
Leftwing "liberal" politicians run our country, the corporations for the most part hate them and have very little say in anything at all.
He who has the guns makes the rules, and the liberals all have their hands in the pie of America's massive gun(and all military weapons essentially) manufacturing and selling.
This is why they make the rules
>inb4ignirsnt euro trash comes in saying the left are the gun grabbers
They only grab guns to keep us from defending ourselves and broadening their monopoly.
Every anti-capitalist communist fuck in this country that isn't a retarded child, anaemia kek, or just plain fool(akak: any leftists politician) constantly practices and loves capitalism because it makes them money and has brought them their power
>>55889788
>the MAJORITY OF THE SIGNERS OF THE DELCARTION OF INDEPENDENCE WERE SLAVE OWNERS
*At one point in time. Only a few owned a large number.
George Washington owned more than 200 slaves. Thomas Jefferson owned more than 100 slaves. James Madison owned and sold slaves all his life.
>m8 they went home and raped their slaves rightfully so
>undeniable fact m8
Your fan-fiction isn't fact. There's little evidence than any of them raped slaves.
>>55890056
there were more than 5 signers m8 do you really want to do this I have had this argument 40 times and have all my sources ready the MAJORITY OF THE SIGNERS OF BOTHT HE CONSITUTION AND THE DECLERATION WERE SLAVE OWNERS
deny this with evidence and it will be debunked m8
>>55890132
There is all the evidence and undeniable that at the BRITH OF THE NATION THE MAJORITY OF THE FOR FATHERS LIVED AND DIED OWNING SLAVES THEY DID NOT SUPPOER BLACKS AS PEOPLE AND WOMEN VOTING...you are the one trying to revise history and acceptable culture back then.
>>55890092
<--- Oh you mean this here?
Maybe you should research it. That quote is complete bullshit. There is no record he ever said that.
>>55890132
>t t tthey only owned a few
>my point is not completely BTFO
the men that made this country and rightfully have the authority to say what its rules should d be did not see blacks as people and did not believe women should vote.
>>55890266
Could be or couldn't be m8 nice try though
Americans inherently distrust government.
Distrusting and being mad at the government is why people colonized here.
Our very existence was born from battling government and killing the fuckers back to their home.
It's pretty much in our genetics and blood at this point.
>>55890154
>there were more than 5 signers m8
signing=/=creating or writing
Jefferson had radical ideas, many of which were omitted by the people you're talking about.
What is the relevance?
The five in the committee (particularly Jefferson, Franklin, and Adams) are the true "founding fathers" of american liberty in governance
While washington, greene, lord stirling, Henry knox, (not that fucking faggot Gates), Charles Lee, and the french fought the military battle for liberty
>>55890210
>BRITH OF THE NATION THE MAJORITY OF THE FOR FATHERS LIVED AND DIED OWNING SLAVES
CAPSLOCK doesn't make anything you say more prescient of true.
You're trying to infer that owning slaves was synonymous with beating and raping them, which isn't a given. For example Benjamin Franklin owned less than half a dozen slaves but freed them long before his death.
James Madison on the other hand traded slaves for his entire life.
There's a spectrum that you're completely ignoring because you're judging the past based on the standards of the present.
> DIED OWNING SLAVES THEY DID NOT SUPPOER BLACKS AS PEOPLE AND WOMEN VOTING
Both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson supporting expanding rights of slaves even though they were the ones with the largest number of slaves. They treated their slaves extremely well for the time period.
And they did support those causes, but they were very unpopular.
>you are the one trying to revise history and acceptable culture back then.
That's rich coming from you.
>>55882399
No, we just believe leaders will behave like Merkel if they don't have a citizenry to actually answer to. Your government has a total monopoly on force, ours doesn't.
>inb4 YOU DON'T HAVE JETS
Wake me up when a jet can collect taxes or repair a substation
>>55882399
We are guaranteed our right to private militias and firearms to defend against tyranny of our own government, not invasion, you fucking retard. If you weren't busy being a bootlicking niggerloving piece of shit you'd realize those are things your country really needs right now.
>>55883314
Any gun owner worth their dick would not have such terrible trigger discipline.
>>55890397
>Our very existence was born from battling government and killing the fuckers back to their home.
But you have no prolbem collecting your welfare cheque every month from da gubbament.
>>55890266
Don't be afraid of us. We still like Germany.
>>55890424
You have no authrotiy to make these arbitrary distinctions m8 everything I said is true and your point comes down to
>a few individual outliers existed but the FOUNDING FATHERS as a group signed the declaration the way it was which included not seeing blacks as citizens or people and women not having the right to vote only later did a minority of these individuals have contentious views but the MAJORITY DIED OWNING SLAVES.
You can squirm all you want signers of the declaration of independence and constitution the same group considered as the Founding fathers lived and died owning slaves and denying women the right to vote rightfully so.
>>55890459
>We are guaranteed our right to private militias and firearms to defend against tyranny of our own government, not invasion, you fucking retard.
No, you are simply insane.
>>55890497
I'm not on welfare for starters and can you not fucking comprehend what I said properly?
I'm not speaking about today, I'm saying what -
You know what, you fucking krauts aren't worth it.
Really.
Here's you reply, leaving this thread as fast as I entered it.
Enjoy your epic internet argument. "You win".
>>55890548
Look at all these pudgy smalldicked men.
No wonder they go to gunfairs.
>>55890626
>You know what, you fucking krauts aren't worth it.
Doesn't 1/5th of you descend from us?
>>55890397
>Americans inherently distrust government.
>Distrusting and being mad at the government is why people colonized here.
>Our very existence was born from battling government and killing the fuckers back to their home.
>It's pretty much in our genetics and blood at this point.
this
Part of the reason that the early parts of the revolutionary war (longs island, kips bay, harlem heights, manhatten, etc) went so poorly was because the congress was literally too paranoid about government tyranny to approve of a standing army
>>55890441
NO I don't care if they raped them or not that say exaggeration I am saying they did not see black as people or equal which is the argument m8
you keep attempting to make these abstract distinctions like how many and how long but it all does nothing to change the MAJORITY of signers of the declaration and independence owned and lived and died with slaves and denying women the right to vote. No one founder is considered more legitimate than the other m8 that again is your abstract distinctions.
>>55890613
wow because that's exactly why we have the 2 amendment and no one disagrees with this even our supreme court but you know better huh?
>>55890459
Not trying to troll you, pal, but do you think that prvate militias would stand a chance against the goverment, if it counted with the power of the entire U.S. Army, Marines, Navy and whathever other things you have?
>>55885402
They were shipped to New Orleanes, Gang land. How long do you think theyll last. You think blacks will put up with the shit that Sweden did?
EU shill preparing the ground for banning of self loading and "hi cap" mags i see.
>>55890683
>"Ben Franklin on "Stupid, Swarthy Germans""
>"Those who come hither are generally of the most ignorant Stupid Sort of their own Nation…and as few of the English understand the German Language, and so cannot address them either from the Press or Pulpit, ’tis almost impossible to remove any prejudices they once entertain…Not being used to Liberty, they know not how to make a modest use of it…I remember when they modestly declined intermeddling in our Elections, but now they come in droves, and carry all before them, except in one or two Counties...In short unless the stream of their importation could be turned from this to other colonies, as you very judiciously propose, they will soon so out number us, that all the advantages we have will not in My Opinion be able to preserve our language, and even our Government will become precarious."
>Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.
>Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People
:^)
Good bye.
>>55890790
NO one plans on having to take on the whole military since the majority of our soldiers wont shoot other white right wing patriots secondly I seem to remember us having trouble with a few less armed population in domestic insurgency kek unless you are going to try to ignore precedent to make a point and suggest our own government will nuke its own country or something. People overthrow modern governments every year when they have guns its just easier to do when you also have guns.
>>55882647
>no guns
Except the massive amount of guns of the multiple occupying armies in your country for all that time
>stable democracy
So "you can have democracy as long as you don't elect anyone who's communist/socialist/anything we don't like" for most of your post war history, and now "if you don't like us bringing in massive amounts of foreigners you can leave".
>>55890044
Bac when it was normal to do so. Britain did it germany did it france did it.
>>55882399
It's about having the dignity to take out a few of the bastards slaughtering you and your kin.
>>55890842
>Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.
That guys appears to be a xenophobic asshole. Considering he is just the offpsring of immigrants himself.
>>55882540
>Und wir sind Klein-Amerika
you're not worthy of being called Klein-Amerika, Germanistan.
>>55890588
>all people who signed the declaration of independence are considered founding fathers
What about the signers who later became traitors and joined the british?
What about any number of signers who only put their name on the piece of parchment to uphold the sanctity of their state vs. forging a new country?
you're retarded m8
The "founding fathers" are the ones who shaped the future of the country, not just any halfwit with a quill in his hand
>America's Founding Fathers include George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, James Monroe and, of course, Benjamin Franklin. These men, together with several other key players of their time, structured the American democracy and left a legacy that has shaped the world. But beyond their legends, these men were human beings who led complex and fascinating lives. Learning their stories helps us better understand what made them tick, as well as their influence on our world today.
>>55890966
>multiple occupying armies
Which would that be? Especially considering that the occupation of west Germany ended in 1956.
>>55890981
>It's about having the dignity to take out a few of the bastards slaughtering you and your kin.
I guess than you are lucky the Abos never got guns into their hands.
>>55882399
nice bait 8/8 m8
>>55890790
>the american military
>fighting civilians
bro....
even local police departments have said in the event that the government trys to repossess firearms, they will not only stand with the civilians but arm them as well.
The US military are some of the most nationalistic fuckers on the planet, far more then the average police force
also
>guerilla warfare
By your logic the americans should have destroyed the vietcong, and the brits would have destroyed the colonials
neither happened
>>55882619
kinda like in your own fucking military bases you mean
>>55891202
>By your logic the americans should have destroyed the vietcong
I highly doubt that the average American fatass is as tough as the vietcong.
Are you the guy that posts that Eternal Anglo strawpoll?
>>55884733
You kraut cunts need to be consistent.
>policy you don't like
We're occupied, this is America's fault
>policy you like
Muh 65 of stable democracy, which of course wasn't imposed on me by an occupying authority
>>55882399
>worrying about americans on an american website and using american english while your own country is being invaded by shitskins and your women raped
Keep being suicidal, you German faggot. Next time, we won't save you from yourselves like we did in WW2.
>>55882399
>Do Americans really believe that some dictator and his posse will take over their nation
They already have, they just use financial fraud to conquer. They don't use standing armies anymore. Thomas Jefferson's greatest fears are being realized as we speak.
>>55891399
>I highly doubt that the average American fatass is as tough as the vietcong.
What kind of gun do you have?
>>55891399
>I highly doubt that the average American fatass is as tough as the vietcong.
ebin shitpost m8!
Even if only 1/100 americans is fit for combat that is still a fighting force of 3.2 million, which dwarfs all modern standing armies
>the largest being south korea, china, india, and pakistan- which at max have half a million troops
are you just sad about being suck a pathetic country or what m8?
>>55890266
Either way is the quote really wrong? We have 500 million guns in this country. There IS a rifle behind every blade of grass. We also have tanks, machine guns, artillery, and plenty of skilled vets. The US government FEARS US that is why we need these tools accessible.
Kraut do you really think Merkel would be sending all these muzzies to your country, knowing how upset most germans are about this, if you were as armed as Americans?
>>55891399
Considering we are a country of 350 million im pretty sure we could find half a million who are combat fit. ISIS has 50,000 soldiers and has taken two halves of two countries. What makes you think americans who are strapped to the teeth couldn't do better? Also we have home turf advantage that the VC had as well.
>>55891052
>>55891052
Nice meme freind wikipedia founding fathers educate yourslef as the majority of those men lived and died owning slaves ussing your own logic washington who is America in carnet and objectivly shaped the american spirit more than any other did not see blacks as equal and ownwd them as alavws until his death see we can make arbitrary distinctions too m8
>>55891206
Damn straight! No guns area because Clinton is a piece of shit. Not even an armed fire watch. Way to go demoshits.
>>55891484
THIS
>>55891659
>that image
gets me every time
fuck c.uckolds, fuck redcoats
>>55882399
sigh
It's part of the national identity
Its the reset button for a run-amok government which is always possible
Its deterrent for an invasion of America
State rights are still deciding factors, the Federal government isn't the only actor
Go kek yourself
>>55882647
your stable democracy was only because you were allowed to pursue economic interests only. You were on the worlds backburner
america doesn't have a gun problem. america has a nigger problem. kill all the niggers and we will all be fine.
>>55891659
the king loyalist was right
the french and britain having more serious problem won the war for you
>>55882399
>kraut
>still cares about American freedoms
Fuck off achmed, go get that sand out of your vagina. We can have guns unlike you stupid faggots and look what happens. Go suck sandnigger cock, literally l.
>>55882399
Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
>>55891804
>wikipedia
>unironically citing wikipedia
jesus christ
>washington who is America in carnet and objectivly shaped the american spirit
not at all. He had nothing to do with the declaration of independence, the first draft of the constitution (written almost entirely by adams), or any of the numerous struggles the continental congress faced in shaping the country.
He was a military commander and a figurehead, not a statesman
If anything, the majority of the credit (at least up until 1785) should go to Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin, who all had views at least partially against slavery/the slave trade
This all changed with the 3/5ths rule, which was added in 1785 to resolve disputes over voting and taxation
>>55891851
Its a pretty perfect image.
>>55892051
>the french and britain having more serious problem won the war for you
>t-the brits didn't even want to win the war!
>thats w-hy they sent 40,000+ troops, spent a small fortune on 10,000+ hessians, and spent half a million pounds on it
seriously faggot?
>>55891399
Send them over, we'll give them a nice southern welcome party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIas1ZBl5N8
>>55882399
>Do Americans really believe that some dictator and his posse will take over their nation if civillians aren't allowed to posses firearms?
>said the German
>who's it has happened to twice the last 70 years
Enjoy your refugees
>>55892238
USA#1
>>55892051
Worth noting as well that the 'British Empire' in 1776 consisted of pretty much just the 13 Colonies (that were in open rebellion) and a few islands in the Caribbean, with some small parts of India owned by a private British company. And yeah, the two greatest powers of the day, France and Spain, both declared war on Britain in support of the Americans.
The American Revolution is a bad example to use if you want to show how plucky civilians with guns can overthrow the government of a super-power, because outside of American mythology, that's not what happened.
I think we lost OP...
>>55892051
Ok pizza nigger. You live in the most corrupted country on the planet. A mafia boss just died over the summer and was a given a kings funeral. WITH POLICE ESCORTS. HAAHAHHAHA you are fucked and have always been so.
>>55891659
>We also have tanks, machine guns, artillery, and plenty of skilled vets.
Civilians have tanks and artillery? Because you can't do shit with guns in the long run, doesn't matter how many. You cannot fight against a motivated, professional army with pistols.
Tyranny isn't just government. It comes in many forms from the guy mugging you to people wanting to suppress your right to self determination.
And then there's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29
>>55882647
>No guns and we had a stable democracy for 65-years.
65 years is nothing.
Also
>democracy
kek, you can't even post a slightly subversive statement on your Facebook page.
>>55892453
>having allies isn't fair!
Need i remind you of where you would be without american resupplying in early ww2?
Or the massive numbers of men we sent later?
The spanish had nothing to do with the lackluster performance of the Howe brothers or Cornwallis, who essentially lost the war for you
>in addition to piss poor strategy by Germain,
>>55892453
I worry that the people I the UK are just unarmed sitting ducks...
You amerifags are so retarded. You think that once the french allow guns everyone will start carrying automatic weapons to the fucking theater ? The thought of a concert hall full of you retards armed to the teeth is scarier to me that a bunch of hypothetical extremists.
>>55892694
>medpack pussy
>scared
shocking....
>>55885645
Why try to smash down the gate when they'll just open it and let the whole army in if they claim to be refugees?
>>55892647
>Need i remind you of where you would be without american resupplying in early ww2?
Safe from Islamic extremism?
You cunt.
>>55892694
Don't be frightened. It's just an American with a gun.
>>55882399
Exhibit A: Your country
>>55892553
In that case most of our professional army would join americans in open rebellion. Yes much can't be done with rifles and pistols but you take a couple of bases and its game over. Especially if the american rebels were to gain control of the midwest corridors.
>>55892840
>implying a post-hitler germany wouldn't have fallen to the same rampant c.uckoldy they are experiencing now
Its in their blood, germans are the master race of c.uckolds....
>>55892840
You let them in you dumb faggot.
>>55892664
If the IRA proved anything, it's that smuggling guns into the UK is extremely easy, in the event of a tyrannical government seizing power, any resistance movement could quite easily smuggle in weaponry from eastern Europe or the middle east.
If a government sent troops door to door demanding the surrender of rifles, don't kid yourself, the majority of people would surrender their weapons after seeing one or two of their neighbour's houses turned into craters by mortar rounds. Any resistance group in America or the UK would be armed with illegally aquired weapons, not the M4's that sports shooters bought before the fall of democracy.
>>55892545
but I know that, also it's not like I was offending your country or anything
>>55892138
again m8 your point is BTFO there is simply no denying the majority of signers of both documents owned slaves and signed the same documents that allowed slavery and deniable of women's rights to be codified sorry m8 in the end the people who created this nation doe not agree with the way liberals see it I like you completely take a back seat on the whole women's rights thing even though it has the same implications kek
>>55892138
>Wikipedia
prove it wrong m8
>>55892694
What makes cops more competent with firearms than regular citizens? Most of us practice more than them.
>>55892694
Semi-automatic. Full auto is only for suppression and fun. And it happens all the time here with no problems. It's called concealed carry. The problems start when you create gun-free zones.
>>55893009
I always like to ask, How many guns do you own?
>>55893009
Why would we buy smuggled weapons when we could take control of factories here and take over military bases? Sorry bong but the moment gov't mercs start mortaring civiies homes is when people will rise up.
![Obama-Laughing[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/alOhdjq.gif "Obama-Laughing[1].gif")
>>55882399
>Do Americans really believe that some dictator and his posse will take over their nation if civillians aren't allowed to posses firearms?
If some dictator and his pose denied civilians firearms, that dictator would already be in power.
>Exhibit C: Your Country
>>55890981
Don't expect a German to understand death with dignity.
>>55893009
kek
>we dont need guns we can have them whenever we like
>we are safer with out access to guns.
lol the majority of the guns used in a American revolution would in fact be walmart bought ar 15's and wasr 10's m8 you are no guns and know shit fix your teeth.
>>55890981
even an aussie gets it. ITS ONLY YURO FAGS WHO WANT TO BE DISARMED FOR MUHAMMAD'S DICK.
>>55893009
>believes the American government is going to do morter strikes next to civilians that have yet to get a chance to comply believing they would bomb their own country at all in a guerilla fighting revolution.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>55893022
[autism intensifies]
>majority of signers of both documents owned slaves and signed the same documents that allowed slavery and deniable of women's rights to be codified
...in order to get the southern colonies to actually sign the declaration of independence
>is the end of that statement
Have you read one single book about history?
Or just wikipedia bullets?
Many concessions had to be made to get the southern states on board with the revolution period
>as they were some of the most opposed and highly loyalist, until King George III offered the slaves freedom to revolt and join him
Their only concerns were their crops and their slaves, wtf would you think they would demand?
Cry more about slavery faggot, nobody fucking cares
>>55893204
>lol the majority of the guns used in a American revolution would in fact
There won't be another American revolution. Since I first came on the internet you fuckers have been talking about "muh revolution".
Your childish fantasy won't happen, no matter how much you desire it.
>>55882399
hello antifa!
also checked
>>55889299
Chkd
>>55891206
But those are acts of workplace violence.
:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
>>55889055
Reaças.... Vá estudar a história da venezuela antes do shitpost
>>55893117
None.
>>55893127
If you're absolutely certain the people will just grab control of everything the moment tyranny rears it head, why do you need rifles to fight the gubment at all? I'm talking about a scenario where a non-democratic government has seized control of either the UK or USA and has no qualms about killing civilians if they resist. 'Rising up' and directly engaging a professionally equipped armed force that has no issues shooting back is impossible, only asymetric tactics can be used, in which case legally held weaponry will have to be either surrendered or hidden.
>>55893108
>gun-free zone
Like a theater or a concert hall? I dont think you're allowed to carry in there, concealed or not.
>>55882399
They may or may not believe it but what's for sure is thy will not find out.
Why the hell are we arguing for the right to own our guns? There's no reason to explain why we have guns. Hell, there doesn't need to be a reason for us to have guns. The only reason we need is SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. And until you get the balls to take our guns, we're going to keep owning them. SHALL. NOT. BE. INFRINGED.
>>55893310
why do you keep making shit up that makes no difference to the theme of the point m8 I know it triggers you but the majority of the founding fathers owned slaves and and I support this I am calling your liberal sensibilities out its common knowledge they all lived and died supporting women not having the right to vote which has the same implicating as German bro that started this debate was making. My point is YES the founders overwhelmingly agreed with slavery and denying women's rights but that says nothing about our democracy objectively.
>>55892238
Was beautiful.
>>55893454
>None.
But you were like in the army or something. I mean you have fired a gun haven't you?
