Stop bullying the 86
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Yes, it's not perfect, primarily with that torque dip, but why are people hating on this car? It's the most important vehicle to come out in the last decade. We're living in an age full of
>bloated, overweight designs
>ugly aesthetics
>do-everything crossovers that do nothing well
>automatic transmissions
>overpriced sports cars
>plastic engine bays that only your dealer can access for servicing
>no drivetrain variety at consumer prices
>sports cars which just chase after numbers (hp, lap times, 0-60) in a worldwide dick measuring contest
And here comes the GT86, FR-S, and BRZ
>razor sharp focus on appealing to driving enthusiasts
>sacrifices numbers to bring the fun of oversteer at safe, controllable speeds
>nice and clean aesthetics
>is selling more manuals than automatics in North America of all places
>an open engine bay that begs to be modified to your desire
>just practical enough that the average 20-something could own it as their only car
>rear wheel drive at an affordable price
This is call-back to cars like the AE86 and S13, and no more expensive when you factor inflation. This is the return of the affordable Japanese sport coupe, and people want to shit on it. Why?
/o/ is full of bench racers thats why
>>14425519
>/o/ doesn't knows shit about cars and parrots everything
Fixed that.
>>14425483
Welcome to /o/, we hate everything. Here is your complimentary basket of shit to fling
The hate on /o/ started because this board is hella poor, and the price point here tripped people into screaming that it was too expensive. As far the the actual price in terms of the real world, a base FR-S costs about 26,000. An Mr-2 in 1985 MSRP's for about 11,500...which funny enough, is about 26,000 dollars in today's money.
After that, it was troll/meme bench racing.
The car has some very legitimate faults, many of which it absolutely SHOULDN'T have, and it's future/development will never be what it should have been thanks to the co-development aspect of it's birth.
In the real world, the car was successful, and wasn't shit on. It's facing a bit of a sales slump in certain areas now, but that stems more from the lack of any gen 2 car on the horizon, and the failure of Toyota/Subaru to refine and diversify the car (STi/TRD trims, the roadster we were promised but never got)
Because for the same money I can buy a nissan 370z and not be driving a fake sports car.
>>14425559
And because for the same amount of money for a forced induction system itll handle better, and push nearly double the performance stats.
>>14425483
Because it's shit
>>14425483
Take your riced up corolla elsewhere.
>>14425483
>It's the most important vehicle to come out in the last decade.
fanboying this hard will not help you. and i drive an FR-S.
>>14425483
If it wasn't so try hard it might be worth a fuck.
>>14425587
how is the gt-86 a try hard car?
>>14425559
>>14425568
Hes got a point you know
>>14425590
Its basically a pimp my ride special on an overpriced rwd corolla.
>>14425590
>>Sub 200 hp
>Sports car
Call me when you're fast faggot-kun
>>14425483
> It's the most important vehicle to come out in the last decade. We're living in an age full of
Nope, I believe the model S has that title. 86 is nothing new. People are paying $25k for an experience that can be had in an $10k used car.
>AE86, S13
Those cars are absolute dog shit when stock. Just like the FR-S.
>>14425587
>try hard car
>fitted with skinny prius tires
>>14425559
Base model 370Z doesn't even come with an LSD despite being 3000 more than the FR-S. If you want to upgrade to the Sport, it's 6500 more. And for 6500, you could make the FR-S faster and more fun than the 370Z.
>>14425600
>pimp my ride
you think...you think a fr-s is pimp my ride styling....?
>>14425605
then why are miatas considered sports cars
>>14425606
>>14425610
>>14425483
>why are people hating on this car?
They can't afford it and it's better than the beloved Miata in almost every metric.
>>14425616
Because people are stupid and don't understand what a roadster is
>>14425610
The only reason you would buy a new car is to have that peace of mind with reliability and warranty. Why ruin that with mods?
>>14425622
>benchracing the most anti-benchracing sports cars
Eat shit
>>14425606
>implying any car stock would be really fun to drive
Bench racer located.
>>14425483
>Stop bullying the 86
>asking /o/ to stop "bullying" anything
>Yes, it's not perfect
Is any car? more importantly are there any good cars out there that deserve hate for not being a BMW or Ferrari? which are also far from perfect (especially Ferrari)
>fix it again tony
>It's the most important vehicle to come out in the last decade.
Are you shitting me? that right there could potentially make people hate the car. the most important "car" to come out in the last decade as I've observed would probably be the Tesla if anything since it created the biggest stir and made people think electric cars can be cool again and is actually getting snobby people who normally buy BMWs and Mercs to consider another brand to be an elitist about (also forcing other brands to come out with their own tesla fighting cars).
As for the most important "enthusiast" car that's another story.
>ugly aesthetics
I happen to find the aesthetics of some cars on sale today quite nice inside and out but its subjective so we could argue to the moon and back.
>automatic transmissions
a lot of cheap performance cars still come with manuals though so not really worth mentioning at this point.
>overpriced sports cars
Examples? (besides europeans which are a given)
>sports cars which just chase after numbers (hp, lap times, 0-60) in a worldwide dick measuring contest
I feel like the 86 will be doing that too in the future if there is ever a faster model and when it does you might be one of those people doing the dick measuring
>"guys lets not fight over laptimes"
>"possible 86 trim being faster than a corvette stingray or something"
>"HURR NIGGERZ MAD CUZ DEY CAN"T COMPETE WIT MUH 86!"
If the civic (type R) is getting in on the dick measuring than this car most likely will in the future too and when it does watch out for the yellow meme faces and "being this assmad" spammed to the heavens.
I like the 86 though and am glad there are more enthusiast cars but it was a little "meh" for me
>>14425611
Im saying that it's all sprinkles no cupcake ya fatty. Not suggesting it looks stylistically "pimp"
>>14425483
>people complain for 10 years that Toyota stopped making sports cars after the MR2 and Celica GTS
>people complain that they don't have a lightweight RWD to compete with the S2000, RX8, and Miata
>Toyota finally makes a lightweight RWD at a fair price
>all people do is complain
All you guys do is bitch and complain like a bunch of women on their periods. It ain't perfect but it's certainly a step in the right direction for Toyota
>>14425606
>ha look at your shitty fake sports car
>posts older shitty fake sports car
>>14425547
I am so fucking tired of reading the im poor argument. I made 70k last year, I test drove one and the dealer was offering me private party value for my trade in ($11,000) and falling over themselves with rebates. I still walked out. Frankly I wasn't impressed with the performance compared to cars I could buy used and do maintenance on for 26k. I'm not one of those half wits that thinks everything new must be good.
Pro tip: Often times a company gets something really right, then stops making it. Often the replacement is not as good. Cars are like wine, not in the sense that they get better with age, but with age some prove to be better than others.
This might come as a shock to you, but as technology progresses, it becomes cheaper to meet previous performance benchmarks. The 86 meets the performance benchmark set by the 26 year old S13, it doesn't cost 26k to do that in today's money, the ground has already been broken. Lets be honest here, the car is for guys that want to be nostalgic but don't have the guts to actually drive a 20 year old car.
The car is a failure. Only the meme-tards bought it. Nobody else is stupid enough to spend 26k on a car that makes 200hp, has no grip, looks like a shit, and has an interior out of the 90s. There is going to be one generation of this car. And just like when the fedora wearing edge lord has finished saying his piece and stormed off, when this car leaves the rest of us are going to look at each other and wonder what its deal was. Maybe we will even rejoice that the king of boring has decided to stop pushing retro bullshit down our throats and the world of sports cars can actually get on with the business of developing the next generation of sports car. The Alfa 4C is the vanguard of that.
When ultra light CRP/FRP cars become cheap enough for blue collar people to afford, the meme lords will swarm onto them, and talk them up. It is what idiots do.
>>14425651
At least the mr-s is 600lb lighter than the fr-s and has the engine in the right place.
>>14425635
Cars are fun, including stock cars. If you can't find a way to have a little fun with it that is your problem.
Some stock cars, as something you are going to drive often, offer a longer lasting novelty when compared to others. the BRZ / FR-S is entertaining for all of about 5 minutes.
>>14425673
Ill give you that. But seriously jump into a 350z and tell me that isn't a more enjoyable car. And continues to outperform the Spyder on the track day in day out.
>>14425647
It's 25 years too late. What bold move in the right direction are they going to do next, re-release the MKIII supra? Maybe if we wait around long enough they will release an updated MKIV?
By making moves as stupid as putting the 86 out they are inviting criticism they deserve, you sound like a faggot.
>Lets be honest here, the car is for guys that want to be nostalgic but don't have the guts to actually drive a 20 year old car.
I'd rather get the FR-S when all the other used car options around me are molested to shit.
>>14425670
Great post sir. I too can afford an FR-S and I even test drove one. Although I did like it and came close to getting one I really felt like I could attain something better if I saved a bit more or just spent my money on something 2-3 years old.
Right now I'm waiting for the Abarth 124, which should be a fair bit more expensive (and provide much more excitement) but hey, by the time it comes out I will be able to afford it should I choose to buy it - and if I don't... I've opened myself up to a larger portion of the used car market by then so win/win.
>>14425670
>The car is a failure
It's many things, but it isn't a failure. And I don't even like it that much
And it does offer something that is somewhat hard to find in the new car market today. And not everyone wants used, and that's perfectly fine
>>14425647
You know /o/ hates everything. The funny thing to me is that /o/ doesn't even manage to to land on the things about the car that actually deserve criticism
>>14425700
Yet they weren't criticized. despite it's shortcomings. The GT86 was extremely well received in the real world, it's sold about 20K units in the US (Scion and Subaru numbers together). It was raved about in the automotive press, and won multiple awards. /o/ is about the only place you can come and find frequent criticism
>>14425712
>Abarth 124
The amazing thing about it being a Fiat is you will be able to get one for half price 2 years after they've hit the market. The 124 might actually make me give up my 95' NA
>>14425696
I've no doubt the 350z is more fun than the MR-S, especially the 2006+ models.
>>14425720
Fix it again etc etc
I'd get this car if I knew it was going to be reliable. But it's Fiat, so it's probably going to be anything but.
>>14425483
>primarily with that torque dip
>>14425727
It's an ND Miata clone with a better body and drivetrain
Everything in it except the engine and transmission is copied from the ND Miata, it will even be made in Japan in the same factory the ND is made in.
>>14425727
Normally I'd be wary but...
>Japanese chassis
>Japanese electronics
>Build in Japan next to ND miata's
>abarth engine has been shown to be pretty reliable, and getting power out of them is pretty easy plus it sounds fucking good
>>14425715
>it isn't a failure
Yes, Yes it is.
>>14425736
whats better about body there?
All I see is bigger overhangs
the only difference is the engine and looks really
>>14425738
This man gets it
I'm 99% sold on getting one of these a year or two after they come out. Have to figure out what flavor of AMG I wanna pick up in the meantime
>>14425739
Thing A not being equal to Thing B does not equate to failure
>>14425743
Because I think the front end of the 124 is waaaayyyy better than the front of the ND Miata. I hate the squinty headlights and dopy mouth-grill combo
>>14425715
>The GT86 was extremely well received in the real world, it's sold about 20K units in the US (Scion and Subaru numbers together). It was raved about in the automotive press, and won multiple awards. /o/ is about the only place you can come and find frequent criticism
No it wasn't. Anybody that likes the car is a beginner driver and doesn't know any better, it is the same as any miata. Anybody getting excited about it is like some naive dumbass getting excited a bar is full of women with out having talked to any of them.
>muh press MUH WARDS!
I hate to shock you twice in one night, but the press is paid for. Honest responses to this car are 'I guess it's okay for something entry level'.
While we are at it, lets stop for a second and imagine what special kind of idiot would buy a "sports" car based on reviews. And that lowest common denominator is who this car was designed to please.
rekt.
>>14425747
>tfw bigger front overhang means more room for big intercooler
>>14425738
>>14425736
Neat, I'll give it a look.
>>14425483
>scion failed to deliver a decent performance vehicle
>b-b-but muh weight
All of this is irrelevant considering the frs is still a piece of shit.
>>14425670
There speaks probably the biggest retard on /o/, it has had a six month waiting list for most of it's life, and has had the industry shortest forecourt time for the last 3 years and you think that's a failure.
>>14425736
>the same
>different body & drivetrain
>>14425751
Car of the Year by Top Gear magazine (and Jeremy Clarkson) who also crowned it Coupé of the Year and winner of the Top Gear Speed Week (against competition including the McLaren MP4-12C, Porsche 911 Carrera S, and Lotus Exige S)
Best Driver's Car by Autocar
Performance Car by Auto Express.
Car of the Year award by Wheels magazine, Carsguide, and Drive (shared with Subaru BRZ)
Best Performance Car under A$60,000 and People's Choice again by Drive
People's Choice Best Performance Car under A$100,000 by Carsales (shared with Subaru BRZ).[74]
Other awards received include:
2012 Car of the Year in New Zealand (Toyota 86 and GT86)
2012 Best Affordable Sports Car by US News (Scion FR-S)
2012 Insurance Institute for Highway Safety Top Safety Pick in the US (Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ)
2013 Top Ten Best Cars by the American Car and Driver (Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ)
2012-2013 Japan Car of the Year "Special Award" (Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ).
The Subaru BRZ was also crowned:
Fun-est Car of the Year by Top Gear Australia (against the Toyota 86, BMW M135i, Porsche 911 Carrera, Audi RS5, Ford Focus ST, and Renault Megane RS265);
2012 Sports Car of the Year by France's Echappement
2013 Best Sports Car by Canada's Auto123.
>>14425767
literally just the body shell. the chassis and platform is the same as the ND Miata
>>14425483
>Yes, it's perfect, so why are people hating on this car? It's the most important vehicle to come out in the last decade. We're living in an age full of
>bloated, overweight designs
>ugly aesthetics
>do-everything crossovers that do nothing well
>automatic transmissions
>overpriced sports cars
>plastic engine bays that only your dealer can access for servicing
>no drivetrain variety at consumer prices
>sports cars which just chase after numbers (hp, lap times, 0-60) in a worldwide dick measuring contest
And here comes the Miata and Fiat Spider
>razor sharp focus on appealing to driving enthusiasts
>sacrifices numbers to bring the fun of oversteer at safe, controllable speeds
>nice and clean aesthetics
>is selling more manuals than automatics in North America of all places
>an open engine bay that begs to be modified to your desire
>just practical enough that the average 20-something could own it as their only car
>rear wheel drive at an affordable price
This is call-back to cars like the Triumph Spitfire and Lotus Elan, and no more expensive when you factor inflation. This is the return of the affordable British roadster, and people want to shit on it. Why?
Consider this a friendly reminder that the Miata is everything the FR-S was supposed to have been before Subaru retarded it all up.
>>14425483
For its price it's not a bad car. It lacks the refinement of the Miata but Mazda have been at that game for decades. If the Twins last as long it'll get better and better, worse, and then better again.
86/BRZ fanboys themselves are retarded. The drivers tend to be no better, either fuckwads on their P's who had their parents buy it or middle aged men who drive like it's laden with explosives that detonate at the slightest bump.
It's like anything nice. Attracts retards like flies to shit. Old Jap shitboxes are a little more obscure. You get the JAY DEE EMM BRO morons and FnF fanboys with perpetual boners over the R34 and MKIV Supra but less normies want a 180SX to drift into a ditch as opposed to 86 (muh dreem car, so sick bro) because it's old (though still stylish as fuck and with huge aftermarket support) and middle aged men need something fresh and sporty to pick up college girls half their age in.
Attacking the vehicle itself is the best way to set them off. It's like when you tell stancefags their car is ugly shit instead of calling them vaping fuckwits.
The Twins are just a casualty in the never-ending battle. They'll live, we'll at least see Toyota persist with them possibly with the S-FR to join the lineup. Subaru might drop it eventually because WRX sales.
>>14425799
To add to that, it's also something in the otherwise-depleted affordable new sports car market. Lets face it, we'll probably never sit in a new AMG, M, etc. and normie dream cars (Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc.) are even more absurd. Hell, if I had the money to burn I still wouldn't buy a supercar because I'd be worried about the damn thing getting keyed, shit on by birds, etc.
So we've got (within the wageslave /o/tist non-poorfag bus cuck price range) the 86 and BRZ, Miata, WRX, possibly the 370Z.
Of course there's always used alternatives available, but the whole point of the Twins is that they're new.
>>14425768
That's more than twice as many awards as the Shiata ND
>>14425846
Makes sense since the FR-S has been out over ten times as long.
>>14425768
I literally do not give a fuck. People were crowing about Obama when he got elected and look at where that got us. All those people could have told me dog shit is edible but my senses tell me otherwise. I have driven a BRZ, I was not impressed, the end.
When you grow out of your late teens you will come to realize the mass media does one of two things:
A: Tells you what you want to hear
B: Tells you what they were paid to say
Reality isn't what shills say about something, even if lots of lemmings believe it. If I put you in a cared for FD or Cayman, then you drove a BRZ afterwards, it would be clear as day to you that the car emerged from somethings asshole.
Can you tell me what kind of idiot buys a "sports" car, a drivers car, a car they drive for the feeling of it, from reviews..... or were you not provided an answer for that one?
>>14425821
>but the whole point of the Twins is that they're new.
Hi, I like to pay retard tax so I can be fashionable. Please respect my opinion.
I hope your girls strap on breaks off in your ass while you are helping her with one of her female empowerment sessions.
>>14425891
Please go back to /pol/
>wah i didn't like how the FRZ drives
Who gives a flying fuck what you think. Here you are talking down reviews while giving your own which by your logic no one should give a shit about.
Some people drove the 86 and liked it, "the end."
>inb4 those people are stupid/meme-tards/fedoras/any other flavor of the month buzzword
pic related
Cars arnt supposed to be safe. The way i can huck my beam into a wall sideways at 80 if im fuck up is what makes it fun. Life is too short to be totally safe in any part of it.
>>14425957
But im from /k/ and I take souls and like being shot at somtimes, im not too normal
>>14425912
This, if you dont own multiple aged but quick sports cars for the price of you new trash, dare i say bmw products just to stir the pot, you should probably kill yourself
>>14425912
>>14425968
say the poorfags.
>>14425912
If only normies buy new cars, then when it's poorfag enthusiasts' turn to buy them 10 years later, you're only gonna have shitty normie cars to choose from.
>>14425912
>>14425968
I meant in the context of still in production.
I can't pick up a fresh S15. My only option is used, probably imported since the Japs probably fucked it up less then the gronks who own them here. Less supply, remaining supply in varying conditions. I have to pick through the shit in hopes of a good one with the chances of that decreasing.
If I wanted to I could either buy a new one or a used 86 or BRZ, for now possibly clean. It's not a matter of "I want to be the newest, trendiest faggot on the block" as much as my lack of faith in the mechanical skills and taste of a vaping douche and his Puerto Rican friend who heard putting a can of Red Bull quadruples horsepower.
Ten, fifteen years down the track you'll be picking through "tastefully modded" shitbox BRZ/86 with their rear wheels in the grave.
>>14425547
>will never be what it should have been thanks to the co-development aspect of it's birth.
Subie broke the 86 with the Boxer...Toyota could have easily just thrown in a decent 2.4L straight four and increased the torque while at the same time making it not require premium gas and increasing reliability. Even the 2ARFE in the TC would have been a better choice.
>>14425739
Where do you generate that shit? Im really eager to see
>stop saying mean things about my car
fucking weebs
It's literally slower than a 10 year old Corolla T-sport.
Let that sink in.
>>14426555
And both would be faster than the bus, I'd imagine.
>>14426605
Mad Fr-slow fanboy spotted.
>>14425559
The 86 is not a sports car its a roadster. And the z is pigfat and slow compared to other cars in its price range
>>14427447
>86
>roadster
>>14425751
>ending your shitty strawman with a rekt
Do you like to eat your own shit or something?
Literally who gives a fuck? It's the closest thing to a hardtop miata, wither you like it or you dont. Most of /o/ hates almost every car.
>implying the 86 isnt a bloated overweight design
>implying the 86 isnt ugly as fuck
>implying the 86 doesnt come in autotragic
>implying its not overpriced for what it is
>implying there isnt tons of plastic in the engine bay
>implying there is variety in drivetrain (2 choices???)
fucking leave
>>14427447
>And the z is pigfat and slow compared to other cars in its price range
Wrong and wrong. It handles well, not as well as 30k cars built for handling and is fast in a straight line (you're deluded if you think 4.8 to 60 is slow) but not as fast in a straight line as 30-35k cars built for straight line speed.
It's a jack of all trades sports car which looks bad on paper because you can't benchrace about its handling or speed but works really well in real life.
>>14427643
To clarify it's considerably faster than comparable cars built for handling and handles considerably better than comparable cars built for speed. It's just a mid point
>>14425483
I see more women than enthusiasts driving these.
I think that says something. It's a sportscar for people who don't want to go fast but want something that looks quick to impress their pleb friends. Much like a veloster
>>14427620
2700 lbs is light for today's standards
You have shit taste if you think its ugly
How many other cars sell 50/50 manual
25k is average for a new car nowadays
Not really compared to other new cars
Drive train is a mute point, all you need is manual version and an automatic
>>14427866
I literately never see women driving them
>>14427875
seconding this
>>14427866
That's more of a V6 Mustang thing than anything
>>14425736
Where do you get your information dumbass? Go to there website and it says it uses a 1.6 turbocharged engine. That thing is going to overheat at the first stop light
>>14425976
lol keep losing those red light pulls friend. My e39 m5 and my e38 even would stomp you everytime
>>14428299
>look i got to the next light before you!!!
Wow dude you are so cool, do you race for pink slips too?
>>14428367
oh i know, and no i just get lit and fuck around. But don't pretend an frs outhandles an e39 m5 either. I could literally drift circles around you.
>>14428507
I'm not pretending anything. I just don't really give two shits what you think you can do with your beamers.
I swear bimmerfags are the biggest boyracers around.
10 years ago, when cars in its class were getting 190-HP, it would've been a must buy. Nowadays, the few cars left in its class are putting out ~300 HP. I'm sure it slides around real easily for the drift crowd, but in terms of actual performance, you can get a much faster car for the same amount of money.
>>14427447
A roadster is a 2 seater with a convertible top. An 86 has 4 seats (though the rear seats are pretty much nonfunctional and only serve to reduce insurance rates). It's a sports coupe, not a roadster or sports car.
>>14428637
Actually the 86 is a sports car, it's just not a performance car.
>>14428604
>it slides around real easily for the drift crowd
i see you
>>14428604
>you can get a much faster car for the same amount of money.
...no?
>>14428637
Coupe is a subset of car. Sports coupe is a subset of sports car.
>>14428694
According to multiple credible sources, a sports coupe is not a sports https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sports%20car
>>14428539
ok, and and thats okay too, stay mad friend ill just keeping being a fuckboy in my bimmer with my powder coated wheels
>>14428637
>>14427447
>>14427497
>>14425799
>>14425821
so many r9k buzzwords i can't handle these posts
>>14428689
>I need to have a new car
>If I don't drive a new car I feel bad about myself
>I am the retard, take my money
>>14427875
2/3rds of the ones I see are being driven by women. The other 1/3rd are evenly split between fat white fedora lords and pineapple haired FOBs
>>14425483
for its price, it does not perform, nor is it worth it.
looking over what it does, what it has and what it SHOULD have. this car should be sold with a base trim level and start at 15K
instead its filled with useless shit and costs too much, weighs too much, is too slow because of it, and in turn drove me away from the concept car that was more of a stripped down sports car.
i might pick one up when the resail value on the used versions go for 10K or less and they have nailed down a swap for a traditional inline 4 instead of this boxter mess.
I bet if Americans had P plates/license restrictions /o/ would love this car.
>>14429485
The people that hate the car are not the people it was made for, simple as that.
>/o/ consists of 12-20 year old benchracing kids who couldn't tell a turbo from a torque converter
>86 was designed to appeal to informed car enthusiasts who understand what they want in a car and driving experience
Think about it
>>14429505
>86 was designed to appeal to informed car enthusiasts
Yeah nah yeah nah mate. Most people I know who drive them are p plater trust fund babies who couldn't tell a 240z from an fb.
>>14429505
Informed car enthusiasts don't defend their choice by saying reviewers liked it.
The car is designed to appeal the memelords that think they are car enthusiasts.
>>14429083
That's literally just a concept car that Toyota has stated won't be made.
>>14429584
>>14429605
>some people i don't like drive them and therefore the car itself is bad
>>14429623
I don't think the 86 itself is bad mate - it's perfect if you want looks / rwd and want to have a bit of fun without 600hp, but I wouldn't buy it personally and am unsure whether it deserves to be called an "enthusiast car" or not.
>>14429649
It's an enthusiast's car, but whether or not they're driven by actual enthusiasts is a different matter.
Some wanna-be racer dudebro could buy one expecting a drift monster, but that doesn't mean he's the car's target demographic.
>>14429362
You must in live in the boonies or a flyover state. Try living in a major metropolitan where demand is high for used "sporty" cars and where most of the options on the market are either molested to hell and back or marked up so much it makes more financial sense to buy new.
People don't NEED new, it's just more convenient sometimes. Don't choke on those sour grapes.
>shit tier subaru boxer engine
let me know when toyota gets the balls to actually make their own sport car and not just a rebadged subaru
>>14429820
They're making a new Supra.
with bmw
>>14429829
thats even worst
>japanese performance is dead
>>14425638
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Its a good car, but you fucking faggots keep making shitty threads asking "hurr WHY this x" all the fucking time
It wasn't a bad car, but the amount of spam i see defending it makes me fucking hate its presence
>>14427881
Yeah I go to local 86 meets and of the 20 or so cars that regularly show up, there is 1 woman who owns her own FRS there, literally everyone else who drives it are men.
Honestly, wouldn't complain at all if more women drove it, it's always such a sausage fest.
>>14429770
Or the snow belt where anything more than 8 years old is a rust bucket or if it was stored during the winters and in good condition, then it's ridiculously overpriced.
Was looking at a used 350z before I bought my BRZ and a rust-free, low mileage one was going for more than 20k around here and you can't get financing on such an old car. I didn't have that much saved up and needed a car. I did find a rust bucket for 8k that needed a bunch of work that was quoted at 6k just to get it roadworthy again. At 14k, it's an easier pill to swallow but who knows what else was wrong with it.
>>14430514
>Proof BRZ owners are retarded
Holy shit nigger, you think women are actually going to show up to autistic car meets?
>>14430605
>as looking at a used 350z before I bought my BRZ and a rust-free, low mileage one was going for more than 20k around here
You can get one for 5k in the west. Don't be a bitch, buy a plane ticket and buy one. It is an adventure.
>>14427866
Same.
>women in their 20s
>women in their 40s+
>fat asian guys in their 20s
>white boy faggots in their 20s
>old dudes who are too insecure for mx5
in order of most common to least
>>14430946
hahaha nailed it. this has been my experience too.
>>14425622
>passenger volume 49
wat
also what is laptime? what track?
>>14430934
You'd be surprised, women are as interested in the social aspect as men are. At our local Corvette meets, roughly half of the cars are owned by women. The number of female twin drivers I see on the roads more or less matches what I see at the meets.
Guess this is different depending on where you live. You guys who see a lot of women drivers, are you all in the south?
