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Film General Thread, aka FGT.
>just posting in the FGT doesn't make you gay, unless you shoot zenit
This is the thread for all of your stupid film questions, and to post your film snapshits without flushing them down the RPToilet.
It's OK to ask about film gear in this thread.
>sorry kids, cbf making an oc image this week
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Which is the most affordable film right now? I mean the one you can go to a shop and just buy. I've been using Fujicolor c200
>>2820365
That's such a regional-specific question. There's no point in asking that unless you provide more details. Last place I lived had a store that sold bulk rolled Kodak 200 stuff for $2/roll. Place I live now has a store that sell some Lomo c41 for $2.50 a roll.
>>2819920
I am v. jelly of your Sensia.
Provia 400 is pretty amazing film for snapshitting as well.
Would love to shoot it in MF.
I hope your E100VS has held up better than mine though.
Pic related.
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>>2820365
As far as new film, at full price, in retail stores, you're pretty much there, bb.
Only HP5 has come close in my experience.
Buying Slovenian shit like Foma online may be cheaper, but who cares.
>>2820363
>that filesize
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>>2820371
Felm is dope af niqqa.
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Is the Nikon f1 better suited for hiking then the Olympus om1? I have both in mint condition and I plan on hiking in new mexico this summer
>>2820376
>I have both in mint condition
I tried DSLR scanning and the amount of detail I got is so much better than what I got from the expensive lab scans.
However I am struggling with the color correction part. I have done this a couple other times and I got ok results. I think one of the problems in this case might be that the backlight was uneven (thus the color gradient from yellow to blue in the 3rd pic.), and that I probably underexposed when scanning the negative.
How can you tell while you're scanning that you are properly exposing the negative?
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>>2820369
There's no way the slide looks like that?? You microwaving your film or something?
E100VS was super dope stuff. Pic related: 30 minute exposure.
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>>2820363
>buy a Zenit
>pay extra for a brand new one to be on the safe side
>after one use the film advance sprocket no longer unlocks to allow rewinding
>all rolls have a matching thick streak across the entire surface
Should have just done pic related from the beginning.
>>2820365
agfaphoto vista 200
>>2820388
I feel like I'm being trolled.
You know the last OP said menelta was gay, right?
>>2820387
I just think it wasn't kept in the fridge. However it only cost me 100yen, and I developed it myself, so no harm no foul.
>>2820385
Check yo histogram. Expose to the right. Scanning colour negs is easy because they're not contrasty.
What's most important though is ensuring perfectly even illumination across the frame.
>>2820395
That was the last OP.
What's wrong with Minolta anyway? I always hear these remarks yet nobody bothers explaining their reasoning.
Agfaphoto Vista 200
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>>2820460
I don't know how you somehow made this look so awful.
>ILCE-7
Oh, that's how you made it look so awful.
Just scored 7 rolls Provia 100f and 5 rolls Velveeta 100 for the RB67. Going to stock up on my Tri-X too I'm out of 400 speed 120
Aw yiss.
>>2820460
I've got hundreds of rolls of Agfa Vista 200 i've shot some but had none developed yet. I hoped they would look cleaner than picture related. Can you please elaborate on your equipment and prosecute.
>>2820762
why'd you get hundreds of rolls of a film you haven't used already?
>>2820762
I have an awful scanning technique at the moment using a homemade rig. And thats pretty substantial crop from the whole negative so the grain is much more visible.
different example, just a snapshot, but I suppose a better scan.
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Is there still people who use disposable camera ?
>>2820385
can you post set up or at least describe? I'm having struggle finding a working rig without investing hundreds of bucks into some ridiculous lighting or flash setup
>>2820807
see
>>2820374
and pic related
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>>2820813
Not him, but pic related is mine.
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>>2820861
yeah I know that one, was just wondering what he used
>>2820885
Terrible setup I guess but it gave me some okay results a couple times. I obviously need to work on it and get more consistent on the scanning process.
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>>2820861
could you please show what results you get with this setup?
>>2820920
>I use a Canon 550D and a 100mm Macro pointed downward at a pane of glass on which the film sits.
>I use a remote flash to illuminate the film from underneath, with plenty of diffusion material in between.
>I convert the raw files from the camera with the Canon software, and edit the jpegs using GIMP. I stitch several shots for medium format film
Ah okay just as I thought, I'm the one who asked you in that thread too. Great results.
Just got this yesterday, most of it's sold already, sorta regret :|
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>>2820937
Was cold-stored so hopefully won't end up like that, even if it does I personally like the look c:
paid a decent amount, made a good profit
kept 5 rolls of each, still got some sensia left to sell
>>2820937
also lol didnt realize that was a reply to my post in the dead thread, I hope it ends up better too
>>2820774
was this also scanned 35mm? very detailed, beautiful
Asked this in the gear thread, but how does anyone with a big MF SLR kit carry their gear around? My generic camera bag couldn't really handle the body/lenses/backs/tripod loadout when I visited a garden recently.
Pic related - RZ67 Pro II, 65mm, Velvia 50, basic lab scan.
![amazon-basics-camera-backpack-review[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RTnP7sQ.jpg "amazon-basics-camera-backpack-review[1]")
>>2820986
I use a cheap amazon basics camera backpack. It holds my rz67 with a 90mm, a 180mm, metered prism, polaroid back, filters, a meter, and a few rolls, plus I strap an over sized L-grip on the outside in the bungees. it's 20 bucks, pic related.
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First time shooting on film bought a canon AV-1 for £15 How bad am I P?
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>>2820988
Thx! I wasnt sure if the Amazon ones were big/sturdy enough compared to the lowepros of the world, and since everything is described in DSLR capacity I was second guessing everything
>>2820992
They aren't exceptionally sturdy, or big, but it holds enough stuff for going to and from places. otherwise I just take it out, mount it on the tripod or the L-grip, and just walk around. I'll slip the spare lens and the meter into my shoulder bag, along with my digital.
why has everyone stopped selling Tmax developer (not RS) ?
is it gone discontinued ?
>>2821066
I got a bottle :3
Picked it up in JPY.
Can only imagine how 2 x 1 Litre bottles of fix and dev, as well as a stainless dev tank and reels must have looked on the X-ray, but I got through...
I think there have been a lot of issues with shipping these concentrated devs, related to their strongly alkaline nature and a change in regulations with some big carriers, so some work is going into repackaging them to be compliant.
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I just shot, developed, and scanned my first roll of film. Developing and scanning went well, but I fucked up the exposure on a lot of them. I'm using a Yashica-Mat, but for some reason it doesn't focus to infinity. Should I take it in for servicing or try to fix it myself?
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>>2821119
fucked up the exposure on this one, but it was somewhat salvageable.
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>>2821120
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>>2821121
I think this is my favorite shot, but I did lose a whole roll when the clasp that closes camera back came undone. I tried winding the film through and then back again, but that failed. What should I do if that happens again? just trash the roll?
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>>2820365
Regional specific
But what I can tell you, if you want stuff from the drug store I've mostly been picking up Kodak Ultramax 400, there's also Fuji Superia 400 but I had a bad experience with it.
>>2821123
if you're developing yourself, might as well see if you can salvage any shots.
Make sure to close asap though
So I got a Canoscan LIDE 600f with a 35mm adapter and Vue Scan.
Vue Scan wont make previews or scans ONLY in transparency mode.
Halp me /p/ please cause I would rather not DSLR scan 325 negatives.
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>>2820978
Thank you It was yes, I found agfaphoto vista is variable, so no two rolls are exactly alike.
>>2821166
DSLR scanning is faster, noob.
Again, re: Japan thread, I scanned all of my 35mm B&W at the same time; I just checked the exif and scans No:34 and No. 361 are less than 2 hours apart, and I'm pretty sure that included a break for dinner.
>>2821185
I do prefer DSLR scanning but it personally takes me less that a minute per frame on the canon for low res, good for posting online straight outta the scanner.
I eventually figured out canons shitty software so I don't need vuescan now.
Also, those pics from a the ja/p/an thread are sick, thanks for sharing
Melbourne 2016
PAN 400 pushed to 3200
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>>2820996
In practice thats what I ended up doing as well. The body remained on the tripod, and I swapped lenses and backs as needed, but that required me using areas in my bag that weren't protected/padded. Luckily the gardens weren't massive. Thanks for the input.
>http://photo-analogue.blogspot.com.au/
This blog is fucking deluxe.
If you find yourself contemplating an obscure camera or film, I highly suggest checking whether this guy has used it first.
Found this Minolta x300 with sigma zoom lens in a thrift store yesterday for 5 euro.
I have never shot on film before and I wasn't planning too either but the camera looked nice.
So any advice for a complete beginner? I will begin with buying some batteries and check if it still works, kek.
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>>2821280
>So any advice for a complete beginner?
Set the ISO dial to match the speed of the film you're using. DON'T "PUSH" YOUR FILM.
When you're loading the film, make sure you wind on at least one full crank of the lever's worth of film before you close the back, so you know it's started. Then, take up the slack inside the film canister by turning the rewin crank in the direction of the arrow until you start to feel some tension.
Close the back.
Now, as you fire the shutter and advance the film to frame 1, you should see the rewind crank turn at the same time, giving you positive confirmation that the film is being drawn out of the canister.
Finally if the camera has automatic exposure modes, USE THEM.
When you're up to frame 37/8/9, you will encounter resistance when you try to wind on the next frame. DON'T FORCE IT. You're done. Rewind the film all the way, and take the film to get developed.
>congrats you avoided every rookie error
>>2821280
First test to see the camera works. Might want to shoot a test roll too to check for stuff like possibly misaligned back plate (properly focused photos are out of focus). Then toss the zoom into the junk pile and get a Minolta standard lens, f/1.7 50mm and f/2 45mm MD Rokkors are good, the former also has the spinning bokeh effect when wide open if you're into that sort of stuff, the latter is somewhat sharper. Commonly found on Ebay for around 50 bucks. Start out with Kodak Gold/Ultramax or Fuji Superia 200/400, move on to more expensive films like Portra only once you sort of know what you're doing.
>>2821297
Ain't nothing wrong with pushing your film mate
I recently order a few things and a couple of films on top to get free shipping.
They are Superia X-Tra 800 and Superia 1600.
The thing is I don't plan on using them until June/July, so I stored them in the fridge.
Now the problem is that relative humidity in the fridge varies from 70% to 90%. Will this negatively affect the negatives if they will only be stored for 2 to 2 and a half months?
Got an old roll of colour fuji film from a friend. Its at least 15 years old, and haven't been refrigerated. Is it a waste to shoot it? Any tips with expired film?
>>2821371
You can use sealable plastic bags like those airport security-approved ones if you want to be sure to keep the moisture out. That said, I just keep the rolls in their containers and stash them in an old ice cream box, and it seems to be working just fine, the containers are fairly airtight (an old scout trick for keeping matches dry was stashing them in film roll containers).
Superia 800 and 1600 are mushy as fuck anyway, not much you can do to make them any worse.
>>2821371
Shit, misread, thought you were using a freezer. I don't recommend keeping film in the fridge, and besides what's the point when you might as well use a freezer? Thawing frozen film takes very little time either way. Also, if you bought fresh rolls, they should have more than enough use by date to last in room temperature for just a couple months. >>2821395
>>2821336
die in a fire
>>2821371
you can seal it in a plastic bag or container so the fridge's humidity is irrelevant, unless you plan on keeping it next to your breakfast, duh
>>2821379
overexpose 2 stops, 1 if you want a "old family photos" vibe to your images. rule of thumb is overexpose 1 stop (box iso/2)for every 10 years, none if it's been frozen/refridgerated. More if kept in warm places/climates/the higher the film's base iso (low iso films keep better, b/w films keep better, c41 colour films keep worse). Not a waste to shoot it, expect bigger grain, wonky colour balance (the latter fixable in post). Don't forget to post results on /p/ and don't be a snapshitter.
>>2821401
>die in a fire
Wow.
>>2820914
what lens is that? Also it's hard to see but the setup is PC Monitor -> glass -> duct tape thingy -> film negative right?
>>2821597
That's a 50mm 1.8 attached to an extension tube.
Basically a source of light as even as possible, the monitor is the only thing that comes as close to this right now.
Then in that picture the film is taped to a piece of glass, but I plan on buying a film holder for scanners so the film will be easier to handle.
Also make sure the film is a couple inches away from the screen so the pixels are out of focus.
Captcha: Select all images with trees
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>>2820914
lol thats so ghetto
im just gonna post my recent photos here. some of these scans look pretty shitty, i dont know why. I dont know if the meter on my OM-2n is kaput, desu it probs is. These are all on kodak gold
Is it really necessary to keep moisture out when storing film in the fridge?
I usually just chuck the film in my fridge door, some of it without canisters, and it's seemed to hold up fine.
>>2821682
>>2821684
>>2821686
i can't tell if i like this. i definitely wasn't trying to be out of focus, but i like it
>>2821687
oops forgot pic
>>2821688
obligatory spring shit
>>2821689
& thats it
>>2821683
>High humidity can promote mold growth and ferrotyping. Low humidity can create static marks when printing or cause buckling due to uneven moisture loss. Exposed film, particularly color film, deteriorates more rapidly than unexposed film.
https://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/tib/tib5202.shtml
I guess it depends on how long you have it stored and other factors such as extreme humidity.
Hi /p/ I saw a couple of used cameras and am wondering which one should I buy?
>Ricoh Xr-5 with a Riconar 55mm f2 ($65)
or
>Pentax p30t with a vivitar 35-70mm ($50)
I have a DSLR but wanted a good ol' film camera to start. What do you guys think?
>>2821704
none, go in a thrift store and pick a good camera up for about 5$ no joke
>>2821715
I think those are the best prices I can get regardless of he model (I'm not in the US) I'll keep searching then, but IF those were the options is any better than the other? Or they are really complete garbage?
>>2821727
If you really have to ask, go for the pentax with zoom. If you know you want to be stuck with one focal length sure, go for the ricoh.
>>2821704
Don't know about the Ricoh, but the first thing you need to do with the Pentax is to throw that piece of shit zoom into the trash bin and buy a decent prime, or at least a zoom that isn't Vivitar. So you might as well double the price for it, you'll be wasting film on a horrible cheap zoom lens.
>>2821704
The Ricoh KR-5 is a very barebones camera with limited functionality (limited selection of shutter speeds) and a crude match-needle metering display. It's definitely not worth anywhere near $65, if you really insist on a full manual camera with uncoupled match needle metering, get a Praktica MTL. The Pentax comes with a crappy 3rd party zoom lens.
>>2821766
I don't know why you keep doing it, but please stop recommending people buy Prakticas.
They are fucking awful cameras.
>>2821090
cozy
>>2821881
Where did you see them?
>go to shop
>put ricoh 50mm on pentecks
>take up to counter
????
>don't really profit, but get a useful first SLR setup
Looking for a good flash for my Nikon FE. I've seen the SB-22 for a really affordable price but it doesn't swivel (though I guess I can just use it off camera) and ken says you have to shoot a frame to wake it up.
I would also like to use it on a D5100 off camera.
How about the SB-24 or the SB-25?
Any suggestions? I would like to keep the price under 50€.
>>2822126
The SB-24 is a boss flash. Buy it.
>>2821704
I have a kr-10 and it's quite basic. I like it although the light sealing foam is shot and I need to redo it.
The rikonar 50mm f2 on it is divine. I'm using it on my k10d and it's so bloody sharp.
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>>2820374
Very nice work.
what to expect from a sealed disposable expired in 07/2002?
specifically a kodak fun saver 35
no results at all?
>>2821881
Get a Pentax me super, do not get a practika they are trash.
>>2822600
Thanks, that's what I thought. I'll read the thread.
>>2822226
but that shot is massively out of focus, queen moronius?
>>2822611
I really don't know what that shot's purpose was desu but I guess he tried to focus on the mountains in the background.
Newish to film - all my negs have been sleeves by the lab, but now I'm putting them all in organized binders. The sheets I bought say "inswrt emulsion side down" - how can you tell?
I've been putting them in so they "read" correctly on the page - the film data is legible and oriented the way I remember taking the shot (if I can). Is that right? What's the danger if they go in emulsion side up?
Pic related, me squinting at negatives.
RZ67 pro II, 65mm, tmax 100
>>2822684
The emulsion side is the one that doesn't shine, the matte one.
>I've been putting them in so they "read" correctly on the page [...] Is that right?
It is right.
>>2822126
I've read more on this and I think I'll opt for the SB-22 due to it's size and >20€
Also I said it doesn't swivel but it actually rotates although not like the SB-24.
For the price I guess it seems to be a good flash to start.
>>2822708
The SB 24 is much more powerful and versatile, with full zoom and swivel functions, has a very useful led scale on the back that shows your range for a given aperture and ISO when using manual flash, and offers rear curtain sync and strobe functions. It can also be triggered with a PC cable, for use with older or larger format cameras.
All that said though, if you're just using it to blast head on flash at people with a 35-50mm lense on a normal camera, smaller is usually more convenient.
If you live in the UK go down to your local sainsbury's. All fujicolor film reduced to 50p, wide range of expiration dates. (if by some chance you are in Edinburgh don't go to Meadowbank as I just cleaned it out)
what's your guys thoughts on the Kodak Colorplus 200?
it's the only 35mm film I can get my hands on where I live without being thoroughly ripped off
>>2820914
Why do people insist on these hilarious solutions for DSLR scanning? You already own an expensive digital camera, just fork up the 20 dollars for a small light table if you are going to DSLR scan.
>>2822696
Thx!
>>2823089
Honestly hilarious solutions for DSLR scanning is what came to my mind while I was doing this. Anyway I only scanned a roll that way, it's obviously a temporary thing and it was fun the first time but I don't think I'll be doing this again.
I am now looking for a flash unit since the light table seemed a good a idea but I'd rather get something that could serve multiple purposes and DSLR scanning with flash seems to be working flawlessly for >>2820861
>>2823113
Get one of the Lithium Ion battery ones.
Super fast recycle, and you don't need to keep buying batteries.
>>2823017
Only shot it once out of novelty, since it's not very common around here. Soft and grainy for its speed, with a strangely yellow tone, which gave the photos a comfy retro-ish feel. Pic related.
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>>2822924
>implying my local Sainsbury's sells 35mm film
>>2823149
C O M F Y
Discussion: What's your favorite film to use and why?
I personally really like Lomo CN 800. It has a reasonable amount of grain and very warm tones. Their 400 is pretty egh, it's very easy to saturate the tones on 400, although I'm not sure why it is.
Runner up would be Ultramax 400.
Pic is 800, I really like it even though it's trash.
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>>2820363
>Mfw coming to /p/ for the first time and seeing the OP image.
>Green and purple.
Wow, Doc. I didn't know you gave out doses around these parts.
hey guys, i made this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj7Em7VNHfU
and took a photo of a neg and can't make it look good in ps/lr
am i just retarded or is this "scan" just bad?
>>2823269
it's probably the paper, also using a P&S for scanning is not necessarily optimal
>>2823089
can you recommend any light table in particular? Amazon is only giving me really expensive ones and I don't really know what to search for desu
>>2823277
sure but i can use it or a phone
i loose a lot of detail and color is so deformed i think it's a lost cause but i kinda like this effect
>>2823283
well you should certainly replace the paper if you want clearer scans, those weird dots are the texture of the paper
try some white plastic or something that doesn't have a texture and will the light through
>>2823174
I have no idea what you're talking about?
If you came from reddit and there's some poster there called Doc, I'm not them.
>>2823293
I think it's some sort of /a/ meme
What's the best compact film camera so I can take trendy pictures for my photoblog? I'm looking st something like the Canonet QL17, have heard good things.
Is there anything else (relatively inexpensive) I should consider? I would prefer it to have some manual controls rather than something like an Olympus Trip.
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>>2823517
Olympus did some compact rangefinders which were quite popular, 35 RC SP RD. Not sure which one was the best.
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>>2823563
this
how does a negative straight from the scanner look like? can somebody post a sample? just a file from the scanner with no alterations.
i'm wondering if i should get a film scanner and i would like to check if i'd be able to edit it
>>2823517
GL19 is similar and often found a bit cheaper
>>2820363
my father gave me a Contax T
I have here a roll of color negative film expired some 30 years ago
I've seen expired film results but how will 30y hold up?
it stayed in a refrigerator for 5 years or so tho when it was still good
and how much sensitivity can I expect it to have lost?
I want to make the flowers really pop. What film should I use?
>>2823837
nah its not worth it
get a roll of portra or even some cheap shit
save expired film for shitty cameras
>>2823517
save yourself the time, money and hassle of shit parallax/shit fixed lenses by buying a cl (pretty fucking compact) or bessa with a voight. if you dont like it you can flip it.
or just buy a luxury compact or an xa
>>2823883
velvia
>>2823923
what about a hexar rf?
>>2823951
Because no one cares about your snapshits
>>2823923
uhh the ql has paralax correction and a great lens
>>2820385
I think I got the negative better exposed now.
This is from my first roll which I had a cheap lab make me 10x15 prints of.
I tried two different methods for processing the negatives so I could compare them to the original print.
From left to right: Negative > Original print > Photoshop (Invert+auto color and playing with other adjustments) > Lightroom (Inverting RGB curves one by one and playing with other adjustments)
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I still have to get consistent on the processing part and improving some aspects of my scanning setup but so far I'm happy with the results although they can vary depending on your method but I guess this proves that it's not that hard to get fairly acceptable results with little practice.
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>>2824070
What part of dedicated macro lense eludes you people?
Think about the nature of the photographic task you're trying to achieve.
You want precise rendition of microscopic particles of silver on a flat plane at 1:1 magnification. That's something you need a specialised lense for.
>>2824090
but that anon is using extension tubes
>>2823150
Maybe not Sainsbury's Local, maybe the big stores do, it's hard to believe. The Sainsbury's supermarket by me has a Jesse's in side of it.
Can anyone recommend me a C41 developer for all my pound shop Agfa Vista 200 please?
>>2824104
https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemistry/color-chemistry/c-41/4538/tetenal-colortecc-c-41-kit-for-5l
>>2824105
Any good?
>>2824105
Is it worth buying this if you shoot 2 to 3 rolls a month?
>>2824139
Sure. Just save that shit up.
In a couple of years you'll have enough film to justify mixing up one litre of solution.
Finally got around to busting the plastic mount obstruction off the back of my EF-S 10-22mm and trying it on a film EOS.
Just took some snapshits to see what it would do.
Worked perfectly.
This is at about 13 mm, which is as wide as it will go before the mirror comes into contact with the rear element.
No vignetting at other focal lengths or focusing distances.
Gets a bit smeary towards the absolute corners if you're not stopped down, but f/16 clears it up.
If you have this lense, you should definitely do this.
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>>2824267
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>>2824287
A 1L liquid kit is the best way to start.
Don't be too concerned about the 'working life' of your chemicals, just keep them in the dark in appropriately sized sealed containers and you'll be fine.
I use Mocconna jars.
Once you take control of the dev process, you'll be a little more likely to shoot film anyway, as it makes it so much cheaper and easier when you cut out the middle man, so you'll get through the film you need to use it up.
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>>2821799
Not that guy but I use a Praktica BC1 and like it a lot, cost me £1.
How difficult is it to process colour negative film?
I've been shooting Ilford HP5 because I've heard black and white is easier to process but really I prefer shooting in colour.. don't want to spend an assload having a roll of film developed every time just for colour though.
>>2824424
I never developed B&W myself but I started doing c41 this month and it's really piss easy. Just follow the instructions that come with your developing kit and maybe watch a YouTube video or two about the process and you'll be fine
>>2822924
You're a fucking prick btw.
>>2824523
A prick with a stash of cheap film to shoot
>>2824531
>Have over 200 rolls of 135 to shoot
>just like buying cheap film
Maybe I'll try Cameron Toll or something.
>>2820400
Nothing. Its just a runing gag.
They've made worse and better cameras and some good, bright glass that you can get stupidly cheap.
>>2824536
Poundland in Meadowbank generally forget to separate their bricks of film meaning you get 10 for a pound as long as you go to a younger cashier
>>2824304
is it now? i dont shoot color anyhow so....otherwise id recommend hc110 and tf4
Have some horribly scanned snaps. Fuji Superia 400@iso 200.
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>>2824717
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>>2824721
that's all really. maybe next time I'll try to into "dslr" scanning with my xpro1, rokkor 50, and some extension tubes.
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>>2824723
"honey, there is a childrapist taking photos of our girls"
"I know babe I can see him in the reflection of my sunglasses"
"Shouldn't you go stop him?"
"No he'll go away"
>>2824727
10/10
>>2824441
Which brand of kit did you start with?
>>2824539
You lucky Fuck! The I went to poundland a few times and bought the lot. It's Agfa Vista 200 and comes indavidualy boxed but they lay them in their packaging box so theres 100 in a card box. Sometimes it's got a girl on the individual boxes sometimes not. Sometimes it's branded AGFA on the actual canister sometimes it's a unbranded magenta roll that reminds m of boots brand film,
So today I shot three rolls of some "Kodacolor VR Plus 200" that I got for the support of 0.75$ each, the expiry date for the three rolls is 12/2007 so I shot it as ISO 100 film, should I specify this when getting the film developed in a local lab?
>>2824772
The magenta ones are the new kind. The old ones come in bricks of ten, sucks if the new ones only come in 100s as it would take one hell of a mongo to scan that for £1
>>2824070
>damn those are sharp
This is a 100% crop. In this case I used a 35-70mm 3.3 nikkor zoom lens for convenience that Ken lists as one of the worst lenses made by nikon. This and a 27.5mm extension tube, although I'd usually use my 50mm 1.8 instead of the zoom for better results.
In my opinion even using a lens like this produces relatively acceptable results.
I'm just posting these as a complete beginner in DSLR scanning (this is literally the third time I've done it) to encourage other anons that may be thinking about trying this, and that with little equipment you can produce ok results to post your snaps in 4chan.
>>2824774
No.
f100 kodak ektar 100
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>>2825278
>posting inferior test shots
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>>2820388
I made the decision to start shooting film a few weeks ago, asked the guy at the camera store what he had under $50, and got the Zenit EM. I love it, but the shutter curtain doesn't always close all the way, leading to stuff like this.
I brought it back to the store and they said since I hadn't had it more than a week, I could return it for something else, but I like how it feels in my hands. Is there something I could lubricate to make the shutter close more easily?
>>2825404
>but I like how it feels in my hands
Your hands have turned gay, cut them off.
But seriously, have you never even touched another camera before?
They are literally all better then the Zenit.
Get a refund, or throw it in the trash; either option is better than continuing to waste film in it.
Ebay any working Japanese SLR younger than you are with a 50mm. Success
>>2825404
https://www.lomography.com/magazine/189403-zenit-e-shutter-curtain-repairs
http://cameras.alfredklomp.com/zenite/repair/
>>2824981
Ok thanks.
>>2825409
Maybe there's better options, but I already feel attached to it. It's old and temperamental, but that's part of why I wanted to start playing with film. Once the shutter's working properly, I think it'll be great. Especially because the camera is helping me become a better photographer by forcing me to carefully think about what I'm doing before every single shot. Years of digital photography have made me lazy (case in point). If the photography itself isn't good, why bother spending money on a nicer camera? Better to keep it simple until I master the basics.
>>2825412
Thank you! I'll be working on this this weekend.
>>2825420
What anons are probably advising is getting a better manual SLR - you don't have to jump the gun and go straight for something electronic. Look, I get you, deeply so - first shot a roll through a Zenit (model irrelevant, they're all virtually identical in every way), but then got a Praktica for more shutter speeds (1s-1/1000) and even though I still love and adore the blocky brickish Zenit there is absolutely no reason to put film it it anymore, given how inferior in every way it is to the praktica. Heavier, with a smaller, worse focusing screen, less shutter speeds, terribad viewfinder coverage (something you should look into when composing your shots, btw).
If you've the chance to get a m42 SLR with a metal shutter, do it. The cloth courtains in Zenits are a ticking timebomb of failure and sadness.
>>2825018
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>>2825441
>when you find out the anon recommending prakticas was just the inbred slovenian tripfag all along
I have about 50 cameras, including a Zenit EM, a Praktica IV and an MTL5. The only reason I haven't thrown them in the bin is my fear that a crosseyed dirt-farmer like you would dig them out of the trash and return them into circulation to hurt more people.
If you must use M42 lenses, at least shoot them on a Pentacks or Fuji.
>>2825404
>Better to keep it simple until I master the basics.
Then toss the Zenit and get a Praktica MTL, it's basically the same thing except better at everything. Aside from being mechanically faulty, Zenits have the problem of very limited shutter speeds and shitty viewfinder, which place a limit on what you can actually do with them. Especially in the slower end - no shutter speeds below 1/30 aside from bulb is just bullshit, which will lead you into situations where you actually cannot get an exposure because you don't have speeds slow enough, and you're out of aperture options. Meanwhile the MTL goes all the way down to 1 second setting while also having 1/1000 maximum to Zenit's 1/500.
>>2825582
Funny how this guy always jumps out of the woodwork when someone mentions a Praktica.
>>2825609
>Funny how this guy always jumps out of the woodwork when someone mentions a Praktica.
I wonder if you or the guy you're replying to that goes full autist whenever Peterson's Understanding Exposure is mentioned.
Stupid question, I am a beginner to film and I use a Minolta X-700. I plan on using the Aperture Priority setting because Manual is spooky. That being said I am looking for good Black and White film to shoot on overcast days, any ones you guys suggest?
Also general tips would be helpful, thank you!
>>2825797
Tri-x is life
Tri-x is love
So I happened to be in the Brisbane CBD the other day and decided to take a peek in the Ted's Camera Store on Adelaide St.
Much to my surprise, they had some film for sale, including 3pks of Superia 200, which I quite liked.
Asked the salesgirl how much.
>$32.95, really good value that one
Holy fucking shit. She got pretty snippy when I literally scoffed at that.
I said that's about double the price of the last place I bought them, went home and checked the price tag on the box and it was $18.95.
It really makes me sad to think that noobs see these ripoff merchant prices and think that's how much it really costs to shoot film; and then when they pay someone $20 for a dev and scan, and get Noritsu scans back, they think that garbage is the sort of quality you get.
>greedy shopkeepers kill the film
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>>2825781
Damn. Forgot to, sorry.
>>2825799
my local shop does 6 dollars for a dev and scan
>>2825801
Good for you, lil buddy!
The situation in Brisbane is pretty grim though.
I'm thinking I'll probably start up a dev enterprise of my own at some stage though.
$20 dev plus DLSR scans, $7 bulk rolled film ($25 incl. dev&scan), $13 dev only or scan only, all processes, all formats.
It would be less of a money-making enterprise than a way of funding my own expenses.
>>2825808
I could pay around 6 bucks for development of BW film and another 6 for a shitty scan with bad, digitall looking grain (pretty sharp thou).
I just bought a 500ml bottle of Rodinal for 13 bucks and decided to develop and scan my own shit. Quality I get with my crappy Nex is still much better than a lab stuff.
This was taken on fp4+ at 125 iso, I'm really pleased with this film so far.
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>>2825609
>>2825582
>>2825441
Welp. Just got my roll from Saturday back. Another set ruined in new and exciting ways. And now the lens cover is falling off.
I WILL PERSEVERE.
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>>2823517
I recently bough this and It's one of the best, most pleasant and satysfing thing I've ever bought. Sometimes I just touch it when I feel bad about myself.
Might be something wrong with me....
It takes photos, too.
>>2825822
>buying zenit
>>2825822
I also recently had a bad experience with my local retards
>>2823278
Something like the Artograph LightTracer Light Box 10 in. by 12 in on Amazon is about is cheap as light boxes get new and at the very least you'll be able to lay film directly on it without getting a grid of pixels like you would get with a monitor. Or maybe something like the Logan Electric 5.5 x 9.5" Light Box #501 on B&H. If you have about $100 to spare there are some more pricey ones that might provide brighter or more even light but it might not be necessary for your purposes.
>>2823171
>cn film
gross
mine are tmax for beauty, tri-x for bite. all I've ever wanted to use. both push amazingly well too, especially in TMAX dev
Hey guy's I've recently started shooting film (Nikon F2) and as somebody who started with DSLR (Nikon 5500D? I think) I complain that I have to use a whole roll to switch into a different ISO or black and white
So i was thinking why not have two film cameras?
What cheap film camera thats not battery dependent would you recommend to me?
>>2825527
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>>2825822
If you really want to go out of your way to make your life difficult and frustrating, then I'm not going to stop you. I don't have the money to waste of results like that. The only good thing that came out of pic related was the Helios, which is admittedly very nice on my Praktica.
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>>2825881
K-1000
>>2825797
It displays the suggested exposure time, not so spooky now.
>>2825797
There's nothing wrong with shooting auto, just remember that the camera's opinion isn't necessarily the correct one. You'll need to apply compensation or use the auto exposure lock when appropriate to get the best exposure, but that's one thing you learn as you go. Manual mode has its uses but it's not the "pro" mode you seem to believe it is.
Also be sure to always carry extra batteries, the X-700 is a power hog for what is is.
>>2820363
Semi stupid question - If i have 35mm colour film that expires in 2018, I dont need to freeze it after using/exposing the roll, correct?
>>2820363
Is Ilford Pan 400 THAT grainy?
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>>2825955
Yeah, you're right. I guess I'm being a little foolish. I'll keep an eye out for cameras this weekend. Some estate sales have nice little collections.
>>2826107
film will continue to degrade until it gets developed, maybe even a little faster after it's exposed. but no you don't need to freeze it, just get it developed after you shoot it like a normal person. freezing is for long term storage when you're not planning to shoot it for a few months/years.
>>2826128
>>2826133
I don't think it shoul be THAT grainy. I developed mine in rodinal and it looks like this.
Yes cause its 400 !
>>2826160
Thanks :)
Just been sick, so havent been able to get it developed. Would you say a month or so wont make much of a difference?
>>2826172
If it expires in 2018 then no, it won't.
>>2826175
Thank you
>>2826128
>>2826133
This is Ilford Pan 400 (exp. april '18) overexposed 1 or 2 stops, developed in kodak's D-76, scanned at 3100dpi. You can see the scan's too low res to discern the grain.
What dev/dilution/time did you use and how old was your film stock/how was it kept?
>>2826201
You might be a shitposting slav sometimes, but you have a heart after all.
Seeing this picture gives me the feels for some reason.
>>2826201
O KURWA, ale malutko ziarna.
My film wasn't expired, and it was 1 stop underexposed. It was developed and scanned by a "professional lab".
Do you have any tips for developing bw at home?
>>2826250
If you're underexposing and pushing film then ofc it's gonna get grainier.
What tips do you need? Just develop stuff at home, it's easy and cheap.
>>2825920
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Does anyone have a good manual exposure guideline that gives some basic idea for weather? I've been told for ISO100 and sunny weather you'd shoot 8/125 (or a variation with the same ratio), then if you're in shadows you'd go one up in aperture or down in speed, same for clouds or being inside. And then each step of ISO moves the base line by one.
>>2826370
Google: Sunny 16
>>2826374
It's kinda funny. When I started taking photos with film and had no light meter, I used this rule.
What I got was a roll of underexposed photos, I live too far up north for sunlight to reach me.
>>2826250
I wish I had but alas I use a universal PZO tank that, although taking both 35mm and 120, snags the film a lot. Also, being that humongous faggot I am I develop in caffenol (kawa z Auchan najtańsza rozpuszczalna) and although entirely satisfactory, the results feel sacreligious (also foma's rodinal knockoff gets you cheaper dev cost per roll if you're doing high dilution stand development, though I've read rodinal is quite generous with grain size, sth id like to avoid) - I dev too rarely to invest in a proper, but ultimately unstable due to limited shelflife, developer.
Pic is same batch of ilford pan 400 in "delta-std" caffenol mix. My ghetto scan doesnt give it justice, though, grain/quality-wise. Tint added because it felt more vibrant than grayscale.
>>2825808
Where are you getting chems? Last time I got them it was from Photo Continental, obviously that's no longer an option as they closed while I've been overseas for two years.
>>2826328
what film tho
>>2826441
the internet breh
I'll be ordering a 5L C-41 kit and a litre of rodinal from Macodirect tomorrow.
whats a good beginner camera for someone just starting to get into film?
>>2826567
find one for cheap that comes with a 50mm on it or one that works with the lenses of the digital system you shoot.
I did my first cross processing today with some old ass ektachrome 100 (expired 2000) that sat in the drawer exposed since last summer and I finally managed to throw it in some c41
I kinda like that, the tint isn't even half as bad as I thought on most of the shots
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>>2820388
i have that minolta
i love it, the viewfinder is perfect. makes me hate using my d3200, such a wimpy view
>>2825822
>ruined
more like you have an experimental camera now. looks rad as fuck. ill take it from you if you want
>>2826594
That looks nice.
Could you do me a solid and show a picture of the processed film itself, just held up to a window?
Just interested to know what colour it is.
How hard is it to start developing C-41 film at home? I've been developing black and white for a little over a year now and have gotten pretty good at the process.
>>2826659
I would honestly say easier than black and white. You can buy those kits off Freestyle Photographics or Film Photography Project. There are only 3 chemical baths and each batch takes like ~10 mins to develop. You just need to control the temperature +/- 5 deg. F or so. Everything else is exactly the same as black and white, no safelight.
>>2826670
The temperature is the biggest issue I've had with developing color at home. My water only gets to about 110 degrees Fahrenheit and I don't know if that's too cold to do it.
what are the best archival pages for 35mm negatives?
PrintFile are fucking hard to get in and out, because they make the damn slips so tight. struggling and forcing them in/out scratches them all up.
35-Kive is also shit, thin and flimsy and the plastic is so cheap it literally starts falling apart and getting all scratched and beaten up
>>2826675
110 is too hot. Stores have the PDF directions posted, go read them. What you can do is just have hot and cold water running and the temperature should equalize and stay the same for a long time. You can otherwise buy aquarium heaters for cheap to warm up water.
>>2826250
Ah, there it is. I've had the honour of coming across a sagely compatriot of ours on /p/ and he handed down his stingy slav film shooting tips, all invaluable, all precious. Knew I had this screengrab somewhere.
>>2826651
sure
it works pretty much just like any color negative, only the white balance needed a bit more heavy handed tweaking than usual (2400/-140 in LR) when 'scanning' with the flash
>>2826806
Interesting, I'm surprised it doesn't have a transparent base?
>>2826676
Print file seems fine. It's for archival not for taking them in and out constantly. You should not have to do it more than once.
I want to go full Rockwell and use the film with the most saturation I can find. Research brought me to Velvia, is there another option or is this my best choice?
>>2826851
As long as you're comfy with a lot of black in your photos.
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>>2823534
fucking nice cat
I'm developing Acros 100 today for the first time, shot at 100. I'm considering just doing it 1 hour semi-stand in Rodinal 1+100 so I can chuck it in with a roll of HP5 @ 800 I have lying around too.
People have done it with pretty decent results it seems ( http://filmdev.org/recipe/show/8126 ), but do you think I'd get much better results if I deved it stand alone in Rodinal 1+50, D-/& or Rollei Supergrain (the other developers I have around)?
Pic unrelated.
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It's been a while since I processed some film but my last roll of HP5 had a very odd issue.
Negatives were a lot denser than usual and the unexposed areas didn't dry clear but rather grey and matte.
Is this an issue with my fixer?
>>2826967
Which chems and dev/fix times did you use?
>>2826973
Shot at box speed, Rodinal 1+50 for 11-ish minutes. 1 minute stop bath, 5 minutes active fixing and 5 minutes stand fixing 1/9 (Ilford rapid fixer). 21c
It's been about a month since I last processed, stored in an airtight container in my fridge since.
I just want to try narrowing down the problem before processing the other 9 rolls I have waiting.
>>2824538
Speaking of stupidly cheap glass, grabbed this thing for £8 out of a car boot sale this morning.
Early digital interface is a bit shit, but at least it can take modern A mount lenses apparently. Should be fun to play around with.
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What stocks do you use for concert photography? I might be shooting a jazz show tonight (for own fun), but after looking at cinestill scans I don't want to shoot anything too fast. Widest lens I have is a f/2
>>2820363
just a couple snaps off of an older roll.
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>>2826998
That sega needs cleaning badly.
>go outside to take some pictures
>come home and wait until night so I can load the film onto my reels and develop
>fumble around in dark
>backing paper
>not feeling the film
>reach the end of spool
>check the worktop
>nope
>turn light on
>there was no film on my spool at all
>only backing paper
Anyone ever had this before? I want to be angry, but I'm more amazed.
>>2827069
HP5.
Very low light situations like this is one instance where I do not recommend using autoexposure in camera though. If it's too dark to get a normal exposure at 400ISO, just set your lense wide open, and your shutter speed to the slowest you think you can handle, and snap away. f/2 and 1/8 or 1/15 will almost always get something on the film, assuming there's enough light to see by.
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>>2827124
Hahaha. That's what you get for buying slavshit film.
Use a real brand you poor cunt.
>>2827124
>how Obama voters feel
>>2827151
>Go outside and take great photos
>Come inside to develop them
>Turn off the light to load your film and get to work
>234 rich white people keep slapping the shit out of your hand because you're trying to develop the photos your client hired you to take, and they only want to see the ones that they care about.
>Try for 4 years
>Tell your client that you're trying your best, so sorry
>Client says okay, gives you 4 more years to keep trying
>234 rich white people literally lock you out of your darkroom unless you promise to give up on trying to do what you were hired to do, and do what they want you to do in stead.
>4 years later, annoying celebrity photographer shows up to make the dark room great again.
>>2827155
>the victim card
>still
Face it, he's just another corrupt establishment dirtbag who managed to double the debt and expand the government at your expense.
>>2827155
>wanting a dictatorship
Yep, Obama supporter alright.
>>2827147
That's what I get for buying a MURRICAN film.
Fucking capitalist jews desu.
>>2827168
Pretending that everything was great before he took over? Lots of jobs, and peace, and prosperity, and the nation doing well as a whole? Great future ahead of us?
>"...the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
The rich guys say the new tax plan is amazing! I make $50,000 per year. I'm sure it'll be good for me too!
>>2827176
You got fooled, because you're a retard.
The government told you what you wanted to hear, again, and you took the bait... again.
They are doing the same thing again, with Clinton and Trump.
>>2826825
what do I use for taking them in and out? I am constantly reprinting things
>>2827115
It'd be filthy again within a week. I don't know what cheap material SEGA used to make the model 2, but it's a serious dust magnet.
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Aw yiss my film got here
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>>2826817
no idea, I have some old rolls of it developed in E6, let me check on them
>>2827225
so when a negative gets less exposure, its thinner, and more exposure, denser, right?
so if i shoot 400 @ 1600 and push 2 stops, its going to be thinner than a 1600 speed film shot at 1600? or will a properly-developed 1600 speed film just be inherently thinner than a properly-developed 400 speed film?
i've been reading Adam's books and its a bit much to wrap my head around
>>2827213
The presence of dust suggests an unclean environment.
Clean it, clean the rest of your room. Clean yourself. Stop living ffs.
>>2827221
>purchases ornamental film for his ornamental cameras
This was from the ektar100 I believe. My 2nd roll of film I've ever shot. I bought a Voigtlander Vito for $50 with the original case from some guy on Craigslist.
Feedback? I didn't even know how to set the film speed at the time I shot and finished this roll.
>>2827983
Whoops, forgot the image.
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"...a scanner does not capture all of the available image data but rather samples an image and averages the values, it tends to slightly lower contrast along high-contrast edges and smooth out the image." -Taz Tally Ph.D.
Well, then what's the ultimate way of putting your rolls to digital?
>>2828136
habbelsad flextit
>>2827985
Absolutely worthless. Underexposed to fuck. Might as well shoot CP200, then throw the roll in the trash.
>>2828136
Optical Print>Drum scanner>DSLR Scanner(with Sony or Nikon body, good macro, good backlight)>Flextight>Dedicated Film Scanner>Shatbed>DSLR Scanner(with Canon body, non-macro lens, poor/uneven backlight)
>>2828358
what's the difference between a Sony/Nikon and a Canon body?
>>2828362
The internet says that Canon is bad and no longer hip
>>2828362
on average less megapickles and dynamic range which is a dumb correlation cause my canon p&s from 2005 has more DR than Kodachrome and the way 95% people expose and develop their 400 iso speed film really peaks at 15 "true" megapixels and you can't utilize the whole sensor of a dslr/milc while scanning anyway
>>2828362
>>2828376
I think he was just showing the spectrum of potential DSLR scanning outcomes.
Most recent Canons simply aren't as sharp as they Sonikon counterparts. Less pixels and strong AA filters.
I on the other hand, get the good lense and backlight part, so my Canon scans are just fine.
I shot MF velvia for the first time
>MRW holding it up to the light
>>2828472
its really weird sometimes right like how we are capable of such black magic with chemistry
I want to push some Kentmere 400 to either 800 or 1600 depending on my conditions but the issue is that I'm not sure how D-76 will handle it. I don't mind grain and high contrast I just want to know if it's possible and where I can find development times. Thanks.
Where is a good place to buy photo paper for printing black and white images
>>2828561
the internet, local photography stores, off of me.
How about you give us some more information so we can "help" you?
>>2828358
holy smokes optical printers cost 14k USD. My wallet is not fat enough for this.
>>2828358
With the high resolution mode on the K1, I think Pentax might be the king of digital camera scan, not counting Medium Format.
>>2828582
Holy smokes, you're a fucking moron.
That machine is for making prints of motion picture film for screening in cinemas.
If you want to print photos, you get an enlarger out of a dead person's garage for $20.
>>2828624
This, and if you're talking about printing digital images, then you can get a good printer that prints decently large for around $3k.
>>2828175
lol yeah didn't I just say that on the post above?
>>2828362
HP5 or FP4 scanned on a canon 550D with a tamron 60mm 1:1 macro lens.
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>>2828701
dont ask for feedback on shitty accident pictures
>>2825018
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>>2828938
Not too sure about the large chunk of black at the bottom, but I like it.
>>2829097
>replying to 3 different posters saying 3 different things
>none of them are wrong
quality shitposting
