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>>777442
What do you guys think about a Glock knife*
>>777442
What manufacturer is the fixed blade?
>>777457
Polish knifemaker Mariusz Przybyłowski, aka Tlim (www.tlim.net).
It's basically a drop point version of Ray Mears' woodlore (which is a spearpoint) - this style of knife is made all over by a lot of people.
>>777455
gun brand knives are generally a bad idea. Of all that I know, only HK uses a good manyfacturer (benchmade), but still - you want a knife, you're better off buying one made by a company that specialises in knives, not someone who will charge you for a gadget with your favourite gun logo tacked on.
Besides combad blades make rather unimpressive bushcraft knives. You'd do better with something that is scandi grind, or full flat grind, rather than saber grind, and has a good handle, and no guard to get in the way of things.
But if all you're going to do with it is cut sausages around the camp, stab canned food, and sharpen sticks to roast said sausages, it doesn't matter much what you use.
The only reliable knoife i need
>>777469
actually very few companies show the engineering care that glock shew for the glock knife. they intentionally made it out of spring steel to make it a true beater. the glock knife is the knife that basically coined the term, sharpened pry bar. its not going to break with field use, basically even if you wanted to, and if you have the means to maintain a rudimentary edge, its going to do most of what you need it to.
>>777469
How about Gerber Strongarm for bushcraft? There aren't selling many knives in my country. I live in some backward hole in Youropoorea. All I can get is that cheap Glock, Gerbers in some places also Cold steels and some other unknow brands like spanish M.Nieto and the like. Is Glock really that bad idea as a survival knife? I heard some militaries use it?
>>777489
>means to maintain a rudimentary edge
Would fallkniven CC4 cut it?
>>777489
no knife, that is well made, is going to break with field use. Thing is - it takes some experience to know that properly heat treated, 1/8'' thick O1, or A2, etc. is going to stand up to anything but complete ratardation.
Meanwhile - any sucker can be shown a 1/4'' blade and told how "it so stronk!"
>>777499
untrue, the knowledge of steels that you purport would tell you that. the glock knife is military spec slab of steel otherwise known as a bayonet, and is expected to do work unbecoming of a knife. if you are willing to do that work with a hardened high carbon steel, you deserve to lose that knife
>>777495
you know the saying, that the best "survival knife" is the one you have when shit goes south?
Military issue is not a good indicator, since, like Murphy said: "trooper, remember, your gear was made by the cheapest contractor".
Gerber is probably even worse - those are a bunch of knives using bear grylls' name for marketing. Now, if they used another name, that might be different, but Mors Kochansky pushes the skookum bush tool (a $200 knife with a 12+ month waiting list to get one, afaik), Mears has his woodlore (probably the most copied one though).
The cheapest one is probably Les Stroud's collaboration with Helle - called the Temagami.
It all depends on how much you are willing to spend - many online retailers ship all over the world.
Of those brands that you mentioned, I'd probably go with cold steel - some of their stuff (ok, a lot of their stuff) is meme-tier, and a bit on the expensive side (strictly speaking, they're not charging that much more than other companies for comparable stuff, but more than their reputation would deem prudent).
For YURP (which is also where I live), there is lamnia.com
on the plus side - you don't get hit with tax/customs. On the other hand - you do get hit with tax and customs - discretely (simply factored into the price), so you may end up paying a lot. I used them a few times, but that's me - you may value your money differently.
Preferred tip shape, /out/?
>>777512
>>777503
oh, I wasn't taking a jab at the glock specifically - just the general marketing process that went Ophrah with the prybars (you get a 1/4'' thick blade, you get a 1/4'' thick blade, and YOU get a 1/4'' thick blade, etc.)
That said - here's pm101 going full retard on a 1/8'' thick blade, batoning it through something he had no buisness batoning a knife through something he had no buisness batoning in the first place, but fails to break it (which is a success in itself). Link:
https://youtu.be/RCQR6xymR2g?t=567
Softer knives (i'm talking 55-56 HRC) might be able to take silly things you would never do with a knife, but properly made bushcraft/survival knives will take anything you WOULD do with a knife, and they really don't need to be any thicker than 1/8'' to do it.
Higher end steels like O1, A2, 3V, etc, or even "humble" 1075 heat treated for toughness will do you just fine. No need to get paranoid.
>>777512
I'd say drop point, kephart, regular spear point (since kephart is basically a particular type of spear point).
>>777516
bretty gud. Not sure how I feel about the handle though - a little too agressive for my taste.
>>777511
I don't want to pay 200 euros for a knife. Not that mad yet. Minimal salary in my country is around 600 euros.
>>777535
DESU - you don't need to spend much more than ~50 euro. Above that, you pay a lot more to get something nicer, which is the way most knife nuts roll, but you'll be perfectly fine with a condor bushlore or something similar.
IIRC, there are people on both seasons of alone using Condors (Alan won season 1 with their kukri, Randy is using the primitive this season) - no shame in using a cheaper, perfectly serviceable knife.
>>777523
if you abbreviate pm101's name, im forced to assume you know the bare minimum of knife usage. do you know how big the knife industry is
Anyone got any experience with TOPS knives? Was thinking about getting the bird and trout knife.
The Gerber LMF II Infantry is a fantastic knife that you can TRULY abuse. I broke it. In a really funny way.
You can slam the blade into concrete and nothing will ever happen to it. Truly a heavy duty knife but the spike on the end which is meant to destroy electrical things is the reason why it failed. The knife is not full tang. The tang stops halfway through the handle, then there is a plastic piece that doesn't conduct electricity and then connects to the end pointed piece. This prevents you from electricuting yourself. I dropped the knife and the tang broke at the plastic inner part. Could still use the knife but if I wanted to I could probably pull off the end spike. Gerber sent me a free replacement knife of my choosing, I got a diver's knife the next time.
Overall a 7/10 knife
>>777546
the industry is huge. Blade Show don't run itself. Hell - One look at our local knife forums, and there are 50 subforums just for the custom knifemakers. And I haven't even touched the "popular (international) brands".
Then again, the tracker was on the cover of blade magazine when The Hunted came out, so this should say something about which way the industry turns.
>>777551
In terms of quality, afaik, tops uses Rowen manufacturing (same guys that make esee knives), so it's good.
They have a bajillion of tinfoil hat level crazy designs. The bird and trout looks solid, but that price ($140 listed on tops' website, probably - hopefully - less on bladehq or whatever).
>>777562
That's one of the things I like about them is all the design's they have. Yeah, I found it for a lot cheaper then 140.
>>777562
yea, it sells recycled steel to fucking morons that collect it. china hasnt been so happy about anything more than american knife collectors. buy shit steel for cheap and sell it to deadheads for antique prices
>>777601
are you seriously suggesting that all knives are made from shit chinese steel?
>>777616
oh no you are right, you are using adamantium
>>777621
sarcasm aside - that's just poor trolling. Or are you one of those "all knives cost $13 to make, so if you pay more than 20 bucks, you are retarded" people?
>>777635
lmfao, 13 dollars to make. thanks for showing yourself
>>777648
wut?
I seem to recall a poster who claimed that a knife cost around that much to make, so anyone who charged more was ripping people off.
>>777512
Pointy
>>777489
>the glock knife is the knife that basically coined the term, sharpened prybar
It doesn't even fit the definition, its a bayonet
The term sharpened prybar came out when knives like beckers and striders became popular, it is referring to big thick full tang knives
The glock knife might be tough enough to be used as a prybar and is about equally sharp but it wasn't even on the map when sharpened prybars came about
RTAK II
Its god tier
>>777744
Yeah, certainly sounds like that guy.
I just drunk impulse bought a spyderco techno for $250 cad at a mall
I do not even need a knife
the guy was a good salesman
I already cut myself
first knife and its only function will be to sit in my pocket
What can I use this knife for when backpacking?
collecting tinder?
>>778132
Bitching about it on here is about the extent of its usefullness
>>778136
I assumed that is the whole point of knives.
like, fun to own, but really they are pretty useless aside from making cutting something of something
funny how every single knife review is positive.
It is like people spend money on it and are like, "y-ya I t-totally made a good choice guys 9/10 knife guys"
It is fun to feel primal
muh stabbing device
>>778142
>but really they are pretty useless aside from making cutting something of something
>Binoculars - pretty useless aside from seeing something a long way away
>Bicycle - pretty useless aside from being able to ride it
>>778149
what am I cutting
give me a scenario that I will encounter on a 2 day backpacking mountain hike
wait a second... that is it? knives are just there to cut things... never thought of it that way
>get knife
>cut things
mind blown
>>778150
>what am I cutting
No idea anon, I am not you
>give me a scenario that I will encounter on a 2 day backpacking mountain hike
As above but in general things like knives/multitools/first aid gear aren't about definites in a hike like that but potentials.
>There are people on /out/ that don't make there own knives
I make mine out of used brush hog blades and hardwood I cut every fall. I don't make them with guard s because I don't see the point, it's not like I'm stabbing things to death
Bumps
>3.5" Cru Forge V blade at 61hrc
>.100" thick with a distal taper, 8.5" total length
>about .005" behind the edge with a 15dps bevel
Surprisingly light for an 8.5" knife, one day I'll have to weigh it.
>>777489
Are you paid by Glock to say this?
What is up with everyone saying how amazing it is?
IT IS SHIT! IT DOES NOT CUT FOR SHIT!
The Glock knife is incredibly bad, it doesnt cut and the geometry is shit.
It is also overpriced, armies get them from 8 to 12 $ each.
there is only one knife i ever needed.
k110 steel
full tang
leather sheath
perfection
bought one of these, cant wait to go backpacking.
>>777551
get the little roughneck instead.
greath neck knife for diving.
and you wont be able to break it.
TCC means total card cut before dulling, meausured in mm.
http://www.cliffstamp.com/knives/reviews/CATRA.html
>>777512
tanto master race here.
>>777777
>>778351
Nutnfancy has three of them I think.
>>778355
This looks like a Chinese knockoff of what is probably a decent knife.
>>778364
And I have two, so what?
They're still shitty overpriced knives.
>>777551
ESEE has better designs and sheaths.
TOPS is a hit or miss and sheaths suck.
Both are overpriced
>>778385
>shitty
No they are not. Glock makes the most reliable pistol on the planet. They have no problem also making reliable knife. Have fun with your 150 dollar chinkshit while I get all the bitches with my Austrian technology.
>>777556
shit knife, shit steel. Also the pummel is not even attached to the tang.
Only poor fags and ppl who have no real experience with good blades, think gerber is good.
>>778385
over priced? Niggah, you're dumb as fuck.
What's your opinion on Ganzo folding knives?
I already have an Opinel and a RAT 1 for myself but I need something disposable to lend to my friends.
>>778357
I was looking at that one but would go with the sparrow hawks if I went with a small compact knife for processing small game a doing little tasks around camp.
>>778386
What's the most you would pay for a good knife if they are over priced?
>>778389
>reliable pistol
there's your problem. I have nothing against glock pistols, but leave knifemaking to knife makers.
Pistol design and knife design are worlds apart.
>>777483
My man.
When I don't have my box cutter, pic related is my go to knife. Best knife I have ever used.
>>778616
Please stop being retarded. If they have knowledge and are able to design and make a gun you can bet your ass they can make a knife while they are sleeping. There are some badass engineers at Glock.
Can your fancy 300 dollar knife manufacturers design and make a good pistol like Glock? I don't so.
>>778391
1) Amazing knife
2) The edge is fucking great and you can murder a tree without losing it
3) So that you don't get fried when you bust the breaker box while storming a house
How retarded are you
just got this, thought I'd share because I like looking at other people's knives
>>778626
heh.
Gave me a chuckle there. You don't really believe that, right? You can't be that stupid...
>>778632
What kind of a faggot spine is that? Does it have any functions other than to be appealing to faggots?
>>778635
Point me where I was wrong. A knife is a lot more primitive tool than a gun and skills to make it are a lot less demanding than for a gun. If a guy has a sufficient knowledge about metallurgy to produce a gun you can bet your ass he can make a good knife.
>>778638
Whit what are you going to strike a firesteel with?
>>778638
I simply asked you a question bro.
>>778639
Thanks for being nice about it. That's a very reasonable preference.
>>778642
YOU <= here's where you are wrong. All of it. Producing a gun has nothing to do with metallurgy, for one. Second, the complexity of the tool has nothing to do with it - a good knife needs a good profile, geometry, handle, and that's just the major things.
Comparing the glock knife design to any first class bushcraft design, the glock is just a third-rate wannabe gadget for kids.
>>778654
4chan is not a very friendly place.
>>778657
lol
>Producing a gun has nothing to do with metallurgy
Nigga what are you on?
>>778657
Kek
I'm not a gunfag or knoife collector but your argument is totallt fucked up.
I think you should go try to design and build a gun and then do all the testing yourself.
>>778663
Glock is most reliable pistol. It's AK-47 of handguns.
Even if it's triple it's still affordable compared to other 150+ dollar knives with name of some "survivalist".
>>778661
oh, right. Forgot that glock slides are folded 1000 times and triple quenched damascus.
>>778667
>he thinks folding steel is harder than making a glock
>>778665
it's obvious. Metallurgy hasn't been the focus of gun design since the latter half of 19th century.
Once you can produce steel of sufficient quality to make .44 caliber guns smaller than Colt Walker, you're good.
Or are you suggesting we make guns out of elmax or something?
Designing a machine with multiple moving parts is worlds apart from designing a good cutting tool, that is functional enough to compete with the best.
>>778666
ok, Satan. Name those "other 150 dollar knives with some survivalist's name on them"
>>778431
I would look for clearance prices.
I can pay a hundred for an ESEE or around that, but not two hundred for some 1095.
Most reputable big knife stores have clearance sales.
You can also look for good deals on different forums, some are from collectors and have never been used.
You idiots. Buy Esee. Buy Ontario. Buy Mora. Buy custom made knives that are solid deals.
Can we please
Please
Please
Pleeeeease end the debate
If you MUST choose different brands buy Kabar or Gerber
Fuck
>>778431
Not that anon but I feel like ~$75 is the most I would pay for a good knife with good steel. Any more than that is just paying for a name or being a knife collector who never uses these tools to their potebtial and owns them solely to strop and take pictures of.
<$50 is a price point where I feel much more comfortable using it in risky situations. And you can get a handful of nice fixed blades and folders in the $30-$40 price range
>>778679
calm thine tits, squire.
it's obvious people have their favourite brands. But it's fucking annoying when idiots with no experience come on preaching their silly theories.
>>778673
It's different than making a knife, but steel is important when you get into automatic weapons that are going to be heated and cooled very quicky thousands of times over their life.
>>778682
Sounds like the budget of a car camper.
People that go /out/ often or do it as a job requite gear that is high quality and this often means a 200 dollar knife and 500 dollar boots. Simply due to the fact that no cheaper version of what is required is available.
>>778682
I take issue with some of that.
I'll grant you, that you can get solid, last-a-lifetime knives for around 75 bucks, and diminishing returns hit pretty hard above $100 (in other words, you are paying a lot more, for a negligible increase in performance, or just to feel special carrying "that one knife", or to get a custom knife that few other people have, and get all the ooh!s and aah!s that go with it).
However, buying cheap knives so you can abuse them and save your expensive knives is just a sign of ignorance. Unless we're talking about really shit jobs, like using the knife as a substitute shovel - I'd feel a lot more comfortable using my $200 knives for demanding work (within reason), than going for a 30 dollar one to avoid risking the "good one".
>>778685
people that are out as a job dont require a knife
>>778722
When you say this you refer to only 30% of /out/ jobs.
>>778676
Where do you guys shop? The site I use has almost all esee knives for $70-$140. I plan on getting the 4 and it's under $100.
>>778757
Yurop
:(
Still, 70 is way too much for a memezula or a memediru
>>778733
self employing yourself as a bushman isnt an out job
>>778770
>implying you cant clear 100k spending 6-9 months in the woods solo
Hey, dumb people are dumb I guess. Good business me make money on losing markets. You arent one of them and your negativity proves it.
>>778780
Business men**
>>778722
uhm... yo. I'm a rescue climber with a forestry company. Pants, £160, boots £200 (chainsaw protective, fire and abraison proof, dogshit resitant etc) rescue knife is part of my kit, and depending on what kit I grab maxiumum is £100 knife. So, yeah, i really need a knoife on hand if i'm getting an entagled casualty out of ropes and into a lowering system, but I can do my job as well with a £30 bearclaw as a £300 fandangled hardox doomslayer.
Just bought this as my first edc knife. Congratulate me.
>>778657
>Producing a gun has nothing to do with metallurgy
Fuck yourself with one of those ridged honey dipper things.
>>778780
with a knife you didnt
>>778798
Grats! That's my EDC. I got it in the 1990's and it's still doing well.
I got a new Benchmade 730 ares today
Has anyone ever used any of Khukuri House's bowie knives? They look like excellent beater knives and I love how transparent they are with their specs, but they're so fucking heavy. I refuse to believe that a 10 inch bowie can be over 2lbs.
>>778928
could be.
pic related is 660 grams (23 ounces) even. Not much more to get 2 lbs.
>>778645
>implying that knife would have a problem
>>777442
Never bought a knife outside of a sak years ago. I would like a good pocket knife for around 20-30$. What would you guys recomend?
>>779342
What do you want to use it for?
>That should be the motto of gear advice threads
>>779350
General outdoors use mostly, but it would be nice if it can be used for self defense.
>>779358
get a fixed blade
i edc a bkt d'eskabar in a homemade kydex on my beld.
>>778808
Denial
>>778689
I'm the anon you responded to, and that all makes sense. Only thing I would say is a lot of $40-$50 knives should still be a good tool. I'm not saying I would carry a $100 knife and a $40 knife as a beater, but rather a $40 knife should get the job done. That's not exactly cheap for a small chunk of steel. And I still can't think of many situations where a $80 knife wouldn't do the job of a similar $200 knife made by some custom knifemaker.
>>778685
Knife collector detected
I just feel like when you go past $100, especially $150, you really aren't getting shit for the extra money and are better off just buying an Esee or Ka Bar for $75.
>>779481
Wrong.
>>779485
Very thorough rebuttle
>>779492
No one needs to argue with your dumb ass, youre wrong plain and simple. Congrats on being another buttflustered autist who cant understand knives. Something so,simple, and you just cant grasp it.
Fuck yourself anon.
>>779499
Knife collectors sure do get angry when they realize a $15 Mora will do exactly the same thing as their $250 knife with a dragon engraved on the blade.
>>779500
>thinking a blade with a dragon on it would do what a mora does
Yeah, you're wrong.
>>779500
You sure do make yourself sound silly, horses for courses. A mora makes a half decent utility and whittling knife but a pretty bad kitchen or game dressing knife.
>>779503
You're right, the Mora probably won't pull as many Juggalettes
>>779505
What a specimen
>>779504
So make a reasonable argument for why your $300 custom knife made by some guy normies have never heard of does a better job innawoods than a $75 Esee.
I understand you're a knife collector and you come to /out/ because /k/ shits on you, but don't claim to be some survivalist and make it sound like you need the most expensive titanium alloy knife on the market to reliably cut up kindling for a fire or skin a rabbit.
>>779508
You think of 3 days in the woods
I think of 3 months
I don't have the chance to run to Cabela's when my shit doesn't work.
You do.
>>779512
Better make sure those bears and boars can see the knifemaker's name engraved on the blade then.
>>779508
Which esee are we talking about?
That's a pretty bad example, since only the new esee 3hm and the rb3 can reasonably compete with something like that bushcrafter in OP, and you won't get those for $75.
It's a question of design, though, not manufacturer. And speaking of both, you can get a bushcrafter HC (without sheath) for 75 bucks, and that would certainly compete.
When you buy a $200+ knife, mostly you are paying to get something relatively few people have. Also - you get high quality, which not all cheap knives have.
that said - no one actually needs a knife that expensive. I'm fortunate enough to have them, so that's what I use.
>>779508
I don't own a $300 knife so I can't help you there, I am also a denizen of /k/, like a large portion of /out/. As far as a survivalist goes, hardly, nearly all my out time is spent hunting, most of my knives are used to this end, hence my mora getting used very infrequently, nor would an Esee serve me particularly well in this regard, except maybe a JG3, my favourite knife is one I made which cost me about 80aud finished but all of this is beside the point - you not understanding something changes nothing about the subject but your constant chatter on the topic does confirm something.
>>779521
This makes sense
>>779523
This doesn't make any sense at all as far as trying to argue the point either way. It is just banter which leads to you talking about the knife you made.
Any of the reasonable arguments that have any substance all lead to the same thing- you don't get much more utility from a knife when you get beyond a certain price point. And that seems to be around $100 (USD) after doing some research.
>>779529
>as far as trying to argue the point either way
I'm not trying to argue a point, simply because you're not looking to learn anything, simply
>banter
I was informing you your banter makes you appear an ass, whether or not you are one I wouldn't know but going off what you've posted in this thread, that's where I would lump you. The rest of my post was merely an attempt to correct a whole lot of assumptions you'd made.
>>779534
I'm never going to learn or change my mind if you don't post a compelling argument for why anybody would NEED a $200-$300 knife.
>>779535
>inb4 titanium scuba knife
>>779535
As I said, you're not looking to learn or change your mind, this is abundantly clear and it's not anybody elses job to do it for you, you're simply setting lines in the water and seeing what you pull up.
>>779539
Why not just try and post an argument for the $300 knife for the anon who is wondering if it is really worth it?
Not for me, because I'm obviously unwilling to learn. But for the anon lurking who isn't sure what to buy.
>>779541
Spend a month /out/ with an esee and you'll find out why
>>779529
>$100 USD
Fucking knife fags.
The Condor Stratos is an AWESOME knife for ~$55 USD!
>>779541
If he's either wondering or unsure then he shouldn't.
>>778627
>gerber blade
>harder than lead
no
>>779546
Doesn't sound like anybody should do it unless they are incredibly picky and need a special handle for their fragile feminine hands and have an excess of money to waste since they don't have to pay rent living in their mom's basement.
>>779561
see
>>779539
>you're simply setting lines in the water and seeing what you pull up.
2/10 anon
>>777442
For all u niggers
>>779566
Nobody has made an argument for the purchase of them so I see no reason to waste the extra $150+
>>779570
That much is obvious but you feel the need to keep banging on about it.
>>779562
Are my knives shit?
>>779574
No, that filleting knife looks perfect for fish, does it float and is it 12c27?
>>779575
It's pretty light so I think it floats, and what's 12c27?
>>779581
Steel type, it looks like a Marttinni or somesuch so it's probably 12c27 or some form of Inox, unless it's a carbon steel?
>>779581
Never mind I just Googled it
Is a Bowie knife a good edc?
>>779588
Do you often have to stab homeless people on your daily commute?
I personally EDC a sword, but I suppose a bowie would work if your hobos and crackheads aren't quite as aggressive.
>>779601
Since there is a dragon head on this knife, that means it can be used as a fire starter?
>>779606
Yes, but make sure you do it properly
>>779612
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>779868
SERE instrutctors do this
It's more common than you know.
>Really want a Svord
>Can't afford a Svord
Someday, I guess.
>>777442
>>780142
the ax isn't the greatest splitter in the world. But its a phenomenal hunting ax.
>>780143
As in throwing or limb lopping/joint splitting?
>>780145
limb chopping, joint splitting, and skinning.
>>780146
Yeah, fair enough
>>780142
A VTR. I have a huge nerd boner for clip point knives because they're pretty much the reincarnation of the broken back seax and that VTR looks a hell of a lot like one.
I made my first kydex sheath today and didn't realize until I was almost done that I put the knife in backwards (and a little tilted)
>>780221
Shit, wrong picture lol. I'm just fucking everything up.
Here's most my knife collection I know most of you will say where's the fixed blades?! I have a few I didn't get in the picture but yeah I mostly collect/use folders
>>780231
Here's another pic but I added a yojimbo 2/bm 730 to the collection
Guy who asked about a glock here. What do you think about Marttiini full tang knife for bushcraft and survival? If you were a poorfag would you pay 65.50 euros for it and trust in it? here's a link http://slovarms.si/si/lovska-oprema/no/marttini/noz-marttini-fill-tang.html
here's a video some guy made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cPeJ-U0-ss
What do you think? Would you trust it more than Glock or Gerber?
>>780265
Eh... I dunno. Maybe I'm just biased because of how it looks but the overwhelming impression I get is "cheap stainless steel steak knife".
Schrade Bushcraft (Micarta) any good?
Have the chance to get one for $50, which is about 1/2 price where I live.
I carry a KABAR GI when /out/ (all I've used for 10 years now), but I figured some variety would be nice.
Not much selection at my local store (it's a GP store).
>>777512
Scandi grind, straight back. 10/10
>>779499
>buttflustered autist
>oh look I'm talking to a mirror
>>777483
can I baton with this
i need a new hunting/utility/bushcraft fixed blade.
looking for drop point blade
really good edge retention.
full tang
striking surface on the handle
lanyard hole
micarta or g10 scales (no wood)
scales should be detachable
pointy tip good for killing game(spinal chord cut)
no sharpend spine false edge on the tip ok
max. 12cm blade lenth
nice sheath, leather or kydex
no saw on spine or other tacticool shit
NO TANTO
easy to clean.
no shitty handle profiles like pic related.
was about to buy an esee 4, but my hands are too big to fit the handle and i dont like 1095 that much.
>>779512
Ooh watch out, bismuth comin through
>>779523
You're basically full of shit, son. The other anon is making a sensible point and you're just trying to justify your own purchases.
Letitgo.mp3
>>780313
Assuming you are German, hier:
http://www.outdoormesser.de/Ka-Bar-BK16-Short-Dro-Point
Nearly ticks all the all the cases.
1095 Cro van. Won't rust on you that easily and is even better than regular 1095.
>>780311
>>780314
>>780316
So you needed 24 hours to re-bait your lines? Go be a samefag elsewhere.
>>780327
Low quality newfag
>>780327
Nope, I'm anon from yesterday trying to get somebody to give me a reasonable argument for why it's worth buying a $300 knife.
Suprisingly enough, more than one person believes a tool will function the same whether it was $100 from a reputable company or $300 from some guy I have never heard of.
Poor Slovenian Glock guy here. I've decided to fuck marttiini and Gerber overpriced pieces of shit and go with the glock knife. I already have a Mora light my fire combo for fine work and edge retention so I need a cheap and reliable heavy duty knife and glock will fill that role quite well I think.
>>780473
You couldn't be stupider
>>780568
>tfw he still doesn't give an argument for his stance on the issue
>>780570
I'm not gonna read all those comments
What are you fags arguing about?
>>780584
The difference between a $300 and $100 dollar knife. That's literally it
>>780584
tl;dr:
I (as well as many other anons) say that a $100 knife should do everything you need it to do. Once you get above a certain price point, you aren't getting much more for all the extra money.
This is a tool, not a fashion statement.
And the one anon refuse to post a single argument for why the average sc/out/ should drop $300 on a knife. If collecting knives is your hobby, that's cool. But don't claim you can cut up kindling with your custom knife than a $90 knife from a larger company that uses good steel and had great QC.
Guys! I found the deal of the century!
CRKT M16 knifes for $3!
Newfag here, what's a good wooden hilt knife that doesn't look retarded?
Function over fashion, but make sure it isn't too stupid looking.
>>780628
>Once you get above a certain price point, you aren't getting much more for all the extra money.
diminishing returns in a nutshell.
You get "classy" designs, exotic materials and meticulous (bordering on obsessive) fit and finish.
And a degree of exclusivity - case in point - the picture in OP.
TL:DR
there's a huge quality gap between cheap knives, and good knives, and a huge price gap between good knives, and slightly better knives.
A good formula for how much you should spend on a knife is whatever makes you 100% confident of the quality + whatever makes you feel better about having said knife.
No point in complicating it further.
>>780639
the one in OP look good for you? similar style you can get from helle (stick tang and full tang alike), condor bushlore, bhk, bark river, and a myriad other makers.
Also Ahti.
>>780628
You sad little man
>>780628
Well I'd say knives in general are ridiculously overpriced nowadays.
I believe you do get an extra on more expensive knives but only handmade or custom ones.
Expensive production knives may have perfect fit and finish, but that's about it.
Also, most knife users will not notice big differences in steels and the steel will not matter much if the knife is of considerable quality.
And there's no inherent law by which a steep increase in price is reflected in a steep increase in quality.
I own 700$ knives and I own 20$ knives. It's all about design, ergonomics and geometry.
>t. collector fag
Thoughts on ELMAX steel? Just bought pic related
>>780783
Apparently above average just for cutting.
Honestly it's always more the grind and geometry than the steel.
Also the performance of the steel will depend on who makes it and who grinds it and how.
>>780803
Samurai
Anyone have an experiences with Schrade? Are they generally good well made sturdy knives?
![20150224_160723[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SFTwDj4.jpg "20150224_160723[2].jpg")
My main knives. I also keep a Mora Bushcraft Black in my BoB and daily carry bag. Have tons of Swiss Army Knives.
>>780234
That Dejavoo makes my dick hurt
What is this?
>>781011
A sharpening stone or strop, I'm assuming.
>>780633
the m16 is one of the worst blades i ever bought.
>>780997
Whys that? Weak detent mess u up?
>>781040
Agreed and those aren't even m16s
>>780234
How's the Knockout?
>>780841
That a pathfinder? Good taste anon.
>>781065
Priapism combined with regret due to not buying one when they were available
So are the Tom brown trackers worth anything? My dad has had one and uses it regularly while camping, says it gets everything he wants done. Just wondering because that's a 200$ purchase and I'd like to know some other opinions before buying it.
>>781144
Is this the thing you're talking about? Surely this post must be bait. Holy fucking shit I have never seen a memier, more disgusting knife in my life. I'd rather cut stuff with a blunt kitchen knife.
>>780791
>more the grind and geometry
Goes without saying, broheim.
I'm not usually into the 'super' steels, I don't see the point of some of them - M390 for example which is so abrasion resistant it makes sharpening a laborious task. ELMAX, however, seems the best of both worlds - enough Chromium to make it a decent stainless but other characteristics closer to a Carbon steel.
>>781146
Yeah would not buy.
>2'' of shitty serrations on the back
>different grinds and weird grind line to ensure it's a pain in the ass to sharpen
>too short to be a decent chopper
>too expensive for what it is
>'only' 1095 steel
>coated blade
>basic (and ugly) sheath
Not my style.
>>781144
If you have 200$ you could buy two decent knives specialised in different tasks rather than trying to get a jack of all trades. IMO a 'slicey' pocket knife and a 'chopper' fixed knife is a good combo.
Altho pic related tracker is sexy IMO
>>779508
People wont admit that they fell victim to marketing lol.
I've seen lots of knives, which were used to their full extent over the course of 40 years.
They are mostly wielded by craftsmen.
It starts with "I need a knife"
They go to a utility store and buy a knife.
I've seen Linders, Herbertz and now moras all over construction sites.
These knives cost around 15 bucks and people went to hell and back with them.
>>777483
>>778619
These two guys really use their knives as tool for example.
Cutter guy thought: I need something to cut film and plastic straps.
The other knife is dirt cheap chinese "shit", but still it holds up.
Steels are so good nowadays that you don't need to sharpen them for months, even the something like 8cr13mov. They all retain workables edges for ages.
The nutnfancy tier guys like this one >>779512 seemingly want to be able to shave with their knife after using it for 3 weeks.
The U.S were colonized using horribly tempered OKC style carbon steel blades. Vikings mostly didn't even know what tempering is and used their knives like another limb.
This 100 $ piece withstands stuff that a knife would never have to go through and passes with flying colors.
https://youtu.be/pMKN4uH-mmo?t=11m9s
There are tons of destruction and hard use tests that show how robust a dirt cheap knife can be.
This one costs fucking 6 € in Germany and surpasses every requirement a knife in general should have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m1EjwdKpx8
Any opinions on Scorpion Swords & Knives? I was looking at their American Bowie and Wolf Fang smatchet model in particular and they look very nice, with pretty fair prices for them being handmade. Pic related
I've been using one of these for a while now, never for skinning though funnily enough.
>>781144
It's a meme knife.
Not worth it at all.
Also if you fall for the meme at least don't buy a TOPS, buy the original Beck.
>>781152
>broheim
Hank pls.
>>781207
Completely impractical
>>781223
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but there's nothing impractical about a classic bowie design.
>>781242
That's not a classic bowie.
>extended and fragile clip point
>sharpened false edge
>blood groove
>wasted blade at handle (rather than extending the blade to the bolster or having a choil)
Pic related is an actual utilitarian bowie design
That knife wouldn't be so bad apart from that horrendous tip
>>781259
Bowie knives were always meme knives, faggot.
Nobody used large knives until some britfags started manufacturing "Jim Bowie's knife" and selling it en masse.
Also Svord is shit and that knife is a shit design.
>>781299
Bowie knives were fighting knives. Using them for /out/ tasks is like commuting in a muscle car - not suited to task but ENJOYABLE
Big knives are actually way less common here in britbongland due to perceived threat. Most common fixed knife is the bushlore style by far.
And very rich calling me a faggot and not liking svord. Good steel, good blade geom, good handle material, good sheath, yeah I can see why they're 'shit'
>>781307
>Good steel, good blade geom, good handle material, good sheath,
This
>>778356
I've got one that was my dads from the 80's, it's a complete piece of shit.... that I've used every time I go out and it's still working great, I want to hate it but it won't let me.
>>781011
Arkansas oil stone, every carpenter worth his salt had one back in the day, the box to hold it would have been made by the apprentice carpenter as part of his training, probably one of the very first things he would have done, that is why they are often a bit rough to look at (the boxes that is, not the stone).
>>777442
how are ben hogans? ive been wanting to get one for a while
>>781307
Nobody fought with knives. They had guns and even sabers.
Svord is overpriced shit. Fit and finish is terrible and random. Pics never represent what you get. Quality control fails miserably and heat treat is shit. It's like they're drunk at the factory or they make them in some asian shithole.
The Von Tempsky bowie has a shit design not suited for anything. It's not a good stabber, chopper, slicer, hilt rattles, blade is cut in straight angles on the hilt, making it prone to cracking.
Handle is straight and slippery shit.
>>781311
Fuck off you know you're lying.
Took these guys camping this weekend, for being cheap shit that they are, they held up wobderfully
Can someone point me towards a good custom knife makers that is willing to make big fixed blades out of 5160, preferably differentially heat treated with non jewy prices.
>>778679
>not really outdoorsy
>tell a true outdoorsman I'll give him a ride somewhere
>he gives me a Model 1 Ontario instead of gas money
>ends up not needing a ride, lets me keep the knife.
I still use that sucker whenever I need a knife. Pretty sure the guy did a good deed to rationalize upgrading to a better knife, either way still pretty swell of him.
>>781438
Hey look, it's one of those faggots who wreck benches and tables in national parks by whamming their knives in them just to look cool
>>781438
Please kill yourself and never use public property again - you're not clearly appreciating it enough. Those benches & other structures don't get easily replaced if they get removed for being in bad shape
>>781568
Enjoying posting to yourself?
>>781179
Poorfag detected lmao
>>777442
I know i'm going to get le may may'd to death here, but in all the trips I've gone on, I've found little to no reason to carry more than my $10 mora, $30 swiss army knife, and $15 marbles hatchet.
I sharpened the hatchet edge down to be nearly as sharp as the knives, and have never had the edge roll on me. Often times I don't even bring the mora, just the swiss army and the hatchet, with the hatchet doing 95% of all my cutting.
Pic related. I've replaced the handle twice, but that's just from me being too rough with it. In the event it breaks, I have the knife as a backup.
>>781767
You could use a $2000 knife, a $600 axe and a $500 multitool. Who fucking cares who isn't an autistic weirdo.
>>781776
That's my point-- people tell you that you need to spend a lot of money to do well/have a good time innawoods. A cheap hatchet and a backup knife are pretty much all you'll ever need.
>>781430
>Nobody fought with knives
Please tell me you're just b8ing and don't actually believe this.
>>781430
Yeah f&f will never be perfect, that's the nature of handmade products but people buy Condor priced Svords and wonder why they're finished like a Condor. The grind geometry and design of most Svord hunting and fishing knives are excellent, particularly once you get out of the entry level priced range and L6 is a nice steel, I'd pick it over 56-57hrc 1095 like most production knives of that steel are.
As far as the Bowie goes, wouldn't know, never owned a Bowie, may not ever but that particular knife is a copy of a historic knife, have a chat to the guy who designed it decades ago if you don't like it.
>>781438
mallninja knives and ruining other peoples shit, a classic combination
>>781767
good for you actually using common sense and the proper tool
>>781146
Oooh, so edgy. Made you feel good?
I've never seen s memier, more dosgusting post in my life. I'd rather read 50 shades of grey.
Get over yourself. The "tracker is a meme" is a meme. It's a functional knife. Doesn't make it any less ridiculous, though. See below.
>>781144
The tracker is big, and heavy (550 grams even) - and for all ghat weight, it doesn't do anything a "normal" knife wouldn't do (except chopping limbs, but you're better off getting a kukti for that).
You won't do any intricate carving with it, so you need a small knife anyway - that's why kukri comes with karda.
I use mine exclusively when i take grandma to the nearby town cemetery to tidy up a bit, and it's actually mote convenient for me to take the tracker and #yolo, ghan bring a bunch of gardening tools. And that's about it. Besides having value as a history piece (such as it is) - i'd stick to using normal knives.
>>782266
You are just as cancerous as him lol
I'm learning how to make knives via stock removal. I'd like to make a big Bowie chopping knife, but I can't find any designs that I'm in love with. Any recommendations? I'm thinking something similar to the Fitzen Tank, but a little less fedora-esque.
>>782298
So basically you can't plagiarize any design and cannot come up with one yourself, right?
why is everyone so angry in these knife threads?
>>782306
Since I'm learning, that's pretty much it. I'm finding it more helpful to work on designs that result in an effective knife, and maybe altering things in my own way as I go.
>>780804
>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles knife
>>778359
Got these two today for about $40 from Sports Authority. Yay for going out of business sales.
she spent the day opening bags of mortar mix and cutting the tips off of caulk tubes. i love her and she loves me. been that way since 2009.
![CS20NPF[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/H5PKbhj.jpg "CS20NPF[1].jpg")
Does it suck?
I know, I know
>Cold Steel
But the blade profile appeals to me, and it was only $25. I'll probably end up taking some emery cloth to the writing on the blade.
>>781098
Probably the best feeling assisted knife on the market
>>781141
LOL I see them for sale all the time for around 180$
>>783062
No but I'd get something with a better warranty like Benchmade and I recommend models like the 2550 or 710
