Why don't they just take the Ferrari F12 chassis, put a v10 in it with a stick and call it a Viper?
>pic related
>>14701023
You are right op, both are red and have 4wheel
>>14701023
That would make the viper a soul less grab for money car that starts on fire.
Its better that it wears a chysler Corp badge.
>>14701023
If they are not going to use the Viper chassis then have them design a NEW chassis from the ground up instead of using another car's chassis that already exist.
They should also stop using the Viper's name if they aren't going to make a "Viper" but rather a different car that sorta "resembles" the Viper.
Just make a Viper successor with a different name with the same goal of being the best track performer it can be instead of riding off the success of a car that no longer exist and is just a shell of its former self.
To be honest though i kinda wanted Ferrari to take a Viper chassis and engine and build a ferrari-like exterior and interior like Alfa did with the TZ3 Zagato cause that shit was hot.
>>14701023
ferrari badge cost $50,000 each and you can't buy the chassis without the badges
>>14701023
The Viper will bite you on the track. It's fine in the hands of a trained race driver, but the guys who buy a Ferrari would crash a Viper first time out on the track. That is, if they even take it to the track... most Ferrari owners just cruise on streets, but even there the Viper's chassis is too uncomfortable.
>>14701023
Badge a ferrari as a dodge... are you fucking mad?
>>14701023
Because a Ferrari can take corners unlike a Viper.
>>14702472
>Jeremy Clarkson says the F12 and numerous other Ferraris are borderline uncontrollable due to excess power
>Motortrend crew says the Viper handles like a big Miata and Pobst says it has zero bad habits, before setting a track record not even the Porsche 918 or McLaren P1 can match
Yuros on suicide watch
>>14702518
>english and americans shitting on an italian car
wew lad
who would've thought
>>14702518
>>14702472
Now son, what kind of world do you think we live in?
>>14702472
>>14702518
>>14702525
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHH
>ferraris ever being able to turn
they've always been called shit handling by anyone who isn't given free things by the Italian jews
>>14702537
>10 seconds faster
>a third the price
>won't light on fire like other Italian shit
>doesn't even need a DCT to do it
GOD BLESS AMERICA
>>14702518
>>14702537
>>14702583
> viper
> American
Nice try
>>14701023
bonnet is too short ?
>>14702537
Might want to check the data they're comparing. The Viper times were reported by Dodge, a professional driver with more time and tires - see video, the Ferrari times were reported by Car and Driver, a press driver who likely got one set of new tires and an afternoon at best.
Point being, comparing a professional driver with a crew to a press driver in a press car is apples to oranges.
>>14701023
Because Ferrari's aluminium construction would double the resale price of the Viper. It's already underpowered and overpriced in the current Dodge lineup, that'd make it worse.
>>14701709
No it won't. Secretly, the Vipe ris a big fucking pussycat, but no owner will ever readily admit that. They've got huge 345 section sticky rears, great suspension, and a lot of the track packages add aero grip on top of that. Yes, they'll have less driver aids, but both with driaver aids off, most people would crash the Ferrari, with it's peakier and higher power output.
They are a lot less comfy on the streets, agreed on that. However, that's because Ferrari uses magnetic shocks. Use those in the Viper's price segment, and it'd become squirrely under high speed driving (see: Motortrends Z06/Viper ACR comparison).
>>14702583
Now imagine how fast it'd be with a proper sequential transmission.
>>14702609
>Viper
>not American
1st gen engine block was cast with help from Lambo's engine design department, brakes are Italian, suspension is usually German, Dodge is owned by a Dutch company, but the Viper is quintessentially American, from it's chassis to it's engine layout and exterior design.
>>14702614
>implying Ferrari press cars aren't backed up by a team of professionals
>implying they don't get better-than-production engine tunes, tires, and track-specific suspension setups
Still, even a complete disparity in driver , equipment and practice time wouldn't be enough for a 10sec. difference.
>>14702614
The ACR runs none TUV tyres in all of its official tests, so it's not even road legal in most of the world, yet still slower than the 2.6 that drove to and from the ring on the same tyres it set it's lap on. Trying so hard but falling short, GM never change.
>>14702702
>TUV legal
>most of the world
No. TUV is just one local (German) certification. They had plenty of treadwear rating to comply with most global road laws, they just weren't comparable to other records.
>2.6
The Radicals had a 2.7 V8.
>GM
FCA.
>>14702702
>>14702719
>Radicals
I take it those things heavily sacrifice durability for its speed?
>pic related
>>14702719
>No. TUV is just one local (German) certification.
Nope, TUV certification is used across vast parts of the world. If you don't have it it's not road legal in many countries, it's just the TUV itself that is located in Germany.
>>14702742
No worse than the new Vette
Fiat no longer owns Ferrari
>>14701023
>put a v10 in it with a stick
sounds unnecessarily hard to me.
>>14702583
>won't light on fire
it's literally melting itself when you turn it on m8
the engine is the best bit about the Ferrari...
Compare two 2013 models
Berlinetta: 6.2L = 740bhp
Viper: 8.4L = 640bhp
Typical american crap motors, wouldnt wipe my ass with them.
>inb4 "LS SO GOOOOD" (its still crap, 5.7L to make a tiny 345hp - embarrassing)
>>14702975
Pic on the left is a 1400+HP Viper. Pic on the right is a standard 740hp Ferrari. Keep in mind, the Viper with a twinturbo kit will still be less than the F12.
>implying hp/l matters
>implying modern LS engines don't make 440 out of a 6.2
>>14702995
>>14702537
>the track car was faster on a track
>>14701023
I'm having a really hard time deciding which one is sexier of the two.
>>14702995
lol anyone can modify a car and make 1400hp, its easy - i do it for a job. But no one can do it reliably. Thats why a 1200bhp veyron needs 16 cyls, 4 turbos and a truly incredible price tag.
And yes hp/l matters big time, its a testament to how skilled the engineers who deigned the engine are, and 440bhp from a 6.2L V8 is still VERY laughable. Thats 70 hp per liter from an engine designed in 2014. Honda were getting 123hp per liter from a NA 4 cyl in the late ninetys (F20C, 243bhp). Haha just give up america.
>>14701023
You kidding? The people at Ferrari would have a fit. It'd be worse than that time BL tried to make Jaguar use the Rover v8.
>>14702518
>jeremy clarkson is a professional driver
wtf are we even discussing about, is he your god?
>>14703814
is 90% of the people who buy a supercar a racing driver? no, which makes him a perfect candidate to test these cars. Lots of experience, not much skill.
>>14702537
and yet ask anyone who has driven both of these cars around a track, which car they would have, and they will all say ferrari.
>>14702975
Let's see the Ferrari get to 100k miles without neededing tens of thousands of dollars of service. The Viper v10 is reliable and detuned so it lasts forever with regular maintenance
>>14702975
>he unironically thinks HP/litre matters
Guess which engine is going to make it to 100,000km without exploding
>>14703010
>the much cheaper track car was faster on the track
>>14702518
>Jeremy Clarkson says
post disregarded
>>14702661
>Dodge is owned by a Dutch company
>>14702702
>Dodge
>GM
I usually enter these threads for fun but this is making my head hurt
>>14704518
>implying america and build quality go hand in hand
