/pol/, I believe it is my duty to defend my nation, my people and democracy against Islam.
If I join the army as an engineer will I be making an impact in my aim of reducing Islam or will my attempts be futile and just make the "moderate" muslims hate the West even more?
>>55795418
Literally all you'll be doing is letting me fuck your girlfriend.
That's it.
So if you don't have a girlfriend then nah probs don't go die for american interests
>>55795496
If I had a partner I definitely would not sign up
I've had people cheat on me while living with them, I'm not trusting people while I'm away for months
>>55795596
Okay, in that case, I'll talk with you seriously and cut the >banter.
There's absolutely no need to join the army. I know you're currently seething at muslims or ISIS or refugees or whatever right now, but it is not even slightly worth the possibility of death, and the absolute certainty of a mediocre job.
You won't actually be helping anyone, and you won't be responsible for defeating ISIS. Even if Australia was, in some weird turn of events, to put combat boots on the ground, the war will be won by the US Air Force and various specialist operatives, of which you will not be one. You'll either be in the middle of fucking nowhere fixing a car between occasional fire from a mountain in the distance, or you'll be """securing""" a village full of people who probably couldn't care less about politics and are too busy farming dirt to give a shit.
If you want to change things, stay here and get involved in local politics. That's where change has always started from, no matter which country or which movement, whether left or right. You want to change the world, change your neighborhood first.
In the much more likely situation that you're just some dude with no actual calling in life who's suddenly taken up /pol/ as a substitute for real beliefs, dude, just go to TAFE or something. Tradies make a fucking killing right now.
>>55795418
Just take the justice to your own hands. Go throw some molotovs on some mosques. So they don't have place to meet up and radicalize.
>>55795862
IVe got a great ATAR but my dad owns a plumbing company and he tells me how much he pays his plumbers and its better than what postgrads get. It's really tempting to just be a plumber right now and a lot cheaper and faster.
I'm just very, idk if nationalistic is the word but imma use that, I just hate to see my country threatened and I want to help. I think I might pursue politics. But I fear I'm to anti-Islam, anti-multi culti to ever have a chance (assuming I actually had a chance at doing anything )
There's just something about the army that really draws me in
>>55795418
I like those recruitment slogans. Here are ours
>tfw the RAF doesn't feel the need for one
Other people should post theirs, i think it's quite telling about each service.
>>55796018
No, that turns "moderates" in to "death to the west" muslims
>>55795596
>I've had people cheat on me while living with them
If you weren't such a beta faggot that wouldn't happen to you.
And a clown like you wants to fight against muslims? You will probably die before you can anyone if your beta attitude translated into combat.
>>55796136
Ours is shit IMO. It doesn't work for me at all.
>>55796147
Go let in more muslims
Ok.
>>55796115
>/pol/ in charge of not being underage edgy faggots
>>55796223
Go let in more Indians, Chinks and other Asian minorities you australian kekold
>>55796171
I like the airforce one tb.h. It's just so... airforce.
From all that i've seen armies are basically the same, "Challenge yourself", "Be the best you can be", "be the best". It's pretty obvious the kind of people they're looking for. Pic related is our muh-reens.
>>55796136
I'll tell you right now: The need for a slogan demonstrates that a service is geared towards fuckwits. If you want the best, you DON'T advertise.
>>55796115
Okay, first off, as much as it's fun to shitpost, /pol/ is not the place to learn about politics. Read. Read as much as you can, from every side. You'll hopefully soon realize Australia's biggest threat really has nothing to do with Islam or Multiculturalism and has a lot more to do with the coming shift towards the Pacific as the geopolitical pivot, and the growing importance of SE Asia + China, but even if you don't, hey, at least you'll learn some big words to shout at rural Australians to support your anti-Islam platform.
>There's just something about the army that really draws me in
It's called advertising. We all fall for it at some point.
And if you've got a good ATAR (and if by good you mean greater than 95, or hell, 90) don't fucking join the army. You'll be wasted there.
>>55795418
>Dying for democracy
never change, shitposter
>>55795418
fucking idiot
>>55795418
These are the same people who go to gallipoli and bawww every year about their people who died while fighting for british/jew interests
>>55795418
>/pol/, I believe it is my duty to defend my nation, my people and democracy against Islam.
Read this before you decide to make an emotionally charged decision to sign away your moral agency and let politicians and oligarchs send you off to shoot people and get crippled or worse.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_crucifixion_of_tomas_young_20130310
>>55796403
>Read. Read as much as you can, from every side.
>Lot more to do with the coming shift towards the Pacific as the geopolitical pivot, and the growing importance of SE Asia + China
AHAHA
Oh wow, tells me you don't read shit and you're buying into the same fucking shit you're criticizing him for buying into.
China is our ally, america is not, if we continue to be a little fucking sissy about it we'll get fucking smashed because we chose some fucking morons trying to create a progressive market over dudes who actually made our county what it is today.
>>55795418
I was going to join the ADF, unlike what people say here it is actually a very good venue for getting a trade depending on what you'll be going into, anti-war idiots will shit all over you while not realizing the army isn't just about shooting and killing, it's mainly a lot of fucking massive logistics and repair.
>>55798882
>China is our ally
fuck off Zhang, go buy some more apartment developments or something
>>55798795
>Waah my PTSD
The army is supposed to weed out the weak, goddamn that's what PT is for.
What the fuck is america doing if it allows people like this in?
That's right goyim
It was the Palestinians it makes perfect sense goy now go fight the war on the extremists.
>>55798980
>Implying they aren't most crucial fucking part of our economy
Look, I'm a fucking mutualist and anti-capitalistism.
But I also realize that china is one of the biggest fucking reasons australia is what it is today, they've practically made our economy stronger.
Plus chinese people are about as australian as us.
Most chinese people vote conservatively, I'd rather them over muslims.
>>55798993
Did you even read it? The dumb cunt signed up 2 days after 9/11 because 'muh freedoms' 'muh patriotism'. Shipped out to Iraq, got shot through the spine 5 days into his first deployment.
He thought he was signing up to protect his country and his family. He ended up protecting Haliburton's profit margin by taking a 7.62 through his spine.
>>55799078
Dude, there is such a thing as having your own reasons to go to war.
You can be hired under some blokes who believe in that western narrative and still kill mussies under your own pretext.
>>55799087
>Plus chinese people are about as australian as us
like I said, Wang, gtfo
>>55799137
Well too fucking bad, you're going to get shot in war what the fuck do you expect?
People mourn the deaths, not what happened.
>>55799167
Guaranteed you're some cranky lanklet who hates cops.
>>55799244
Guaranteed you're a mad chinaman or related to one of the developers busy fucking over the whole country for a quick chinese dollar
>>55799150
The kykes are doing this you tard they want you to fight their war so they can take the moral and economic high ground and then Fuck you in the ass.
I regret my failure to join the Army back in 2003.
>>55799319
>Fucking over the nation for chinese dollars
>The same chinese dollars which literally beg us for our resources to power their nation
..Delusional fucktards with you with some conspiracy minded mentality are fucking disgusting, I don't care if you are racist and sexist, so am I.
But I also realize china is far more of a meaningful ally then america which has literally had so many fucking bad influences on our weapon laws during the bush era.
I'd rather be friends with zhang then the fucking jimmy over in the US who sucks a billion black cocks while getting ass-fondled.
Atleast china knows we're helping them as they help us.
>>55799369
>Kikes
..yeah, kikes.
Not just fucking two-hundred year result of bourgeois taking over your rights to labour.
>>55799244
Now I know you didnt read it because you're still missing the point.
>Young joined the Army immediately after 9/11 to go to Afghanistan and hunt down the people behind the attacks. He did not oppose the Afghanistan war. “In fact, if I had been injured in Afghanistan, there would be no ‘Body of War’ movie to begin with,” he said.
The point is that OP is talking about joining the army because of an emotional need to 'defend the nation' but you dont get a choice where you go or who you fight once you sign up. He has some idea of joining a grand white crusade or something when the reality is he's more likely signing his life away in the defense of some jew profits.
You can't conscientiously object if you sign up voluntarily, but if you're conscripted you can. I'm not against fighting a Just War in defense of my country and would gladly do so if we actually needed to defend our homeland but fucked if I'm giving up my ability to make that decision myself to some faggot politician.
>>55799572
>..Delusional fucktards with you with some conspiracy minded mentality are fucking disgusting, I don't care if you are racist and sexist, so am I.
mate are you legit on some fucking drugs, having imaginary conversations with people who don't exist?
>more of a meaningful ally
you're literally retarded if you think china is any more interested in the welfare of australians than america is, if not less, because at least the average citizen of america views us as slightly more than a ticket to a first world life
>>55795418
>lets go kill Muslims in the Middle East
>instead of expelling the ones in our country
Doing Israel's work anon.
>F-18 C
>Air force
What?
>>55799572
Holy shit everything is literally upside down in straya.
When I went to bootcamp it was full of memes. Everyone was spouting memes the whole time, and even the drill instructors had tons of memes. It should be called Meme camp instead.
>>55799760
It's the newer version actually, though still something of a mid tier model in between shitholes and a first world air force
Anon, with such a piss-poor determination I wonder how you're going to survive in the military.
To begin with, If you're really eager to join you wouldn't even try creating this thread.
Your words sounds nothing but temporal "rage" who tries to sound like a badass.
>>55799632
>The point is that OP is talking about joining the army because of an emotional need to 'defend the nation' but you dont get a choice where you go or who you fight once you sign up. He has some idea of joining a grand white crusade or something when the reality is he's more likely signing his life away in the defense of some jew profits.
>t.literal retard
I agreed to the point that you don't get to decide where you go, but you think he's doing this for the jews while I think he's doing this on his own terms.
Only thing I'd say is that he has to be okay with sitting around because due to our defense policies we don't go to war that much.
>>55799670
No, I'm not on drugs.
I'm just sick and tired of people bitching about china and blaming them for shit when they're literally benefiting our economy and our sociopolitical situaiton by voting for conservative parties.
We've got something good goind and all you do is want to suck off some americans.
WE NEED TO SEPERATE FROM AMERICA, IT'S ONLY FUCKING US OVER.
The war will be fought in Europe m8, join the French foreign legion if you really want to fight
Pandora Radio really wants me to join the Air Force.
>>55799854
>TFW want to join but got to phsycally train for a while.
I'm joining on terms of getting a technican's certificate while getting physically fit and learning how to shoot, so I think that's a pretty good package in the whole.
>>55799861
They only vote Liberal because they know they'll create a favourable environment towards more of their countrymen flying across and getting involved in business here. Chinamen might be far preferable to Jamal or Ahmed, but you don't seem to realise, it's not a binary choice, we can have neither if we want.
Being wary of getting too close to China is not the same thing as sucking off America, anon.
>>55800068
>Country men flying across
Dude, haven't you seen the majority supports for that anti-gay advertisement campaign?
It's mostly asians ironically, and asians are pretty fucking racist.
I'm no go fucker, I don't think they're attractive but they are really the most preferable immigrant population especially since they've lived here and held the aussie flag since the gold rushes.
If it were to be a actually culturally homogenous region like frisia though, I wouldn't be so pro-chinese.
But being an australian I've seen what they've done for us and support them for that.
>>55800229
Gook*
>>55800229
>they are really the most preferable immigrant population
You don't seem to get it, why do we need an immigrant population at all? Haven't we learned enough from our mistakes over the past decades?
>>55795596
just go shoot up a school betakek
>>55795418
all you will be doing is the jews dirty work until the race war, then you will be killed defending muslims from nationalists.
>>55796144
But those are fair game and can be shot without remorse.
>>55795418
JUST DO IT. WE ALL WILL LOVE YOU.
>>55800365
We've never been a ethnically homogenous country mate, we've literally been made of tons of different european and slavic ethnicites for a long time, much like america we're new and not that cutlturally or ethnically connected beyond our previous countries affiliations.
Restricting immigration as if we're a primarily white nation wouldn't make fucking sense because there is no bullet-point to what is "Australian' beyond our culture, and anybody can adopt that.
One thing which is primarily australian though is that people have to assimilate, and because Chinese people had a cultural reform assimilating them is extremely easy.
>>55800554
>We've never been a ethnically homogenous country mate
in the middle of the 20th century we were more than 98% of British Isles stock, you seem to have been taken in by the memes about Afghan camel drivers and Chinese gold miners, neither of whom stayed or seriously affected the population at large.
>>55800654
>Who never seriously affected the population
Not by a majority no, but they're literally third in place after the chinse.
And you seemed to completely ignore what I said about our "Whiteness"
Australia isn't a white nation, it's a colony with tons of different fucking cultures, same with america.
If you were to say europe is primarily for whites I'd agree, as it is practically they're original area after migration from africa and interbreeding with neanderthals, but only recently did we colonize out of europe.
It'd be like saying south america is spanish/portuguese., while it did get colonized by the spanish/portuguese. it practically has racial elements which you seriously could not distinct as spanish/Portuguese.
beyond dialetic.
>>55800918
>And you seemed to completely ignore what I said about our "Whiteness"
did you miss the part about ethnic homogeneity before we volunteered to have our shit fucked up by mass immigration? Who's in third place after the Chinese?
Comparing us to South America racially is just plain dumb, native peoples were present in far greater numbers and densities, and have had immeasurably greater impact on their modern societies compared to abbos here. Hell, if we hadn't done a 180 and started preserving them, they'd barely exist at all by now.
>>55801066
You're a fucking idiot.
>Ethnic Homogenity
>Multiple european ethnicities coming towards australia
>Ethnic homogenity
Jesus dude, I don't like blacks either but you argue like a WN.
Whites don't all agree we each other, we definitely don't like other races but we do also very much dislike each other for our stupid subjective semantics.
>>55801305
>multiple european ethnicities
I'm not saying that they didn't exist, but really, 2%? That's your idea of a multicultural society?
>>55801505
>Where'd you pull that out of your arse?
>>55795418
we will be seeing you in one of ISIS torture kill videos.
>>55798882
Okay, so, I left this thread, and now you're arguing with someone else, but for what it's worth, no, I don't think China is our enemy. I think they're our biggest fucking bet for becoming a legitimate force in the Pacific.
The PROBLEM that Australia faces is the increased focus on the Pacific and the awkward position that puts us in with the Yanks. I basically agree with you.
>>55801889
Alright, you just seemed to be going on a tangent with your whole soldier hate bullshit so I misinterpreted it.
Because it usually comes from rightists who are all fucking cranky about chinks or libbie progressive idiots who think muslims are moderate.
>>55795418
Kill the jews instead, like yourself.
>>55801889
China is a huge threat, as long as I am alive I hope our allies remain the US and the UK.
I have seen it even with Chinese international students here, make no mistake they view the US as their military enemies and are aware we are with the US. Students who have willingly come here to study, view us an enemy state.
Without the US, China would happily turn us into a third world country and bleed us of our resources.
>>55802126
No, I'm definitely not a rightist, I definitely don't hate 'chinks' being in Australia (although it does piss me off when they can't speak english and take part in a fucking group assignment at Uni), and I'm sure as hell not into the 'moderate' muslim bullshit.
My soldier hate comes not from a hatred of the institution of the army per se, but from a complete lack of confidence in the diplomatic strategy of our government (Australia has always been useless at diplomacy and it infuriates me to no end) and a general disdain for the sort of person who joins the Army due to a sudden burst of emotion, which unfortunately is a LOT of the kids who end up joining.
>>55802338
>basing diplomatic relations on the populace
wait, not even that,
>basing diplomatic relations on a tiny portion of the populace
Remember that time the US went to war with Iran and Pakistan for being muslim? Remember that time Israel and Saudi Arabia refused to cooperate with one another due to their bitter hatred and religious differences? Remember that time Australia went to war with Indonesia over the boats?
nah I don't either mate
>>55802383
>and a general disdain for the sort of person who joins the Army due to a sudden burst of emotion, which unfortunately is a LOT of the kids who end up joining.
Which are usually culled out by PT and physical training, the military is made to weed out the emotional, and they do.
>No, I'm definitely not a rightist
Then what are ya?
The way you type makes me immediately think that you're passive aggressive so..
>>55802513
These are young Chinese nationals whose government has taught them we are enemies. Do you not understand?
Official diplomats be dammed, it is the best window into the prevailing view of the Chinese populace we will get.
Our economic policy temporarily favored China. Now that they have developed more than sufficient domestic coal supply, are buying Brazilian ore and African resources our economy is no longer propped by Chinese demand.
Why is China building its military unless it wishes to challenge the US?
>>55802627
>Which are usually culled out by PT and physical training, the military is made to weed out the emotional, and they do.
That's simply not true. I know multiple men who have been deployed who attempted suicide.
>Then what are ya?
Honestly, no fucking clue. I guess I'm a realist more than anything, and more focused on international relations than domestic politics, but I'm probably on the left side of the spectrum, and willing to entertain extremist ideas more than most. Probably just easier to say I'm not a conservative, I'm not a 'centrist', and I'm not a Greenie/SAlt fuckwit.
>>55802828
>Why is China building its military unless it wishes to challenge the US?
The US and Australia are not fucking synonymous you mongoloid.
I joined the US navy and I leave to boot camp in a month
>>55802931
>That's simply not true. I know multiple men who have been deployed who attempted suicide.
Anecdotes aren't the same of reality mate, because by anecdote my experiences and other's can prove otherwise, but anyhow.
>Honestly, no fucking clue. I guess I'm a realist more than anything, and more focused on international relations than domestic politics
How that is worded makes me doubtful of your realism, but for entertainment I'll keep discussing.
>But I'm probably on the left side of the spectrum
Sociopolitically?
>>55803033
The US and Aus are allied however. Furthermore it shows a definite interest on China's part to be the big kid on the block.
In what universe is the US a bigger threat to us than China.
>>55803100
>Sociopolitically?
I don't know what you mean by this.
I'm on the left in the sense that I'm anti-capitalist, place an importance on matters of class and production, and believe that rampant economic liberalism is dangerous.
But I also believe in populism and civic nationalism as forces for good so what the fuck do I know.
>>55803430 here
also don't then label me a hypocrite/moron for calling myself a realist, because there's a big fucking difference between ideals and implementation
>>55803430
>>55803505
Nigga do you even study what you believe
>Civic nationalism
Butwhy.jpg
You can have ethnic nationalism, under communes and this is far more secure, as is populism under one ethnicity.
And the ironic thing is civic nationalism is idiotic if you combine it with populism as civic nationalism is basically what australia and america have today and look at where that is gettin gus.
>>55796136
Norway's
>>55803841
Looks pretty standard to Scandinavia.
>>55799861
shut the fuck chinaman, USA is our greatest alli
>>55803915
Jesus you wouldn't see a trap for a boy anyday.
>>55795418
No.
This whole mess is bullshit.
